Raf 15.02.2008 17:31 |
Yup, I'm interested in doing that. Until now, I gathered the following information: - It's possible to play solos on both "E" strings, and 6-string chords (I intend to use a standard guitar, with a tune-o-matic bridge, rather than a custom-made violin-like bridge) - The guitar will waste all the hair from the bow, so I should go for something really cheap rather than an expensive one - It's possible to get all the hair replaced for new ones, but normally people pay someone to do the job - It sounds much better with distortion and delay - I can make the hair last longer by cleaning it with alcohol - I can make the bow itself last longer by loosing the strings before putting it away, in order to reduce the stress on the wood The good thing is, I found some quite cheap violin bows here in Brazil (they must be quite shitty, but I don't think I need the same thing used by people from the London Philharmonic Orchestra. ;), and also cheap hair (it's not real horse hair, though, it's artificial). Now I need to know a couple of things: - If I don't play anything really agressive, how many hours should the bow endure, roughly? If I use it, let's say, 1 hour every week, would it last at least a couple of months? - Is it too difficult to replace the hair myself? - Is there anything I can do to make it last longer? And finally... Is it (relatively) easy to make it sound good after some practice? |
john bodega 16.02.2008 10:00 |
If I say 'ask Matias', you're going to hit me aren't you? |
Haystacks Calhoun II 16.02.2008 11:01 |
Ask Jimmy Page. |
David Jones 16.02.2008 13:21 |
I was told you also have to used a shit load of resin on the bow aswell to get it to work properly. I did toy with idea myself, but I was told you'd go through alot of hair and resin doing it. So I looked at (and got) and Ebow instead! |
Glen_Greenwood 16.02.2008 17:13 |
David Jones wrote: I was told you also have to used a shit load of resin on the bow aswell to get it to work properly. I did toy with idea myself, but I was told you'd go through alot of hair and resin doing it. So I looked at (and got) and Ebow instead!YOU ARE A LEWD, CRUDE, RUDE, NUDE, OBSCENE MORON |
Crazy LittleThing 16.02.2008 23:58 |
Zebonka12 wrote: If I say 'ask Matias', you're going to hit me aren't you?Go on, Z . . . say it! |
Poo, again 17.02.2008 08:22 |
I'd consider saying it. ^ |
David Jones 17.02.2008 11:52 |
Glen_Greenwood wrote:Any constructive reason?David Jones wrote: I was told you also have to used a shit load of resin on the bow aswell to get it to work properly. I did toy with idea myself, but I was told you'd go through alot of hair and resin doing it. So I looked at (and got) and Ebow instead!YOU ARE A LEWD, CRUDE, RUDE, NUDE, OBSCENE MORON |
Raf 17.02.2008 16:28 |
Zeb: He'd probably insult me because he knows where I got the inspiration from... ;) Haystack: I wish I could! :P David Jones: Yup, I also read that even when using it with a violin you need to put lots of resin on it. I'd love to get an EBow, but I never found it anywhere in my country, and it must be pretty expensive to order one. :\ |
Micrówave 18.02.2008 11:15 |
You can get a used Ebow for around $60-70. I think it would be closer to what you're looking for. I don't know too much about violin strings, but I'm sure they're far different from guitar strings. Here's a new one: link |
Yara 18.02.2008 13:14 |
<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: Yup, I'm interested in doing that. Until now, I gathered the following information:- It's possible to play solos on both "E" strings, and 6-string chords (I intend to use a standard guitar, with a tune-o-matic bridge, rather than a custom-made violin-like bridge) Oi! Você é do Brasil, não? Posso responder em português? Meio cética a respeito dos acordes na guitarra. Acho que o arco, no caso, limitaria sua capacidade de fazer as harmonias, em vez de ampliá-la, a não ser que você treine horrores e consiga tornar o arco uma extensão do seu braço. É preciso de bastante treino. :op - The guitar will waste all the hair from the bow, so I should go for something really cheap rather than an expensive one. Sim, mas, como você está começando, nem precisa ser crina mesmo, pega um material sintético, de plástico ou nylon. - It's possible to get all the hair replaced for new ones, but normally people pay someone to do the job É possível, mas, creia-me, se o mantiver limpo, não precisará trocar com freqüência. - It sounds much better with distortion and delay É? Eu não sei, acho que os dois efeitos são suficientemente bons sem a necessidade de usar o arco (é todo um novo treinamento que você precisa fazer, e isso representa consumo de tempo que poderia dedicar ao estudo da guitarra ou até de outros instrumentos). - I can make the hair last longer by cleaning it with alcohol O arco, tem de limpá-lo diariamente. A crina (ou outro material), com álcool desnaturado/denaturado. Não é o álcool puro, nem a sua cerva na geladeira (risos), mas o composto de etanol e metileno. É normalmente este composto que se usa. - I can make the bow itself last longer by loosing the strings before putting it away, in order to reduce the stress on the wood Sim, e tente aprender - se já não sabe - a aplicar menos força às cordas através da angulação correta. É o melhor para preservar o instrumento: não castigá-lo a golpes de marreta. Risos. O arco só dura se você limpá-lo sempre, com flanela e tudo mais. Todo ele. A crina, com aquele álcool. Pode até afrouxá-la um pouco do arco quando não estiver usando-o. Mas o principal é a técnica para evitar excesso de força aplicada às cordas e, conseqüentemente, ao arco. Now I need to know a couple of things: - If I don't play anything really agressive, how many hours should the bow endure, roughly? If I use it, let's say, 1 hour every week, would it last at least a couple of months? Dura bastante, mas você precisa ter a técnica, se não tem. É possível tirar sons agressivos sem tocar de maneira agressiva: é necessário saber angular direito o braço. De resto, limpeza: limpando, dura; seja guitarra, violino ou cello. Mas a limpeza do arco tem de ser diária, e a da crina, com cuidado: pasta de dente ou algodão imersos no álcool, passando de comprido, de leve. - Is it too difficult to replace the hair myself? Não, mas, se você limpá-la direitinho, não será necessário trocá-la com tanta freqüência. ;-))) - Is there anything I can do to make it last longer? Acho que três coisas: 1) Limpar o arco bem, com flanela, pano, etc. 2) Usá-lo corretamente: você não precisa exercer muita força sobre as cordas com o arco se aprender a angular corretamente o seu braço e o arco. 3) Limpar não só a crina, mas também o arco, sempre, depois de tocar. A crina, daquele jeito lá. 4) Quando não estiver usando, afrouxe a crina. And finally... Is |
Matias Merçeauroix 18.02.2008 14:06 |
huahuahua eu sou um viado...!! |
Carol! the Musical 18.02.2008 14:57 |
<b>- Horsie Clarkson - wrote: huahuahua eu sou um viado...!!Mas isso a gente já sabia, né? xD |
Matias Merçeauroix 18.02.2008 16:54 |
mas eu agora sou mais viado do que antes ;) xD |
Raf 19.02.2008 03:57 |
Yara wrote:<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: Yup, I'm interested in doing that. Until now, I gathered the following information:- It's possible to play solos on both "E" strings, and 6-string chords (I intend to use a standard guitar, with a tune-o-matic bridge, rather than a custom-made violin-like bridge) |
Holly2003 19.02.2008 05:03 |
Here's a masterclass on how to use a violin in a guitar solo: link |
john bodega 19.02.2008 11:16 |
I used a 50 cent coin as a slide once. My reason for not using an actual slide was because I didn't want people to see what I was using for the really high notes. Counter-productive, really. |
thomasquinn 32989 20.02.2008 08:00 |
To all the eBow folks: There is very little similarity between the sound produced by one of those gadgets and a genuine violin- cello- or double-bass bow. To Raf: I don't mean to offend you, but would you please consider becoming proficient at the basics of guitar playing before hopping on? |
The Real Wizard 20.02.2008 11:23 |
Holly2003 wrote: Here's a masterclass on how to use a violin in a guitar solo: linkHaha... amazing. I never thought I'd laugh while watching a guitar solo! Now that we're on the subject of Nigel, this one is just brilliant: link |
Fopjeflauwmopje 09.03.2008 14:14 |
HEY RAFDDLJ840 IM GOING TO FUCK UP YOUR TOPICS TOO |
Raf 09.03.2008 14:37 |
Fopjeflauwmopje wrote: HEY RAFDDLJ840 IM GOING TO FUCK UP YOUR TOPICS TOOGood luck. |
Fopjeflauwmopje 09.03.2008 14:42 |
QAHGAAGGYUENFRK YOU A MAUREEN |
deleted user 09.03.2008 16:51 |
And there was me thinking it was just a case of pretending your guitar was a cello and then holding your bow aloft after making a screaming noise. Just shows how wrong I was. I blame Monsieur Page. |