QueenZone discussion #1037325
Queenpedia - Cover version help needed
| Penetration_Guru 31.08.2007 17:31 |
OK, I wanted to do some cleaning up on the extensive list John S Stuart provided here link What I've already done is decide that anything not actually released on a record/CD in a shop doesn't fit within the list. So, with all due respect to the effort of the people involved, that's everything from "The Stage Of Champions" on here, out. Sorry. Live versions are also out, unless released. VHS/DVD releases are ok. I'm also going to go through and remove the superfluous repetition of song titles, unless there's a deviation from the original (We Will Smurf You or whatever...) and tidy up the names (I think we have Scott Soto, Jeff as well as Jeff Scott Soto). What I'd LIKE to do is add album (or single) titles wherever possible - there are a few in place (mainly the interminable tribute albums) and I'm going to research what I can, but I need help with it as many of these look...well...fucking obscure. So, please, either post on here or mail to the queenpedia@gmail.com email address with album titles and ideally links to back it up. Ahhhh fanguvermuch |
| PieterMC 31.08.2007 18:47 |
May you have much luck in your quest.... So that people can see what you have already done here is a link to the Cover Version page on QP. link |
| Penetration_Guru 31.08.2007 19:21 |
I was actually quite surprised at how well i did early on - quickly established that 4 poofs and a piano haven't released anything, Youth Brigade was an error (they were on the same Ep as Stunnin Utters) etc. There are some big names that I doubt have released Queen covers though - Iron Maiden, GnR, Radiohead, U2 - maybe if people could look for their favourite other artists in the list and advise where the song comes from? Other obvious questions: Have G4 really released two different Bo Rhaps? Are QUnit a mashup organisation? Does Bob Rivers actually release stuff or just distribute parodies? Is it Robby or Robbie Valentine & how much of the Queen catalogue has been released? Is it "My Chemical Romance" or "Used & My Chemical Romance" that did Under Pressure? Who's credited with SMGO on the Moulin Rouge OST? |
| Erin 31.08.2007 19:35 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: Are QUnit a mashup organisation?Yep. So that can go. Who's credited with SMGO on the Moulin Rouge OST?Says "Org Film Version" on Amazon. |
| Pim Derks 31.08.2007 19:48 |
It's Robby Valentine P_G. However, I don't think these were released - they were live performances at the Dutch Queen convention. The only Queen cover that Robby released that I'm aware of is Flick of the Wrist on his new CD "Falling Down In Misantropolis". Valensia also did You Take My Breath Away - available on his "Nonplugged" mini-album. |
| FriedChicken 31.08.2007 19:51 |
Actually, I believe it was Joe Teek Mai Bret Awee |
| PieterMC 31.08.2007 20:32 |
Erin wrote:CD Universe credits it to:Penetration_Guru wrote: Are QUnit a mashup organisation?Yep. So that can go.Who's credited with SMGO on the Moulin Rouge OST?Says "Org Film Version" on Amazon. Jim Broadbent / Nicole Kidman / Anthony Weigh It's actually on the Moulin Rouge 2 Soundtrack. link |
| Maz 31.08.2007 21:42 |
U2's live version of WWRY was not released. It was simply Bono singing the chorus a few times. |
| JeroenG 01.09.2007 08:45 |
Pim Derks wrote: Valensia also did You Take My Breath Away - available on his "Nonplugged" mini-album.And available on the Scandinavian edition of the Queen Tribute album and as a B-side to the Valensian 'Man from Manhattan' single. |
| idscorpion 01.09.2007 10:01 |
Missing from the list: We Will Rock You - Vienna Symphonic Orchestra Project. Availbale on "Hooked on VSOP" single 1993. Catalogue number: maxi cd 93340 on DINO records Switzerland. Cheers |
| jcrawford79 01.09.2007 14:01 |
Bohemian Rhapsody-Butch Walker This was off of the "Cover Me Badd" EP. Released in 2005. Also not on the list was Butch Walker's cover of Under Pressure. It is a live version, but was officially released as a bonus track on the Japanese release of his first album, "Left of Self-Centered" in 2002. This guy's really good. You all should check him out. Hope this helps. |
| jcrawford79 01.09.2007 14:24 |
Just noticed one that's not on there. Oddly enough, its a country cover of Fat Bottom Girls. Released by a guy named Kevin Fowler in 2002 on his album, "High on the Hog." Its pretty pathetic actually. |
| Bohardy 01.09.2007 15:18 |
Radiohead have certainly never released CLTCL. I think it was only ever Jonny and Thom arseing about and doing a short segment of it for a webcast, many moons ago. |
| Penetration_Guru 01.09.2007 16:47 |
Thanks - all updated. Any Jeff Scott Soto experts like to tell me what he's released? Anyone with an opinion on Freddie's Tribute Concert? It seems that currently some but not all performances are on there. My view is that Def Leppard's Now I'm Here & Extreme's set (if released) would be ok, but the second half is Queen with guest vocalists & therefore not a cover. |
| Maz 02.09.2007 00:56 |
Fairly sure a-ha never released Love of My Life. It was just Morten Harket (without the others) singing it on some television program. But while I agree with your assessment on the Freddie Tribute Concert, doesn't that also mean you should take off Robbie William's WATC? |
| The Fairy King 02.09.2007 05:37 |
Maz wrote: [...] doesn't that also mean you should take off Robbie William's WATC?Nope, it's officially released on the A Knight's Tale soundtrack link |
| Maz 02.09.2007 10:41 |
But that's not what I mean, since the entire second of the FT concert that was also officially released. I was referring to PG's comment that a cover does not include songs where it's essentially a singer with Queen as a backing group. Robbie's included, which was officially released, but George's Somebody to Love, which was a top 10 hit on its own, is not. Just point out semantics. |
| Erin 02.09.2007 11:07 |
Maz wrote: But that's not what I mean, since the entire second of the FT concert that was also officially released. I was referring to PG's comment that a cover does not include songs where it's essentially a singer with Queen as a backing group. Robbie's included, which was officially released, but George's Somebody to Love, which was a top 10 hit on its own, is not. Just point out semantics.I think the Robbie thing should stay. *barf* So, I guess that means the tribute concert stuff should stay, but is it really a cover version if Queen is there?? This is why I'm glad P_G is doing this page. ;-) I say the best thing to do would be to leave the tribute concert performances. |
| Penetration_Guru 02.09.2007 15:21 |
Robbie would have recorded it anyway, RT & BM are guests on it, and aren't credited. The tribute concert was "Queen and...." So I'm comfortable with my position still. But cheers for the ideas. |
| PieterMC 02.09.2007 16:20 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: Robbie would have recorded it anyway, RT & BM are guests on it, and aren't credited.Hmmm.. Not sure. The soundtrack CD credits the track to Robbie Williams + Queen.... and yes I shamefully bought the soundtrack CD.... |
| Maz 02.09.2007 16:48 |
Then make it "Queen + *fill in the blank*" is not a cover, but "*fill in the blank* + Queen" is. Not that this issue will creep up all that much, but it's a suggestion. Of course, how that applies to John Farnham's WWRY I'll let PG decide. |
| ern2150 02.09.2007 17:32 |
Maz wrote: Then make it "Queen + *fill in the blank*" is not a cover, but "*fill in the blank* + Queen" is. Not that this issue will creep up all that much, but it's a suggestion. Of course, how that applies to John Farnham's WWRY I'll let PG decide.Dunno... if you have to put Q+5ive in a list, Taint much worse... |
| Penetration_Guru 02.09.2007 19:04 |
Maz wrote: Then make it "Queen + *fill in the blank*" is not a cover, but "*fill in the blank* + Queen" is.That's as good a rough guide as we're going to get. Farnham's was on *his* greatest hits album, wasn't it? Can't imagine he wouldn't give himself top billing there.... I've now settled into something of a rhythm, as you'll see. Anything with a bracketed album title is confirmed, anything with ??? or comments is on the way out.... Dream Theater is out except if any Queen material was included in either of the unplugged shows included as extras on the "5 years of a LIVEtime" DVD. LA Guns is confirmed - they had a covers album a couple of years ago. ...and there's a hell of a lot of non-artists with entries on here (and I just remembered the "Synthesizer Rock Orchestra" which technically will need to be added, despite being a travesty of a release). |
| PieterMC 02.09.2007 19:53 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: I just remembered the "Synthesizer Rock Orchestra" which technically will need to be added, despite being a travesty of a releaseThanks. I had nearly forgotten about that. |
| rhyeking 02.09.2007 22:42 |
Good thread. Here are my thoughts, if you're interested P_G: "Queen+[whoever]" and "[whoever]+Queen" ought to be held in equal standing. Hating the collaborators, such at 5ive, Wyclef, or Robbie Williams, isn't reason enough to exclude them. That's called revisionism and it's frowned upon by any and every respectable publication. Which gets A or B billing ussually comes from a variety of reasons: a) the record company, b) the producer, c) whoever prompted the collaboration. No two collaborations' criteria will match or balance. What WE are looking at, I think we'll agree, is if Queen (in ANY of it's carnations...Freddie-era and post-Freddie-era) is credited, they are given equal weight. Therefore, the following should be catagorized equally: -George Michael And Queen (with Lisa Stansfield) -Queen And David Bowie -Zucchero And Queen (with Sharon Corr) -Robbie Williams + Queen -5ive + Queen -Queen And Wyclef Jean (with Pras And Free) -Queen + Elton John -Queen + Paul Rodgers -John Farnham + Queen To avoid hairsplitting, a seperate section ought to be devoted to members of Queen individually appearing on other people's recordings (Ian Hunter, Billy Squier, etc.). Any "Covers" section should be strictly recordings with NO Queen involvement (no individual member appears in any part of the recording, including producing or guest backing). For instance, the cover of "Misfire" by Neko Case And Her Boyfriends is a straight cover with no Queen involvement. The version of "Love Of My Life" by Extreme (with Brian May) would be more accurately described as a Solo Collaboration. What's the difference, you ask? To make things simply, there was Queen involvement on a track which was originally recorded by Queen. Had Brian NOT appeared, it would Qualify as a straight cover. Here's where it gets more complicated: A solo member (Brian or Roger mostly) releases a cover of a Queen song (new section here, Solo Covers). Roger released "Ride The Wild Wind" and "I Want To Break Free" on different "Happiness" single formats. Brian has released "Hammer To Fall" on the Japanese "Red Special" Mini-Album (Before we start another argument, let's not get into whether *Brian/Roger* released a given product or whether the record company did, okay? If it's official and it has his name on it, well, for all intents and purposes [our anyway] he released it.) Official is anything that was made commercially available OR released as a promotional item by a record company/artist. Even if it wasn't endorsed by Queen (ie the Smile recordings have had two official releases) Did I miss anything? Probably. Argue away... Oh, and here are some lesser-referenced covers off the top of my head: "Misfire" by Neko Case And Her Boyfriends (album: The Virginian) "Bohemian Polka" by 'Weird Al' Yankovic (album: Alapolooza) "Another One Rides The Bus" by 'Weird Al' Yankovic (album: "Weird Al" Yankovic) |
| Erin 02.09.2007 23:31 |
rhyeking wrote: To avoid hairsplitting, a seperate section ought to be devoted to members of Queen individually appearing on other people's recordings (Ian Hunter, Billy Squier, etc.).There are already separate sections for each band member's collaborations. (Freddie and John's aren't finished, yet.) link link |
| Serry... 03.09.2007 07:15 |
There are thousands of thousands of covers that I've added into John's UC! |
| PieterMC 03.09.2007 10:35 |
Serry... wrote: There are thousands of thousands of covers that I've added into John's UC!into what? |
| Serry... 03.09.2007 11:18 |
UC. U goes for "ultimate", "c" goes for "collection", John goes for "John S. Stuart". |
| Penetration_Guru 03.09.2007 16:07 |
PieterMC wrote:I apologise for the reawakening of that dark memory..Penetration_Guru wrote: I just remembered the "Synthesizer Rock Orchestra" which technically will need to be added, despite being a travesty of a releaseThanks. I had nearly forgotten about that. |
| ern2150 03.09.2007 23:58 |
While rhyeking builds piles and piles of timber, and asks, Brer Rabbit-style, to please not use this here match to light it... P_g has the unenviable task of detailing the difference between what actually happens (artist remixes officially provided Queen source material) and what finally shows up on the label ("queen plus artist.") An "official" discography would tow the record company li(n)e. P_g has more freedom, and while that means more work, it also means more respect for its accuracy. |
| Serry... 04.09.2007 04:13 |
+ something what is not yet in UC (Ultimate Collection): Cover Artist: Cris Delanno Album: Smooth Jazz Cafe 9 (compilation) Released by Universal Music Polska in May 2007. Crazy Little Thing Called Love (3:00) |
| Serry... 06.09.2007 01:43 |
I don't like to start new topics, therefore let it be here... Covers, remixes 2007 - part 1: Artist: Left Hook Right Hand Album: Our Name Ring Bells Track #4: We Will Rock You (4:03) Artist: KRS-One Album: This is Stadium Anthems (Double CD - compilation, various atists) Released in August of 2007 on Cleopatra Records Track # 15 on CD1: We Will Rock You (3:36) Artist: Tokyo Kosei Wind Orchestra Album: Braban Koshien Released on August 26th of 2007 on Universal Track #18: We Will Rock You (0:55) Artist: DJ Vini vs DJ Antoine Album: Moscow Dyagilev EP Released on vinyl in the Spring of 2007 (I don't know the exact day, but I already have it in May). Track #1 on A-side: We Will Rock You (4:53) |
| Penetration_Guru 06.09.2007 03:40 |
When you say remix, do you mean remix of previously released cover? As I'm currently ignoring the fact that there are two edits of Hank Marvin's WATC, Metallica have released 2 SCC (studio & live) and the Braids appear to have done 3 mixes of Bo Rhap...it's just a list of which artists have covered which songs. Also, does "vs" indicate that there is a mashup going on, or that the original Queen version features? |
| Serry... 06.09.2007 03:58 |
When I'd finish to compile that list of the 2007 year tracks - I'll add the notes what is what. |
| Serry... 06.09.2007 04:18 |
Another the 2007 cover Artist: Milan Album: Milan Released by Dark House Productions as a promo album on vinyl on August 18th 2007, maybe was already released as not promo on CD, but I have only that vinyl item. Track #5: We Are The Champions (3:49) This is from cover: "MILAN - THE WORLD'S FIRST OPERA GIRL BAND, FEATURING FOUR SOPRANOS FROM FOUR DIFFERENT LANDS, PRODUCING A BLEND OF OPERA AND DANCE MUSIC LACED WITH ETHNIC AND LATIN RHYTHMS. WE INVITE YOU TO JOURNEY TO THE EXCITING NEW WORLD OF MILAN." |
| Penetration_Guru 06.09.2007 07:31 |
Serry... wrote: "MILAN - THE WORLD'S FIRST OPERA GIRL BAND, FEATURING FOUR SOPRANOS FROM FOUR DIFFERENT LANDS, PRODUCING A BLEND OF OPERA AND DANCE MUSIC LACED WITH ETHNIC AND LATIN RHYTHMS. WE INVITE YOU TO JOURNEY TO THE EXCITING NEW WORLD OF MILAN."<holds hand over mouth, runs with cheeks bulging to throw up> |