| RETROLOVE 12.02.2009 00:05 |
I ask this because of some of the lyrics or his earlier songs that he wrote ex: Mad the Swine (contents of the lyrics), Lily of the Valley etc. |
| RETROLOVE 12.02.2009 00:08 |
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| victor fleitas 12.02.2009 02:00 |
He was not a christian, but he sure was opened to the concep of that religion, maybe he believed on jesus, at least, he believe on christmas, and on the book of Jim, he said that he prayed for him when he noticed that freddie was dead, that makes me think that maybe they have already done something like that when freddie was seriously ill... well, anyways, I hope he is in heaven, if such place exist, because I intend to go there to talk to him, and maybe we can sing something together... jajaja... and, if he is in hell like he said he will be, i'll try to go visit... |
| john bodega 12.02.2009 05:31 |
He wasn't a very good one! |
| pittrek 12.02.2009 05:46 |
I was a christian at some point of his life |
| Mr Mercury 12.02.2009 06:20 |
RETROLOVE wrote: I ask this because of some of the lyrics or his earlier songs that he wrote ex: Mad the Swine (contents of the lyrics), Lily of the Valley etc. You dont have to be religious to write songs concerning stuff related to religion. |
| john bodega 12.02.2009 06:49 |
Mr Mercury wrote: You dont have to be religious to write songs concerning stuff related to religion. Exactly. Religious texts are about as useful as toilet paper as far as facts are concerned, but there's good storytelling in all of them. If you look hard enough, that is. There's usually a lot of misogyny (probably spelled that wrong) in there that you have to sift through. |
| thomasquinn 32989 12.02.2009 07:22 |
Zebonka12 wrote:Mr Mercury wrote: You dont have to be religious to write songs concerning stuff related to religion.Exactly. Religious texts are about as useful as toilet paper as far as facts are concerned, but there's good storytelling in all of them. If you look hard enough, that is. There's usually a lot of misogyny (probably spelled that wrong) in there that you have to sift through. Violence, genocide, rape, you name it. Have a look at Leviticus in the Old Testament; and then there are these far-right freaks who say the Quran is a violent book... |
| brENsKi 12.02.2009 12:45 |
RETROLOVE wrote: I ask this because of some of the lyrics or his earlier songs that he wrote ex: Mad the Swine (contents of the lyrics), Lily of the Valley etc. i've pasted the lyrics here - so that you can try explain: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "I am forever searching high and low But why does everybody tell me no Neptune of the seas Have you an answer for me please And the lily of the valley doesnt know I lie in wait with open eyes I carry on through stormy skies I follow every course My kingdom for a horse But each time I grow old Serpent of the nile Relieve me for a while And cast me from your spell and let me go Messenger from seven seas has flown To tell the king of rhye hes lost his throne Wars will never cease Is there time enough for peace But the lily of the valley doesnt know" +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ok. now i see some mythology, some Shakespeare and even some ancient Egypt...but lo and behold NO CHRISTIANITY...can someone please tell me what i missed |
| Crisstti 12.02.2009 17:17 |
brENsKi wrote:RETROLOVE wrote: I ask this because of some of the lyrics or his earlier songs that he wrote ex: Mad the Swine (contents of the lyrics), Lily of the Valley etc.i've pasted the lyrics here - so that you can try explain: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "I am forever searching high and low But why does everybody tell me no Neptune of the seas Have you an answer for me please And the lily of the valley doesnt know I lie in wait with open eyes I carry on through stormy skies I follow every course My kingdom for a horse But each time I grow old Serpent of the nile Relieve me for a while And cast me from your spell and let me go Messenger from seven seas has flown To tell the king of rhye hes lost his throne Wars will never cease Is there time enough for peace But the lily of the valley doesnt know" +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ok. now i see some mythology, some Shakespeare and even some ancient Egypt...but lo and behold NO CHRISTIANITY...can someone please tell me what i missed I don't see it either in that song. But what about Jesus and Liar... Jim did say that freddie used to pray before going to sleep, and I think Peter said that as well... And Freddie did mention God in many lyrics. Like someone said, you don't necessarily have to be a Christian to write about religion, but it seems likely... In any case, I didn't say "God" when I was an atheist... |
| redspecialusa 12.02.2009 22:58 |
RETROLOVE wrote: I ask this because of some of the lyrics or his earlier songs that he wrote ex: Mad the Swine (contents of the lyrics), Lily of the Valley etc. I think it's possible that he might have come around to the concept of accepting and believing in Christ. But will we ever really know? Not until our time comes... And as a final note...FUCK HUMANISTS. |
| redspecialusa 12.02.2009 23:00 |
redspecialusa wrote:RETROLOVE wrote: I ask this because of some of the lyrics or his earlier songs that he wrote ex: Mad the Swine (contents of the lyrics), Lily of the Valley etc.I think it's possible that he might have come around to the concept of accepting and believing in Christ. But will we ever really know? Not until our time comes... And as a final note...FUCK HUMANISTS. That's right! Fuck the ones that are more religious than most Christians or Muslims I know and don't know how to keep their fucking mouths shut and their beliefs to themselves. |
| Treasure Moment 13.02.2009 02:59 |
Organized religion is for weakminded and stupid people. |
| thomasquinn 32989 13.02.2009 06:45 |
Treasure Moment wrote: Organized religion is for weakminded and stupid people. Am I to understand from this that you've converted? To Christianity, or Islam, or what? |
| thomasquinn 32989 13.02.2009 07:08 |
redspecialusa wrote:RETROLOVE wrote: I ask this because of some of the lyrics or his earlier songs that he wrote ex: Mad the Swine (contents of the lyrics), Lily of the Valley etc.I think it's possible that he might have come around to the concept of accepting and believing in Christ. But will we ever really know? Not until our time comes... And as a final note...FUCK HUMANISTS. Oh great, a deranged fanatic. |
| Treasure Moment 13.02.2009 07:53 |
ThomasQuinn wrote:Treasure Moment wrote: Organized religion is for weakminded and stupid people.Am I to understand from this that you've converted? To Christianity, or Islam, or what? no but that fits you so wouldnt be surprised if you are a christian or muslim |
| LozIan 13.02.2009 13:50 |
Treasure Moment wrote: Organized religion is for weakminded and stupid people. So is making blanket statements that judge millions of individuals. I've no personal love for organized religion, but come ON, man. |
| Treasure Moment 13.02.2009 15:29 |
LozIan wrote:Treasure Moment wrote: Organized religion is for weakminded and stupid people.So is making blanket statements that judge millions of individuals. I've no personal love for organized religion, but come ON, man. well you have to be somewhat stupid to believe in MAN MADE fairy tales as "gods" words. Its literally like a childrens story book which doesnt make any sense at all. |
| redspecialusa 14.02.2009 21:02 |
ThomasQuinn wrote:redspecialusa wrote:Oh great, a deranged fanatic.RETROLOVE wrote: I ask this because of some of the lyrics or his earlier songs that he wrote ex: Mad the Swine (contents of the lyrics), Lily of the Valley etc.I think it's possible that he might have come around to the concept of accepting and believing in Christ. But will we ever really know? Not until our time comes... And as a final note...FUCK HUMANISTS. I'm afraid you're mistaken. I'm neither deranged, or a fanatic. Nice try though. |
| john bodega 14.02.2009 23:40 |
Secular humanism ftw. |
| thomasquinn 32989 15.02.2009 05:45 |
redspecialusa wrote:ThomasQuinn wrote:I'm afraid you're mistaken. I'm neither deranged, or a fanatic. Nice try though.redspecialusa wrote:Oh great, a deranged fanatic.RETROLOVE wrote: I ask this because of some of the lyrics or his earlier songs that he wrote ex: Mad the Swine (contents of the lyrics), Lily of the Valley etc.I think it's possible that he might have come around to the concept of accepting and believing in Christ. But will we ever really know? Not until our time comes... And as a final note...FUCK HUMANISTS. You say "come around to the concept of accepting and believing in Christ" which is the phrasing used by evangelical Christians (who stress the "accepting" part, as they consider Christ's being and divinity a fait accompli) and "fuck humanists", by which you distance yourself from the main current of secularism in this world. I call that fanaticism. |
| FriedChicken 24.03.2009 11:22 |
Crisstti wrote:brENsKi wrote:I don't see it either in that song. But what about Jesus and Liar... Jim did say that freddie used to pray before going to sleep, and I think Peter said that as well... And Freddie did mention God in many lyrics. Like someone said, you don't necessarily have to be a Christian to write about religion, but it seems likely... In any case, I didn't say "God" when I was an atheist...RETROLOVE wrote: I ask this because of some of the lyrics or his earlier songs that he wrote ex: Mad the Swine (contents of the lyrics), Lily of the Valley etc.i've pasted the lyrics here - so that you can try explain: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "I am forever searching high and low But why does everybody tell me no Neptune of the seas Have you an answer for me please And the lily of the valley doesnt know I lie in wait with open eyes I carry on through stormy skies I follow every course My kingdom for a horse But each time I grow old Serpent of the nile Relieve me for a while And cast me from your spell and let me go Messenger from seven seas has flown To tell the king of rhye hes lost his throne Wars will never cease Is there time enough for peace But the lily of the valley doesnt know" +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ok. now i see some mythology, some Shakespeare and even some ancient Egypt...but lo and behold NO CHRISTIANITY...can someone please tell me what i missed It seems as likely as Freddie believing in fairies and giants, because he wrote Ogre Battle and My Fairy King. I never had the idea that any of the Queen members where religious whatsoever. Except maybe "2nd hand" religion, as a tradition in a family. (ie. Marriage in catholic churches, because it has happened in a family for hundreds of years) |
| L-R-TIGER1994 24.03.2009 12:27 |
Rumour has it that he was in fact a jew. |
| Crisstti 24.03.2009 15:30 |
FriedChicken wrote:Crisstti wrote: I don't see it either in that song. But what about Jesus and Liar... Jim did say that freddie used to pray before going to sleep, and I think Peter said that as well... And Freddie did mention God in many lyrics. Like someone said, you don't necessarily have to be a Christian to write about religion, but it seems likely... In any case, I didn't say "God" when I was an atheist...It seems as likely as Freddie believing in fairies and giants, because he wrote Ogre Battle and My Fairy King. I never had the idea that any of the Queen members where religious whatsoever. Except maybe "2nd hand" religion, as a tradition in a family. (ie. Marriage in catholic churches, because it has happened in a family for hundreds of years) But you are ignoring the other arguments: the fact that friends of his have said he would pray, and he would say "God bless you" at concerts. |
| lalaalalaa 24.03.2009 16:44 |
What about the song All God's People? and John Deacon's My Life Has Been Saved? christianity links? |
| A_WintersTale 25.03.2009 06:37 |
People, apart from the fact that we will never know for sure, there are two points which we overlooked in this topic. 1) Freddie was in a Catholic School. I agree "Mad the Swine" is a gospel song with sheer Christian text. "Jesus" - no comment and last but not least "Beelzebob" is a character from Christian religion and not from muselim or any other. However point 2) is more interesting to me and it really puzzles me. 2) Freddie was the god-father of Mary's eldest son! So far so good BUT... According to the christian canons - you cannot be a god-father UNLESS you are a christian yourself! That's what really makes the whole story odd! |
| Poo, again 25.03.2009 12:05 |
L-R-TIGER1994 wrote: Rumour has it that he was in fact a jew. Duh. He was rich! |
| redspecialusa 25.03.2009 12:11 |
ThomasQuinn wrote:redspecialusa wrote:You say "come around to the concept of accepting and believing in Christ" which is the phrasing used by evangelical Christians (who stress the "accepting" part, as they consider Christ's being and divinity a fait accompli) and "fuck humanists", by which you distance yourself from the main current of secularism in this world. I call that fanaticism.ThomasQuinn wrote:I'm afraid you're mistaken. I'm neither deranged, or a fanatic. Nice try though.redspecialusa wrote:Oh great, a deranged fanatic.RETROLOVE wrote: I ask this because of some of the lyrics or his earlier songs that he wrote ex: Mad the Swine (contents of the lyrics), Lily of the Valley etc.I think it's possible that he might have come around to the concept of accepting and believing in Christ. But will we ever really know? Not until our time comes... And as a final note...FUCK HUMANISTS. You're reading too much into what I said. Apparently I need to be really careful with how I word things. To clarify, although I am a Christian, my only problem w/ humanists are the ones who run their mouths and trash others; they are all retards, and they're more religious than most people I know (The 'Christians that do that, mainly fundamentalists are jokes...most believers w/ a brain realize that they're charlatans). Despite my spiritual convictions, I am diametrically opposed to 'organized religion' so I'm not a "church person." You have read too much into what I said before, I am NOT a fanatic. All due respect, you need to get out more. |
| lalaalalaa 25.03.2009 20:19 |
A_WintersTale wrote: People, apart from the fact that we will never know for sure, there are two points which we overlooked in this topic. 1) Freddie was in a Catholic School. I agree "Mad the Swine" is a gospel song with sheer Christian text. "Jesus" - no comment and last but not least "Beelzebob" is a character from Christian religion and not from muselim or any other. However point 2) is more interesting to me and it really puzzles me. 2) Freddie was the god-father of Mary's eldest son! So far so good BUT... According to the christian canons - you cannot be a god-father UNLESS you are a christian yourself! That's what really makes the whole story odd! Well if he did become christian, he obviously kept it secret from the public, but why? It's such a mystery. Of course, I always suggest emailing Brian May, but I doubt that Brian would openly talk about it when Freddie didn't |
| magicalfreddiemercury 26.03.2009 06:59 |
A_WintersTale wrote: 1) Freddie was in a Catholic School. I agree "Mad the Swine" is a gospel song with sheer Christian text. "Jesus" - no comment and last but not least "Beelzebob" is a character from Christian religion and not from muselim or any other. However point 2) is more interesting to me and it really puzzles me. 2) Freddie was the god-father of Mary's eldest son! So far so good BUT... According to the christian canons - you cannot be a god-father UNLESS you are a christian yourself! That's what really makes the whole story odd! === No offense, but neither point is all that odd or leads to proof of Freddie being christian. 1) Non-christian families send their kids to catholic school all the time. They view the religious instruction there as a way of learning about another religion, not as a means of adopting it as their own. Writing stories, articles, songs, whatever, with christian connotations proves a working knowledge of it, not necessarily an adherence to it. I'm sure our own Thomas Quinn and SirGH could write some interesting christian prose and no one can ever accuse either of them of being christian. And, again, no offense, but there's nothing very interesting about Freddie being someone's god-father. 2) I had my daughter christened by a Lutheran pastor and chose a great guy to be her god-father. Thing is... the guy is Jewish. His religion was simply a non-issue. All he had to do was say 'yes' when asked if he denounced Satan. Of course, that never would have happened in a catholic church but that's no reason to think because Freddie was someone's god-father that he was christian at some or any point in his life. |
| mike hunt 26.03.2009 11:11 |
Just because you write a song about god doesn't mean your a christian. I believe in a higher power, a god, but I don't believe in any one religion anymore. I grew up as a christian. I'm also not a part of organised religion, it's Just not my thing. I think freddie, like me, was a spiritual person, but not religious. There's a big difference. |
| Crisstti 26.03.2009 19:32 |
magicalfreddiemercury wrote:
A_WintersTale wrote:
1) Freddie was in a Catholic School. I agree "Mad the Swine" is a gospel song with sheer Christian text. "Jesus" - no comment and last but not least "Beelzebob" is a character from Christian religion and not from muselim or any other.
However point 2) is more interesting to me and it really puzzles me.
2) Freddie was the god-father of Mary's eldest son! So far so good BUT... According to the christian canons - you cannot be a god-father UNLESS you are a christian yourself! That's what really makes the whole story odd!
===
No offense, but neither point is all that odd or leads to proof of Freddie being christian.
1) Non-christian families send their kids to catholic school all the time. They view the religious instruction there as a way of learning about another religion, not as a means of adopting it as their own. Writing stories, articles, songs, whatever, with christian connotations proves a working knowledge of it, not necessarily an adherence to it. I'm sure our own Thomas Quinn and SirGH could write some interesting christian prose and no one can ever accuse either of them of being christian.
And, again, no offense, but there's nothing very interesting about Freddie being someone's god-father.
2) I had my daughter christened by a Lutheran pastor and chose a great guy to be her god-father. Thing is... the guy is Jewish. His religion was simply a non-issue. All he had to do was say 'yes' when asked if he denounced Satan. Of course, that never would have happened in a catholic church but that's no reason to think because Freddie was someone's god-father that he was christian at some or any point in his life.
1. But maybe going to a Catholic school made him feel close to that religion. Freddie's references to Christianism doesn't prove anthing, but are an indication. And no one is "accusing" Freddie of anything... :). I think that his "God bless you" at the end of concerts is a clear indication that he believed in (some kind of) God. That doesn't mean he was a Christian, though. |
| Crisstti 26.03.2009 19:33 |
mike hunt wrote: Just because you write a song about god doesn't mean your a christian. I believe in a higher power, a god, but I don't believe in any one religion anymore. I grew up as a christian. I'm also not a part of organised religion, it's Just not my thing. I think freddie, like me, was a spiritual person, but not religious. There's a big difference. Might very well be. But you can be a Christian and not be a part of an organized religion. |
| FriedChicken 27.03.2009 20:17 |
Of course not... That's the same thing as saying "You can be a cucumber without being a vegetable" |
| Saif 28.03.2009 04:42 |
FriedChicken wrote: Of course not... That's the same thing as saying "You can be a cucumber without being a vegetable" Exactly. |
| Holly2003 28.03.2009 04:58 |
Like all rock stars of note, Freddie 'Beelzebub' Mercury was a devil worshipper. |
| Crisstti 28.03.2009 14:39 |
FriedChicken wrote: Of course not... That's the same thing as saying "You can be a cucumber without being a vegetable" What about people who consider themselves Christian, but don't go to church nor anything like that?. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 28.03.2009 18:24 |
Well... there are strange people all over the world... according to the guy who set up this website - http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Rock-n-Roll/freddie_mercury.htm - our dear Freddie was certainly not a christian. An excerpt from the page - "Freddie Mercury spent weeks planning his own funeral, but failed to prepare his soul to meet God. The Word of God plainly teaches that ONLY through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ can anyone go to Heaven. Freddie Mercury placed in faith in false religion, and NOT upon Jesus Christ. This is so tragic! Read the following phrase from the above article again, "Zoroastrian priests, dressed in white muslin robes and caps, chanted traditional prayers to their god Ahura Mazda, also known as the Wise Lord, for the salvation of the singer's soul." Freddie Mercury is not in Heaven according to the Bible, he is in Hell suffering. Why? Because he was a homosexual? No! It's because Freddie Mercury did not obey the Gospel of Christ..." So... in the eyes of at least some Christians... Freddie was not one of them. :-/ |
| lalaalalaa 28.03.2009 22:43 |
magicalfreddiemercury wrote: Well... there are strange people all over the world... according to the guy who set up this website - http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Rock-n-Roll/freddie_mercury.htm - our dear Freddie was certainly not a christian. An excerpt from the page - "Freddie Mercury spent weeks planning his own funeral, but failed to prepare his soul to meet God. The Word of God plainly teaches that ONLY through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ can anyone go to Heaven. Freddie Mercury placed in faith in false religion, and NOT upon Jesus Christ. This is so tragic! Read the following phrase from the above article again, "Zoroastrian priests, dressed in white muslin robes and caps, chanted traditional prayers to their god Ahura Mazda, also known as the Wise Lord, for the salvation of the singer's soul." Freddie Mercury is not in Heaven according to the Bible, he is in Hell suffering. Why? Because he was a homosexual? No! It's because Freddie Mercury did not obey the Gospel of Christ..." So... in the eyes of at least some Christians... Freddie was not one of them. :-/ That site doesn't know anything though. They are just trying to make others look bad to get more christians. Some of the stuff on there is just wrong. |
| Crisstti 29.03.2009 00:35 |
magicalfreddiemercury wrote: Well... there are strange people all over the world... according to the guy who set up this website - http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Rock-n-Roll/freddie_mercury.htm - our dear Freddie was certainly not a christian. An excerpt from the page - "Freddie Mercury spent weeks planning his own funeral, but failed to prepare his soul to meet God. The Word of God plainly teaches that ONLY through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ can anyone go to Heaven. Freddie Mercury placed in faith in false religion, and NOT upon Jesus Christ. This is so tragic! Read the following phrase from the above article again, "Zoroastrian priests, dressed in white muslin robes and caps, chanted traditional prayers to their god Ahura Mazda, also known as the Wise Lord, for the salvation of the singer's soul." Freddie Mercury is not in Heaven according to the Bible, he is in Hell suffering. Why? Because he was a homosexual? No! It's because Freddie Mercury did not obey the Gospel of Christ..." So... in the eyes of at least some Christians... Freddie was not one of them. :-/ SO, according t them, if he would have had a Christan funeral, he would be in heaven?, it wouldn't matter that he was gay?. Interesting. |
| April 29.03.2009 16:18 |
Freddie wasn't a christian, he was just a sympathizer. Or, which is more likely, he followed some traditions as he lived in a christian country. I think he didn't pay any attention to religion, he was indifferent to it, but understanding others. |
| Micrówave 30.03.2009 15:54 |
Freddie was an Orthodox Jew. The moustache should be a clear giveaway. |