QueenZone discussion #571656

Libor2 wrote: PS. I don't see anything wrong with seeding torrents from QZ on DAD too. It's OK and could help another people to get the concert, they look for. From this angle of view Gerolamo surely did good thing.

Ðon Gerolamo wrote: It isn't about promoting what the fuck are you guys talking about???? And Rip van Winkle why don't you just ask me? Afraid I won't tell? I'm not the scared bastard as you guys think I am. Previous name was Rev. Are all you guys just stupid???

YourValentine wrote: I posted this because the original seeder complained about it. He never seeded a show and then posted here asking for "Thank you" posts. But he did not like it that the show was seeded on DAD without the slightest mention of the original seed - not because he himself needs the credit but because he is truly pissed off about Gerolamo making it look like the show comes from his trading page as a gift for the sharing community. It's perfectly okay to seed QZ torrents on DAD and the other way round. It's also not necessary to credit anyone when you don't know where a show comes from. A lot of hub files are shared on DAD and QZ and it's impossible to know who brought the file into the hub. Personally, I don't think it's cool to share something and then keep complaining that not enough people express their gratitude. I am more impressed by people who share and keep sharing when everybody else stops like for example Libor2 who always keeps reseeding or bokkepoot who has done that much for the hub for a long time now and never gets impatient with all the trouble or Rip Van Winkle who spent months to finish the bootleg tree with not a single leaf left. Or Rien or many others whose names are only known in the hub. None of them ever complained about lack of gratitude. I can understand that the "mystery man" got annoyed about Gerolamo, who makes a fuss about what he has shared but does not even give credit when he seeds an unchanged torrent. As to Gerolamo who says he does not promote his website, this is his first comment to the torrent on DAD: "Also, feel free to visit my Queen trading website at link

the_hero wrote: are you people using every single thing we say against us. If that certain person has to say his complaint by using a moderator then I think he's just a scared ass who doesn't even have the decency to say it himself. Geralemo made his appoligies, not everyone is perfect, so don't make a scene about everything.

the_hero wrote: because I don't care what right I have and not. Really I don't give a **censored** what anyone says to me here, especially not you, learn to live with the point I made before cause it is true, and although you're not a moderator (thank god you ain't) you sure act like the boss in here

<font color=black>Ðon Gerolamo</font> wrote: Thijs 2 - 1 YV

the_hero wrote:

YourValentine wrote: Thijs, I don't lose sleep over your opinion about me, I can only assume I ended up in your list of people you don't get along with which should be pretty long by now.

no just you and spammers

the_hero wrote:

jeroen wrote: Well, scuse me for getting into this, but YV DOES have a point. Not necessarily in the sence that everybody needs to 'thank' someone particular or an unknown source on another website, while uploading a show. But it is a bit awkward (and a pretty stupid thing to do if you want to be considered 'serious' traders in the 'serious' traderscommunity) to share dozens of shows pretending they are up here thanks to your generosity, promoting your own trading-website, while in fact all of the files are simply downloaded elsewhere and copy-pasted onto the QZ messageboard...

ah well as "serious" traders I'm sure you won't get a thing when it's of your interest

the_hero wrote: that you don't get a thing out of our collection no matter what you offer.. and don't say we have a lousy collection cause you don't know what's coming

wstüssyb wrote: So the Dutch kids own the show now? hmmm I dont think so, there is a lot of stuff of that that will make you drool, I guess if you wanna play this kinda game, then I'm sure people can start not trade with you guys.

jeroen wrote: Well, scuse me for getting into this, but YV DOES have a point. Not necessarily in the sence that everybody needs to 'thank' someone particular or an unknown source on another website, while uploading a show. But it is a bit awkward (and a pretty stupid thing to do if you want to be considered 'serious' traders in the 'serious' traderscommunity) to share dozens of shows pretending they are up here thanks to your generosity, promoting your own trading-website, while in fact all of the files are simply downloaded elsewhere and copy-pasted onto the QZ messageboard...

the_hero wrote: And btw, as opposite of some of you I don't live on Queen. I'm part of this crew because I know a lot about concerts over the years so I wanted to share my knowledge with it. I lost my collecting spirit a while ago so for example Jeroen can brag about his Drammen concert as much as he wants, but point 1, I couldn't care less and point 2, there are more people having it and it will leak so don't get all that excited. Someone said that "a Dutch teenager" or something like that was "trying to rule the trading business" <-- as you can see I don't give a fuck about what you people write, but at least this teenager knows a lot about Queen and shouldn't be underestemated. Say all that you want about me or about our website, for instance that we are arrogant brats. But if we really were that arrogance and maybe greedy, then I wonder why so many people where happy with what we have shared before, which can't be said of people that call theirselves so called "serious traders". We trade and sometimes share things, but only if the person we got it from approves. And I won't be begging for concerts like Drammen or Atlanta '77. People still contact US for trades so that must mean that we're still doing a great job, as opposite of what many people claim that our site will fade away soon.

Don Gerolamo wrote: And in Holland we have a proverb which goes like this: Wie kaatst moet de bal verwachten. Which means something like The one who tosses the ball, has to expect that he'll recieve it back. In other words... We feel that we are treated unfairly here, so why not treat the ones here unfair?

Ducksoup wrote:

the_hero wrote: And btw, as opposite of some of you I don't live on Queen. I'm part of this crew because I know a lot about concerts over the years so I wanted to share my knowledge with it. I lost my collecting spirit a while ago so for example Jeroen can brag about his Drammen concert as much as he wants, but point 1, I couldn't care less and point 2, there are more people having it and it will leak so don't get all that excited. Someone said that "a Dutch teenager" or something like that was "trying to rule the trading business" <-- as you can see I don't give a fuck about what you people write, but at least this teenager knows a lot about Queen and shouldn't be underestemated. Say all that you want about me or about our website, for instance that we are arrogant brats. But if we really were that arrogance and maybe greedy, then I wonder why so many people where happy with what we have shared before, which can't be said of people that call theirselves so called "serious traders". We trade and sometimes share things, but only if the person we got it from approves. And I won't be begging for concerts like Drammen or Atlanta '77. People still contact US for trades so that must mean that we're still doing a great job, as opposite of what many people claim that our site will fade away soon.

I don't think people with real rare stuff are willing to trade with you guys if you keep behaving like you guys are doing. I'm sure you won't get my: Drammen 1982 Rotterdam 2005 DVD Antwerpen 2005 DVD I won't leak. You will never get it.

djaef wrote:

Don Gerolamo wrote: And in Holland we have a proverb which goes like this: Wie kaatst moet de bal verwachten. Which means something like The one who tosses the ball, has to expect that he'll recieve it back. In other words... We feel that we are treated unfairly here, so why not treat the ones here unfair?

Why not? Because you won't make any friends from it. One of the basic tenets of Christainity (and no, don't look at me. I'm a raging atheist) is 'turn the other cheek'. That is what you need to do here. I think you breakthru boys should take a deep breath, and forget about all this stuff. The original call for politeness was fair enough, and you apologised. That should have been the end of it. I'm not blaming you that you kept it going, but it serves no-ones purposes (especially your own) by getting all huffed up about it and basically saying screw you.. Put your pride away, and don't get drawn into to stupid arguments. There is also a great saying in English: 'Don't burn your bridges' Take a chill pill. This topic was about politeness. But there have been quite a few people who have been anything but polite.... Time to leave this one alone before I get dragged in myself.

the_hero wrote: Ducksoup. Why do you think only "elite traders", as you seem to call yourself, have all the rare stuff,

Rip Van Winkle wrote: It has nothing to do with sharing rare concerts. It is all about attitude and hype. If the dutch boys could behave more like Fairy Feller (he uploaded the rare Milwaukee 75 and Kassel 82 concerts) perhaps the dutch boys would not be so controversial and not have image issues. Fairy Feller shared these two concerts without controversy, because he did it without attitude and hype.

<font color=black>Ðon Gerolamo</font> wrote:

I really don't understand guys like you you unthankful bastard. I'm off.

I may be a bastard, but how can I be unthankful when I have never downloaded from the dutch boys?
Since I joined the Queenhub last year, I have only used the torrents for Milwaukee 75 and Kassel 82.

the_hero wrote:

Rip Van Winkle wrote: I see that the dutch boys have no explanation as to why Fairy Feller is respected, while the dutch boys have a PR problem.

well these Dutch boys are out of here. go ahead with getting stuff from Fairy Feller, asshole. And saying Dutch boys have no explanation is a typical American fucked up patriotic thing to say that the American boys are such an angels. We don't have a PR problem, you have problems accepting that we just put a readme file to promote our website cause that was an easier way to get people to know from us. And let me tell you we had about 3000 visits to our site for the last 2 months willing to make a trade and we did our best to keep everyone satisfied. AND STILL people send us lists with requests for a trade. So mr know-better I think our PR DID work, but you have problems accepting it. You're just another leech with nothing to offer and not willing to offer a single thing, like you said you were seeding NY '77 well, I don't see any fucking seeds. Goodbye.