QueenZone discussion #755305

Haystacks Calhoun wrote: They were good for their time, not great. The single best thing that Nirvana did was end the Hair Metal era.

Mr.Jingles wrote: I like Nirvana, but I'll agree that they along with The Doors are extremely overated. Somehow we never saw Kurt Cobain and Jim Morrison being forced to re-invent the sound of their albums. Would they pull it out successfully, or rather stuck to fade into obscurity? Nobody knows for sure what would have happened.

Dark_Dreamer wrote: Yeah but Nirvana were an amazing band though...

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote: Nirvana wouldnt have been Nirvana if he didnt die.

Dark_Dreamer wrote: Yeah but Nirvana were an amazing band though...

<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote:

Dark_Dreamer wrote: Yeah but Nirvana were an amazing band though...

Mediocre band, they were just lucky they existed when they did. Five years earlier or later, and they would never have been big.

<font color=red>Flash! wrote: Yeah, RIP and all that. But he could hardly spell FREDDIE. Freddie Freddie Freddie Freddie....aww, bless him!

wstüssyb wrote: Be nice if something killed hip hop.

iGSM wrote: Is rap not different from hip hop?

wstüssyb wrote: Every one says that MTV killed videos

wstüssyb wrote: Not jealous. Just tired of it, when 8 out of 10 new bands is hip hop that means it is time for something new. Every one says that MTV killed videos, I think it was hip hop, all those videos are the same thing.

Haystacks Calhoun wrote: Sorry.... Kurt Cobain = Very Over-Rated He simply did not have the brains, literally, to handle his success.

<B>Brokeback Queen <h6>onelonelypussycat wrote:

<font color=red>Flash! wrote: Yeah, RIP and all that. But he could hardly spell FREDDIE. Freddie Freddie Freddie Freddie....aww, bless him!

Flash, you are too hilarious!!! You talking about when he mentioned him in the suicide note...Yeah, at the point, I thing the correct english was probably the last thing on the poop guy's mind.... but stil a very sad ending to his life, a very misunderstood person...

Ravenetta wrote: they also talk about their money they have and how rich they are now, having more 'bitches' and what a horrible life they came frome when most just grew up in the suburbs.

billycat wrote:

wstüssyb wrote: Every one says that MTV killed videos

I always thought people had said Mtv killed radio. They were all about video and video is far from dead.

Mr Faron Hyte wrote:

billycat wrote:

wstüssyb wrote: Every one says that MTV killed videos

I always thought people had said Mtv killed radio. They were all about video and video is far from dead.

I think it may be a reference to the fact that MTV essentially stopped playing music videos several years ago in favor of all of its crappy original programming, like The Real World, Jackass, Viva La Bam, Pimp My Ride, Cribs, Date My Mom, Made, and on and on. And its sister channel VH-1 essentially did the same thing, although I think they play more music videos in their graveyard hours than MTV does. So the short form music video, which MTV brought ot the masses for a decade or so, really doesn't have a lot of venues to be widely seen anymore, and in that context, MTV has killed the music video format.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: It was also 12 years ago that the Rwanda massacres were going on. Guess who's going to be in the newspapers today? Two years ago was the tenth anniversary of both events. The front page of my local newspapser had a big picture of Kurt, and there was a corner article on page 14 commemorating the massacres. The media makes me sick.

<font color=green>Linda Of The Valley wrote:

billycat wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: I like Nirvana, but I'll agree that they along with The Doors are extremely overated. Somehow we never saw Kurt Cobain and Jim Morrison being forced to re-invent the sound of their albums. Would they pull it out successfully, or rather stuck to fade into obscurity? Nobody knows for sure what would have happened.

While I do enjoy Jim Morrison I would admit that he gets over-rated quite a bit. The Doors as a band is another story.

I agree. Jim Morrison is unbelievably over-rated. Loads of people go around with t-shirts of him and they don't even know many songs by him and The Doors. The Doors themself though, as you said, are a different story. Anywho, I don't understand this whole 'bash Kurt Cobain' cos I think he was a legend. And for those who know nothing about him and simply say 'ooh, he didn't spell Freddie right' - please get a life. R.I.P Kurt

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: The media makes me sick.

Brian_Mays_Wig wrote: Bloody ell thats weird. Ive had Nevermind on today for the first time in months!

<font color=green>Linda Of The Valley wrote: I don't get your arguement. Is there ANY valid point in that??? :S So if I think person X is crap I just compare them to Britney Spears and it makes person X fucking crap? *rolls eyes* I don't really want to get too into this right now. Mostly because I don't have the time right now, but also because I agree in opinions. If you don't like him and his music and Nirvana then fine. Perhaps I abused the 'legend' word because maybe he isn't a legend. But he sure is a great artist. See this is the trouble with Queen fans. In their minds they probably compare everyone to Freddie.

Mr.Jingles wrote:

wstüssyb wrote: Not jealous. Just tired of it, when 8 out of 10 new bands is hip hop that means it is time for something new. Every one says that MTV killed videos, I think it was hip hop, all those videos are the same thing.

AMEN William! Most Hip-hop videos are nothing but the same shit repeated over and over again... - All hip-hop videos start in slow motion. - Rapper and posse arrive at a party in a luxurious car with rims. - They arrive to be greeted by other posse members - There's close up shots of chicks shaking their big booties - They're partying at either a jacuzzi or a swimming pool - Rapper gives a shout out to his record company. - Rapper disses a rapper he has a feud with. Chris Rock was right when he mentioned that rap can no longer be defended on an intelectual level.

<B>Brokeback Queen <h6>onelonelypussycat wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote:

wstüssyb wrote: Not jealous. Just tired of it, when 8 out of 10 new bands is hip hop that means it is time for something new. Every one says that MTV killed videos, I think it was hip hop, all those videos are the same thing.

AMEN William! Most Hip-hop videos are nothing but the same shit repeated over and over again... - All hip-hop videos start in slow motion. - Rapper and posse arrive at a party in a luxurious car with rims. - They arrive to be greeted by other posse members - There's close up shots of chicks shaking their big booties - They're partying at either a jacuzzi or a swimming pool - Rapper gives a shout out to his record company. - Rapper disses a rapper he has a feud with. Chris Rock was right when he mentioned that rap can no longer be defended on an intelectual level.

As sad is this is...I'm gonna go ahead....and AGREE WITH YOU!!! Yeah, its sad, music is in a sad state nowadays...

willem-jan wrote:

<B>Brokeback Queen <h6>onelonelypussycat wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote:

wstüssyb wrote: Not jealous. Just tired of it, when 8 out of 10 new bands is hip hop that means it is time for something new. Every one says that MTV killed videos, I think it was hip hop, all those videos are the same thing.

AMEN William! Most Hip-hop videos are nothing but the same shit repeated over and over again... - All hip-hop videos start in slow motion. - Rapper and posse arrive at a party in a luxurious car with rims. - They arrive to be greeted by other posse members - There's close up shots of chicks shaking their big booties - They're partying at either a jacuzzi or a swimming pool - Rapper gives a shout out to his record company. - Rapper disses a rapper he has a feud with. Chris Rock was right when he mentioned that rap can no longer be defended on an intelectual level.

As sad is this is...I'm gonna go ahead....and AGREE WITH YOU!!! Yeah, its sad, music is in a sad state nowadays...

I don't agree on your last statement. The versatility nowadays is enourmous. Music from all over the world is easily accesible. The number of live shows is huge, there's way too many choises. It's just the media that pick up the "high-lights", but if you look behind all the hit-lists, there is so much more. It's just a pity that the general public is so damned narrow minded when it comes to music.

Musicman wrote:

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: It was also 12 years ago that the Rwanda massacres were going on. Guess who's going to be in the newspapers today? Two years ago was the tenth anniversary of both events. The front page of my local newspapser had a big picture of Kurt, and there was a corner article on page 14 commemorating the massacres. The media makes me sick.

Well, the media's really about what the mass public finds interesting, not about what an esoteric group of people personally find interesting. To be honest, neither really interests me, but it's a lot easier to poke fun at Cobain.

<font color=green>Linda Of The Valley wrote:

billycat wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: I like Nirvana, but I'll agree that they along with The Doors are extremely overated. Somehow we never saw Kurt Cobain and Jim Morrison being forced to re-invent the sound of their albums. Would they pull it out successfully, or rather stuck to fade into obscurity? Nobody knows for sure what would have happened.

While I do enjoy Jim Morrison I would admit that he gets over-rated quite a bit. The Doors as a band is another story.

I agree. Jim Morrison is unbelievably over-rated. Loads of people go around with t-shirts of him and they don't even know many songs by him and The Doors. The Doors themself though, as you said, are a different story. Anywho, I don't understand this whole 'bash Kurt Cobain' cos I think he was a legend. And for those who know nothing about him and simply say 'ooh, he didn't spell Freddie right' - please get a life. R.I.P Kurt

I don't understand how you don't understand the whole 'bash Kurt Cobain' thing. You don't question the bashing of rap, do you? Just as mainstream rap is comprised of talentless gimps making undeserved millions with unwarranted popularity, so the same could be said about Kurt Cobain. Cobain? A legend? Yeah, I guess. Then so are the New Kids on the Block, the Backstreet Boys, and *NSYNC. Let's not forget about Britney Spears. And I guess 50 Cent is a legend in the making. How privileged I feel to have lived and to be living in a time when such legends are being born.

<font color="#FF00CC">its_a_hard_life wrote: Look yeah, wether he was shit or not the man should be aloud to rest in peace, right?

Alex Solan wrote:

matiasmay wrote: ooh I'm sooo sorry ¬¬ that guy sucked

ahsisi Long Life to Dave Grohl.

rogerette_13 wrote: R.I.P Kurt, his music ROCKED and he totally deserved the Legend status. He's an inspiration and anyone who says otherwise should definatly go away and sit and listen to the Greatest Hits and then come back to me.

rogerette_13 wrote: R.I.P Kurt, his music ROCKED and he totally deserved the Legend status. He's an inspiration and anyone who says otherwise should definatly go away and sit and listen to the Greatest Hits and then come back to me.

<font color=green>Linda Of The Valley wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Musicman wrote:

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: It was also 12 years ago that the Rwanda massacres were going on. Guess who's going to be in the newspapers today? Two years ago was the tenth anniversary of both events. The front page of my local newspapser had a big picture of Kurt, and there was a corner article on page 14 commemorating the massacres. The media makes me sick.

Well, the media's really about what the mass public finds interesting, not about what an esoteric group of people personally find interesting. To be honest, neither really interests me, but it's a lot easier to poke fun at Cobain.

<font color=green>Linda Of The Valley wrote:

billycat wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: I like Nirvana, but I'll agree that they along with The Doors are extremely overated. Somehow we never saw Kurt Cobain and Jim Morrison being forced to re-invent the sound of their albums. Would they pull it out successfully, or rather stuck to fade into obscurity? Nobody knows for sure what would have happened.

While I do enjoy Jim Morrison I would admit that he gets over-rated quite a bit. The Doors as a band is another story.

I agree. Jim Morrison is unbelievably over-rated. Loads of people go around with t-shirts of him and they don't even know many songs by him and The Doors. The Doors themself though, as you said, are a different story. Anywho, I don't understand this whole 'bash Kurt Cobain' cos I think he was a legend. And for those who know nothing about him and simply say 'ooh, he didn't spell Freddie right' - please get a life. R.I.P Kurt

I don't understand how you don't understand the whole 'bash Kurt Cobain' thing. You don't question the bashing of rap, do you? Just as mainstream rap is comprised of talentless gimps making undeserved millions with unwarranted popularity, so the same could be said about Kurt Cobain. Cobain? A legend? Yeah, I guess. Then so are the New Kids on the Block, the Backstreet Boys, and *NSYNC. Let's not forget about Britney Spears. And I guess 50 Cent is a legend in the making. How privileged I feel to have lived and to be living in a time when such legends are being born.

Sorry dude, but I have to strongly disagree with you on that one.
I agree that Nirvana was overated (taking the fact that some critics put them in the same level with Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, and Queen) but putting them at the same level with contemporary mainstrem rappers and fabricated bubblegum pop stars is just dumb.
Nirvana was a very good band, and the fact that one band opens the door to a movement that totally changes the whole music scene takes a lot of talent. The general public agreed that it was time for a new sound despite of the high popularity of hair rock by the early 90s. There's no denying that 'Nevermind' was an incredibly well crafted album that introduced a new rock genre to an audience that heard nothing but hard rock anthems and power ballads.
The irony of all of this is that unlike many artists who dream of making it big, and having tons of money, Kurt Cobain seemed happy enough being part of the underground Seattle music scene and never inteded to become part of the mainstream or become the kind that follows trends.
All of sudden Nirvana starts to spread by word of mouth, and one of their biggest fans before hitting it big happened to be Axl Rose (who even wears a Nirvana cap on the 'Don't Cry' video). Nirvana signs with David Geffen and from the moment that 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' video hit MTV everybody liked it.
One of the reasons why Nirvana became so popular was because people were already fed up with the whole R

<b><font color="green">The Fairy King wrote:

rogerette_13 wrote: R.I.P Kurt, his music ROCKED and he totally deserved the Legend status. He's an inspiration and anyone who says otherwise should definatly go away and sit and listen to the Greatest Hits and then come back to me.

I know most of his hits and i say he doesn't deserve the legend status.

<font color=green>Linda Of The Valley wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Musicman wrote:

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: It was also 12 years ago that the Rwanda massacres were going on. Guess who's going to be in the newspapers today? Two years ago was the tenth anniversary of both events. The front page of my local newspapser had a big picture of Kurt, and there was a corner article on page 14 commemorating the massacres. The media makes me sick.

Well, the media's really about what the mass public finds interesting, not about what an esoteric group of people personally find interesting. To be honest, neither really interests me, but it's a lot easier to poke fun at Cobain.

<font color=green>Linda Of The Valley wrote:

billycat wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: I like Nirvana, but I'll agree that they along with The Doors are extremely overated. Somehow we never saw Kurt Cobain and Jim Morrison being forced to re-invent the sound of their albums. Would they pull it out successfully, or rather stuck to fade into obscurity? Nobody knows for sure what would have happened.

While I do enjoy Jim Morrison I would admit that he gets over-rated quite a bit. The Doors as a band is another story.

I agree. Jim Morrison is unbelievably over-rated. Loads of people go around with t-shirts of him and they don't even know many songs by him and The Doors. The Doors themself though, as you said, are a different story. Anywho, I don't understand this whole 'bash Kurt Cobain' cos I think he was a legend. And for those who know nothing about him and simply say 'ooh, he didn't spell Freddie right' - please get a life. R.I.P Kurt

I don't understand how you don't understand the whole 'bash Kurt Cobain' thing. You don't question the bashing of rap, do you? Just as mainstream rap is comprised of talentless gimps making undeserved millions with unwarranted popularity, so the same could be said about Kurt Cobain. Cobain? A legend? Yeah, I guess. Then so are the New Kids on the Block, the Backstreet Boys, and *NSYNC. Let's not forget about Britney Spears. And I guess 50 Cent is a legend in the making. How privileged I feel to have lived and to be living in a time when such legends are being born.

Sorry dude, but I have to strongly disagree with you on that one.
I agree that Nirvana was overated (taking the fact that some critics put them in the same level with Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, and Queen) but putting them at the same level with contemporary mainstrem rappers and fabricated bubblegum pop stars is just dumb.
Nirvana was a very good band, and the fact that one band opens the door to a movement that totally changes the whole music scene takes a lot of talent. The general public agreed that it was time for a new sound despite of the high popularity of hair rock by the early 90s. There's no denying that 'Nevermind' was an incredibly well crafted album that introduced a new rock genre to an audience that heard nothing but hard rock anthems and power ballads.
The irony of all of this is that unlike many artists who dream of making it big, and having tons of money, Kurt Cobain seemed happy enough being part of the underground Seattle music scene and never inteded to become part of the mainstream or become the kind that follows trends.
All of sudden Nirvana starts to spread by word of mouth, and one of their biggest fans before hitting it big happened to be Axl Rose (who even wears a Nirvana cap on the 'Don't Cry' video). Nirvana signs with David Geffen and from the moment that 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' video hit MTV everybody liked it.
One of the reasons why Nirvana became so popular was because people were already fed up with the whole R

Musicman wrote:

<font color=green>Linda Of The Valley wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Musicman wrote:

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: It was also 12 years ago that the Rwanda massacres were going on. Guess who's going to be in the newspapers today? Two years ago was the tenth anniversary of both events. The front page of my local newspapser had a big picture of Kurt, and there was a corner article on page 14 commemorating the massacres. The media makes me sick.

Well, the media's really about what the mass public finds interesting, not about what an esoteric group of people personally find interesting. To be honest, neither really interests me, but it's a lot easier to poke fun at Cobain.

<font color=green>Linda Of The Valley wrote:

billycat wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: I like Nirvana, but I'll agree that they along with The Doors are extremely overated. Somehow we never saw Kurt Cobain and Jim Morrison being forced to re-invent the sound of their albums. Would they pull it out successfully, or rather stuck to fade into obscurity? Nobody knows for sure what would have happened.

While I do enjoy Jim Morrison I would admit that he gets over-rated quite a bit. The Doors as a band is another story.

I agree. Jim Morrison is unbelievably over-rated. Loads of people go around with t-shirts of him and they don't even know many songs by him and The Doors. The Doors themself though, as you said, are a different story. Anywho, I don't understand this whole 'bash Kurt Cobain' cos I think he was a legend. And for those who know nothing about him and simply say 'ooh, he didn't spell Freddie right' - please get a life. R.I.P Kurt

I don't understand how you don't understand the whole 'bash Kurt Cobain' thing. You don't question the bashing of rap, do you? Just as mainstream rap is comprised of talentless gimps making undeserved millions with unwarranted popularity, so the same could be said about Kurt Cobain. Cobain? A legend? Yeah, I guess. Then so are the New Kids on the Block, the Backstreet Boys, and *NSYNC. Let's not forget about Britney Spears. And I guess 50 Cent is a legend in the making. How privileged I feel to have lived and to be living in a time when such legends are being born.

Sorry dude, but I have to strongly disagree with you on that one.
I agree that Nirvana was overated (taking the fact that some critics put them in the same level with Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, and Queen) but putting them at the same level with contemporary mainstrem rappers and fabricated bubblegum pop stars is just dumb.
Nirvana was a very good band, and the fact that one band opens the door to a movement that totally changes the whole music scene takes a lot of talent. The general public agreed that it was time for a new sound despite of the high popularity of hair rock by the early 90s. There's no denying that 'Nevermind' was an incredibly well crafted album that introduced a new rock genre to an audience that heard nothing but hard rock anthems and power ballads.
The irony of all of this is that unlike many artists who dream of making it big, and having tons of money, Kurt Cobain seemed happy enough being part of the underground Seattle music scene and never inteded to become part of the mainstream or become the kind that follows trends.
All of sudden Nirvana starts to spread by word of mouth, and one of their biggest fans before hitting it big happened to be Axl Rose (who even wears a Nirvana cap on the 'Don't Cry' video). Nirvana signs with David Geffen and from the moment that 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' video hit MTV everybody liked it.
One of the reasons why Nirvana became so popular was becau

Musicman wrote: Thus, boy bands revolutionized the music industry for almost an entire decade. Sure, everything was highly calculated, and the involvement of the bands were questionable...however, the icons - the bands themselves - are what is going to be pinpointed as the driving force of the movement. I'm not saying they are legendary, but if there were ever a scale measuring legend-status, they would be pretty on par with Cobain.

Musicman wrote: As for arguing that being in a grunge band can potentially require very little talent, I can just as well as I can argue that being in a boy band requires little talent. Take Nirvana's biggest hit, "Smells Like Teen Spirit." A simple, boxy four-chord progression that any ten-year old could come up with on his dad's acoustic guitar...the single notes C, F, C, F repeated endlessly - a tune a cat could probably make eventually if you put it in a room with an electric guitar...a "solo" or "bridge" or whatever, that any beginning guitar player could nail almost immediately...a bassline that simply mimics the roots of the progression...lyrics that most people can't even understand, let alone appreciate any poetic merit within...the drums seem pretty standard, although simple at the verses - yet are probably the most impressive instrument of the entire piece. Vocals are weak at best.

Musicman wrote: Please keep telling me I don't know what I'm talking about.

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Musicman wrote: Thus, boy bands revolutionized the music industry for almost an entire decade. Sure, everything was highly calculated, and the involvement of the bands were questionable...however, the icons - the bands themselves - are what is going to be pinpointed as the driving force of the movement. I'm not saying they are legendary, but if there were ever a scale measuring legend-status, they would be pretty on par with Cobain.

Boy bands never revolutionazed the music industry. It was actually the music industry that revolutionized itself because boy bands are not made of musicians trying to sell their work. Record companies were the ones who fabricated these kids along with the image that they expected to sell. As far as I'm concerned, David Geffen never created Nirvana because they were already made musicians before receiving a record contract. On the other hand, Maurice Starr created New Edition along with New Kids On The Block, and then 10 years later Lou Perlman created Backstreet Boys and N*SYNC. Are you still going to tell us that they're still in the same level of musicianship?

Musicman wrote: As for arguing that being in a grunge band can potentially require very little talent, I can just as well as I can argue that being in a boy band requires little talent. Take Nirvana's biggest hit, "Smells Like Teen Spirit." A simple, boxy four-chord progression that any ten-year old could come up with on his dad's acoustic guitar...the single notes C, F, C, F repeated endlessly - a tune a cat could probably make eventually if you put it in a room with an electric guitar...a "solo" or "bridge" or whatever, that any beginning guitar player could nail almost immediately...a bassline that simply mimics the roots of the progression...lyrics that most people can't even understand, let alone appreciate any poetic merit within...the drums seem pretty standard, although simple at the verses - yet are probably the most impressive instrument of the entire piece. Vocals are weak at best.

Isn't Deep Purple's 'Smoke On The Water' a song that mainly consists of a simple riff as well? I can also name a handful of all time rock classics, that also consist of a very simple instrumental intro with a basslines and drum beats that simply go along with the intro sound. What can we say about 'We Will Rock'? Even a 5 year old could have easily come up with that "stomp-stomp-clap" sound, but does it take away any merit from being one of the most recognized songs of all time, and the main icon of what a sports anthem is? Let's not talk about the lyrics because after all, we are all fans of a band that didn't particularly write smart and inspiring lyrics, except for Brian May.

Musicman wrote: Please keep telling me I don't know what I'm talking about.

We sure will, because you really don't know what you're talking about.

Musicman wrote:

You're arguing the wrong things. I never said that boy bands were on any level of musicianship above anyone. I simply said that when you are considering impact and legend-status, they are equivalent to such bands as Nirvana. "Smoke on the Water" and "We Will Rock You" are simple too. It doesn't take much talent to create such. That's all that I was saying. Any simple riff can become great if it's in the right place at the right time. If Queen's legacy were based on that simple percussive line, or if Deep Purple's greatness was due to that one riff - then I will say that they do not deserve to be legendary. You're thinking I am making arguments that I'm not...it's this simple, and I will summarize: A) Kurt Cobain is not a musical legend. He wrote "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and died. Period. B) It is arguable that Nirvana was not a good band. I can't see how you can argue that I don't know what I'm talking about. You are merely misconstruing my statements, all which make perfect sense and have yet to be rebutted.

I think you're arguement is rather odd. Songs like Smoke on the Water and We Will Rock You were essentially tools in helping those bands become so huge. Without those songs in their catalogs it's hard to say that they would still be rememebered with such a high regard or that they would have even gotten big enough to be remembered by that many.
I can see your point here but it's hard to make much sense of your arguement if you won't at least admit that Nirvana wrote more than one song...haha
but really though, what difference could it possibly make to anything if certain people want to think Kurt Cobain was a legend. If they feel inspired by him then why is that wrong? you're not required to agree or anything but why can't you just let people be happy with that? Come on, some people think very little of Queen and would think you were a little ridiculous for liking them so much but we all know that they just don't understand because we know more about them and relate to it in a way that maybe they just don't, for whatever reasons.
I assume you really do know there are far more than one Nirvana song "heh" but that comment makes it sound like you have very little insight into what they have done, and you can't honestly say that every Nirvana songs sounds just like that one if that was your point. They certainly didn't make some of the most ambitiously well crafted music I've ever heard but I like what it says and how it comes across to me. I appreciate it and can relate to some of it. It seems a lot of other people do as well. Many simple hate it. Oh well.
Apparently like you said Nirvana just happened at the right time and people were just ready for something like that. It happened to be them and now they are what they are. Many other rock stars have died during their careers but not all of them have lived on in the same way as Cobain. Maybe it is because of the media or because of the way he died but whatever the reasons it did all start with the music. Whether you like the music or not is another story...

billycat wrote:

Musicman wrote: You're arguing the wrong things. I never said that boy bands were on any level of musicianship above anyone. I simply said that when you are considering impact and legend-status, they are equivalent to such bands as Nirvana. "Smoke on the Water" and "We Will Rock You" are simple too. It doesn't take much talent to create such. That's all that I was saying. Any simple riff can become great if it's in the right place at the right time. If Queen's legacy were based on that simple percussive line, or if Deep Purple's greatness was due to that one riff - then I will say that they do not deserve to be legendary. You're thinking I am making arguments that I'm not...it's this simple, and I will summarize: A) Kurt Cobain is not a musical legend. He wrote "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and died. Period. B) It is arguable that Nirvana was not a good band. I can't see how you can argue that I don't know what I'm talking about. You are merely misconstruing my statements, all which make perfect sense and have yet to be rebutted.

I think you're arguement is rather odd. Songs like Smoke on the Water and We Will Rock You were essentially tools in helping those bands become so huge. Without those songs in their catalogs it's hard to say that they would still be rememebered with such a high regard or that they would have even gotten big enough to be remembered by that many. I can see your point here but it's hard to make much sense of your arguement if you won't at least admit that Nirvana wrote more than one song...haha but really though, what difference could it possibly make to anything if certain people want to think Kurt Cobain was a legend. If they feel inspired by him then why is that wrong? you're not required to agree or anything but why can't you just let people be happy with that? Come on, some people think very little of Queen and would think you were a little ridiculous for liking them so much but we all know that they just don't understand because we know more about them and relate to it in a way that maybe they just don't, for whatever reasons. I assume you really do know there are far more than one Nirvana song "heh" but that comment makes it sound like you have very little insight into what they have done, and you can't honestly say that every Nirvana songs sounds just like that one if that was your point. They certainly didn't make some of the most ambitiously well crafted music I've ever heard but I like what it says and how it comes across to me. I appreciate it and can relate to some of it. It seems a lot of other people do as well. Many simple hate it. Oh well. Apparently like you said Nirvana just happened at the right time and people were just ready for something like that. It happened to be them and now they are what they are. Many other rock stars have died during their careers but not all of them have lived on in the same way as Cobain. Maybe it is because of the media or because of the way he died but whatever the reasons it did all start with the music. Whether you like the music or not is another story...

Musicman wrote: I pretty much actually agree with what you said. In fact, considering the subjectivity of "legend-status," I suppose that it can be arguable that Nirvana was legendary. But likewise, the opposite is just as arguable. That's all I'm saying, really. It was just a response to a comment similar to, "I don't understand why someone would bash Kurt Cobain." I simply responded, "Well, here's why..." I suppose it's slightly silly, since I can pretty much conceive of a reason to bash anyone and anything - but that's just my sense of humor.

Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: Kurt Cobain was genius, and Nirvana a legendary band.

brENsKi wrote: where did i say i didn't like punk. i do. that doesn't detract (for me) from nirvana being grossly overrated. Planet Rock are playing Nevermind in full tonight - 20th anniversary etc etc etc you know what? I still don;t get it. it's good, but it isn't very good and certainly not great. - chunks of it are headache-inducing white noise if Cobain had lived this album would not be half as great as it's now claimed to be. The Foos are a much better band than Nirvana could ever have aspired to be. and in what strange world does Pearl Jam's "Ten" get overlooked for the likes of "Polly wants a cracker" - sheesh!!!! biggest problem today is people like being told what is good, rather than actually making their own minds up...or challenging what "critics" tell them. Nevermind = widescale critical acclaim, therefore it must be great...blah blah blah....music crritics can f*ck right off