| Queen Archivist 27.05.2006 11:56 |
Dear QZ-ers, There has been a lot of bickering on QZ within the last 2 days, and during the last time I visited here - a year or so ago... and HUGE MASSES of it in between...I've just read some of it. It amazes me that some QZ-ers pass themselves off as Queen Fans. They will fire off and get nasty about the slightest thing... They are aggresive bedsit Billy No-mates types, if you ask me. I spoke to a couple of my work colleagues about QZ, Queenonlive, BM.com, Breakthru, etc, a few other sites, and two of them said, "Don't bother with QZ because too many of them are only interested in bad feeling and moaning. You can't win with people like that - they won't listen, and they think they always know best." Words to that effect. I genuinely think that that is a real shame. Your site does not NEED that reputation. It could have a really healthy one. There are enough good and decent people on here,very clearly, and no doubt knowledgeable (which is not evident often enough because you go off into such trivial tangents most times), but some of you are just intent upon stirring up trouble. I would LOVE to see some really brilliant Queen threads on here - getting into the nitty gritty and heart of Queen music - something I too could get my teeth into and participate in... and my colleagues too, people who know MASSES of great things about Queen master recordings and rare mixes - stuff that only Producers and Engineers hear... things that are actually OUT THERE on LPs and CDS but which NONE of you have ever noticed... or me, by the way, until they told me. You would be staggered, but instead you get into minutia and stuff that progresses nothing. I mean... before i said a single word on here the other day, about info on Queen worldwide No 1's (which one of YOU posted up. I didn't even ask for that or know about it), some of you got really nasty and personal. I am lazy and you feel sorry for my wife and kids, GB is a wanker and... so on and so forth - according to these people that never do anything at all to better Queen product. That was the FIRST thing they could offer!!! WHY are these individuals tolerated. If they did not get peoples' backs up - like me, and those I work with, I would, and they would, be willing to tell you stuff that would interest you. BUT, instead, they now keep well away from QZ, and you guys and gals are really the only losers in that. OK, it's fun for some of you to have a good personal pop at lazy Greg The no good stupid Archivist, and then i react back too, and ultimately you get NOTHING out of me... you Queen 'fans'. There are some very spiteful people on here. I will go away now and return again in another year, probably, so it doesn't effect me either way. But myself and those I work with are happy to participate on most other sites, but NOT this one. What does that tell you? I think if you pulled this back into shape and outed those who clearly are not real fans - they are easy to spot simply by what they write and by what they do not know... you might find that GB and other people within Queen would play ball. Remember this... i asked you guys for help on Queen No 1's in the world, because you always complain that you never get asked about these things, by QPL or EMI. So.. when I do ask, which QPL thought was a good idea - you come back with "you lazy wanker" and "I feel sorry for his wife and kids". What do you think they made of that? It's not greatly impressive, is it. We, I, won't ask HERE again. We will go instead to a place where people talk to other people with respect. Where they don't say "I DETEST YOU" for no reason, and where, when asked, theydo actually want to help out for the betterment of the product. Please respond with something considered and intelligent and contructive. Thank you GB |
| That guy who digs energy domes 27.05.2006 12:00 |
That thread you started was seen as a personal attack by almost everyone who read it. I dont know TRS Romania but even if he did offend you, you could have been the bigger person and ignored it. Since you're now attacking minors too, dont expect to be taken seriously any time soon. |
| Erin 27.05.2006 12:06 |
I really don't understand why GB is getting so bent out of shape. It's just a damn notice board. |
| Serry... 27.05.2006 12:07 |
"Can a QUEEN ARCHIVIST Ask A Serious Question And Expect Respectful Replies?" Yes, you can and, in my opinion, you must ask us serious questions, since whatever someone thinks and told you about us - we have here several the best Queen experts. If your colleagues told you don't bother about guys like John S Stuart, Mr Scully, Sebastian, Bohardy, Zeni, YourValentine, Penetration_Guru, Sir GH, Rick, Adam (both of them), Jeroen, Ron, Wilki, Harry, Darren, Niek etc. etc. etc. (sorry I don't mention a lot of other guys!) - when I'd like to know who are the Queen experts for your colleagues... |
| Queen Archivist 27.05.2006 12:26 |
Paul McCartney Junior... What am I, a mind reader now? How the hell can I tell if someone having a go at me on this site is 15, 50 or 105? Be reasonable man, for pity sake. People who say nasty things, be them a minor or a pensioner, can expect people to react. I could have ignored it, yes, but instead I chose to put that particularly obnoxious individual right on a few things. Perhaps he might think twice before being so nasty to people he's never met in his life, next time? But i doubt it. And there you are defending his actions. He will learn nothing if you let him think that kind of thing is OK. Anyway.. the point of this thread is to offer something constructive or useful. ARE YOU GOING TO Macca? If it's going to just stay personal, you've completely missed the point. Re-read the original thread and see if you can offer Queen fans something other than another tedious go at me. TRS, Stephan, why not do the same. Surprise everyone with something really interesting about Queen. Genuine good luck to you. You might know a ton of stuff that few people are aware of, for all I know. I'd rather hear you talking about that, than my wife or kids please. seriously... what have you got to offer? HERE is the place for it. Go for your life! |
| john bodega 27.05.2006 12:27 |
Mister GB, if it is indeed you... You are most sincerely wasting your time. More stubborn, more determined people have tried winning arguments/changing points of view/rebuking the masses in this place and failed utterly. I don't know why you're bothering. If QZ is a waste of time, why post here? If the 'hundreds of helpful e-mails' that you've recieved are so helpful, shouldn't you be off putting them to good use? Look, maybe your job stresses you out, or maybe you're like me and can't stand arseholes on the internet poking fun at you, but really - give it up. It is not really worth it. Take it eeeasy. |
| Queen Archivist 27.05.2006 12:28 |
Serry. you COMPLETELY missed the point again. We KNOW there are GREAT EXPERTS on QZ. I said that!!! We know that. RE-READ my point and try again. D- for this attempt. Must try harder. |
| john bodega 27.05.2006 12:32 |
Queen Archivist wrote: Serry. you COMPLETELY missed the point again. We KNOW there are GREAT EXPERTS on QZ. I said that!!! We know that. RE-READ my point and try again. D- for this attempt. Must try harder.I dunno, he basically answered your question. Your subject equates to 'can I ask a serious question and get a good answer?' or some such, and Serry basically said 'yeah, there's people here who know what they're talking about'. If you want to bitch about the people here (like me) who aren't so worth talking to, shouldn't your thread be called "Queenzone is horrid"? I know all about this because I once started a thread saying this place sucked. Just... pick something to complain about and stick to it. PS. Can you upload a copy of Face it Alone? |
| Queen Archivist 27.05.2006 12:33 |
Zebonka12... Can you offer anything creative about Queen? Have you ever researched or written or unearthed ANYTHING at all about Queen that I, or others, would find interesting? Have you? Or... is it just snipes at me you can do??? SURELY you have more than that? No one is THAT shallow. I've invited you to give us something of your own that is useful. Now can you rise to the challenge. Yes or no? let's see it, hear it, read it. Shut up, or put up! |
| john bodega 27.05.2006 12:37 |
"Zebonka12..." Yes Mr. Brooks? "Can you offer anything creative about Queen? Have you ever researched or written or unearthed ANYTHING at all about Queen that I, or others, would find interesting? Have you?" I like their music. I like *some* of the people here who I feel that perhaps unfairly, you are picking on. I also *hate* a bunch of people here. Hahaha. "Or... is it just snipes at me you can do???" MATE I AM NOT SNIPING AT YOU, at least not at the moment. I'm just saying - take it easy. If you hate the place so much, keep your correspondance merely e-mail related. If we're so pathetic, why would you want to respond??? "SURELY you have more than that? No one is THAT shallow." You are making things up, look - I don't want to argue with you, you're thinking of someone else. "I've invited you to give us something of your own that is useful. Now can you rise to the challenge. Yes or no? let's see it, hear it, read it." This is not called "GregBrooks.com". It's QueenZone, I'm here to talk about Queen, I am freely allowed to do so until the administrator of the site tells me I can't. I have been rather nice to you haven't I? I only made the "Property of Queen Productions" joke once, and I've only said to you 'take it easy' because I agree with you - this place can be a waste of time. I was only saying - get back to what you're good at, if you hate it here so much. "Shut up, or put up!" Christ... You're the archivist. Why don't *you*?? |
| YourValentine 27.05.2006 12:37 |
"Can a QUEEN ARCHIVIST Ask A Serious Question And Expect Respectful Replies?" Of course he can - or should I say he could? I have not seen any serious question or post by a Queen archivist on this board. All I saw was bullying, arguing and insulting. You have a funny way to act like an internet troll and then point the finger to this board and complain. Don't worry about this notice board. I am proud to be a part of it - genuinely nice, intelligent and funny people post here. If some of your "colleagues" do not approve (if they exist), I could not care less. On this board all people are respected the same, semi-celebrity or not. This board has been proclaimed dead so many times I lost count. But still it's the only message board where people like you can spit their rage without being edited or banned. As to "real fans" - no fan needs your seal of approval to be a "real fan" If "real fan" means we are not allowed to voice our opinion if the "powers" don't agree, then I rather would not be a "real fan". Why do you think you are any better than anyone else here? Queen music is our hobby - we all earn our money somewhere else and we are here for fun. Apparently, you are a bit stressed out with your work, so maybe it would be better to go elsewhere for fun. However, if you want to be a part of this community and if you want to meet cool people here you are welcome like anyone else. But don't expect to be respected only because you are GB. Mainly, you have no authority to tell people to shut up. Not even the website owner would do that. |
| Hank H. 27.05.2006 12:38 |
I really can't believe what I read here. Mr Brooks, judging by your posts, you are clearly completely unable to conduct a conversation. Sadly, there is no use in trying to explain to you why, because either you don't get it or you don't want to. Your rants were a waste of time really. Honestly, I get the impression you suffer from a persecution complex. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 27.05.2006 12:41 |
Queen Archivist wrote: Paul McCartney Junior... What am I, a mind reader now? How the hell can I tell if someone having a go at me on this site is 15, 50 or 105? Be reasonable man, for pity sake.You can click on the profile name |
| john bodega 27.05.2006 12:42 |
Look I'll be as understanding and as fair as I can GB. * You say people have e-mailed you useful stuff. Can't you occupy yourself with that? Spend your time talking to those who sent it to you, etcetera? * You say that people here (myself included) are just time-wasting punks trying to annoy you. Why talk to us? * I myself really was just trying to defuse things. I don't think it's healthy for you to be so worked up over this crap. * Do you realise how bad it makes QP look when they have someone who works for them (self-employed or whatever you are) who comes on a forum and tells the fans that they suck? *Hate us* if you will, but come on - be a professional about it. |
| Serry... 27.05.2006 12:51 |
Queen Archivist wrote: Serry. you COMPLETELY missed the point again. We KNOW there are GREAT EXPERTS on QZ. I said that!!! We know that. RE-READ my point and try again. D- for this attempt. Must try harder.I did. Answer is the same. If you want to ask us about something - let's do it. Can you expect a respect from us? Yes, you can. But look, if you come on QZ for once during the year as you wrote few times although "We KNOW there are GREAT EXPERTS on QZ" - it's strange, isn't? So just ask us and give us chance to ask you something too. P.S. Just a quick example: link - I can't give the exact answer on that question, you can - I'm sure! - so do it! And they will respect you... |
| rocks. 27.05.2006 13:07 |
My GOD, why are you all getting your knickers in a twist (love that expression) over this!!! Everybody, including you Mr. Brooks, if that IS you, LET IT GO AND MOVE ON!!!!!! If you dont like us here, and there are no nitty gritty threads that you could sink your teeth into, the kind you apparently want, go find them somewhere else and stop caring about us. You put to much on some peoples opinion over the damn internet. |
| Bobby_brown 27.05.2006 13:31 |
Serry... wrote:I was about to ask the same question about "You´re the Only One" demo.Queen Archivist wrote: Serry. you COMPLETELY missed the point again. We KNOW there are GREAT EXPERTS on QZ. I said that!!! We know that. RE-READ my point and try again. D- for this attempt. Must try harder.I did. Answer is the same. If you want to ask us about something - let's do it. Can you expect a respect from us? Yes, you can. But look, if you come on QZ for once during the year as you wrote few times although "We KNOW there are GREAT EXPERTS on QZ" - it's strange, isn't? So just ask us and give us chance to ask you something too. P.S. Just a quick example: link - I can't give the exact answer on that question, you can - I'm sure! - so do it! And they will respect you... Let´s wait for an answer. But there´s one think that we should try to change at queenzone, it´s the amount of hate that some people put one their replys. I´m not even talking on this particulary episode about GB and Queenzone, but since the day Queen has decided to tour with Paul Rodgers that there has been a lot of hate on this board. Sometimes, a good thread is put to discussion but it´s indeed rare these days. I like Queenzone, but as Greg said, some experts don´t come here because they feel it´s useless to "win" an argue on this site. Now, were´re being told this, so what are we going to do about it? Let´s try to change something, instead of that "i´m honoured to be a Queenzoner" and if you don´t like why bother to reply!? I think the only thing these days that´s worth check on Queenzone is the sharing section, i mean God bless Queenzone for that!!- Really, we´re probably the best Queen sharing site on the Internet (that i´m aware of), but in the future if we don´t change nothing, most experts don´t even reply on this board and this will be a kids place arguing about Queen. I really think this is a good oportunity to try to change the rules, and if Greg is on Queenzone again and is willing to answer some questions, then this can bring other real experts on this board too. The inpression i had when this discussion started was the same as Greg, and i´m sorry to say, but i thought: "We complain everytime about not being consulted for the queen products, and when they finally ask the fans to help, we do this..." I really don´t know what´s behind this "war" in the first place, so, i understand that everyone has good reasons to behave like that, and i´m not judging this person ot that person! I´m just saying - let´s change something- because it doesn´t feel good anymore. Take care |
| Wiley 27.05.2006 13:41 |
Another tricky situation, right? I know that there's been some bad blood in the past between GB and Queenzone. But yes, I think the Queen Archivist can ask a serious Question over here and get respectful replies but I don't think he should be treated any different just because he is the Queen Archivist. This board, being unmoderated, can be used for many good or bad purposes. There are many good, intelligent Queen gurus over here and eventhough I think one or two of them (maybe both) could do a terrific job as Queen archivists, Greg is the official one. But we have to think about WHY do some people think so highly of these posters and so negatively about Greg Brooks. First of all, they are always open for dialog and discussion. Those ultimate collections by John S. Stuart or the Live Killers era threads by Sir GH, or Mr Scully's extensive information about Queen's concertography were built upon knowledge and research by them with the help of other people. Serry (another reliable source and good poster) listed some of other posters which are highly regarded as knowing their Queen stuff and being always willing to discuss. Mr. Brooks' earlier posts (I mean, back when he was GB) came out as being highly offensive to some people. This was this board's first impression of you, Mr. Brooks. You have to admit that you were not nice that time. Ever since, yes, there's been a negative preception of your attitude towards criticism. Let's not consider the usual Internet board bitching that comes and goes without moderation, in which you made the mistake to respond to. I particulary believe that this time that you came to this board you could have been more mature and take the negative comments lightly and try to focus on the good stuff. There ARE many Queen experts here and they are not Internet trolls (that I know of) or geeks and they don't have "sad lives", they just love Queen to bits. You should concentrate on that and ignore negativity by other posters (which is, by the way, increased by the way you address them). Many of the Queen gurus over here are not posting a lot because your topics usually start as a rant and end up being a waste of space. I really hope we could start over and get something positive about this. If I had some of the information you request I'd put it over here hoping that you could comment about it and see your perspective as Queen's official archivist. But in order to make this the bitching has to stop or maybe you can try to be the bigger man and ignore it for the sake of a good positive discussion. The answer to your question is: "Yes, the Queen archivist can ask a serious question expect respectful answers" but only if the Queen archivist is willing to behave in a mature way. You, of all posters, have an extra responsability because you are related to Queen Productions. You can't just lower yourself and pick on other people. I'm not sure if this is the right expression, you might get the idea that you are somehow superior and you are not. Some of those replies might be justified because they insulted you in some way, but YOU HAVE TO BE THE BIGGER MAN. If you had reacted differently in the past, you would be highly respected. Just think about it, you could have recieved 1700 helpful emails, not 170. If we are all willing to do this, we could have some very interesting discussion over here. Maybe your posts could even get their own space, if considered useful. But at the moment, sorry, they are crap. Stop the bitching... Think!... THEN discuss. I know it's possible. Sorry for the long post. Wiley |
| That guy who digs energy domes 27.05.2006 13:57 |
If you want ideas for an album, first note that we are getting sick of compilations. Then maybe make a thread asking for ideas for one. I read somewhere that a B-side album would be a good idea. Why not make an album of songs that didnt make the previous albums? |
| Jjeroen 27.05.2006 14:20 |
Okay people... This is getting childish both ways. Come on, let's shake hands and make a brand new start. Both parties were wrong. Some very right posts above. INCLUDING GB's post - he is right about the atmosphere on this board. This used to be a great board with a lot of expertise, creativity, wisdom and sence of humor even. And now indeed it has turned into a kindergarden with a lot of negative vibes most of the time. Then again I also have to agree on most Wiley said. Taking the Singels Collection box set to come: maybe we COULD try to work together. Try to make it a constructive thing - together we could come to something higher which could make both parties happier. Imagine how much fun it would be if we could manage to actually make the BEST out of the box set by working together? Because I personally I am quite excited about the set. As a 'music'-collector I've always been critical about the content of new releases, but I think that it is great to finally get all those tracks in remastered cd-quality. (And hopefully a NEW single! Take Love anyone??) Also as a record-collector I look forward to a hopefully beautifully packaged piece. An idea? Greg, are their any ideas on the packaging of the box yet? Would it be a nice idea, if the purpose of the box set is to contain ALL Queen's singles, to include images of actually ALL those singles. But I of course mean all the different picture sleeves available. To give the whole set an 'definitive' feel. Most images are already in QP's archives, of course. But I know that in here there would be several people that could help provide images of the REALY obscure ones. ...did I pass in trying to be upbeat and constructive... ? :-S ;-) |
| Lester Burnham 27.05.2006 14:39 |
Greg, do a search for "Ultimate Collection" or for "Lester's Album Discussion" threads. Those are some serious discussions. Read over those and tell us we aren't fans, then get back to me. edit: here are the links, just because the search function is sometimes tricky. Ultimate Collection: link Lester's Album Discussion (this links to the Jazz album, which is all I've gotten up to, but it contains links to other albums within): link Enjoy. edit 2: also, you never asked us what Queen's #1 singles were. You said that yourself. Now you're starting to contradict yourself. It was merely posted about on this board. I'm willing to start a meaningful conversation and discussion with you if you're willing to not resort to childish namecalling and are able to provide good information. But how can we provide good information ourselves if there's such a clampdown on information? You said that you can't compromise the box sets with such information as what songs 'Don't Say No', 'Banana Blues', and 'Under Dispute' were working titles for. How can that information compromise the box set? Knowing that information, I won't suddenly say, "Well gee, now that I know that, I won't buy the box set!" Not at all - I'll actually say, "Well cool, now I can't wait to hear that version of the song." You do possess the knowledge to help make some of those threads you mentioned worthwhile and enjoyable. I think you'll find that if you loosen up a bit, we're actually a pretty good bunch who like to talk about Queen. |
| rocks. 27.05.2006 14:39 |
jeroen wrote: ...did I pass in trying to be upbeat and constructive... ? :-S ;-)I would say so, yes :) |
| scallyuk 27.05.2006 14:43 |
Hi Greg , As one Self employed contractor to another I hope your clients pay their bills better than mine do. I think you were a little hard on people who don't fully understand the difference between a contractor and an employee but surely that's understandable as the Inland Revenue dont seem to either. In any case you are asking on behalf of the band and record companies so you are their representative here. They may not be able to sack you but they can terminate your contract. Anyway we are all customers of your client ( you were one too once) and I know that my contracts all define abusive behaviour to my client's customers as gross misconduct which can lead to instant termination. The customer isn't always right but ALWAYS deserves respect even when you do think they are an arse. Yes you can ask and recieve sensible replies on here, many of us do. However as with your Q&A on Queenonline.com there is a low tolerance level for questions which the answer should already be available. Your original message was lightheated and almost amusing - I believe that is how you intended it to be taken. Unfortunately as the Official archivist you are seen to have access to the resources which should contain the ultimate oracle about the band. QPL are a business and as with most businesses are responsible for their own record keeping. Whether they subcontract it out is another matter but you have access to what they have collected over the years. We believe rightly or wrongly that QPL have been careless with their own property, Master tapes have been lost, stolen, duplicated and sold without thought for future requirements. Many of us feel that we are being "ripped off", with compilation releases which rehash existing material (Greatest Hits, Platinum etc) I know they are not your responsibility and you don't have any say in what actually hits the streets but choosing to stick your head above the parapet and say - I'm paraphasing here - "HI guys, we want to sell you all the stuff you've already bought - again , but we want to make it look pretty . The problem is we don't actually know the truth about our own product" doesn't make you or QPL look good. I can't imagine any of my clients asking their customers for copies of records of what they were sold 20 years ago. It's surely embarrasing to admit that you're records are so crap that you don't know "in house". If you were asking for photos from shows, personal anecdotes or pictures of privately autographed items then I expect you would have got a better response. Sorry Greg but you're just the public face of a company that many of us are feeling disillusioned with. And maybe you recieved flak that wasn;t totally deserved, Hopefully this explains why (a little) Neil |
| Wiley 27.05.2006 14:52 |
Your post was very upbeat and positive, jeroen. Nice, hehe :). On the other hand, I don't think "Take love" should be on that box or for that matter, anything with Paul Rodgers' input. Maybe the new single could be an unreleased or reworked track with Freddie on vocals. Maybe that song that was eventually recorded by Anita Dobson (don't remember its name). I know this is not supposed to be a rarities set but you could pick the best (as in "more commercial") unreleased track and include it in the box. Knowing Queen Productions, there will be a "Best of the box" compilation type of album (as the 3 disc Freddie set) and I think it could be quite successful. More so if it included a new single with Freddie in it. Remember the Beatles "Real Love" and "Free as a bird"? I see Greg wants to know about Queen's #1 singles so maybe this will be the approach: the big singles box and an album with the #1's. But please, pretty please, NO 5ive, NO Wycleaf Jean. I kinda enjoyed those tracks but I don't think they should be in the box set. Just imagine about 20 minutes worth of 5ive's WWRY and the 5ive Megamix?? haha :) The packaging HAS to be AWESOME! At least for the 10CD set. The Freddie set was beutiful but I think I'd like something different for the Queen one. I'll try to think of some ideas and get back to you. See ya, Wiley |
| john bodega 27.05.2006 14:57 |
You know those kids books with the pictures that spring out into little standup cardboard things? How's about a foldout Freddie. Yeah. No but really - I miss 'inventive' packaging... my Mum had a copy of Alice Cooper's "School's Out" and the whole LP cover was this phoney school desk that folded out. It was the fucking best thing ever made. |
| LoftyGoal 27.05.2006 15:48 |
I would venture to say you are dealing with teenagers. And this is the internet, remember? Lowest common denominator. |
| MOANZONE TWAT 27.05.2006 16:00 |
GB, or whoever you are... I wrote this comment on your first thread... YoungStratMan wrote: I just wish that with my over $100,000 worth of Queen stuff i purchased throughout the years, and going to tons of concerts, buying cd's everytime they come out (even the not so good ones, and the DVD's that have the same compilied bs), i could get something like a rare concert on DVD, or maybe something rare on cd?? Isn't it owed to all of us deticated fans that have spent more on Queen than alot of ppl make in a years time? I have no disrepect to GB, but i just wish to stress the fact that us long time Queen fans want something new and good, not the same old bullshit like another volume to Greatest Hits or Greatest Video hits! We want old concerts & Rare unlreased material, i mean come on! And i do agree that GB shouldn't be expected to know every detail about Queen's #1's, ect., i have been a Fanatic for many of years, and knew Freddie, but i still don't know every damn thing about Queen, i wasn't in the band and neither was GB, and nobody has the time to sit all day and study Queen, and devote their whole life to Queen's discography, and Chronology. Just read things throughly before responding with hate mail about someone you DO NOT know personally. I don't know GB personally, i have met him, but i don't know exactly what everyone means when they make statements! Good day all, and try to refrain from flaming me for this, i have a life, so i really could care less what you write! :) You see i actually stuck up for you! But now, i dunno what to think of you personally. Are you actually going to say i am NOT a true Queen fan? hahaha sure. I am here to tell you that i have more than likely been to more Queen concerts and have more documentation than your full of errors and non-complete 'Concert Book', than you or maybe anyone here on QZ, so for you to ignore someone who has taken your side and offered much constructive criticism and taken a chance of their fellow queen fans to flame them for sticking up for someone like you, i just don't understand how you can be the same person that i met back in 95! Because that person would know that if you ever downgraded or insulted me in person, the results would be devastating to that person. Honestly i could care less about you being the Queen Archivist, big fucking deal! I own and operate 2 separate I.T. Related business' and have a Master's Degree in Information Technology, and 18 different I.T. Certifications, and between both companies, i employ around 550+ employee's, so for you to talk shit saying that ppl here are 'ignorant', or 'sods' or whatever childish language you have used, you are one to talk! And about your comment on "Self Employment", let me be the one to laugh my ass off at your obviously stupid answer to S.E! Number 1, you are NEVER you OWN boss! It may seem that way, but, NOT! Even though you have no immediate boss or manager, your client IS your boss! And if you want to argue with me, someone who has ran 2 multi-Million $ business' for years, then you are in fact the "Retard Archivist" Yes maybe i am being a little rude, but the world nor this site revolves around you! Your position in the whole Queen world does NOT in any way grant you the "big head" that you obviously have. I am not going to ever side with you after all of this, you call us childish when the fact of the matter is, do you see any of us taking the time to post a new whiney, and rude thread about you? Nobody cares about your silly full of errors and short cut Live book, or your stupid ass archives! Your position could be filled by just about anybody that can read! Before i close, i am not in any way trying to belittle you at all, just telling you to come down to earth and chill. You are employed by Queen or Queen Productions, and you need to just relize that, and WE are the ones who (as Brian once said) "Make the rocking world go round"! If it wasn't fo |
| Michael Allred 27.05.2006 16:11 |
This person can't possibly be the real Greg Brooks. If it is, he should be terminated from his work for Queen immediately. It's some of the worst fan interaction I have ever seen. |
| Penetration_Guru 27.05.2006 17:16 |
I'd be amazed if Gb's "job description" includes "maintaining a healthy reputation among Queen fans". I also think that he has a point about the standard of contributor on this site. It's gone way down, but we're all too close to see it. I wouldn't exactly hold QOL as a bastion of Queen knowledge either, but that's possibly an argument to be had there..... Greg, you can't win. You know this, the less brain-dead on here know it. But your work colleagues who browse the various Queen sites (a statement whose clear meaning has been overlooked by people in way too much of a hurry to have an argument) - do they really feel this site is significantly different in positivity to QOL? There are clearly some knowledgeable people (in general terms) on BOTH sites. The problem is that your best course of action was to identify and contact those people, thus bypassing the lowbrow department. Good luck. PS I never saw Freddie live either. Please don't over-generalise. |
| The Fairy King 27.05.2006 17:39 |
Agree with P_G, you're seriously wasting your time quarreling with these peeps, and your attitude isn't helping either. Just find the real experts, avoid the wannabes and carry on. I wish you luck. Now make haste. |
| brENsKi 27.05.2006 17:41 |
and i'll add my twopenneth worth... (if in fact you really are Greg Brooks) how pretentious and "up your own rectum" can you get? - first of all your choice of "nick" - "Queen Archivist" - just give yourself a real nick, not something that supposed to make everyone go "oooh fucking hell, we have royalty on board, everyone bow and scrape and mind you ghet your courtesy, and doffing the cap/touching the forelocks right" then (having called yourself "Queen Archivist" - you then feel the "self important need" to sign as "GB"....get real, like we don't know who you are..? there's only been ONE Archivist on here...and we know who he is...the self same someone who is responsible for "that book" - yes that one! - the abortion of an account of Queen on the road.... ffs, after that pile of literal excrement, many round here would've thought the last thing YOU would do is bring further attention to yourself... why didn't you pick a less conspicuous "nick" - like, say - Osama Bin Laden? |
| The Fairy King 27.05.2006 17:44 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: and i'll add my twopenneth worth... (if in fact you really are Greg Brooks) how pretentious and "up your own rectum" can you get? - first of all your choice of "nick" - "Queen Archivist" - just give yourself a real nick, not soemthign that supposed to make everyone go "oooh fucking hell, we have royalty on board, everyone bow and scrape and mind you ghet your courtesy, and doffing the cap/touching the forelocks right" then (havinf called yourself "Queen Archivist" - you then feel the "self important need" to sign as "GB"....get real, like we don't know who you are..? there's only been ONE Archivist on here...and we know who he is...the slef same someone who is responsible for "that book" - yes that one! - the abortion of an account of Queen on the road.... ffs, after that pile of literal excrement, many round here would've thought the last thing YOU would do is bring further attention to yourself... why didn't you pick a less conspicuous "nick" - like, say - Osama Bin Laden?AUCH! xD |
| rocks. 27.05.2006 18:17 |
Guys, theres no way this is Greg Brooks, the real one, come on. |
| InnuendoMay 27.05.2006 18:32 |
Queen Archivist wrote: Please respond with something considered and intelligent and contructive.And hopefully in proper English...GB added...To be honest mate, i'd have thought you were taking a risk coming here...half the people here are better than you and know it...John S Stuart (studio), Tatterdemalion (live), Mr Scully (live)...to name but a few of the people who contribute some interesting topics and information that we all get into, be it rare live songs or demos, we have great people who put ideas/facts/rumours forward to be discussed. Also, if you ask your serious question, and if you are respectful to us all, we shall be respectful and as helpful as possible in answering. |
| InnuendoMay 27.05.2006 18:34 |
Michael Allred wrote: This person can't possibly be the real Greg Brooks. If it is, he should be terminated from his work for Queen immediately. It's some of the worst fan interaction I have ever seen.Agreed, and i have never heard of GB interacting with fans, not yet anyway. And if he does, its obvious the man doesn't listen! |
| Maz 27.05.2006 19:05 |
Here are a few threads from when GB first came to QZ back in the Fall of 2004. Compare what GB posted then to what he has posted now if you doubt whether this is actually him and come to your own conclusions. link link link link link link There are more; just search for his old username of GB. Otherwise, I think Guru pretty much summed things up. If GB really wants better communication with fans, then he has to participate on a mature level and I'm sure there are many QZers willing to help. But the onus is on him at this point. |
| John S Stuart 27.05.2006 19:18 |
I hope that everyone in here notices that I have remained silent. For far too long - I blamed myself for all bad feeling. Now I see that I can sleep with easy conscience. |
| rocks. 27.05.2006 19:26 |
Hah, maybe it is him :P Somebody e-mail that address on Brian's site to see... |
| Pierre 27.05.2006 20:03 |
Sometimes i wonder how my life had been without Queen comunity. BM has his soapbox cant QZ change forums to A Night at the SoapOpera or something ! Friends will be friends ? |
| The Real Wizard 28.05.2006 00:41 |
John S Stuart wrote: I hope that everyone in here notices that I have remained silent. For far too long - I blamed myself for all bad feeling. Now I see that I can sleep with easy conscience.I most certainly noticed your absence, and you did the right thing. Sleep well, my friend. :) |
| john bodega 28.05.2006 00:56 |
I don't even care anymore, the guy is a troll. Archivist or none, it's most irregular behaviour! |
| TRS-Romania 28.05.2006 05:36 |
Greg you are misquoting me! You said : "TRS, Stephan,.......... You might know a ton of stuff that few people are aware of, for all I know. I'd rather hear you talking about that, than my wife or kids please." Have I said anything about your family, kids? Nope! Please correct this, because you are putting words in my mouth which I didnt say! |
| KillerQueen_1991 28.05.2006 08:18 |
Freddie is sleeply peacefully in Heaven and all you do is argue huh ? lol |
| radio_what's_new 28.05.2006 11:32 |
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| radio_what's_new 28.05.2006 11:45 |
radio_what's_new wrote:Queen Archivist wrote: Dear QZ-ers, We, I, won't ask HERE again. We will go instead to a place where people talk to other people with respect. Where they don't say "I DETEST YOU" for no reason, and where, when asked, theydo actually want to help out for the betterment of the product. Please respond with something considered and intelligent and contructive. Thank you GBI said I detested you, because: ( I detest people who call other people): -Plonkers -pleb -dick-heads -Simple people -shit head -weirdos -morons So don't tell me that I said this with no reason...You are complaining that I said I detest because you were throwing mud and calling people awfull names, and thats the exact reason why I said I detested you. I detested your behaviour...and that seems fair enough to me... I agree that it's about time to stop this childish way of communicating...from both ways....And I even understand your dissapointment at some of the reactions on here...but the best thing you can do is ignore the nasty words...be above it...If you will do that, and I think you can, and don't call people names etc.. than I am pretty sure that I can respect you... |
| TRS-Romania 28.05.2006 15:38 |
radio_what's_new: you are right , just look back at how mr Brooks used his words regarding me. But then again, in my opinion I stay pretty calm, and I am not tempted to "yell" back with the same type of expressions or words... I gues that DOES make many of us look more grown up. (No offence Greg ;-) ) ... Let's not get into the same "name calling" as GB was doing towards most of us. Let's use common language (even though we might not be tempted to)... GB has a point that some of us on Queenzone are using "certain" words/phrases/expressions that prove his point (althoug the name-calling was started by GB, let's not do the same) Stefan |
| S@turn 28.05.2006 17:38 |
still funny IF this man is GB, then why doesnt he answer the question of TRS and let the rest of the fuzz for what it is? It is Queenzone I am proud as well to be here and I stay tuned for the good people The rest is not important, but if (if it is) GB likes to spread some crocodile tears here we have next to a moral knight also a new drama queen here He seems to like it and as most of us know where the most flies gather.. there you have it back to essentials, but if you dont want that, you have your playground here as well, enjoy! |
| cmsdrums 28.05.2006 18:07 |
I'm not into personal slagging off of anyone, including GB, but it makes me chuckle that GB complains of people not taking Queen research seriously, yet several times in the past I have asked serious questions via the Q&A on Queenonline.com (such as certain dates of concerts etc..) and they haven't been replied to, yet he chose to answer inane questions such as 'who was the lady who sings on Barcelona' etc...etc..., seemingly just so that he can give a smartarsed reply. I'm sure that the bickering will die down, and sincerely hope that Greg will find some of the info he needs from the serious info sources of the site (I do hope that everything is accurate before the CD set comes out, unlike his 'definitive' live book with incorrect set lists etc..) |
| Togg 30.05.2006 04:09 |
Greg I am staggered to read your posts during the past few days, whilst I can see certain people have clearly hit a nerve with you I would have expected a more constructive and intelligent response than the one given. Why do you find it necessary to insult everybody that comments? there are if you look several very good posts and even an offer from John S Stuart to start a Q&A which sounded a very good idea to me, it might well lead to some of the answers you need! But no all I can see is three days of bickering and name calling, well you certainly know how to throw an insult! I am amazed, with so many young folk on this site that you feel it fit to not only lower the level of communication to that of a play ground. It is a great shame, you truly don't know how to behave in a manor that befits any person purportedly representing Queen Productions. I had hoped for a reasoned response, but it seems you are not capable of giving one. I suggest you either level this site for good, or post something useful, intelligent and in the 'real spirit' of Queenzone something that adds to the discussion here, which is very good normally! |
| Poo, again 30.05.2006 16:34 |
I don't know, I really don't see the bad things that this Queen archivist sees on QZ? |
| brENsKi 30.05.2006 17:52 |
certainly you can ask....especially if the question is "can you show me where the exit door is?" |
| Suigi 30.05.2006 18:03 |
Greg, You wanted a reasonable response? I'll be happy to help. It's true that there's a lot of undeserved animosity between the better chunk of QZ and you. People flinging insults every which way, trying to talk over one another and twist each other's words...it reminds me of a few programs on Fox News. In any case, I think the main problem here resides with all of us. We take these ad hominem attacks too seriously. 1. It's a FUCKING MESSAGE BOARD, not the London Times or CNN. This is just a message board on some small corner of cyberspace, where people are prone to making silly comments. 2. The person who attacked you: Do you know him/her personally? Do you care about them deeply? Do you really value their opinions? No? Well, then FUCK 'EM! Fuck 'em and fuck what they say about you, because if you don't know them, they probably don't know you, and thus, nothing they say should have ANY value. 3. Think before you post. It'll save people a lot of aggrevation. (I'm not, but then again, I'll be the exception to the rule ;) ) And Greg, to be perfectly honest, I'll be more than happy to dig up some info on Queen's singles and which hit #1 where. Wikipedia is not the best source of information, and with a little free time on my hands, I'll do it. Heck, why aren't more people? If a regular ol' schmuck like me asked "does anyone know which Queen singles went to #1 and where?", I'd get a decent response. But if Greg Brooks, the Queen Archivist, asks the same question, he gets char-broiled. Guys, Greg is mortal, just as you and I are. We can only know so much about one subject, and on occasion, we need help. I may know a ton about the subways and transit here in Toronto (don't ask), but I still need help on occasion. Can we please just get along and stop all this useless banter? It's not getting us any closer to a Singles Boxset, and it's not getting me any closer to buying one. |
| Queen Archivist 02.06.2006 20:17 |
To Togg... WHO WROTE: I am amazed, with so many young folk on this site that you feel it fit to not only lower the level of communication to that of a play ground. I RESPECTFULLY POINT OUT: In the 2 years or so I have been 'involved' with QZ, I have been referred to a fuckwit, cock-sucker, wanker, tosser, shit-for-brains, lazy bastard, and many variations of Fuck, Fucker, fucking, and also the 'C' word. If you go looking you will find them. There were many such examples last time I was here (which I guess are still here, somewhere) and all the recent ones are here too - large as life for YOU to spot. Also remaining is someone's suggestion that I be covered in gasoline and set on fire!!!! A lovely image for your young readers Togg!! ALL THESE THINGS, Togg, ARE STILL HERE FOR THE YOUNG READERS YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT to see and ponder. You must have seen them, or some of them because they LITTER the threads where people refer to me... and indeed to numerous others as well. I think you are having a massive joke, saying what you're saying. You simply cannot be serious. Lots of the QZ-ers use the F word all the time, and cock-sucker and C**T, tosser, wanker... everything. You have a damned cheek having a go at ME for it, while ignoring all the other QZ-ers that surely must offend the sensitive youngsters on this site 200% more than I ever could. YOU ALSO SAY: But no all I can see is three days of bickering and name calling, well you certainly know how to throw an insult! TOGG... You should review what litters QZ in the way of insults and nastiness and crude and vile language (aimed at all kinds of people, not just me), because you need to get a REALISTIC overview of the problem you have flagged Togg. You seriously do. If you are going to raise a good and valid point, Togg, I suggest you dig a bit first, so that you don't make yourself look foolish. Have a word with yourself!! GB |
| john bodega 03.06.2006 00:06 |
Queen Archivist wrote: To Togg... fuckwit, cock-sucker, wanker, tosser, shit-for-brains, lazy bastard, Fuck, Fucker, fucking, 'C' word. cock-sucker C**T, tosser, wanker...GB, please tone down your language, this is hardly appropriate. Look, even if I agree with you, you'll probably just bitch and moan and say I'm wrong, but anyway: If Queenzone is so useless to you, *why are you still posting here*? Can you answer this? Please, just tell me - would it not be better to quit posting here and pushing better topics off the front page? The ones that send you 'useful' stuff will keep sending you said information - heck they might send you more if you quit trolling the forum. |
| The Real Wizard 03.06.2006 00:13 |
Queen Archivist wrote: If you are going to raise a good and valid point, Togg, I suggest you dig a bit first, so that you don't make yourself look foolish.You say that as if you don't see how you have been looking foolish (to put it mildly) over your various stays here. Do you actually think you're speaking tactfully, and that others respect you for the way you act? During this most recent diatribe, you have yet to answer a Queen-related question. All you've done here is insult others. You are an official representative of Queen Productions, and this is the way you act on a public forum? What an absolute disgrace. I really have no idea what you're trying to accomplish here. Maybe you could fill us in. |
| radio_what's_new 03.06.2006 00:25 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:couldn't agree moreQueen Archivist wrote: If you are going to raise a good and valid point, Togg, I suggest you dig a bit first, so that you don't make yourself look foolish.You say that as if you don't see how you have been looking foolish (to put it mildly) over your various stays here. Do you actually think you're speaking tactfully, and that others respect you for the way you act? During this most recent diatribe, you have yet to answer a Queen-related question. All you've done here is insult others. You are an official representative of Queen Productions, and this is the way you act on a public forum? What an absolute disgrace. I really have no idea what you're trying to accomplish here. Maybe you could fill us in. |
| Suigi 03.06.2006 13:52 |
...totally ignored... |
| Q-Nick 03.06.2006 14:28 |
Queen Archivist wrote: I think you are having a massive joke, saying what you're saying. You simply cannot be serious.Read your book, then say this seriously. |
| Asterik 03.06.2006 16:15 |
No, I don't think repsectful replies can be given because the original plea was utterly ridiculous. It sums up all that is bad about Queen Productions and Queen online. It's a sorry state of affairs when an archivist for a band has to ask fans for help like that. Queen were a great band who deserve a lot better than this. |
| Deacons 1st Choice 03.06.2006 21:52 |
Guys.... Greg stated that he has recieved many inquires in the past as to why he does'nt ask fans for info and why he does'nt involve them more. So here is is...finally doing what he thinks the fans would like and what happens? He gets shot down like a passenger pigeon. Now i will admit that when he first came on here, he gave a lot of people the impression of being a bit heavy-handed and "above us" all. Naturally this turned a lot of people off and enraged others to no end. Well, keep in mind that sometimes a persons' tone or sense of humour has a hard time coming across in simple text posted on a message forum. Now i'm not trying to stand up for Greg, just trying to let folks see a alternative view to this situation. He's just a chap trying to do the job QP pays him to do, which is to compile, organize, and record on paper what exsists in the mountain of Queen related recordings that are collecting dust in many places. It's a huge task....very boring and tedious at times...and not glamourous all the time i'm sure. He does'nt have any secret "edge" over anyone else, and he does'nt have magical powers to conjur up dream releases many fans would wet their pants over. He's just a ordinary chap like us who works on what he is asked to do from QP and then works on his own side projects ( publications of many sorts). It's too bad this apparent conflict between the fan communtiy and Greg has resulted in what we have been seeing on here for the past few days. Instead of contructive chat all that is happeneing is a bloody Soap Opera and loads disgruntled insults. Enough already..... Well, carry on. I just hope this all ends on a positive note for everyone, Greg included. ( Wow....can't beleive i just said all this........) |
| Togg 05.06.2006 07:56 |
Queen Archivist wrote: To Togg... WHO WROTE: I am amazed, with so many young folk on this site that you feel it fit to not only lower the level of communication to that of a play ground. I RESPECTFULLY POINT OUT: In the 2 years or so I have been 'involved' with QZ, I have been referred to a fuckwit, cock-sucker, wanker, tosser, shit-for-brains, lazy bastard, and many variations of Fuck, Fucker, fucking, and also the 'C' word. If you go looking you will find them. There were many such examples last time I was here (which I guess are still here, somewhere) and all the recent ones are here too - large as life for YOU to spot. Also remaining is someone's suggestion that I be covered in gasoline and set on fire!!!! A lovely image for your young readers Togg!! ALL THESE THINGS, Togg, ARE STILL HERE FOR THE YOUNG READERS YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT to see and ponder. You must have seen them, or some of them because they LITTER the threads where people refer to me... and indeed to numerous others as well. I think you are having a massive joke, saying what you're saying. You simply cannot be serious. Lots of the QZ-ers use the F word all the time, and cock-sucker and C**T, tosser, wanker... everything. You have a damned cheek having a go at ME for it, while ignoring all the other QZ-ers that surely must offend the sensitive youngsters on this site 200% more than I ever could. YOU ALSO SAY: But no all I can see is three days of bickering and name calling, well you certainly know how to throw an insult! TOGG... You should review what litters QZ in the way of insults and nastiness and crude and vile language (aimed at all kinds of people, not just me), because you need to get a REALISTIC overview of the problem you have flagged Togg. You seriously do. If you are going to raise a good and valid point, Togg, I suggest you dig a bit first, so that you don't make yourself look foolish. Have a word with yourself!! GBHa, you seem to be unable to write without lowering the tone don't you, I think if anyone here is looking foolish it's you Greg. I certainly don't agree with all the names you get called, however, I had hoped that being that you are (effectively) representing QP here you might try to rise above it and behave in maybe the same way a grown up would? just a suggestion but I can't see Brian writing on a message board to the same way you do, but then that's because he is a well rounded well educated individual! Lets see if you can manage to respond without uttering a four letter word.... I know it's going to be difficult. If you want to be taken seriously I suggest another tack, I always find by treating people in the way I would wish to be treated I get a better response, but then I don't have the massive chip you seem to have. Two suggestions, try to join in without behaving like a sulky 5 year old And when you publish your work, don't do it until you are sure of the facts, you have the resources!! then you might get taken seriously. Just sit back and ask yourself why do you get all this flack? could it be the way you treat people? Could it be that when people have offer assistance you've mocked and belittled them? see i have been around a long time, I do know what people have said to you, and I can remember far enough back to when it all started, can you? Wise up and treat people with a little more care and respect, you might find you get a lot further in life, but if all you aim to do is compile the successes of others, than I guess you've reached your own pinacle of success. |
| The Real Wizard 05.06.2006 14:01 |
Greg post, Togg. |
| Kilpat1 05.06.2006 15:56 |
This whole thing is a joke. Theres a war going on in Iraq, people dieing daily and all you wanna do is give this guy (GB) crap. If people have nothing better to do then sit here and call Greg names and bicker about the job he is doing then really you should look for another hobby. Im sure If Greg had his way, things would be different such as what is released info and product wise to fans worldwide. He listens most likely to what Jim and the others at QP tell him. He came on here asking a question for the singles box and the site erupts. Grow up everyone! |
| Wiley 05.06.2006 16:41 |
I don't think this is about Greg's work at all. At least, not at the moment. Yes, I agree this site overreacted to Greg's question about the singles (which wasn't posted by him and it wasn't in this site) but Greg's problem with QZ is older than this. In the end, it's all about Greg's attitude toward other posters. I'm sure he's a nice chap in person and has a witty sense of humour but it looks like this humour doesn't translate very well into text (the all capitals text didn't help). He has also been very rude and has attacked some QZ posters directly on other occasions. Many people complain about his work (or lack of), particulary the many mistakes in the reissue of his book but I don't think this has been the main issue all this time. I could be wrong, though... :S Wiley |
| Asterik 10.06.2006 14:18 |
Kilpat1 wrote: This whole thing is a joke. Theres a war going on in Iraq, people dieing daily and all you wanna do is give this guy (GB) crap. If people have nothing better to do then sit here and call Greg names and bicker about the job he is doing then really you should look for another hobby. Im sure If Greg had his way, things would be different such as what is released info and product wise to fans worldwide. He listens most likely to what Jim and the others at QP tell him. He came on here asking a question for the singles box and the site erupts. Grow up everyone!Don't give that nonsense about Iraq. Iraq has nothing to do with it- it's about archivists being too indolent to find out information for themselves. |
| john bodega 10.06.2006 15:36 |
Kilpat1 wrote: This whole thing is a joke. Theres a war going on in Iraq, people dieing daily and all you wanna do is give this guy (GB) crap. If people have nothing better to do then sit here and call Greg names and bicker about the job he is doing then really you should look for another hobby. Im sure If Greg had his way, things would be different such as what is released info and product wise to fans worldwide. He listens most likely to what Jim and the others at QP tell him. He came on here asking a question for the singles box and the site erupts. Grow up everyone!And so, self-righteous wankers like you still have time in your colossal daily schedule to come here and tell us we're wasting our time? I think I love you. hahaha. |
| TRS-Romania 30.09.2006 17:35 |
Greg Brooks has a problem which is: Dissocial-Narcistic-Paranoid- Antisocial Personality Disorder Personality disorder, usually coming to attention because of a gross disparity between behaviour and the prevailing social norms, and characterized by - very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression - callous unconcern for the feelings of others - gross and persistent attitude of irresponsi- bility and disregard for social norms, rules and obligations - persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults, injuries, or slights - perceives attacks on his or her character and is quick to react angrily or to counterattack - displays rapidly shifting and shallow expression of emotions - shows self-dramatization, theatricality, and exaggerated _expression of emotion - shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes - markedly dysharmonious attitudes and behaviour, involving usually several areas of functioning, e.g. affectivity, arousal, impulse control, ways of perceiving and thinking, and style of relating to others |