| Jay Mantis 02.11.2005 15:00 |
A question that has been asked many times: Is there more material from the early Queen days then we know now? The answer would be yes. A few week ago QueenZone member S van der Veen discussed something with me that I just couldn’t get out of my head, so I did some research. Many might already know about this but a very clear piece of evidence about whether there is more material from Queen's early days is hidden in the documentary “Killer Queen” that was broadcasted on the BBC. We’re talking about a small piece of footage, around 5 seconds long that shows a few bits of shows that were somehow recorded in 1973/1974. So far only shows like the Rainbow gig have been leaked to the internet. This piece of film proves there is more then we know. Here you can download the 5 sec clip from the documentary “Killer Queen”: link I took a few screenshots at certain frames that hold some valuable information. For instance, the following screen: link This is a screenshots at the beginning of the clip. You may overlook this if you just watch the clip but if you freeze it you can clearly see a camera man on the bottom right side of the screen. I happen to have some knowledge of camera’s and I can tell you that this is guy is holding a PanaVision camera that was used a lot in the 70’s and begin 80’s for television broadcasting purposes. (A picture can be found here: link Can you see the white/grey film holder on top, now compare it with the screenshot from the clip. ;-) So what does this mean? Well probably that this concert (or part of it) has been professionally filmed. There are obvious multiple camera’s around seeing as someone is filming Freddie from below. Freddie’s clothing makes me suspect that this was filmed at a very early gig, probably during the first Queen tour. Alright next point of interest, check the following screen: link This screen was captured on the last frames of the clip. One thing that caught my attention was Rodger's Bass drum. It has the Queen logo on it and if you look closely you’ll see a “Q II” on it, which might suggest that this is from the Queen II tour around 1974 maybe late 1973. Another thing about this clip is the way Freddie is being filmed here. The camera is following Freddie very relaxed, almost without any shaking, also look at the perspective, there’s no way a fan in the audience could have filmed this. Ok so we still don’t know if these concert were fully filmed or just parts of it. I do believe now that theirs is a lot more footage from Queen’s early days then most of us think. The first piece could very well be from the famous Marquee concert in 1972 were Jesus was played. There is a audio recording so why couldn’t there be video material? I hope I haven’t bored you with this. If so I’m sorry and just forget this. Feel free to discuss this as I’m curious about what you people think. |
| Jay Mantis 02.11.2005 15:07 |
Here's a RapidShare link containing the screens and video if the previously posted links don't work: link |
| PieterMC 02.11.2005 15:12 |
Certainly looks pretty interesting. |
| Rick 02.11.2005 15:37 |
It's not a Queen II logo on the bassdrum, just the Queen logo as it was on every show of Queen, the black chrest on the white background. There is no such thing as a Queen II logo. One thing is for sure, it's either footage from the first or second tour. Not Sheer Heart Attack! I've asked some people about this mysterious footage, because I dealt with it too. Some say they don't know it, some say it's Queen in the Rainbow (March show). I don't know, maybe Sunbury 1974, Australia? |
| Jay Mantis 02.11.2005 16:53 |
Sunbury '74 comes closest to mind indeed. |
| zaiga 03.11.2005 03:33 |
<font color=green>Rick wrote: It's not a Queen II logo on the bassdrum, just the Queen logo as it was on every show of Queen, the black chrest on the white background. There is no such thing as a Queen II logo.It looks like a "II" because the image is blurry. |
| Bohardy 03.11.2005 06:20 |
Exactly. There's some kind of stand there in front of the drum (a mic stand?), casting a shadow on the skin. Either because of multiple light sources or some kind of digital artifact from the film process, the shadow is duplicated, creating the impression of a II next to the Q. |
| deleted user 03.11.2005 10:28 |
Sunbury '74 is still from the Queen I tour. So I think it's from that show. Rick do you still remember us repeating that peace for like 100 times? "Here comes the black Queen" |
| Rick 03.11.2005 10:39 |
Yes I do. Man, we were excited as hell. Oh yeah! |
| Jjeroen 03.11.2005 11:04 |
Jay, don't listen to Sikke van der Veen too much! ;-) |
| Jay Mantis 03.11.2005 11:12 |
Oh well I did my best. I know some things were pure a guess but I thought it might be interesting to share. :-p |
| The Real Wizard 03.11.2005 13:42 |
I really hope we find out one day where this footage is from. It's early, and it must be spectacular. |
| Erin 03.11.2005 14:20 |
Would be awesome to see all of that footage, indeed... |
| AlexRocks 03.11.2005 17:48 |
Wow. It really sucks how those links don't work for us to see this footage. You think there is more of Queen? I bet there is more of most other artists out there that will blow our minds. Sometimes it is just the quality not being available in 5.1 which nowadays they can make it be so. Sometimes it is something else to do with the quality, the picture, sound, certain parts missing. Sometimes it might just be scraps of film that nothing can really be done with though I would say something could always be done with even a few seconds. Sometimes it is that someone else own the rights to the film. Sometimes the artists don't know anything about it. Sometimes it is lost and sometimes most importantly which I think might the case for some of these bigger seller artists there is more than they are saying they just do not let on or perhaps even lie about them not being more in order to make their latest releases sell as best as possible and to surprise people down the road years later. As in sometimes it is a marketing strategy. Who knows? I hope that the later is the case like madness!! |
| Jay Mantis 04.11.2005 04:40 |
AlexRocks wrote: Wow. It really sucks how those links don't work for us to see this footage.Their working alright, if not check the RapidShare link. |
| FriedChicken 04.11.2005 06:57 |
Why would it be Sunbury? Why can't it be from every other show from 1973, 1974. |
| Rick 04.11.2005 08:19 |
Because we KNOW that Sunbury was professionally filmed, the same goes for Rainbow 1974, the March show. It could offcourse be from another concert, but then we should have known something about it, right? Even Mr.Scully would have put information about that on his website. |
| Richy Mercury 04.11.2005 11:41 |
Sunbury '74 does not exist according to ABC TV in Australia. |
| Jay Mantis 04.11.2005 16:32 |
Yes but a lot of material had been "denied" even if they really do have it. Queen Production denied there was a audio recording of the famous Marquee '72 gig. ;-) |
| Sherwood Forest 05.11.2005 12:04 |
what does this have to be opened with? |
| Jay Mantis 05.11.2005 12:30 |
If you mean the Videofile then just Windows Media Player. If you mean the file on RapidShare then you need WinRAR. You can download it from: link |
| Sherwood Forest 05.11.2005 13:33 |
that isnt free though thats the problem |
| Jay Mantis 06.11.2005 13:16 |
Well with the right serial key it is. ;-) Not a problem though, you can use it for 40 days without any trouble. |
| Smitty 06.11.2005 18:19 |
possibly a pic from the gig? link :-) |
| Sherwood Forest 06.11.2005 18:39 |
its a very short video |
| Mkls 07.11.2005 02:45 |
Smittygecko<br><h6>The QZ...whatever... wrote: possibly a pic from the gig? link :-)as far as i can see on the footage the drums are on an elevated part of the stage, in this picture it is flat. If somebody could check the pictures of Marquee 72, I think the book "as it began" includes a couple of those... |
| Jay Mantis 07.11.2005 05:47 |
This picture seems to resemble a lot with the first part of the video: link Could this be the Marquee '72 gig? |
| Madman 16.11.2005 09:21 |
Old topic but about my favourite concert so I write also here. Ok, short think. Both shots come from Rainbow in March '74 I think. « Jay » this pic what You mentioned above include to small scene and then look at the pics and short video from Rainbow in March '74. The same lighting and percusion in the same platform. And I think also camera angles like in short video with Son & Daughter and Modern Times Rock'n'Roll is the same. On first shot when camera isn't so stable and is shake because Freddie stand on Brian's site to close audience and almost go to outsite visul lens field of camera. Queen for sure don't have this one on archive but after watching document Killer Queen we for sure say that BBC still have one. Just fabulous. |
| Kamenliter 17.11.2005 00:32 |
I discussed this topic a few months ago, over on the official site..here's a link to those posts: link I'm glad that other people noticed these bits...What a treasure it would be if this footage could one day be released! - Kamen |
| Richy Mercury 19.11.2005 01:48 |
Can somebody send this to Brian May's website and ask him? |
| Smitty 27.12.2005 16:09 |
I just found something a bit useful. During the Prophet's Song video on the ANATO 30th anniversary DVD, It shows some pictures from the Marquee 1972 gig... How do I know? Well, on the back wall of these pictures the word MARQUEE can be seen clearly and you can also see in these pictures that Freddie indeed wore both the black and white shirt, and what looks like that wierd frilly outfit. The drumset is also on the raised stand as seen in the pics and the video as well. The rest in these pics are unclear... Interesting... |
| Jay Mantis 27.12.2005 16:39 |
That's indeed interesting! :-) Is there any way you can capture a screenshot maybe? |
| Smitty 27.12.2005 16:48 |
« Jay » wrote: That's indeed interesting! :-) Is there any way you can capture a screenshot maybe?Let me see... -edit- No, I've tried every method under the sun. Sorry. |
| kingogre 28.12.2005 06:07 |
I remember seeing footage of an early queen show on swedish television some years ago. The song performed was son and daughter. The band wore similar clothes as in the rainbow concert, but im certain it wasnt from that show. As far as I can remember it was a very good performance with excellent sound and picture. |
| Smitty 28.12.2005 07:48 |
Son & Daughter and Modern Times Rock and Roll from the Rainbow Theatre 3-31-1974 concert exist exist today in similar quality. Similar clothes also. |
| NTL 30.12.2005 16:02 |
The Killer Queen doc was NOT shown on the BBC but on Channel 4. The company who made the Killer Queen documentary I belive are either owned by, or part of EMI which would mean that even if the band are unaware of the material EMI certainly are. The material almost certainly has nothing at all to do with the BBC. |
| Jay Mantis 19.04.2006 10:58 |
Sorry for bumping this but I just stumbled on this thread again and watched that small video once more. Some (including myself) mentioned the footage could be from Sunbury '74. I searched on Google if I could find any info on the Sunbury music festival and found a few pics. On Wikipedia: link Apparantly the festival was held outside on almost all occasions. I'm sure the footage at the beginning is indoor, not sure about the 2e part though. |
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