AlexRocks 06.03.2006 22:27 |
Wow! Only 2,000 people bought tickets for the Queen show in Jacksonville??!!! They could only give away another 2,500??!!! Well, this tour is disasterous. At this rate this will be the last time that they tour the U.S. for sure. Is this information wrong or what? What's going on? Why is there no P.R. person for Queen to confront how there is an apparent agenda for them to fail in the U.S. by the media and them not having any promotion?! They can sell out every other corner on Earth yet here the American public have chosen beer, rap music, and video games over something far more worthwhile. Are you all really not that interested in Queen? How sad. |
rhaps1988 06.03.2006 22:32 |
You got wrong information. There were atleast 12000 people at Jax arena. I have seen people buying and selling tickets outside. There is no free pass as some posts are suggesting. We bought our tickets for 110 a piece. The arena went nuts before WWRY. I have never seen such energy. So no doom and gloom. Enjoy the tour. |
AlexRocks 06.03.2006 22:45 |
I hope you know what you are talking about. I was about to jump off this cliff over here... Also thank you for taking the time to read and respond to my post so quickly. I know I was probably too hectic and reacting the wrong way. |
stateside fan 06.03.2006 23:50 |
the attendance for Jax was 9100 est.where do people get these crazy numbers from? |
jasen101 06.03.2006 23:59 |
Don't worry guys...the tour is rocking...remember...no support act! Aerosmith would do worse if they didnt have Lenny Kravitz or Cheap Trick...believe me! |
teleman 07.03.2006 01:05 |
There is a serious lack of promotion for this tour. The local radio station promoting Q+PR seems unaware that they are playing here in under 2 weeks. |
rockyracoon 07.03.2006 02:23 |
Let's not forget that we're talking here about Jacksonville. A minor market, probably the smallest city on the Queen tour. And in the deep South, where Lynyrd Skynyrd, country music and the Dixie Chicks rule. There is NO tradition of rock & roll music in Jacksonville, and certainly no Queen history there. One can only conclude that Queen opted to stop in Jacksonville in order to get warmed up for the bigger shows to come. Nonetheless, those of you in Europe need to remember that Queen never had a large fan base in the U.S. There is certainly a group of hardcore Queen freaks, but we are a relatively small group. But until the current Queen tour hits the major markets in the U.S., it's far too early to conclude that the tour is disastrous. |
freddiefan_fl 07.03.2006 08:35 |
I agree that there is no need for Kenny Chesney to promote his shows here. He would be able to fill up the stadium if he wants to. I have been to several concerts in Jax. It doesn't matter the type of music, most of them are sold out. Aerosmith sold out even when on the same night Jaguars were playing their playoff game. I couldn't get tickets for Fleetwood Mac. They should have promoted this show better. |
Jazz 78 07.03.2006 08:42 |
Nicely put! The other possible reason for starting in such a small market area is to work out any kinks in the show so by the time they get to bigger areas in the country they'll be worked out and the band should be finely tuned at that point. Just because you take up jogging on a Monday doesn't mean you're ready for a marathon on Wednesday. They'll do fine. They're not in it for the money... they made that decades ago. Their here to entertain us so enjoy! |
Killjoy Badguy 07.03.2006 09:31 |
The tour IS a disaster. All these misguided folks commenting on seeing QUEEN, when all they're getting is watered-down, washed-out, rock-star posturing. What happened, guys? All hail John Deacon! Stay away from Duluth! *this ain't queen, lads & lasses ... sorry |
Haystacks Calhoun 07.03.2006 11:10 |
The tools are coming out of the woodwork.... |
Killjoy Badguy 07.03.2006 11:23 |
Tools? Who da suckers paying to see the old-guy cover band? A real Lame Shame! True American Queen fans, stay strong! [Crazy Europeans, you're excused. Enjoy the show] |
teleman 07.03.2006 11:49 |
Killjoy Badguy wrote: Tools? Who da suckers paying to see the old-guy cover band? A real Lame Shame! True American Queen fans, stay strong! [Crazy Europeans, you're excused. Enjoy the show]Nice of you to join QZ today. Which of BPP's posse/multiple personalities are you supposed to be? |
Killjoy Badguy 07.03.2006 11:56 |
don't know what BPP posse is ... but I have been playing all the Brian May rockers on my ipod today ... Dead On Time right into It's Late ... right ON! ... trying to erase the image of that guy from The Firm comin' at me on a catwalk tellin' me he feels like makin' love while the great Brian May riffs on ... aaaaarggh!!! *y'all know I'm right! |
coops 07.03.2006 13:52 |
freddiefan_fl wrote: I agree that there is no need for Kenny Chesney to promote his shows here. He would be able to fill up the stadium if he wants to. I have been to several concerts in Jax. It doesn't matter the type of music, most of them are sold out. Aerosmith sold out even when on the same night Jaguars were playing their playoff game. I couldn't get tickets for Fleetwood Mac. They should have promoted this show better.I was at the Jax show and did not talk to one person who was actually from the town. I live in Gainesville, others I met were from tennessee, Georgia, Tampa, Louisianna, Orlando. This was the same at the Aerosmith show also. I don't think it's the kind of town where non-fans are likely to pay to see a rock band when they have nothing else to do. Tampa or Orlando perhaps, but not Jacksonville. |
zone 07.03.2006 14:07 |
let's keep it real peaple, it's not QUEEN. It's Roger Taylor, Bian May and Paul Rodgers with no new songs and their still pulling in 8 to 10,000 peaple in florida [ which is a salsa state.] I'd like to see what Joe Perry and Joey Kramer would pull in with Robin Zander singing. Remember this is a one time gig' so let's have some fun with some great music. |
1bigdaddycool 07.03.2006 14:35 |
.....I'd like to see what Joe Perry and Joey Kramer would pull in with Robin Zander singing. JP, Joey Kramer & Robin Zander! I'M in! one thing I know for for sure they wouldn't be playin' it safe. |
The Stealer 07.03.2006 14:47 |
Killjoy Badguy wrote: don't know what BPP posse is ... but I have been playing all the Brian May rockers on my ipod today ... Dead On Time right into It's Late ... right ON! ... trying to erase the image of that guy from The Firm comin' at me on a catwalk tellin' me he feels like makin' love while the great Brian May riffs on ... aaaaarggh!!! *y'all know I'm right!No you are not! Enjoy your ipod. |
zone 07.03.2006 15:15 |
What are you talking about playing it safe. No new material, no opening band, and they haven't played here in 24 year's. Thats about as dangerous as it get's buddy. |
zone 07.03.2006 15:21 |
P.s I am an AEROSMITH fan also. My coment was not a shot at AEROSMITH. |
Killjoy Badguy 07.03.2006 15:45 |
Robin Zander and Aerosmith right here: link |
Killjoy Badguy 07.03.2006 15:54 |
Compliance Queen wrote: No you are not! Enjoy your ipod. Oops! Silly-willy CQ got it backward: I am so totally right ... For years I dreamed of Queen returning ... and now with this stinky broadway show coming in its glorious stead, I'm leaving the country -- the day they get here! Going to London in fact, to visit Freddie's house and do some o'them Queen tours ... Sorry for the negativity y'all ... Just hate to see a turd grow from something so true. Peace to all of you! Queen rules! Enjoy the commercials-- er, I mean shows! |
zone 07.03.2006 16:18 |
Killjoy Badguy you'er timing is perfect. great shots. Enjoy the u.k. |
1bigdaddycool 07.03.2006 17:11 |
....What are you talking about playing it safe. No new material, no opening band, and they haven't played here in 24 year's. Thats about as dangerous as it get's buddy. By playing it safe I meant w/ the the set list - Not much of an Aerosmith fan anymore but I do know that they always toss in a few gems, ie. one way street - mama kin - no more no more -etc... & Joe's always up for a great cover of Hendrix's "red House" (Which by the way would fit Paul & Brian Perfectly) all songs that the casual housewife wouldn't know ... "No new material, no opening band, and they haven't played here in 24 year's".... some would say that's not dangerous it's stupid, but I think the one's taking the biggest risk, money wise, are the promoters - with that being said 1 week from now I'll be in Philly w/ my 2 sons & 2 nephews paying homage to 2 guys that made a huge impact on my life |
Lord Blackadder 07.03.2006 17:14 |
rockyracoon wrote: Let's not forget that we're talking here about Jacksonville. A minor market, probably the smallest city on the Queen tour. And in the deep South, where Lynyrd Skynyrd, country music and the Dixie Chicks rule. There is NO tradition of rock & roll music in Jacksonville, and certainly no Queen history there. One can only conclude that Queen opted to stop in Jacksonville in order to get warmed up for the bigger shows to come. Nonetheless, those of you in Europe need to remember that Queen never had a large fan base in the U.S. There is certainly a group of hardcore Queen freaks, but we are a relatively small group. But until the current Queen tour hits the major markets in the U.S., it's far too early to conclude that the tour is disastrous.Yes they did. |
Mr. Farenheit 07.03.2006 18:12 |
Look....none of this is a surprise. THese guys were nuts too book these large arenas....they were not that huge here....even when they were HUGE. Im all for them doing the tour..I think its great.....but they should have booked smaller places where they WOULD sell out....and it would be just as interesting a tour. If demand was there....add extra shows to the smaller places. I dont know who advised them....or if they just insisted on doing big places....but its going to be a problem for them. Instead of the story being how good (or not good) the show was....people will be commenting on the low attendance. Concerts, in general, just dont draw like they used to. Unless you are HUGE (McCartney, Stones, SPringsteen).....the core audience has aged and just wont go out as much. It has nothing to do with promotion....or that people in Jacksonville or Miami dont go to rock shows(give me a break).....there is just not the demand. Im sure they will do better in larger cities....but they are going to be playing to a lot of empty seats....which is just stupid on their part. |
zone 07.03.2006 19:01 |
Mr.Farenheit you said it all, but I still dished out over 200.00 to see them in Toronto at the ACC.[which holds over 20,000 for concerts] |
ok.computer 07.03.2006 19:09 |
For our American Cousins, please excuse me as I lose my normal exterior of erudite Northern Irish cool... For those on here who have spoken in support of this American Tour, fair play to ye. Enjoy. A great, if expensive, night. It's brill. Top retro action, great fun. You'll have a ball. To the whinging, mithering, gurning, crying, whining, curmudgeonly, pathetic, nay-saying CUNTS...it's quite simple. Don't pay. Don't go and criticise. Let those who have paid top dollah go and enjoy. Stay at home, smear your genitalia in honey, and let your redneck neighbour's alsatian lick it off before he drags you back to Bubba's trailer for a right royal butt-fuckin'. You will undoubtedly have a much better evening. I thank you. |
Mr Faron Hyte 07.03.2006 19:32 |
The urge to say "I told you so" is too strong for some to resist. |
Daniel Nester 07.03.2006 19:33 |
Tours in the US, at least in recent years, do not sell 100%. Not by far. If anyone is into podcasts, I suggest you all download Rhino Records podcast #4 from last October, in which Bob Lefsetz, an industry veteran, runs down the numbers of all the tours in the previous summer. In summary, the only act that sells out is the Dave Matthews Band. People like Eminem, Destiny's Child, do like 30%,40%. link link Basically, all I'm saying is: read about the industry before say the Queen tour isn't selling. It is. |
Daniel Nester 07.03.2006 19:45 |
In case some Luddites do not want to download the Lefsets podcast, here's some actual numbers: Lefset's source is Billboard/Celebrity Access: U2 -- sells out in Europe, but no one buys the iPod. Elton John -- can play 5 shows in Las Vegas 20K people. Sells out. Plays in Watford,UK -- 23,000 people, top ticket $183 Neil Diamond -- Philly 2 dates 33,000 people gross, 2 million gross. 85 bucks. United Center 31,000 Kenney Chesney -- 1.6 million Raleigh, NC ++++ Ozzfest -- Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath. Top ticket 120 before fees (I guess all these prices are before fees), lawn seats for $18; they did 24,000 in Holmdel, NJ out of 34,000. "Shows a little weakness," he says. Eminem/50 Cent/G-Unit/D12 -- The HOTTEST PEOPLE in the business. 55% in Glenhellen Pavillion (spelling), top ticket $91.50. They grossed 1.5 million, sure, he says, but lots of money for promo. 69% in Phoenix. 39% in ATLANTA!!! 38% in Dallas!!! Tom Petty sells out places with 25,000 seats. Tickets $59.50. Chicago and Earth Wind and Fire -- 44% full with 11,000 attendance. That's in Camden, NJ's Tweeter center. |
Daniel Nester 07.03.2006 19:56 |
Here's some more numbers -- These are fascinating, at least to me, since you have to be an actual subscriber/member of Billboard.com to get these numbers, and Bob Lefsetz is rattling off these stats. James Taylor -- He's doing 10,000-20,000-seat theaters. Bruce Springsteen -- did 6,000 in Atlanta, Georgia last summer!! Tickets were 87/77. Good elsewhere, but not there. Motley Crue -- 10,000 in Auburn, Washington Destiny's Child -- did 59% in Virginia Beach. Ahem. 59% percent, and, as Lefsets says, "we have to be subjected to Beyonce everywhere we go," and this is all they do? Brooks and Dunn and Big and Rich -- 59%. This is still going off the VERY TOP, he says. Allman Brothers Band -- 56% in Saratoga. Let's go down the list, he says. Megadeth/Dream Factory, etc. 1,312 at the Thomas and Mack Center (sp) in Las Vegas, capacity is 6,000. Tickets were like 30 bucks. Rock Never Stops Tour -- Cinderella, Ratt, Quiet Riot, Firehouse... Paramount's in King's Island Ohio. Did 2,318 out of 9,231 capacity. 25.1% with $50 tickets. Elvis Costello -- 41% in Rochester, MI. Michael McDonald, late of the Doobies, 1100 people in Philadelphia. OK, people, curious to see what y'all think. |
Daniel Nester 07.03.2006 20:00 |
Donna Summer -- Dallas, TX in a hall that holds 6,972 people. 22.4%; Made 92,000 bucks. That lost money Black Eyes Peas/Talib Kweli -- Atlantic City -- does House of Blues 1.000 out of 2,300. OK, I'm tired -- but I suppose my point is that if Q plus PR does around 50-70 percent of this big sheds, it's more than respectable. D |
Mr Faron Hyte 07.03.2006 20:16 |
Thanks for passing those numbers along, Daniel. Its illuminating to read the comments of someone who actually knows what he's talking about. Given those kinds of numbers, one could assume the band, management and promoters knew the lay of the land and what to expect and factored all that in before they booked the tour. The higher ticket prices that everyone's complained about might have been their way of ensuring a profitable tour without the unrealistic expectation of selling out every venue. As it is, 17K in Miami and 9 or 10K in Jacksonville sounds pretty respectable to me. I was at the Jacksonville show - it rocked and people seemed to be having a great time. That's what its all about isn't it? Its kind of sad that people have hoped they'd come back and play in the US for 20+ years, and when they finally do, the biggest topic of discussion is the attendance numbers. Try to enjoy it while it lasts, everybody, because its not going to ever happen again. |
Mr. Farenheit 07.03.2006 20:39 |
Mr Faron Hyte wrote: 17K in MiamiWhere did you get this number from? NOWHERE has it been said that they had 17k in Miami. For cying out loud...half the posters on this board have been making up excuses...basically "Florida isnt a Rock and Roll State....and wait till next year." Maybe not that many people are interested? Is that a possibility? Im not sure what point all the other acts who dont sell tickets either means? U2? I'd put them in that "huge" list. Elton in Vegas? OK...so Elton goes Vegas....the word pathetic comes to mind. I dont really see what the moaning is about. My only point is that they are not going to fill huge arenas. Smaller places would have been better for them...and the fans that do want to go see them. Probably cheaper too. I think the egos wont let them book into smaller places.....and now they are gonna moan about "promotion"...etc...when the places dont sell out. |
Mr Faron Hyte 07.03.2006 20:59 |
Mr. Farenheit wrote:linkMr Faron Hyte wrote: 17K in MiamiWhere did you get this number from? NOWHERE has it been said that they had 17k in Miami. link "03-MAR-06 Miami, American Airlines Arena USA Att: about 17.000 - Capacity 19.600" They may not have sold out Jacksonville because people just weren't interested, but I was there all weekend, all around town, and I didn't see so much as a flyer. No posters, no billboards, no nothing. I talked to a lot of locals and many of them didn't have a clue that the band were even playing a show that weekend. I didn't see anything in the way of promotion. People may still have not been interested if there had been, so it might not have made any difference. And it may be an excuse as you say, but there really wasn't any promotion that I saw or heard. I'm not trying to pick a fight here. If you have a problem with the attendance numbers, talk to the guy who runs link - I'm pretty sure he posts here. EDIT: just wanted to throw this into the general discussion - Aerosmith cancelled their show tonight. They were supposed to go on at 7:30 and cancelled the show around 5:30 p.m. They're blaming it on illness. According to the news report, they sold 9000 seats in an arena that has a capacity of 24,000 (and they're not rescheduling the show). |
zone 07.03.2006 22:20 |
Played in my garage 2 people showed up tonight. |
freddiefan_fl 07.03.2006 23:05 |
Every show is sold out. link |
The Stealer 07.03.2006 23:21 |
That's nice--I have no interest in Kenney Chesney. For the record he was the first act annouced in Milwaukee for Summerfest- which includes admission into the best music festival around 11 stages, etc. Summerfest draws people from all over..any country act that is the Main act always sells out.. Rock acts do not. |
Regor 08.03.2006 04:50 |
Daniel Nester wrote: Donna Summer -- Dallas, TX in a hall that holds 6,972 people. 22.4%; Made 92,000 bucks. That lost money Black Eyes Peas/Talib Kweli -- Atlantic City -- does House of Blues 1.000 out of 2,300. OK, I'm tired -- but I suppose my point is that if Q plus PR does around 50-70 percent of this big sheds, it's more than respectable. DDaniel, thanks a lot for these very interesting numbers ! Currently there's a heated argument going on over at QOL: link The bottom line of what is said there is that the tour is a disaster... I've been following all the threads right after the Miami show, because I have a bit of an obsession with Queen's standing in america ;-) - personally I think sales figures for that tour are really good ! I went to the show in cologne's new stadium. They sold pretty exactly 65 % of the tickets (27600 people, Phil Collins sold out with 42500), still especially the grandstands did look a bit empty. But what the f*** ? It was a great show and an unforgettable evening. I remember a Rolling Stones concert in 1999 in the old stadium (which held about 60.000 - 65.000 at concerts, because it still had a race track for athletes) and they sold "only" 48.000. The Stones ! As I don't have an account over there maybe you or someone else can end this discussion with a few of these numbers ? Still people can have their own opinion about Q+PR, but there is no need for ignoring the facts that they DO sell a lot of tickets, and by now every show was sold out between 60 and 75 %. And the way the are discussing it is really depressing. Of course it ended in a dispute including insults and stuff. Perhaps a few of these figures can help. Especially after Atlanta (Duluth) seems to have been close to sell-out ! |
Killjoy Badguy 08.03.2006 09:59 |
The higher the attendance figures, the sadder the tale ... |
Haystacks Calhoun 08.03.2006 10:20 |
You are a jackoff.... Sorry that the tour is doing well. I know that it just pisses you off that people, in the south, no doubt the most uninterested fans, are turning out to see this killer show with almost ZERO publicity.... Add to that the band you've pimped, Aerosmith, cancelling out last night due to total lack of interest???? Sure, they say illness, but please, if it was illness, they would have rescheduled. The joke is on you, buttwipe... HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA |
Daniel Nester 08.03.2006 14:57 |
My guess is the Q+PR people are more than coginizant of these industry trends in the U.S., and they're happy with the attendence figures. I'm going to my first of three show in Worcester this Friday and so will be able to see it first-hand. The other thing to point out is they are playing places that are cheaper to rent. A few months back people were talking about why Q+PR didn't play the Garden, and sure, it's a marquee place, but it costs so much to rent it, and it's a union place, more expensive. That's why -- and I'm just guessing here folks -- we're getting Worcester instead of Boston, that place in Michigan instead of Detroit. My bottom line is this tour will not lose money. The people in the UK have a much more rich history of concert-going; here in the US, it's been dead for about 10-15 years. They cancelled Lollapalooza, fer crying out loud! And that's college kids with money not going to gigs with 10 of their favorite bands! |
Haystacks Calhoun 08.03.2006 15:01 |
I think that, for the most part, they are going to non-Union venues as well, which warms my heart. Ultra Liberal Brian avoiding Union facilities like the plague. Ironic. |
Daniel Nester 08.03.2006 15:04 |
Yeah, I wasn't going to go there, as an ultraliberal Northeasterner and son of a Teamster. But in the entertainment business, it's kind of OK, from what I hear, to avoid unions. Think indie films doing films in Toronto for just such reasons, or doing film scores in England because the musicians are cheaper. |
Killjoy Badguy 08.03.2006 15:28 |
Yo! Big ups to Daniel Nester! Love your God Save My Queen books! Love Soft Skull Press! Right ON! |
Daniel Nester 08.03.2006 15:33 |
Jesus, thanks. Those Queen books are very personal; I'm always happy when real Queen fans like them. And heck, even fake Queen fans. |
AlexRocks 08.03.2006 18:50 |
Oh hey! Since I started this post...guess what?! I just came back from the Gwinnet Center in Duluth, Georgia last night (Tuesday, March 7, 2006) and guess what? Queen + Paul Rodgers sold the seventy percent we were looking for according to the previous poster with the figures (and thanks for those too!). As a matter of fact they sold far closer to eighty percent than seventy and I would bet slightly more than that! ...and folks this is in the south with no promotion! Where they hate anyone even associated with gays! |
stateside fan 08.03.2006 21:23 |
the tour cant lose money.there is a national promoter(Metropolitan) who sells each show to the local promoters.the only losers can be the local guys as QPR and the National promoter have banked there money well in advance.With the price structure and deep pocket fans who buy lots of merchandise this tour will gross more then coldplay and newer bands who tour to increase record sales .Lets say Atlanta cost the local atlanta promoter $500,000.with 8100 seats sold at an average of 95.00 he will do ok and then after show the band will get another small percent of gate + all of the merchandise which could be 125,000(mosty cash!). |
Daniel Nester 08.03.2006 21:37 |
I said it in another topic, and I'll say it here. For making a Queen-related tour work and be profitable in the United States in 2006, Jim Beach should have his penis cast in bronze. So when all you see open nosebleed seats in these big places -- or not -- don't worry about it. Roger, Brian, Paul and the boys are making money, they're happy, we're happy to see and hear them, and hopefully we'll just enjoy the music. Great to hear about Duluth, GA. |
The Stealer 08.03.2006 23:04 |
The boy's sounded very happy today on XM radio. Brian mentioned that they are getting as band and it get's better every night. I don't think the boys think this is disaterous or disappointed. IMHO-for little promotion the attendence is really good --well it's really good anyway you look at it. |
jordanjo 08.03.2006 23:30 |
yes its a disaster! THANK GOD because Paul is a disaster |
teleman 08.03.2006 23:39 |
jordanjo wrote: yes its a disaster! THANK GOD because Paul is a disasterjordanjo and BPP are still a couple of c**ts |