| BradJarre 23.01.2008 12:48 |
Heey,This might be an stupid Question but in wich concerts did you heared overdubbs or wich concert is so badly cut that you shouldnt watch it? And on wich bootleg or concert does freddie sound the best and on wich one the worst? |
| John S Stuart 23.01.2008 12:50 |
innuendo1990 wrote: Heey,This might be an stupid Question but in wich concerts did you heared overdubbs or wich concert is so badly cut that you shouldnt watch it? And on wich bootleg or concert does freddie sound the best and on wich one the worst?As the answer to this question is subjectively (and not factually) based - the only way to discover this sort of information - is to listen first, then make your own personal choices later. |
| Freddie May 23.01.2008 15:06 |
And wicho of your post is the most stupid Innuendo1990 ? |
| BradJarre 23.01.2008 15:38 |
That must have been a while ago when i said that i was gonna leave you(you ecpect that i responded back did you?) |
| Roger Meadows Tailor 23.01.2008 16:58 |
innuendo1990 wrote: Heey,This might be an stupid Question but in wich concerts did you heared overdubbs or wich concert is so badly cut that you shouldnt watch it? And on wich bootleg or concert does freddie sound the best and on wich one the worst?They never did any overdubs on any of their official live releases. Best Freddie performance.Close between Command Performance,Houston 77 and Knebworth 86. Cant think of a bad performance. |
| earwig 23.01.2008 17:10 |
You've obviously never heard One Vision off Live Magic then?! Put some headphones on and listen to Brian... |
| Penetration_Guru 23.01.2008 18:29 |
innuendo1990 wrote: Heey,This might be an stupid Question but in wich concerts did you heared overdubbs or wich concert is so badly cut that you shouldnt watch it? And on wich bootleg or concert does freddie sound the best and on wich one the worst?Which sentence is so badly writ that you couldn't read it? |
| john bodega 23.01.2008 22:10 |
Roger Meadows Tailor wrote: They never did any overdubs on any of their official live releases.Don't spread bullshit. Either you're trying to be funny or you have no idea what you're talking about; in either case, stop it!! There are nitwits out there who will read your post and actually believe it. Compare the two versions of "One Vision" from the 2nd night at Wembley; the version off of the radio, and the one you have on your DVD. Very noticable differences. Fumbled notes by Brian were replaced, and some high notes from Freddie were added in later. |
| The Real Wizard 23.01.2008 23:44 |
Zebonka12 wrote:Stop attacking the newbies. Just because they're ignorant doesn't mean that someone more informed should feel obligated to correct them.Roger Meadows Tailor wrote: They never did any overdubs on any of their official live releases.Don't spread bullshit. Either you're trying to be funny or you have no idea what you're talking about; in either case, stop it!! There are nitwits out there who will read your post and actually believe it. Compare the two versions of "One Vision" from the 2nd night at Wembley; the version off of the radio, and the one you have on your DVD. Very noticable differences. Fumbled notes by Brian were replaced, and some high notes from Freddie were added in later. The truth is, the version of One Vision on the radio broadcast was overdubbed with poorer vocals and guitar parts from the soundcheck. ;) |
| john bodega 24.01.2008 00:18 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:You're absolutely right,Zebonka12 wrote:Stop attacking the newbies. Just because they're ignorant doesn't mean that someone more informed should feel obligated to correct them. The truth is, the version of One Vision on the radio broadcast was overdubbed with poorer vocals and guitar parts from the soundcheck. ;)Roger Meadows Tailor wrote: They never did any overdubs on any of their official live releases.Don't spread bullshit. Either you're trying to be funny or you have no idea what you're talking about; in either case, stop it!! There are nitwits out there who will read your post and actually believe it. Compare the two versions of "One Vision" from the 2nd night at Wembley; the version off of the radio, and the one you have on your DVD. Very noticable differences. Fumbled notes by Brian were replaced, and some high notes from Freddie were added in later. what I meant to say was ; The whole show was mimed anyway! :P |
| Roger Meadows Tailor 24.01.2008 02:10 |
Zebonka12 wrote:So you can spot sarcasism.Clever you!!!Roger Meadows Tailor wrote: They never did any overdubs on any of their official live releases.Don't spread bullshit. Either you're trying to be funny or you have no idea what you're talking about; in either case, stop it!! There are nitwits out there who will read your post and actually believe it. Compare the two versions of "One Vision" from the 2nd night at Wembley; the version off of the radio, and the one you have on your DVD. Very noticable differences. Fumbled notes by Brian were replaced, and some high notes from Freddie were added in later. Actually. there's quite a few instances where they've overdubbed.Live Aid and Milton Keynes to name but a few |
| john bodega 24.01.2008 09:03 |
Sarcasm isn't safe on Queenzone. What if innuendo1990 reads this thread? He'll think every concert release is as it was on the big day! |
| Champipple 24.01.2008 10:56 |
The Rainbow concert seems heavily overdubbed to me. Live Killers apparrently doesn't have overdubs, but was hacked from so many shows (even within the same song) that it's a frankenstien's monster. |
| BradJarre 24.01.2008 11:13 |
The rainbow concert was indeed almost 50%re-recorded in the studio,And has got millions of cuts in it. |
| john bodega 24.01.2008 11:28 |
Oh, you only have to watch In The Lap of the Gods to know that the Rainbow video is hardly a verbatim representation of the night... |
| Rick 24.01.2008 12:56 |
They should have held Freddie's false note in Fat Bottomed Girls on the MK DVD. I dunno, I just love that note. |
| The Real Wizard 24.01.2008 17:07 |
innuendo1990 wrote: The rainbow concert was indeed almost 50%re-recorded in the studioOn what grounds are you making such a bold statement? |
| ezee 25.01.2008 12:01 |
Technicaly speaking the Rainbow gig wasnt "re-recorded" in so much as the band going into the studio and overdubbing vocals and what-not SirGH.... but backing vocals and FX from the Album multitracks were added / spun / flown in or overdubbed on to the concert itself. From what ive heard and read, this was not Queens decision to do so .. it was done by "Trident" (?) who own'd the rights to the film and their material at the time. e. |
| Harry_queenrecordings 25.01.2008 12:47 |
All those overdubs, editings and mixing etc on official releases is one of the reasons I like audience recordings so much ;-) |
| BradJarre 25.01.2008 12:54 |
yeah i love audience recordings:D By the way im downloading Queen live at paris the QTV version,How many cutts does it have?,ANd are they easy to see? |
| Penetration_Guru 25.01.2008 18:05 |
yessssssss, you cannnnnnn see allllllllllll the cutttts assss tttttttthe picttttture changgggges |
| Yara 25.01.2008 21:11 |
Hi, Innuendo90. Being unable, for lack of knowledge, to answer your question directly, I think I could, perhaps, address the problem that is bothering you: to what extent your notions and conceptions about music, live performances, sound engineering and editing are, maybe, spoiling the joy you once had or would have by listening to - or watching - an offically released live performance, for example. I'd just do what Socrates does in Plato's Mênon: remembering you of what you already know. I hope it helps! Editing, let's put it more broadly, has been with us for a good deal of time. It's very crucial for you, as a Queen fan, to understand that overdubbing and other editing techniques have not only been systematically used for decades, but played a central role in shaping the evolution - or regression, who knows - of music itself and the way we experience it. Why all that? Because you may get the wrong impression that Queen was not really a good band and, therefore, they needed all this technique to sound like you like them to sound: suddenly, though, it seems all...fantasy, fiction, because many people come to think that there's no music there anymore, just a couple of more or less talented guys with good - that is, easy to sell -ideas assisted by the sound technicians and managers. It's usual to see people blaming the band: Freddie wasn't capable..., because some people feel this need for perfection in everything. Fact is: is Queen or Rock and Roll an exception there? Are there no editings in live performances in jazz, classical music cds or dvds...? Vladimir Horowitz. Arguably XX Century's greatest pianist. Huge talent? No, not at all: genius. A total genius who changed the whole way many pieces had been played before his coming into the scene. They forced him to do a lot of stuff: overdubbing on his live performance at Carnegie Hall being one of the most pleasant things he had to do. He was also forced to get "straight" and, you know, had excellent treatments for depressions. After people thought Horowitz had vanished forever and ever, there comes the guy, an elderly gentleman to record some of the most amazing material you'll ever likely to hear in the piano repertoire. Now, think about it: I came across many studies on Liszt. I went through his letters, his essays, all that stuff. Well, the guy is still considered the greatest pianist...ever! He changed the way the instrument was played, that's true. He was also an amazing composer. It's not hard to find him complaining about some of his own performances: "that night was terrible, I missed so many crucial notes", and so on...nowadays, Liszt would have been asked politely to do some overdubbing. ;-) Marc-André Hamelin, arguably the greatest living pianist. For some, the greatest ever, the guy who's able to play Godowsky as if he were playing the C major scale. Ok. I love the guy, I study his playing. I like him so much that, well, I attended many of his recitals. Though called an "Iron Man" by fans and the industry, thus giving the impression the guy could never make any mistake, he does a good share of them. There are recitals which are not good at all: he has some trouble playing Schumann, though he has improved over the time in this regard, he makes all sorts of mistakes. On the whole, however, he's absolutely fantastic: he's an amazing pianist who most of the time is able to deliver brilliant performances. When it comes to releasing a product, though, yes, they often edit out the mistakes or the errors. There are people who don't like it. There are people, like me, who see no problem in it: some editing and improving is necessary to do justice to the artist, that is to say, to convey the message that, on the whole, the artist in question was damn good. I mean, I talk about people who really sing and play music; there are people who dance very well - if they fall on stage nowadays, like B |
| The Real Wizard 26.01.2008 00:18 |
ezee wrote: Technicaly speaking the Rainbow gig wasnt "re-recorded" in so much as the band going into the studio and overdubbing vocals and what-not SirGH.... but backing vocals and FX from the Album multitracks were added / spun / flown in or overdubbed on to the concert itself. From what ive heard and read, this was not Queens decision to do so .. it was done by "Trident" (?) who own'd the rights to the film and their material at the time. e.Ah yes... that makes plenty of sense! innuendo1990 wrote: yeah i love audience recordings:D By the way im downloading Queen live at paris the QTV version,How many cutts does it have?,ANd are they easy to see?Absolutely - there's a clock in the top-left corner. Watch it and the answers will come easily. |
| BradJarre 26.01.2008 06:06 |
ok thanks m8 |
| brian-harold-may 26643 30.01.2008 17:56 |
i know it's not a queen concert, but sevilla 92 guitar legends. driven by you sounds completely re-recorded in the vocal department when compared to the audience recording. and tie your mother down has had work done to the vocals aswell. |