| Banquo 14.12.2005 13:41 |
Evolution? I'm only asking because I know some Schools in the States ban any mention of Charles Darwin's Origin of the Species. So now whole generations are growing up believing we all come from Adam and Eve? I'll blame Bush its easier, |
| FriedChicken 14.12.2005 13:56 |
Ofcourse i believe in evolution. Whats there to believe |
| FriedChicken 14.12.2005 13:56 |
not believing in evolution is like not believing in gravity |
| Lester Burnham 14.12.2005 14:04 |
Evolutionist here, checking in. That's what I grew up believing, and I was even tought that in school. |
| pma 14.12.2005 14:12 |
To quote the world famous philosopher Howard of Stern... "There's nothing intelligent about 'intelligent' design" |
| Serry... 14.12.2005 14:26 |
Bush, yes I wanna say something about him... But... What? Is this about evolution?! Damned... Well... Yes I believe in evolution. Only in evolution. I'm out of all religions, by the way. |
| KillerQueen840 14.12.2005 14:49 |
I believe in both evolution and Creation. |
| Haystacks Calhoun 14.12.2005 15:02 |
Perhaps God created Evolution??? |
| @ndy38 14.12.2005 16:35 |
Haystacks Calhoun wrote: Perhaps God created Evolution???Indeed this is what i believe. |
| Smitty 14.12.2005 19:02 |
FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: not believing in evolution is like not believing in gravityThey actually tried to prove to people gravity didn't exist. Sick huh? |
| Smitty 14.12.2005 19:03 |
<font color=black>Andy<font color=red>38 wrote:Makes sense.Haystacks Calhoun wrote: Perhaps God created Evolution???Indeed this is what i believe. |
| ibanez122 14.12.2005 22:26 |
Haystacks Calhoun wrote: Perhaps God created Evolution???thats crap...doesnt explain how one person is here before anyone else. |
| Music Man 14.12.2005 23:29 |
I thought this thread was going to be about magic. Anyway, I think 'believing' in something is ridiculous, but rather one should 'assume temporarily for specific purposes.' Of course, it's much more practical to assume that evolution did occur than to assume that creationism occurred. Not to mention that I am fairly certain that if President Bush were confronted about creationism, he would almost certainly support the teaching of evolution in schools. It's unreasonable to even consider him in this. |
| The Real Wizard 15.12.2005 00:29 |
What's the point of believing that God created evolution? Why does it matter where it (or anything) came from? Have we nothing better to do than wonder about things that can't be proven? We're here in the world right now, so let's make the best of what we do know and can prove. I can't believe how people can spend so long wasting their time trying to prove the unprovable. Science is the study of proving things by testable measures. Philsophy covers what science cannot cover. Creationism comes from philosophy, since religion falls under philosophy. There is not one bit of scientific evidence claiming that an invisible man in the sky created anything, so until that can be proven, it cannot be entertained as a remote possibility, as it is thus a waste of precious time. |
| ibanez122 15.12.2005 01:04 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: What's the point of believing that God created evolution? Why does it matter where it (or anything) came from? Have we nothing better to do than wonder about things that can't be proven? We're here in the world right now, so let's make the best of what we do know and can prove. I can't believe how people can spend so long wasting their time trying to prove the unprovable. Science is the study of proving things by testable measures. Philsophy covers what science cannot cover. Creationism comes from philosophy, since religion falls under philosophy. There is not one bit of scientific evidence claiming that an invisible man in the sky created anything, so until that can be proven, it cannot be entertained as a remote possibility, as it is thus a waste of precious time.well said! |
| Music Man 15.12.2005 02:46 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: What's the point of believing that God created evolution? Why does it matter where it (or anything) came from? Have we nothing better to do than wonder about things that can't be proven? We're here in the world right now, so let's make the best of what we do know and can prove. I can't believe how people can spend so long wasting their time trying to prove the unprovable. Science is the study of proving things by testable measures. Philsophy covers what science cannot cover. Creationism comes from philosophy, since religion falls under philosophy. There is not one bit of scientific evidence claiming that an invisible man in the sky created anything, so until that can be proven, it cannot be entertained as a remote possibility, as it is thus a waste of precious time.Not to burst your bubble or anything, but 90% of all discussion and practice is, by your definition, a waste of precious time. |
| Banquo 15.12.2005 12:53 |
Ravenetta wrote: i do. i also believe there have been civilization...hard to explain but youd think im crazy i think its annoying to have ppl preach fake shit like this... link its sad but hilarious. these people....i tell ya.That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Like our old mate Roger I believe religion does fuck people up. |
| @ndy38 15.12.2005 13:09 |
This is turning into one of my Moral Philosophy seminars.........sigh... And i thought it was the Christmas holidays... |
| carboengine 15.12.2005 13:43 |
Haystacks Calhoun wrote: Perhaps God created Evolution???That is a great sentence even though I am a devout, born-again Atheist. |
| The Real Wizard 15.12.2005 14:29 |
Music Man wrote:And that's what concerns me deeply. I stand by what I said. I can't believe that we, the intelligent species we are, often have nothing better to do than worry about metaphysical things and ideas that will never be proven. Every minute wasted talking intelligent design, or selfishily focusing on one's "personal salvation", is a minute not spent doing something that actually may make a difference. I won't be bothered to make a list of what those things could be in this needy world of ours. Anyone who is aware should know.Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: What's the point of believing that God created evolution? Why does it matter where it (or anything) came from? Have we nothing better to do than wonder about things that can't be proven? We're here in the world right now, so let's make the best of what we do know and can prove. I can't believe how people can spend so long wasting their time trying to prove the unprovable. Science is the study of proving things by testable measures. Philsophy covers what science cannot cover. Creationism comes from philosophy, since religion falls under philosophy. There is not one bit of scientific evidence claiming that an invisible man in the sky created anything, so until that can be proven, it cannot be entertained as a remote possibility, as it is thus a waste of precious time.Not to burst your bubble or anything, but 90% of all discussion and practice is, by your definition, a waste of precious time. |
| kdj2hot 15.12.2005 14:42 |
Come on, we all know evolution is real (or atleast should know). Things change over time, there's numerous cases of species changing within even the last couple of hundred years. I remember reading about a species of particular group of bats which suddenly had no set of predators and lived in a dark cave who lost their site completely because it wasn't needed. There's other cases which I can't draw from the top of my head but that should definitely make anyone think twice about dismissing evolution. Evolution is just those environmental changes over a very long period of time. I don't see how anyone can seriously listen to a-holes pitting religion against evolution because one thing has very little to do with the other. Who's to say a God didn't create things to evolve. It seems to me that bible thumpers are so insecure about the validity of their fate that they attack all science without sitting down to think about how it could relate to their religion. |
| KillerQueen840 15.12.2005 14:54 |
ibanez122 wrote:EDIT:Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: What's the point of believing that God created evolution? Why does it matter where it (or anything) came from? Have we nothing better to do than wonder about things that can't be proven? We're here in the world right now, so let's make the best of what we do know and can prove. I can't believe how people can spend so long wasting their time trying to prove the unprovable. Science is the study of proving things by testable measures. Philsophy covers what science cannot cover. Creationism comes from philosophy, since religion falls under philosophy. There is not one bit of scientific evidence claiming that an invisible man in the sky created anything, so until that can be proven, it cannot be entertained as a remote possibility, as it is thus a waste of precious time.well said! I'm having triple thoughts of what I originally posted. |
| carboengine 15.12.2005 15:14 |
If anyone needs proof of evolution, just look at the George Forman grill and its endless spin-offs. |
| Gunpowder Gelatine 15.12.2005 19:00 |
I believe in evolution. Creation just makes absolutely no sense to me...there's too many holes in it as a theory. |
| The Real Wizard 15.12.2005 20:40 |
kdj2hot wrote: It seems to me that bible thumpers are so insecure about the validity of their fate that they attack all science without sitting down to think about how it could relate to their religion.You're looking at it far too deeply. Here's the situation: They believe the bible was written by an invisible man in the sky, who has the final word on everything past, present, and future. Anyone or anything that negates this "last word" must go. And they believe that if they themselves question this "eternal truth", then they will go to a place of burning after they die. If they accept this "truth", they will go to a happy place after they die, and they will meet everyone who agreed with them. People like Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama will not join them. Kind of sounds like a fairy tale to me. <font color="lime">KillerQueen840 wrote: I'm having triple thoughts of what I originally posted.Don't leave us in suspense now! Gunpowder Gelatine wrote: I believe in evolution. Creation just makes absolutely no sense to me...there's too many holes in it as a theory.But it is still a valid theory, from a philosophical perspective. Anything is welcome in the field of philosophy until it can be proven to be false. That's the beauty of philosophy. It only gets out of hand when people use philosophies (i.e. religion) to impede on the progress of the scientific world, discriminate against others, etc. But back to the subject at hand - intelligent design certainly cannot be entertained as a science. I hope that this and subsequent generations of kids all grow up to see this distinction between science and non-science. |
| Monte: Liquorice Years 15.12.2005 20:50 |
there have been many debates in our chapel services between the Rev. and a very passionate science teacher of ours about this. our school teaches both because we're an Anglican school, however, it is clearly obvious that none of our science teachers are fully Christian... we kind of skipped creationism "accidentally", and spent alot of time on evolutionism. However, i quit biology, so i no longer give a crap. (note: im clearly not Christian in any shape or form) monte |