Diane24 18.10.2006 03:27 |
I searched the web but I couldn't find any hints of the languages Freddie learned during his childhood besides English. I am sure he was a multilingual child, wasn't he? |
Sebastian 18.10.2006 07:14 |
H wasn't, he only spoke English. To say four words in Farsi in a song doesn't make you speak it, in the same way that I can write a poem with four Arabic words and it doesn't mean I speak Arabic. |
Ready_Coddie 18.10.2006 07:32 |
I'll disagree with Sebastain... Freddie lived in India... Panchgani despite being a big time school would atleast want the students to be able to speak Hindi and the students would learn that by communicatingw with each other. Also Freddie often visited Bulsara town in Gujarat, signifying he originated from Gujarat so he prolly didnt speak Farsi but Gujarati. Many Parsis speak in Gujarati... |
Diane24 19.10.2006 09:46 |
Ready_Coddie wrote: I'll disagree with Sebastain... Freddie lived in India... Panchgani despite being a big time school would atleast want the students to be able to speak Hindi and the students would learn that by communicatingw with each other. Also Freddie often visited Bulsara town in Gujarat, signifying he originated from Gujarat so he prolly didnt speak Farsi but Gujarati. Many Parsis speak in Gujarati...Very interesting, really! From where you got your information that Freddie visited Bulsara town? I didn't know that.... cheers! |
Freddie's #1 Fan Forever 19.10.2006 11:09 |
Why does this seem so hard to document? Interestingly, I read somewhere that Freddie could actually speak Swahili, an African language. Did anyone else hear that? |
blerp 19.10.2006 15:23 |
Freddie's #1 Fan Forever wrote: Why does this seem so hard to document? Interestingly, I read somewhere that Freddie could actually speak Swahili, an African language. Did anyone else hear that?No. But I can. Well, if that song my chorus class did back in middle school counts. |
freddieismylife 13.01.2013 12:20 |
well it was an english boarding school, so i dont know if they would want them to speak hindi or just english |
mooghead 13.01.2013 12:34 |
Sounds like a few people here are making assumptions.... |
MartynTS 13.01.2013 13:41 |
interesting, I've never heard of him being able to speak more any other languages besides english. I feel like that would be documented somewhere... |
matt z 13.01.2013 15:28 |
Hipster, Ny dive bar-gay, and British Innuendo-gay (ala Coward/Wilde) as well as English and mock-royal english To my knowledge those are the only dialects he spoke |
Sebastian 13.01.2013 17:35 |
Don't quote me on that, but I seem to recall his sister saying they could both speak Swahili. |
Belladonic haze 14.01.2013 09:38 |
jesuschrist, the man spent almost 10 years in India, he SURELY spoke fluent hindu and possibly gujarati back then! He could say "gracias", "hola" and "por favor" I can attest to that :) |
ParisNair 14.01.2013 13:01 |
Since he was educated in India for 10 years, he most probably did speak Hindi atleast, in addition to English. Also the language spoken at home would most probably be Gujarati. But, its not extremely rare here in Inida, for the kids to not learn the mother tongue very well because they ony use it to interact with their parents. This happens especially in the metros like Mumbai Delhi where the otehr kids and neighbors speak a different native language. Our Freddie was not even home most of the time..... |
waunakonor 14.01.2013 13:45 |
Belladonic haze wrote: He could say "gracias", "hola" and "por favor" I can attest to that :)He could also say "Las Palabras De Amor" On a related note, he could also recite a poetic stanza in Japanese. And Brian can speak German; incidentally, he was also the one who wrote that Japanese verse. |
ITWEMBLEY86 15.01.2013 01:48 |
He spoke english in a french accent if that counts? |
Belladonic haze 15.01.2013 09:02 |
"watashi tachi wa Nippon ni mata kore te ureshii desu" awwwwww :) link |
brENsKi 15.01.2013 11:28 |
he spent 30 years (or so) in London - does that mean he was fluent in cockney rhyming slang also? |
Belladonic haze 15.01.2013 14:11 |
wah, that was so gratuitously aggressive, wow :P |
brENsKi 15.01.2013 17:16 |
how do YOU interpret that ^^^ as gratuitously aggressive? it's just a simple statement of fact. it's not like i called anyone a fuckwit or anything. just a very clear statement that - if 15 years in India should leave someone fluent in Hindi (and any other of the 20 or so languages spoken on the Indian subcontinent), then by consequence of that reasoning - 30 yrs in London should make someone a veritable Cockney Pearly King |
Belladonic haze 16.01.2013 06:59 |
I interpret it as unnecessarily aggressive, and that's all, thank you. And who knows, maybe he was fluent in cockney. |
Holly2003 11.02.2013 12:45 |
Fred was a cockney geezer. |
Belladonic haze 13.02.2013 06:21 |
that's what Im sayin' |
Fmercurio 14.09.2014 18:18 |
Even if he ended up forgetting it or not being as fluent due speaking English most of his life Freddie was NOT a native English speaker. Yall talk as if freddie was born in boarding school. When he moved to India at age 10 aside from the school , he lived with his grandmother and aunt. I really doubt he spoke to them in english. And it was not just one occasion considering freddie LIVED with them during his stay in india. I ASSUME he had to speak to them in gujarati. Freddie had to been able to communicate in India other than English. Also while he was living with his parents. You can tell by the very thick Accent his mother is not a native English speaker so it's very probable English wasn't the language spoken at home when growing on. Unless of course school and friends just like any kid who can speak English does. Also before he was 10 his first years in school and pretty much his life was in Zanzibar. So I'm pretty sure he had to communicate in shawlini or whatever the name is I can't recall. Then he went back to zanzibar again for some months before moving to England . The point is before 1964 freddie was very culturally diverse. I'm sure he must have been a multilingual child though after going to England he would just speak English. Maybe he wasn't as fluent because once you stop speaking a language that happens. But I'm sure he had to know gujarati and what they speak in zanzibar besides English which was probably like the 3rd language he learned. |
RafaelS 14.09.2014 18:56 |
You also have to understand that during that period it was seen in a negative way to be frome the colonies. That's why Freddie changed his name and tried to fit the "english mould" by hiding his Indian heritage. He was proud of it but in his private life. So I'm sure Freddie knew other languages and surely didn't only speak in english with his parents. |
Sebastian 16.09.2014 09:03 |
I think his sister said once (at a fan club convention maybe?) that at home they spoke mostly English and also occasionally Swahili. Sure, Fred's parents' native language was not English, but it doesn't mean his wasn't either... precisely because of all the discrimination generated by having been born in the colonies, it could be that his parents spoke to him and Kashmira in English, hoping they wouldn't have to face that problem. Loads of Korean, Russian, Cuban, German, etc., families in America, Britain, etc., do it with their own kids so that generation has English as their native language, even if it's not the same as the parents'. |
RafaelS 16.09.2014 10:02 |
Most of native english speakers say that Freddie had a posh british accent. Is that right? |
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dysan 29.06.2019 07:21 |
When I see a thread bumped, I usually hope it's a spambot with some quotable nonsense rather than a newbie asking about Freddie's teeth. |
miraclesteinway 02.07.2019 11:53 |
I know quite a few Indians who were born and raised in India, and many of them speak English as their first language AS WELL as communicating in other languages including Hindi and Tamil. It's highly likely that Freddie only spoke English, but it's not impossible that he knew other languages of course. I guess this is one of the mysteries of his childhood. The English spoken in India is/was British, but of course there will be some sentence structures that aren't exactly the same, and there'll be some words not exactly the same, etc, as happens when a language breaks away from its mother land. Perfect example, American English and British English. I would be surprised if Freddie didn't know at least Tamil or Hindi, or Gujerati, although whether he communicated in these languages regularly only Kashmira would know - if she knows. |
dysan 02.07.2019 12:12 |
I wonder if he asked his boyfriends to please come again? |
Sebastian 02.07.2019 12:45 |
miraclesteinway wrote: ...only Kashmira would know - if she knows.She does, and she answered that question years ago: at home and with their parents, they spoke mostly English and also occasionally Swahili. So there. |
Costa86 02.07.2019 15:20 |
Freddie was the type of immigrant who didn't care too much to be associated with his home country and wanted to fully integrate and be considered a native Brit, which he managed to do, and good for him. |
ParisNair 02.07.2019 19:47 |
miraclesteinway wrote: I would be surprised if Freddie didn't know at least Tamil or Hindi, or Gujerati, although whether he communicated in these languages regularly only Kashmira would know - if she knows.Its impossible Freddie would have known Tamil. Its the language spoken in one state in the southern part of the country. And its nowhere near where Freddie was (Mumbai and Panchgani). Its quite likely he would have known Hindi (would have learnt and communicated with fellow students in Hindi at the boarding school). Sebastian has stated that Kashmira revealed they spoke English and Swahili at home. But it does not mean he did not speak Hindi at the boarding school in Panchgani. miraclesteinway wrote: When he moved to India at age 10 aside from the school , he lived with his grandmother and aunt. I really doubt he spoke to them in english.Parsis are generally well versed in English too. And they would have known Hindi as well, as they were based in Mumbai. Its quite possible they used either of these languages to converse with Freddie if he did not speak Gujarati. Some trivia- Tamil is spoken in the state of Tamil Nad (literally land of the Tamils) and is in South India. Gujarati is spoken in the state of Gujarat. When the Zoroastrians moved from Persia (largely present-day Iran) to India (due to Islamic persecution) they settled in Gujarat. Over many centuries they adopted the Gujarati language and culture and assimilated into the local population. Later under British rule when Bombay (Mumbai) was developed into a port, many enterprising Gujaratis (inlcuding Parsis) moved to the city to engage in various related trades like agents, ship builders, merchants, etc. Hence there is a huge Gujarati population in the city of Mumbai as well, even though its not in the state of Gujarat. |
matt z 04.07.2019 01:50 |
brENsKi wrote: he spent 30 years (or so) in London - does that mean he was fluent in cockney rhyming slang also?Uncertain, but all indications say that he slang a lot of cock. |
mariah carey 04.07.2019 05:23 |
Sebastian wrote:Do you have a source where she said this?miraclesteinway wrote: ...only Kashmira would know - if she knows.She does, and she answered that question years ago: at home and with their parents, they spoke mostly English and also occasionally Swahili. So there. |
dysan 04.07.2019 07:07 |
Her mouth. |
mariah carey 04.07.2019 07:19 |
dysan wrote: Her mouth.very witty :) |
dysan 04.07.2019 08:44 |
I think the delivery left too much to interpretation - IE was I actually referring to the mouth literally being the source of those worlds in a slightly surreal comical misunderstanding of your question (I was). Or was I meaning it more aggressively like 'she said it so you don't need a source' (I wasn't). All in all I think a mid-table finish for that gag. I'll hold my hands up and admit I rushed it and didn't really prep well enough to ensure it was a clear attempt at a funny post. It's rather bittersweet for me because sometimes I just like to kick back with my Strat and jam some hot licks while thumbing through here on a sunny day like today, but this has kind of spooked me that I've taken my eye off the ball a few too many times recently with my forum funnies. Thank you for the smiling emoji though, but I won't take it as 'I've been let off the hook' here - I'm going to use it to try to shake me out of this stupor I've fallen into. Sleepwalking through postings and generally taking my own posts on here for granted. It's a splash of water in the face of this hungover bleary eyed poster I've become. It's a wake up call TBH. |
Sebastian 04.07.2019 14:07 |
mariah carey wrote: Do you have a source where she said this?It was a fan club convention where she appeared and she was asked that very question. I seem to remember it was shortly after Jedward became (briefly) popular because one of the questions was about their 'Under Pressure' cover mixed with 'Ice, Ice Baby'. If anyone filmed or recorded the Q&A, there's a 'source' that could potentially be verified, assuming it ever sees the light one day. |
mariah carey 04.07.2019 15:16 |
Sebastian wrote:thanksmariah carey wrote: Do you have a source where she said this?It was a fan club convention where she appeared and she was asked that very question. I seem to remember it was shortly after Jedward became (briefly) popular because one of the questions was about their 'Under Pressure' cover mixed with 'Ice, Ice Baby'. If anyone filmed or recorded the Q&A, there's a 'source' that could potentially be verified, assuming it ever sees the light one day. |
mariah carey 04.07.2019 15:22 |
dysan wrote: I think the delivery left too much to interpretation - IE was I actually referring to the mouth literally being the source of those worlds in a slightly surreal comical misunderstanding of your question (I was). Or was I meaning it more aggressively like 'she said it so you don't need a source' (I wasn't). All in all I think a mid-table finish for that gag. I'll hold my hands up and admit I rushed it and didn't really prep well enough to ensure it was a clear attempt at a funny post. It's rather bittersweet for me because sometimes I just like to kick back with my Strat and jam some hot licks while thumbing through here on a sunny day like today, but this has kind of spooked me that I've taken my eye off the ball a few too many times recently with my forum funnies. Thank you for the smiling emoji though, but I won't take it as 'I've been let off the hook' here - I'm going to use it to try to shake me out of this stupor I've fallen into. Sleepwalking through postings and generally taking my own posts on here for granted. It's a splash of water in the face of this hungover bleary eyed poster I've become. It's a wake up call TBH.I won't deny that I didn't chuckle at your comment, so everything is alright :) |
MisterCosmicc 06.07.2019 06:30 |
Sebastian that was funny. Zoom in, nope! It’s interesting. What’s funnier is that years later you replied with Swahili, but someone else already mentioned it. |
Sebastian 07.07.2019 12:36 |
Yes, of course: I was wrong initially, and when I found more accurate information I posted it. That's how research works. |
MisterCosmicc 08.07.2019 04:44 |
Silly boy! |