| kombattivi 19.07.2007 17:09 |
Hi, i want to know when Queen used Synth On Stage ? I See on Queenconcerts.com that Flash's theme not included in The Game Tour World but The Game Europe just, in the Europe Tour there's was a synth ? Thanks |
| thomasquinn 32989 19.07.2007 17:36 |
It was used from the Hot Space tour onwards. |
| The Real Wizard 20.07.2007 02:02 |
The first show where they used a synth was London 12-8-80. They tried out Flash for the first time two days before in Birmingham, with Brian playing the ostinato rhythm on the guitar. After that, they decided to have him on the synth instead. |
| thomasquinn 32989 20.07.2007 06:25 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: The first show where they used a synth was London 12-8-80. They tried out Flash for the first time two days before in Birmingham, with Brian playing the ostinato rhythm on the guitar. After that, they decided to have him on the synth instead.Are you quite sure? I thought the '80/'81 shows were played synth-free. I seem to recall that the "5th member" was introduced in order to facilitate the use of a synth on-stage. |
| Rick 20.07.2007 07:39 |
<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:Bob is right.Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: The first show where they used a synth was London 12-8-80. They tried out Flash for the first time two days before in Birmingham, with Brian playing the ostinato rhythm on the guitar. After that, they decided to have him on the synth instead.Are you quite sure? I thought the '80/'81 shows were played synth-free. I seem to recall that the "5th member" was introduced in order to facilitate the use of a synth on-stage. I think there is even video-evidence of Brian playing synths during the 1981 tour. |
| Raf 20.07.2007 08:46 |
Is there any recording of Brian playing that on the guitar? |
| The Real Wizard 20.07.2007 12:40 |
<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: Is there any recording of Brian playing that on the guitar?Yep, the second night in Birmingham (12-6-60) was fortunately recorded. That's the only way I can know this stuff. :) |
| Fat Lizzy 20.07.2007 12:58 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:WOW 12-06-60 PLEASE SHARE IT WITH US BOBMEIßTER!!!<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: Is there any recording of Brian playing that on the guitar?Yep, the second night in Birmingham (12-6-60) was fortunately recorded. That's the only way I can know this stuff. :) |
| Madman 22.07.2007 06:40 |
Worth to find this this recording, Queen in excellent shape. |
| cmsdrums 25.07.2007 08:25 |
Hi I've always been a bit confused by the "We Will Rock You" Montreal concert in 81; The is no trace of any 5th person playing, and tracks like 'Save Me' have no additional piano after Brian switches to guitar, yet on 'Another One Bites The Dust' there is clearly an extra synthesised snare type beat when the play the chorus with just drums and vocals just before the last verse. Does anyone know if this is a backing track, and if so was Roger playing to a click track on that song? |
| The Real Wizard 25.07.2007 11:21 |
Good observation. It definitely is a backing track, but I don't think they played with a click. I just watched the DVD, and Roger's hair is covering his ears so you can't see any earplugs (did they even use the earplugs back then?). |
| kombattivi 25.07.2007 14:33 |
Someone know why are not Flash in The DVD Montreal 81 (We Will Rock You) ? |
| cmsdrums 25.07.2007 17:04 |
Cheers for agreeing Sir GH - I think it must be a backing track, but as you rightly saym in ear monitoring wasn't invented then, so Roger must have had a really loud mix of it in his monitor speakers to keep in time. I am bemused as to why they used a track simply on this song only and nothing on anything else - perhaps it was just as they were getting into the electonic side of things after The Game but before Hot Space, and wanted to just try this sort of thing out. It will be interesting to see how this backing track part stands out in the new surround and hi-def mixes when the concert is re-released in a couple of months. |
| The Real Wizard 25.07.2007 17:33 |
kombattivi wrote: Someone know why are not Flash in The DVD Montreal 81 (We Will Rock You) ?The company who originally filmed the footage simply trashed the Flash/Hero footage, but thankfully they kept the audio, so they will be on the 2cd. cmsdrums wrote: It will be interesting to see how this backing track part stands out in the new surround and hi-def mixes when the concert is re-released in a couple of months.Indeed, I'm looking forward to that too. |
| Smitty 26.07.2007 01:31 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:$50 Dollars says it was edited because it sounded like Donny Mars.kombattivi wrote: Someone know why are not Flash in The DVD Montreal 81 (We Will Rock You) ?The company who originally filmed the footage simply trashed the Flash/Hero footage, but thankfully they kept the audio, so they will be on the 2cd. |
| FriedChicken 26.07.2007 14:30 |
Those synthesized drums aren't a backing track. They're triggered by the snare drum.. The microphone is fed into a sampling machine, which plays a sample when the drums are hit. A lot of power drummers use this technique. It doesn't require a headphone or something.. |
| The Real Wizard 27.07.2007 02:03 |
FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: Those synthesized drums aren't a backing track. They're triggered by the snare drum.. The microphone is fed into a sampling machine, which plays a sample when the drums are hit. A lot of power drummers use this technique. It doesn't require a headphone or something..Yeah, I'm definitely aware of that... but in 1981?? |
| Raf 27.07.2007 08:07 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:linkFriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: Those synthesized drums aren't a backing track. They're triggered by the snare drum.. The microphone is fed into a sampling machine, which plays a sample when the drums are hit. A lot of power drummers use this technique. It doesn't require a headphone or something..Yeah, I'm definitely aware of that... but in 1981?? MIDI was invented in 1983, so I don't think Roger could've used trigger pads in 1983... And in articles about trigger pads, I've never seen Roger being mentioned as an user. I wouldn't even see the point... The kind of music he play is "easy" enough and he's talented enough to play it all well. If he played something much faster, it would be necessary, but he doesn't, all his hits can be heard cleary. |
| thomasquinn 32989 27.07.2007 08:25 |
<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote:MIDI wasn't the first triggering system, only the most effective one.Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:link MIDI was invented in 1983, so I don't think Roger could've used trigger pads in 1983... And in articles about trigger pads, I've never seen Roger being mentioned as an user. I wouldn't even see the point... The kind of music he play is "easy" enough and he's talented enough to play it all well. If he played something much faster, it would be necessary, but he doesn't, all his hits can be heard cleary.FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: Those synthesized drums aren't a backing track. They're triggered by the snare drum.. The microphone is fed into a sampling machine, which plays a sample when the drums are hit. A lot of power drummers use this technique. It doesn't require a headphone or something..Yeah, I'm definitely aware of that... but in 1981?? |
| Raf 27.07.2007 11:10 |
<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:But still, I was under the impression trigger pads were pretty new... A couple of years ago I was buying magazines for drummers out of curiosity, as I was thinking of learning how to play the drums, and one of them was most about trigger pads, talking about how much prejudice drummers still face when using those, interviews with drummers who are for it and drummers who are against it...<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote:MIDI wasn't the first triggering system, only the most effective one.Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:link MIDI was invented in 1983, so I don't think Roger could've used trigger pads in 1983... And in articles about trigger pads, I've never seen Roger being mentioned as an user. I wouldn't even see the point... The kind of music he play is "easy" enough and he's talented enough to play it all well. If he played something much faster, it would be necessary, but he doesn't, all his hits can be heard cleary.FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: Those synthesized drums aren't a backing track. They're triggered by the snare drum.. The microphone is fed into a sampling machine, which plays a sample when the drums are hit. A lot of power drummers use this technique. It doesn't require a headphone or something..Yeah, I'm definitely aware of that... but in 1981?? So I thought it was a pretty new technology. When was it first released? I tried to find info online, but I couldn't. |
| cmsdrums 28.07.2007 11:15 |
I am fully wiling to believe that the 'extra' snare we're talking about is a midi sample, but it begs the question as to why they then didn't use the same technique on other songs? I suppose the reason may be that I only spotted the extra bit because it was pretty out of time on a couple of beats - if it IS midi, this could be a latency problem due to the technology not being up to much back then. By the way, not having watched the concert for a while, I can't remember if they use a backing track on Under Pressure for the finger clicks etc.. during the song???? |
| FriedChicken 28.07.2007 11:23 |
Not that I know of.. As far as I know they never used backing tracks. Apart from the drums on These are the Days and Radio Ga Ga with Queen & Paul Rodgers And and for a long time (around 2002) Brian and Roger always played to a track ni We Will Rock You |
| Raf 28.07.2007 13:08 |
Any chance of the DVD being overdubbed? They've already overdubbed live stuff before, such as Live Killers. |
| FriedChicken 29.07.2007 15:21 |
There is a chance that some parts are overdubbed. But I'm sure you can here these sounds also on adience recordings from the same tour. I'm sure Bob or someone else can confirm this |
| The Real Wizard 30.07.2007 01:49 |
Yep, I'll be the first to confirm that you hear it on the audience recording (11-24-81). |
| cmsdrums 02.11.2007 08:35 |
Further to my previous posts, I've now watched the new release of the Montral gig, and due to the colour regarding you can clearly see a 'Syndrum' unit behind Roger which I'd never been able to spot before. I'm not really familiar with older versions of electronic drum stuff, but could this be what is used on Another One Bites The Dust and Under Pressure for handclaps?? |
| Marcl 02.11.2007 15:08 |
The syndrum claps and clicks on Under Pressure on the Montreal DVD were played, as Roger reveals on the audio commentary, by his drum roadie who apparently had a terrible sense of rhythm. I'm not sure about the other tracks like Another One Bites the dust but it stands to reason that they were probably handled in a similar way - The Feeling do something similar live these days too. M |
| The Real Wizard 03.11.2007 01:01 |
Marcl wrote: The Feeling do something similar live these days too.The Feeling... can you tell me your opinion on them? I've heard mixed things... |
| Marcl 03.11.2007 05:45 |
The Feeling write great songs have huge vocal harmonies and a track 'Join With Us' which will be on their forthcoming album will really appeal to queen fans. The did a great cover of Fat Bottom Girls on their last tour too. Songs to give priority listen to are:- Love It When You Call - very 10cc/ELO/Queen Strange The Same Old Stuff - Abbey Road-eque Beatles rock epic - Think Carry That Weight or The End Blue Picadilly - Queen and Paul McCartney get together and make a classic show stopper Never Be Lonely - Supertramp/10cc/Queen I think you'll enjoy them and they are certainly not the next The Darkness or Mika - who I always felt sounded nothing like Queen but were a forth rated Sparks. M |
| FriedChicken 03.11.2007 07:31 |
To be like Sparks you need a sense of humor. |
| pittrek 03.11.2007 07:55 |
Could some moderator move this thread to the "Serious" forum ? It's a very interesting discussion, and I think more people would read it there |
| dysan 03.11.2007 07:58 |
I read this thread with interest and wanted to contribute something meaningful, but I have been reduced to this: The Feeling are utter gash and not fit to be mentioned in the same breath as Queen. |
| Marcl 03.11.2007 08:31 |
If well written and performed songs are utter gash then sir we are in agreement. I wasn't suggesting that they were in anyway similar to Queen other than there were elements of their songs that have the same 'feel'. If I can refer you to my original post you will see that I was only commenting that they also use a roadie to trigger some drum effects when playing live especially on songs such as Love It When You Call. Then in my next post I was asked FOR MY OPINION on The Feeling. I'm sorry to have disturbed your obviously delicate world. |
| dysan 03.11.2007 10:44 |
Sorry if I hurt your feelings. ^^ see what I did there? x |
| cmsdrums 04.11.2007 10:12 |
Marcl wrote: The syndrum claps and clicks on Under Pressure on the Montreal DVD were played, as Roger reveals on the audio commentary, by his drum roadie who apparently had a terrible sense of rhythm. I'm not sure about the other tracks like Another One Bites the dust but it stands to reason that they were probably handled in a similar way - The Feeling do something similar live these days too. MAh, great thanks. I haven't got round to listening to the commentary yet, so at least I can be satisfied as to the origin of the samples on this gig now!! |
| dysan 05.11.2007 06:16 |
on the intro of Let Me Entertain You and Death On Two Legs on Live Killers I guess that is guitar then? |
| Marcl 08.11.2007 19:30 |
Not sure about LMEY, but it unlikely to be guitar as you can hear the feedback building on the guitar at the same time, but the begining of DOTL is definitely syn drums. M |
| cmsdrums 10.11.2007 14:39 |
I was pretty sure that all the 'swirly' type sounds on DOTL were, (as with the middle of Get Down Make Love) actually all on the guitar. I think the way Brian's pick up variations work mean that he can kind of get it to produce a sort of 'internal feedback' type thing (I'm sure some guitarists here can give you a more technical explanation!) |