| dudeofqueen 17.03.2020 15:25 |
link Dear Brian, Thanks for drawing our attention to your your Soapbox post. I'm sure the 30 or so people that read it will be thrilled by your acumen. We scan read it for the 25 seconds it deserved whilst we try to save lives. Your's is just one side of the story at a time where no one knows or can claim to know what to do and when. Advice to the UK public remains robust in the light of information we are receiving from both left, right and all points inbetween of the spectrum to create what we believe to be the most balanced, sensible advice to our citizens. You, on the other hand, may be slightly biased in the face of the cencellation or postponement of your upcoming tour. I'm sure your managers have insurance policies in place to mitigate such things; unless, of course, you deigned to get your hands dirty.........as if. We would encourage all of your fans to seek recompense through their credit card companies. Don't be too quick to point fingers Brian; you chose your path of (ahem) "artisrty" and provide no real service of value to anyone. Meanwhile, politicians, emergency service workers and people in real jobs will continue to make the bvery best of the situation, keep calm, and carry on in the spirit of those that experienced and survived The Blitz. The economy that you want us to stop talking about is the same economy that employs the people that buy the CDs and tickets to come and see your karaoke show; do you REALLY want us to take focus off of that so that they lose their jobs and their homes? Your last job; what exactly was that Mr. May given that you spent 4 years after leaving school at University being funded by the UK taxpayer? Paper round? Delaying is "shite" is it? I'm not overly certain that this is a great word for the recipient of a Doctorate to express himself given the vast amount of time and energy numerous experts in their fields are spending on doing their best to mitigate the efects of this virus on the population. Please, given that you have time on your hands now, read information representing all sides of the issue, not just the narrow, blinkered view you choose to support. Be assured, though, should we ever need to know how to tune a G-string, we'll be on the blower to you right away old son. Would be interested to know; had Mr Corbyn been advised in exactly this way to deliver exactly this message, what would you be posting then? We look forward to your thoughts in the coming hours - most especially given that our plans to scale back the badger cull seem to have escaped your notice. We, on the other hand, will cary on - day and night - to come up with a solution. "Don't stop us now" (did you see what I did there.......? Boris and the COBRA team. |
| Lplix 17.03.2020 16:23 |
words, words, words .... we Italians will be a small people for those who want to delay, but we are making (most of us) enormous sacrifices to save our compatriots and ourself. My wife works in the intensive care unit (where the most serious infected patients go) and I can tell you that if they told them what is being said to the relatives of those who enter the hospital, perhaps a little more common sense would find it (maybe) at the bottom to their soul. Some nations must understand that human capital is true capital. I wish all the mankind people to act on common sense, taking care of their loved ones and neighbors; ISOLATE YOURSELF, whether you are young or old, you don’t know if you are positive if you haven’t symptoms, but you can infect some other that could die for it, causing enormous suffering to their loved ones, who could not even see him one last time . Doing so everything will end sooner, not without victims, but far fewer than there could be, leaving everyone the freedom to go to the stadium, to concerts, to the pub. hold on two or three months and everything will end. isolate ourselves now to embrace tomorrow. I wish everyone the best |
| The Real Wizard 17.03.2020 16:39 |
dudeofqueen wrote: you chose your path of (ahem) "artisrty" and provide no real service of value to anyone.Your point of view is largely valid, apart from this sentence. Qualitative vs quantitative. If you don't recognize the role that the arts play in society (and for many people, make life worth living), then why are you even posting on a music forum? |
| dudeofqueen 17.03.2020 17:10 |
Officer Clawhauser, re: >If you don't recognize the role that the arts play in society (and for many people, make life worth living), then why are you even posting on a music forum? Can't get hold of Boris for a comment - he's hosting a press conference as I type this...... |
| stevelondon20 17.03.2020 17:21 |
Made the link clickable. https://brianmay.com/brian/brianssb/brianssb.html |
| on my way up 17.03.2020 17:54 |
UK policy regarding Covid-19 is a disaster. Many many people in the UK will get the disease because of this policy and looks like way too many will die. I hope I'm wrong. |
| dudeofqueen 17.03.2020 18:00 |
on my way up, re: And what do you know that the medical, scientific and economic experts don't? As far as the UK is concerned, its chest out, chin up and fight. As it has always been. Much like we did when defeating Hitler and his mates; look how they turned out......... Our Government is strong, our Monarchy thriving and our people even more resiliant. Which country are you based in and how's policy lookng there? |
| on my way up 17.03.2020 18:30 |
I know very little. Just look at what happened in Italy. At first very little because people didn't take the issue seriously. Then - like a tsunami - they were hit by far too many infected people. This has resulted in the hospitals not being able to give all patients the care they need. And so things got out of hand. Now in the UK the policy seems to be to let it run through the country. But it's so contagious that the ones who get it today in pubs, bars etc. will be the ones in the hospital 7 or more days from now and in the meantime each one of them gives it to several other people who do the same etc.. You only see the effect afterwards when it is too late. Also, it's no good idea to not prevent young people of getting this illness (as luch as possible of course). Now in Belgium many young people (less than 50 years old) are in icu because of severe pneumonia. We do not know what the longterm effects are. It's better to now protect as many people as possible so the health system doesn't collapse and everyone can be treated (icu places still available). And in the meantime search for a vaccination to protect people for the future (this is way more controlled than what's happening now in the UK). |
| people on streets 17.03.2020 20:12 |
I agree with Raf. Everyone at our firm works from home. Better safe then sorry. |
| Freddie Jupiter 17.03.2020 20:52 |
Another shit social media post from Brian once again showing his myopia and poor self-awereness. Why does he keep posting such rubbish all the time. How come Freddus roger and John don't? Actually we know why Freddus doesn't, but how come Roger and John don't? |
| emrabt 17.03.2020 20:53 |
Well cinemas and theaters in the UK have shut and most places to eat no longer allow sitting in, only taking away food. Baby clubs and other social gatherings at local community centres and church halls have been canceled. A lot of holiday parks are closing currently. Schools are still open, offices seem to be finding their own solutions, mostly working from home, or a two week on, two week off rota of people. People are being encouraged to self isolate as much as possible, most are following the advice. We can all see what is happening in Italy, Spain and France. We are a week or two away from a full lockdown situation. |
| The Real Wizard 17.03.2020 22:17 |
As expected, like most reasonable people Brian changed his mind within 48 hours. Now that the Stereophonics just played arena shows, expect the UK to have thousands of more cases. Soon they'll be on par with Italy. STAY HOME. |
| brENsKi 17.03.2020 22:20 |
our Company have told us to work from home for the next (upto) 12 weeks. Being semi-retired, I only work 3 mornings a week, so the next three months will be, sweatpants, t-shirt and a bottle of Jameson's close by...with some cracking tunes playing in the background. who said you shouldn't enjoy work? |
| Penetration_Guru 17.03.2020 23:29 |
While Brian's linked report is a bit niche, it's sensibly written and presented, and stands up to my (very limited) analysis. There may be a degree of confirmation bias in this, admittedly, as I've been advocating a dramatic lockdown for about a week and a half. It's going to be difficult for pretty much everyone (even millionaires eventually...) as the knock on effects of not being able to earn money hit individuals, neighbours, families, friends, and the economic recovery (an important consideration) is going to take years. We should still do it, but the discussion on how we support each other going forward needs to start. I'm working from home, but concerned as to whether my employer can maintain cashflow in reduced circumstances for a number of months. |
| Penetration_Guru 17.03.2020 23:31 |
Quick factoid - after University, Brian worked as a schoolteacher for a while. Whether there was also a paper round is unknown. |
| The Circle of Eidolon 18.03.2020 00:39 |
dudeofqueen wrote: on my way up, re:The Circle of Eidolon has read and taken in the narrow view presented born in a conflict that ended in 1945. Dudeofqueen you speak of chin up, chest out and fight. You talk of beating Hitler. The Circle of Eidolon is aware, unlike you appear to be, that Hitler was beaten by men with guns firing bullets into others. Aircraft dropping bombs on to cities filled with civilians. How do you equate the actions that won a war with the actions that will save people from this virus. The Circle of Eidolon knows that your chin up, chest out attitude can not stop a bullet anymore than it can stop the invisible enemy that haunts our steets. You have much to learn before you make such comments. The Circle of Eidolon has spoken. There is much that we all don't know and still need to learn. |
| Saint Jiub 18.03.2020 03:38 |
Our stupid governor of Illinois, a Chicago democratic machine politician, shut down schools, restaurants, gyms, and bars (and banned gatherings of 50 or more people), but allowed the Illinois primary elections to be held today. It does not matter that people will die, because Biden trounced that upstart Bernie, and that is exactly what the democratic machine wants. |
| stevelondon20 18.03.2020 08:12 |
I'm hoping the UK Government will step in and offer some form of subsided mortgage and domestic bill relief. Otherwise, this is going to be horrendous. |
| emrabt 18.03.2020 08:50 |
Something has to happen with regard to rent and mortgage payments, the "government backed loans" they've offered don't actually solve the problem. |
| thomasquinn 32989 18.03.2020 10:14 |
dudeofqueen wrote: on my way up, re:Jesus H. Christ on rollerskates. You couldn't have sounded more like a parody of a jingo if you'd tried. Here are a couple of points - your brilliant prime minister tells people to avoid certain businesses, like restaurants, but he doesn't shut them down - that way, these businesses can't call on their insurance but have to cover their losses themselves. Fantastic economic thinking, hm? Your country is literally *the worst in Europe* in taking action to prevent the spread of the virus, but when it does take measures, it *incompetently leaks them to the media, causing panic* (see Brian's original post as an example). Do you see how utterly ridiculous it is to refer to the Second World War? (not to mention that the British track record in World War Two is far from flawless, and you wouldn't have stood a chance without Roosevelt propping you up - WWII was the perfect example that no country can go it alone in the modern world, certainly not the UK). And then there's that weird "the monarchy is strong" line. Even if that were true, what possible relevance could that have? I have seen some weird nonsense, but this takes the cake for the month. |
| emrabt 18.03.2020 10:38 |
Finally they've realized Restaurants, caterers, clubs and pubs are going to need Goverment Grants and not Loans to cover the cost of lost business, and people paying mortgages will have 3 month holiday.... But what about those paying rent, and those in other employment that need to shut down over this? There has clearly been no planning at all over the realities of what's going to happen. |
| Vocal harmony 18.03.2020 13:04 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:This ^^^dudeofqueen wrote: on my way up, re:Jesus H. Christ on rollerskates. You couldn't have sounded more like a parody of a jingo if you'd tried. Here are a couple of points - your brilliant prime minister tells people to avoid certain businesses, like restaurants, but he doesn't shut them down - that way, these businesses can't call on their insurance but have to cover their losses themselves. Fantastic economic thinking, hm? Your country is literally *the worst in Europe* in taking action to prevent the spread of the virus, but when it does take measures, it *incompetently leaks them to the media, causing panic* (see Brian's original post as an example). Do you see how utterly ridiculous it is to refer to the Second World War? (not to mention that the British track record in World War Two is far from flawless, and you wouldn't have stood a chance without Roosevelt propping you up - WWII was the perfect example that no country can go it alone in the modern world, certainly not the UK). And then there's that weird "the monarchy is strong" line. Even if that were true, what possible relevance could that have? I have seen some weird nonsense, but this takes the cake for the month. It's hard to imagine an educated intelligent person supporting this view. But he obviously supports a government who are equally foolish. Three weeks ago in a TV interview Matt Hancock ( Secretary of State) said the NHS in the UK had 50 sealed tented isolation beds which he claimed could "easily be up scaled to 50,000 or even 500,000" and " Corona virus is nothing to worry about most people who contract it will just have a mild cough". Those are the words of a senior British politician three weeks ago, he like the rest of the government and dudeofqueen are displaying pure idiocy. What, exactly are his strong Monarchy going to do. One has resigned his post and done a runner to another country, another has been "sacked" by his mother because of dubious meetings, some caight on camera. The two people at the head of this "strong monarchy" are about to be isolated and protected beyond belief. dudeofqueen you are a fool if you really believe any of what you're saying. |
| brENsKi 18.03.2020 13:31 |
Vocal harmony wrote:Three weeks ago in a TV interview Matt Hancock ( Secretary of State) said ... "Corona virus is nothing to worry about most people who contract it will just have a mild cough".in fairness to him: it will be chickenfeed compared to the bluea Gervid-19 Virus that Gerry is trying to spread. If that baby takes hold, then intelligent life is fucked. for good. |
| Vocal harmony 18.03.2020 13:44 |
brENsKi wrote:I believe they are holding a special debate on Gerry's issues in Parliament this week.Vocal harmony wrote:Three weeks ago in a TV interview Matt Hancock ( Secretary of State) said ... "Corona virus is nothing to worry about most people who contract it will just have a mild cough".in fairness to him: it will be chickenfeed compared to the bluea Gervid-19 Virus that Gerry is trying to spread. If that baby takes hold, then intelligent life is fucked. for good. |
| thomasquinn 32989 18.03.2020 13:56 |
brENsKi wrote:I strongly support preventive culling for that particular disease, I'm sure Brian would agree if we badger him enough.Vocal harmony wrote:Three weeks ago in a TV interview Matt Hancock ( Secretary of State) said ... "Corona virus is nothing to worry about most people who contract it will just have a mild cough".in fairness to him: it will be chickenfeed compared to the bluea Gervid-19 Virus that Gerry is trying to spread. If that baby takes hold, then intelligent life is fucked. for good. I know, I know, that last one is terrible. But you have to admit, the first part is a good idea. |
| brENsKi 18.03.2020 14:01 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:i think he's just been deleted. peace has now broken out.brENsKi wrote:I strongly support preventive culling for that particular disease, I'm sure Brian would agree if we badger him enough. I know, I know, that last one is terrible. But you have to admit, the first part is a good idea.Vocal harmony wrote:Three weeks ago in a TV interview Matt Hancock ( Secretary of State) said ... "Corona virus is nothing to worry about most people who contract it will just have a mild cough".in fairness to him: it will be chickenfeed compared to the bluea Gervid-19 Virus that Gerry is trying to spread. If that baby takes hold, then intelligent life is fucked. for good. |
| thomasquinn 32989 18.03.2020 14:07 |
brENsKi wrote:*stares at fingers in disbelief*thomasquinn 32989 wrote:i think he's just been deleted. peace has now broken out.brENsKi wrote:I strongly support preventive culling for that particular disease, I'm sure Brian would agree if we badger him enough. I know, I know, that last one is terrible. But you have to admit, the first part is a good idea.Vocal harmony wrote:Three weeks ago in a TV interview Matt Hancock ( Secretary of State) said ... "Corona virus is nothing to worry about most people who contract it will just have a mild cough".in fairness to him: it will be chickenfeed compared to the bluea Gervid-19 Virus that Gerry is trying to spread. If that baby takes hold, then intelligent life is fucked. for good. "Get away frae me, I dinna know my ane powers!" |
| brENsKi 18.03.2020 14:16 |
hehe |
| Deaky. 18.03.2020 17:29 |
Brenski You really cannot live without mentioning me in your posts can you.? Again trolling the boards with your utter stupid banter. You have more chance for pegging it than me so i would shut up if i were you paddy! |
| Holly2003 18.03.2020 18:33 |
millionaire_waltz wrote: You have more chance for pegging it than me so i would shut up if i were you paddy!The Four Horsemen are currently stalking the Earth. If I were you I wouldn't draw attention to myself like this. |
| Deaky. 18.03.2020 19:05 |
What the hell are you going about it child ? |
| The Real Wizard 18.03.2020 19:06 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:You guys are the best.brENsKi wrote:I strongly support preventive culling for that particular disease, I'm sure Brian would agree if we badger him enough. I know, I know, that last one is terrible. But you have to admit, the first part is a good idea.Vocal harmony wrote:Three weeks ago in a TV interview Matt Hancock ( Secretary of State) said ... "Corona virus is nothing to worry about most people who contract it will just have a mild cough".in fairness to him: it will be chickenfeed compared to the bluea Gervid-19 Virus that Gerry is trying to spread. If that baby takes hold, then intelligent life is fucked. for good. |
| The Real Wizard 18.03.2020 19:07 |
millionaire_waltz wrote: Brenski You really cannot live without mentioning me in your posts can you.? Again trolling the boards with your utter stupid banter. You have more chance for pegging it than me so i would shut up if i were you paddy!You just can't take the hint, can you Gerry? How many times have you been banned now for being a forum troll? No matter how many times you refer to sane people as trolls, you're not going to convince anyone, not least because you are still unable to concoct a coherent sentence. |
| Deaky. 18.03.2020 19:09 |
Brenski Intelligent life? well you have nothing to fear then been a thicko id stick to working five mornings a week instead of three then you cannot obsess over me all the time Ha ha ha |
| Deaky. 18.03.2020 19:11 |
Real Wizard Do yourself a favour and keep your beak out wanker. |
| The Real Wizard 18.03.2020 19:15 |
millionaire_waltz wrote: keep your beak out wankerWhat is a "beak out wanker" ? Can I buy it at Walmart? I googled the phrase in quotes and it came up with zero results. |
| Deaky. 18.03.2020 19:15 |
You are fucking thick man. |
| brENsKi 18.03.2020 19:16 |
millionaire_waltz wrote:Brenski Intelligent life?well Gerry, you do make everyone here look like Nuclear Scientists, by comparison to yourself. |
| Deaky. 18.03.2020 19:16 |
God i cannot believe how thick you really are lol |
| Deaky. 18.03.2020 19:17 |
You still around ? I thought you would be locked up by now in a white coat! |
| Holly2003 18.03.2020 19:29 |
millionaire_waltz wrote: God i cannot believe how thick you really are lolGod's not gonna like you calling him thick. Remember what I told you about the Four Horsemen. They're God's rent collectors. |
| brENsKi 18.03.2020 19:33 |
millionaire_waltz wrote:You still around ? I thought you would be locked up by now in a white coat!people in "White Coats" are not the patients, Gerry. They're the specialist Doctors who are looking after you. I think they maybe told you that they're the patients, just to calm you down. The reality is; it's the people (like yourself) wearing the "Special Jackets" - that Fasten up behind the back that are patients. |
| Saint Jiub 18.03.2020 20:02 |
They're coming to take Gerry away ... and please note who is wearing the white coats: link |
| Deaky. 18.03.2020 20:04 |
white gowns are provided in psychiatric units and yes straight jackets were once worn. So just be careful because your on the slippery slope! |
| Saint Jiub 18.03.2020 20:06 |
Gerry - did you watch the video? Did you learn anything? |
| Deaky. 18.03.2020 20:20 |
That's it have a dig you stupid twat. I am not falling for that so carry on been silly and count me out, i am too wise for you lot on here lol You lot have become trolls not me, this site is based on Queen yet all you do on here is act like 7 year old kids when you are suppose to be grown men, its pathetic. |
| Saint Jiub 18.03.2020 20:26 |
millionaire_waltz wrote: @Stevelondon You may like Queen + but many hate it making you the idiot looser!link link "A looser is a loser who can't spell "loser"." Gerry is incapable of learning anything. link |
| The Real Wizard 18.03.2020 21:51 |
The troll is already up to 16 posts in a couple hours. Let's try ignoring him this time. |
| PAPA EMERITUS VI 18.03.2020 22:23 |
KNOCK KNOCK...GUESS WHO'S HERE?!?!?! WHOEHAHAHAHAHA!! PAPA EMERITUS VI from The Clergy has spoken!! Now silence you miserable infidels!! |
| stevelondon20 18.03.2020 22:23 |
millionaire_waltz wrote: @Stevelondon You may like Queen + but many hate it making you the idiot looser!Looser? Please learn to spell before insulting people. |
| SkyeTV 19.03.2020 01:53 |
Gerry wrote: I'm a fucking moron.Nice of you to point that out. Who knew? |
| Fireplace 19.03.2020 02:03 |
The Real Wizard wrote:It's a typo. It should have said "wank out beaker". Takes little imagination to know what THAT looks like.millionaire_waltz wrote: keep your beak out wankerWhat is a "beak out wanker" ? Can I buy it at Walmart? I googled the phrase in quotes and it came up with zero results. |
| MisterCosmicc 19.03.2020 02:36 |
Saint Jiub wrote: Gerry - did you watch the video? Did you learn anything?I bet there’s impersonators of Gerry, Adam Worshippers perhaps, on here trying to start drama. |
| brENsKi 19.03.2020 06:57 |
MisterCosmicc wrote:we should f**king-well hope there aren't Gerry impersonators around.Saint Jiub wrote:Gerry - did you watch the video? Did you learn anything?I bet there’s impersonators of Gerry, Adam Worshippers perhaps, on here trying to start drama. Because, if the expression "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" is anything to go by, then the end of the World is very definitely close at hand. |
| Deaky. 19.03.2020 07:44 |
Nice to see you are all keeping me in the limelight my loyal subjects you have fallen in to the honey trap you lot of tarts! Any publicity is good publicity. Carry carry on as nothing really matters ! ha ha ha ha |
| brENsKi 19.03.2020 14:39 |
red[color=IndianRed] Nice to see you are all keeping me in the limelight my loyal subjects you have fallen in to the honey trap you lot of tarts! [/color]https://i.imgur.com/zEVZV8vl.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /> |
| Deaky. 19.03.2020 14:50 |
Brenski You are the one that is obsessed with me because deep down you know i am 100% right with my posts! |
| brENsKi 19.03.2020 15:47 |
millionaire_waltz wrote:Brenski You are the one that is obsessed with me because deep down you know i am 100% right with my posts!two things that you probably need reminding of, Geraldo: 1. you're here purely for our amusement - until your next ban. 2. that image is exactly how most people imagine you. kinda fitting really, if you're aware of his role in "Family Guy" funny how you were categorically denying ever having been banned, then: hey presto! along comes another ban. go on, deny you were banned this week. idiot. Geraldo Stats: Accounts Held: 10 Names Used: >34 Accounts Banned: 9 I reckon you can get your bans into double figures before April. |
| Penetration_Guru 19.03.2020 17:58 |
millionaire_waltz wrote: Brenski You are the one that is obsessed with me because deep down you know i am 100% right with my posts!Any chance of a link to you actually saying something constructive, as opposed to throwing abuse? Just curious. |
| SkyeTV 19.03.2020 18:09 |
Gerry wrote: Brenski, I really fancy you, and want you deep. This is 100% right, and is evident with all my posts! Come taste my honey, honey.OMG. Who knew? |
| brENsKi 19.03.2020 18:58 |
SkyeTV wrote:oh God... #justtastedmoresickGerry wrote: Brenski, I really fancy you, and want you deep. This is 100% right, and is evident with all my posts! Come taste my honey, honey.OMG. Who knew? |
| Deaky. 19.03.2020 19:04 |
Ha ha i would'nt touch Brenski with a 7 ft pole, i want babies not rabies ! |
| brENsKi 19.03.2020 19:24 |
SaddleBrownSaddleBrownGod forbid that you ever learn how to copulate...that'd be a true Biblical End Of Days. Note: your quotes are now shit-colour to match your content. |
| Deaky. 19.03.2020 19:51 |
Keep the abuse up fella as i am sending them to the top dog lol |
| SkyeTV 19.03.2020 19:56 |
millionaire_waltz wrote: Ha ha i would'nt touch Brenski with a 7 ft pole, i want babies not rabies !You can only make babies with a female, and I seriously doubt that any will come near you. Especially not now that you likely have Coronavirus, like why the altar boys don't go near Papa Emistupidarse. Skye has spoken. |
| The Real Wizard 20.03.2020 06:49 |
brENsKi wrote:You're a riot.SaddleBrownSaddleBrownGod forbid that you ever learn how to copulate...that'd be a true Biblical End Of Days. Note: your quotes are now shit-colour to match your content. |
| emrabt 24.03.2020 21:05 |
Getting back on track Brian is looking very Frail these last few days, It took him some time but he did see sense and realise that he himself is vulnerable. His video today was really good, putting aside this time last week he was complaining about being "imprisoned", he's speaking sense now (although in typical Brain fashion by pretending that never happened). |
| Deaky. 25.03.2020 13:05 |
Brian hates been trapped indoors as that is when his depression strikes and all things go down hill. When Brian was making the Jazz album in 1978 i read an interview where Brian said he thought of committing suicide and that pattern has continued through his entire adult life. |
| dudeofqueen 25.03.2020 16:31 |
emrabt, re: >His video today was really good, putting aside this time last week he was complaining about being "imprisoned", he's speaking sense now (although in typical Brain fashion by pretending that never happened). He's had a tough life has our Bri. We ought to recognise that and cut him much more slack than he gets...... Not....... #everseenacurlyhairedsnowflake |
| emrabt 25.03.2020 17:04 |
I think Brian deserves most of the criticism he gets, I've given a whole lot of it myself. That said He's 72, his age is catching up with him, He's getting increasingly out of touch with the world around him and i think that fact has only just hit him this week. |
| Deaky. 25.03.2020 17:35 |
Brian has not had a tough life he has had a ball, and is sitting on Millions of pounds so i have no sympathy for him at all. He is enjoying his life more that ever now without Freddie as he even smiles a lot on stage something he hardly ever did with Freddie. Back stage i think there was always jealousy and tension there with Brian over Freddie. |
| The Real Wizard 26.03.2020 01:39 |
Enigma wrote: Brian has not had a tough life he has had a ball, and is sitting on Millions of pounds so i have no sympathy for him at all.The "rich people must be happy because they're rich" fallacy. Keep em coming, Gerry. |
| Freddie Jupiter 26.03.2020 04:55 |
The rich are as miserable as everybody else. But nothing makes them more miserable than when the begin to feel death (life's great equaliser) place it's cold bony hand on their shoulder, because it is then that they realise that they are just like everybody else, and that wealth and fame didn't give them the immortality they so sorely wanted. |
| Deaky. 26.03.2020 11:13 |
@RealWizard you so would rather be on your arse poor than rich then? I think not. |
| brENsKi 26.03.2020 13:55 |
Enigma wrote:@RealWizard you so would rather be on your arse poor than rich then? I think not.surely you've heard the expression "money can't buy you happiness" add to that, there's also the Beatles "can't buy me love" so yes, being rich is nice, but it guarantees nothing - we're all the same with the same issues. |
| Deaky. 26.03.2020 15:52 |
Money actually makes people look down there nose at poor people and it segregates people in groups. Ever heard of "snobs" well that is where that saying came from. Snobs = money. |
| brENsKi 26.03.2020 16:34 |
Enigma wrote:Money actually makes people look down there nose at poor people and it segregates people in groups. Ever heard of "snobs" well that is where that saying came from. Snobs = money.not necessarily. be wary of generalising. "looking down your nose at someone" is not about financial wealth. also, snobbery is one's own perceived social standing - and can often be connected with money, perceived class, social groups, intelligence - or any combination of these. snob(s) is the collective noun used to describe such people. FYI - the origins of the word snob were not directly linked to money - it was all about having an elevated view of your own social standing. Snob (origin) late 18th century of unknown origin; early senses conveyed a notion of ‘lower status or rank’, later denoting a person seeking to imitate those of superior social standing or wealth. |
| Deaky. 26.03.2020 16:39 |
Snobbery is certainly in the Conservative party as they look down there nose at certain parts of the country. |
| dudeofqueen 26.03.2020 16:43 |
Officer Clawhauser, re: >The "rich people must be happy because they're rich" fallacy Now now, fatty. You ought to know better than that, didn't you you naughty, doughnut eating twot. Where did anyone say that The Great Contradictor was or is "happy"? No one gives a shit whether he is or not, frankly. Other than you, of course, as a fully paid-up, t-shirt wearing, lizard-tongued seeker of the brown. Jam or custard today? |
| brENsKi 26.03.2020 16:45 |
Enigma wrote:Snobbery is certainly in the Conservative party as they look down there nose at certain parts of the country.and you must know that is utter rubbish. why did almost all of Labour's Red Wall collapse in december? all of those constituencies that have never voted Tory did so. |
| Deaky. 26.03.2020 16:47 |
Take George Osbourne's "Northern Power House" crap, he admitted when he left the government there was no such thing = snobbery. |
| brENsKi 26.03.2020 16:51 |
Enigma wrote:Take George Osbourne's "Northern Power House" crap, he admitted when he left the government there was no such thing = snobbery.you need to distinguish between labeling a whole party with the stigma of an insidious snot-nosed c*nt. Most of the true Tory party hated Cameron and Osbourne in equal measure - they were neither representative or typical. FWIW: most SNP hate Sturgeon, Almost all Lib Dems hated Clegg and Swinson and 80% of true Labour party voters despise Corbyn. Labour were stuck with Corbyn because the unions chose him. I'm assuming from your tone that you hated Thatcher, couldn't stand Churchill and don't like Boris. All of these three have one thing in common - the right leader at the right time. There's an old saying: "Great Leadership Is Not a Popularity Contest" Facts: Chamberlain stood aside because he couldn't cope - Churchill stood up to the plate. Thatcher - love her or hate her, was strong during the 80s cold war tensions - could you imaging Foot or Kinnock doing so? (shudders) Johnson - Brexit, a paralysed parliament and now a pandemic - seriosly, I'd rather him than any of those "let's have a workshop to sort this out" Labour front bench hand-wringers. they're insipid and directionless. can you imagine if this pandemic continues and an army/police controlled curfew is required? it'd never happen under Labour - they let everyone have freedom to come and go...there'd be mass looting and in six months we'd ALL be dead from lack of social distancing. it's about doing the difficult stuff. anyone can lead a country during peacetime, with low unemployment, and a sound economy. it's about stepping up to the plate during wars, rising unemployment, global recession, brexit and pandemics. that's when a leader's true mettle is reckoned. |
| emrabt 26.03.2020 17:02 |
Enigma wrote: Snobbery is certainly in the Conservative party as they look down there nose at certain parts of the country.Well this thread is about the action taken around the Covid - 19 epidemic, and all parties are currently in agreement in the UK with Boris Johnson, as he's currently following the WHO advice all the other parties would be doing the same. Which is the same as what most other countries are doing, regardless of political systems. |
| brENsKi 26.03.2020 17:06 |
emrabt wrote:Well this thread is about the action taken around the Covid - 19 epidemic, and all parties are currently in agreement in the UK with Boris Johnson, as he's currently following the WHO advice all the other parties would be doing the same. Which is the same as what most other countries are doing, regardless of political systems.hear hear! applauds! ^ |
| Deaky. 26.03.2020 17:27 |
Tories are still failing OUR NHS staff by not issuing face masks and hand wash etc...... they are a disgrace. |
| brENsKi 26.03.2020 17:41 |
Enigma wrote:Tories are still failing OUR NHS staff by not issuing face masks and hand wash etc...... they are a disgrace.stop talking rubbish. if all of the opposition parties in parliament can back the Tories over this crisis - then we all should too. the whole world is in the same boat. the whole world is struggling to get facemasks - we have a huge delivery of these due on Monday - the same day as >3,000,000 testing kits arrive. why don't you go check some facts: >> like how Germany redirected a consignment of of masks (manufactured in Germany) bound for Austria back to Germany. >> like how Emmanuel Macron hijacked consignments ordered and paid for delivery to the UK and confiscated them for use in France - until the Tory Govt you hate so much intervened and forced the French to release the consignments immediately. or, alternatively, you could show good grace - and pull together on this and say "yep, i was wrong - the Tories are working hard to make sure we're okay" go on, try it. we need to all pull in the same direction - none of this is about party politics - lose the bile and hate now.. |
| emrabt 26.03.2020 17:47 |
Enigma wrote: Tories are still failing OUR NHS staff by not issuing face masks and hand wash etc...... they are a disgrace.And the Labour party, if they won the last election (Which they didn't because they were fighting among themselves instead of against the Conservatives) would be in the same situation right now, there is not enough face masks, hand wash and ventilators available. Production of these is being increased but it takes time. The fact that the private sector and the NHS are working together and sharing Doctors, hospitals and equipment should clue you in that everyone is working together on this. |
| Deaky. 26.03.2020 17:55 |
Boris Johnsons advisers were too slow to act on this coronavirus and we have become the last country in the world to act upon such an apaulling virus. We are the last to get test kits out to the public as well. |
| emrabt 26.03.2020 17:57 |
It absolutely should have been taken seriously a lot sooner, but other countries, for examples the Netherlands had the same attitude as the UK at first, and didn't put any serious restrictions in place, they were later to act than us too. Also the US and Australia. Please don't spout nonsense, lots of countries acting in very similar ways. |
| Deaky. 26.03.2020 17:59 |
Exactly and Brenski is defending the loony Conservatives what a dill. |
| emrabt 26.03.2020 18:01 |
Enigma wrote: Exactly and Brenski is defending the loony Conservatives what a dill.Part of living in a democracy is understanding people will defend parties you might not like. |
| Deaky. 26.03.2020 18:02 |
Well most of the country hates the Tories with Boris the clown |
| emrabt 26.03.2020 18:08 |
Enigma wrote: Well most of the country hates the Tories with Boris the clownThe Tories won the last election with an 80 seat party majority. |
| Deaky. 26.03.2020 18:11 |
Even Brian May hates the Tories ! |
| dudeofqueen 26.03.2020 18:28 |
Enigma, re: >Tories are still failing OUR NHS staff by not issuing face masks and hand wash etc...... they are a disgrace. You're a fucking idiot - imagine the shit we'd be in if Corbyn was in charge. Shit, he couldn't even make a decision on making a decision during the Brexit fiasco when he had the perfect chance to make hay whilst the sun was shining. Back to the Purple Mash website for you - mummy ought to be more careful where she leaves her laptop......... |
| brENsKi 26.03.2020 19:12 |
[color=SaddleBrown] Enigma wrote:Boris Johnsons advisers were too slow to act on this coronavirus Well most of the country hates the Tories with Boris the clown[/color]Gerry, please read this BEFORE launching another attack. no they were not too slow. read on. no they don't hate the Tories - you might, but they don't "they" (Labour voters) turned their back on their party to elect Boris - that should tell you everything you need to know about Labour - and more about your hated Tories. sometimes, your imaginings are so wildly wrong you'd be astounded to hear the truth. Labour Party supporters are sick to death of a Labour Party that has abandoned grassroots members in favour of the Islington Set. you are so ill-informed it's unbelievable. stop and check your facts before you spout your bile. here's some absolute facts for you on the current crisis. 1. the actions of the Govt were taken at the correct time. you can't just advance straight to lockdown from day 1. scientists need to be able to use computer algorithms to predict spread and outcomes. you can't do this without some actual initial data. 2. the further spread was because of morons who ignored advice and kept on socialising - thereby forcing the Govt to introduce lockdown. 3. the briefings have been professional, efficient and informative. - only the left wing (Guardian, BBC and Channel4) have shown hostility in their Q&As 4. No one in the UK will need to be financially worse off as a result of this crisis. > Those placed in Furlough by their employers will receive 80% of their salary paid by the Govt. > The self-employed will be able to claim 80% of their profits (upto a max of £2500 per month) from the Govt. > Firms have been given rates/rent breaks - as well as Corp tax breaks and business grants > Those whose companies choose to lay them off will have quicker access to benefits - inside 10 days, with emergency payments being made the day claims are submitted. 5. organised/structured food and medical deliveries are being arranged for those in forced isolation - initially at nil cost to those isolated 6. 35,000 additional medical staff have been recruited (including 11,000 previously retired) 7. 10,000 existing medical staff in unrelated specialisms have been redeployed to emergency/intensive care 8. a 5,000 bed temporary hospital (at the Excel centre, London) has been equipped inside one week 9. Dyson to produce thousands of additional ventilators 10. test kits, masks and other vetilators are en route to the UK today - bear in mind this is global crisis so, we've done exceptionally well to secure the stuff we need - many countries are only now ordering this vital equipment. Hundreds of Billions of £s have been found to ensure no family suffers hardship. European and Asia leaders have held up the UK's aid package (2nd best in the world) as a model for best practice. the Daily Briefings are routinely at the same time of day - so everyone currently locked down has no excuse to not hear them...what have you been doing at 5pm every day? you really are absolutely impossible to reason with. and, more importantly - you're alone in your reasoning on this one. this really is time to step back Gerry, admit you are wrong and dump your party politics - because it doesn't belong in this discussion - at all. by doing what you are doing, you're manifesting your complete lack of knowledge for all to see. finally, if you can't find anything positive to say, then this worldwide crisis does not need your bile - things need to move on. there's people dying, and you're busying yourself with name-calling. c'mon fella, can't you see EVERYONE disagrees with you. not even your usual compadres - runner, aristide or Freddie Jupiter are jumping to your defence. that should tell you everything. please stop this now - and (for once) pull together with the rest of us. |
| AlbaNo1 26.03.2020 20:20 |
They basically came out with what classic Labour would like to think they would have done. State intervention. Increasing the health service resources. Providing a financial safety net for vulnerable workers. |
| brENsKi 26.03.2020 22:04 |
AlbaNo1 wrote:They basically came out with what classic Labour would like to think they would have done. State intervention. Increasing the health service resources. Providing a financial safety net for vulnerable workers.yes. only this goes way way way beyond anything Labour would've dreamed up. think about it: Labour are not the party of private enterprise/profit making businesses. The Tory's have ensured ALL business has a fighting chance of survival. that's impressive. there's nothing that Corbyn and his acolytes can accuse of being "ignored". |
| brENsKi 26.03.2020 22:09 |
oh, and here's an incredibly ironic situation occurring on this very forum. Almost everyone is pulling in the same direction. everyone is united in doing their best and not trying to divide or be divisive over COVID-19. however, we have TWO people here who are completely against everything their own Govts are trying to do. and the irony? they're the two people who completely despise everything Queen-related that the other stands for. step forward: Gerry - the Freddie stepford and all-round Bri/Rog/AL hater extraordinaire....and SweetCaroline - the Adam Lambert fixated fangirl yep you guessed it folks: Gerry and SweetCaroline - a perfect match made in hell - who knew? 'm sure they'll BOTH be appalled to have something in common with each other - maybe one - or other may finally see sense, and stop this now? |
| emrabt 26.03.2020 22:10 |
brENsKi wrote: there's nothing that Corbyn and his acolytes can accuse of being "ignored".I agree, they also took on board all the feedback given about loans not being good enough for small business who need grants and the self employed being abandoned and actually extended the safety net. I've honestly never seen anything like this at all in my lifetime. |
| brENsKi 26.03.2020 22:21 |
emrabt wrote:i'm just so relieved it's a Govt that appreciates wealth creation and business. it's all just stunningly brilliant. in the coming year or two - when UK growth is outstripping most of the world, experts will look back at this and comment that these eight days changed the fortunes of our country generations to come.brENsKi wrote: there's nothing that Corbyn and his acolytes can accuse of being "ignored".I agree, they also took on board all the feedback given about loans not being good enough for small business who need grants and the self employed being abandoned and actually extended the safety net. I've honestly never seen anything like this at all in my lifetime. oh and there was ONE masterstroke played today. many will have missed it. granting an extension to those Self Empl who didn't submit their books by end of January. as the 80% is based around profits - a whole bunch of these SEs will now have to declare actual profit if they want to take this "late" opportunity. upshot? Govt now knows who you are and how much you made....IOW - from now on you pay your taxes. Genius i said earlier about Leadership in crisis: Churchill, Thatcher etc. The expression "cometh the hour, cometh the man" - this is Boris' moment. most probably thought brexit would make/break him - but that's now for another day. The way he has handled this crisis has assured his future Statemanship, undoubtedly. oh, and Rishi Sunak? - wow, cool customer, intelligent, smart under pressure and definitely set for greater things. Bet Sajid Javid feels like a petulant fool now. |
| Thistle 27.03.2020 03:15 |
brENsKi wrote:I agree with most of this, except "No one in the UK will need to be financially worse off as a result of this crisis".[color=SaddleBrown] Enigma wrote:Boris Johnsons advisers were too slow to act on this coronavirus Well most of the country hates the Tories with Boris the clown[/color]Gerry, please read this BEFORE launching another attack. no they were not too slow. read on. no they don't hate the Tories - you might, but they don't "they" (Labour voters) turned their back on their party to elect Boris - that should tell you everything you need to know about Labour - and more about your hated Tories. sometimes, your imaginings are so wildly wrong you'd be astounded to hear the truth. Labour Party supporters are sick to death of a Labour Party that has abandoned grassroots members in favour of the Islington Set. you are so ill-informed it's unbelievable. stop and check your facts before you spout your bile. here's some absolute facts for you on the current crisis. 1. the actions of the Govt were taken at the correct time. you can't just advance straight to lockdown from day 1. scientists need to be able to use computer algorithms to predict spread and outcomes. you can't do this without some actual initial data. 2. the further spread was because of morons who ignored advice and kept on socialising - thereby forcing the Govt to introduce lockdown. 3. the briefings have been professional, efficient and informative. - only the left wing (Guardian, BBC and Channel4) have shown hostility in their Q&As 4. No one in the UK will need to be financially worse off as a result of this crisis. > Those placed in Furlough by their employers will receive 80% of their salary paid by the Govt. > The self-employed will be able to claim 80% of their profits (upto a max of £2500 per month) from the Govt. > Firms have been given rates/rent breaks - as well as Corp tax breaks and business grants > Those whose companies choose to lay them off will have quicker access to benefits - inside 10 days, with emergency payments being made the day claims are submitted. 5. organised/structured food and medical deliveries are being arranged for those in forced isolation - initially at nil cost to those isolated 6. 35,000 additional medical staff have been recruited (including 11,000 previously retired) 7. 10,000 existing medical staff in unrelated specialisms have been redeployed to emergency/intensive care 8. a 5,000 bed temporary hospital (at the Excel centre, London) has been equipped inside one week 9. Dyson to produce thousands of additional ventilators 10. test kits, masks and other vetilators are en route to the UK today - bear in mind this is global crisis so, we've done exceptionally well to secure the stuff we need - many countries are only now ordering this vital equipment. Hundreds of Billions of £s have been found to ensure no family suffers hardship. European and Asia leaders have held up the UK's aid package (2nd best in the world) as a model for best practice. the Daily Briefings are routinely at the same time of day - so everyone currently locked down has no excuse to not hear them...what have you been doing at 5pm every day? you really are absolutely impossible to reason with. and, more importantly - you're alone in your reasoning on this one. this really is time to step back Gerry, admit you are wrong and dump your party politics - because it doesn't belong in this discussion - at all. by doing what you are doing, you're manifesting your complete lack of knowledge for all to see. finally, if you can't find anything positive to say, then this worldwide crisis does not need your bile - things need to move on. there's people dying, and you're busying yourself with name-calling. c'mon fella, can't you see EVERYONE disagrees with you. not even your usual compadres - runner, aristide or Freddie Jupiter are jumping to your defence. that should tell you everything. please stop this now - and (for once) pull together with the rest of us. I'll be around £650 down per month when the grant I will (hopefully) get comes into play. That won't be for another 2-3 months, and will be taxed on figures I've already paid tax for. £650 is lot of money to be down. In the meantime, I've been told to claim UC. I've never claimed anything like that before, and am having difficulty with the process because it's all online and the website is experiencing a heavy load just now. Even if I'm approved, I wouldn't receive a payment until the end of April, and it would be less that 50% of what I earn working. Then it's grant time! Some self-employed will be allowed to still work AND get that grant. The service I was providing up until last week will not be allowed until this situation ends, and that's only IF the people who were hiring can resume their businesses. If not, I'm in trouble. Then again, atm, 80% of something is better than 100% of nothing - but I AM worse off. A LOT worse off. |
| brENsKi 27.03.2020 06:30 |
dbl post |
| brENsKi 27.03.2020 11:57 |
agreed. but there has to be a threshold somewhere. and £2,500 is a very high limit to set. what's happening to the world is terrible, and what our Govt has done is so far-reaching that it goes a long way toward removing the financial burden and stress of not being at work. you have to agree - there's nothing like before, and probably never will be again. 80% is a real help - will keep the wolf from the door - and more importantly, it helps us stay home and avoid infection. the "Nasty Party" have proven themselves to be the "Decent Party" - despite what Gerry and his dyed-in-the-wool cronies would have us believe. |
| AlbaNo1 27.03.2020 12:31 |
Can we now rename this thread Bojo, Prince Charles and Covid 19 At least Trump is ok.....right? |
| thomasquinn 32989 27.03.2020 15:57 |
It seems blatantly obvious that the corona-crisis is like a Rorschach test for politics, in the UK and around the world - Boris Johnson-fans see him doing a great job, people who aren't so enthousiastic see him messing up...big time. I tend more towards the latter, though he's done a FAR better job than Trump and Bolsonaro - I hope the latter catches COVID-19 and dies from it, he deserves it. At the end of the day, the measures taken are very similar all around the world (excepting places where madcaps like Bolsonaro rule, or where there is no stability, like Yemen and Syria - those places could turn into hell on earth even more than they already are), what differs is the speed at which they were implemented and the degree to which they were implemented. I am of the opinion that the UK acted far too slowly, as did the US, and that it will pay a price for that. Likewise, my own country, The Netherlands, put too much trust in the common sense of the people, only handing out suggestions rather than solid instructions and restrictions until the epidemic had spread quite far. Unless the situation is apocalyptic, as it is in some parts of Italy and Spain, a total lock down is not a good idea, IMHO - as soon as you end it, the disease will pick up where it left off unless you'd keep the lock down up for, literally, years - and I do believe in the 'flattening the curve'-strategy, but much will hinge on how effectively measures are implemented, how well they are obeyed and how long we can stick it out, as well as on the nature of the virus. At this point, whichever way you turn it, people are going to die who would not otherwise have died, not in the last place because the capacity of all our health care systems is being exceeded. The question is, how many. If the measures nearly all countries have implemented are stuck to and work out, it'll likely result in mortality similar to a fairly bad flu year. If not, a situation like the Spanish influenza is frighteningly realistic. Finally, as this is a totally new disease, we just don't know what to expect in terms of recovery, long-term health effects and the possible return of the disease. That's the scary part. This certainly isn't a flu, even if 80% of the people won't get any sicker from it than they would from a fairly mild flu. People with a medical background are far more worried than most of the general public (excepting those who are panicking), that ought to be more than a little concerning. As for the people who are pre-occupied with the economic effects - if we just go ahead like nothing is wrong, the economic toll will be far heavier, because mass death is a real option then. |
| AlbaNo1 27.03.2020 16:14 |
Interesting post thomasquinn, some good points there |
| brENsKi 27.03.2020 16:25 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: It seems blatantly obvious that the corona-crisis is like a Rorschach test for politics, in the UK and around the world - Boris Johnson-fans see him doing a great job, people who aren't so enthousiastic see him messing up...big time. I tend more towards the latter, though he's done a FAR better job than Trump and Bolsonaro - I hope the latter catches COVID-19 and dies from it, he deserves it. At the end of the day, the measures taken are very similar all around the world (excepting places where madcaps like Bolsonaro rule, or where there is no stability, like Yemen and Syria - those places could turn into hell on earth even more than they already are), what differs is the speed at which they were implemented and the degree to which they were implemented. I am of the opinion that the UK acted far too slowly, as did the US, and that it will pay a price for that. Likewise, my own country, The Netherlands, put too much trust in the common sense of the people, only handing out suggestions rather than solid instructions and restrictions until the epidemic had spread quite far. Unless the situation is apocalyptic, as it is in some parts of Italy and Spain, a total lock down is not a good idea, IMHO - as soon as you end it, the disease will pick up where it left off unless you'd keep the lock down up for, literally, years - and I do believe in the 'flattening the curve'-strategy, but much will hinge on how effectively measures are implemented, how well they are obeyed and how long we can stick it out, as well as on the nature of the virus. At this point, whichever way you turn it, people are going to die who would not otherwise have died, not in the last place because the capacity of all our health care systems is being exceeded. The question is, how many. If the measures nearly all countries have implemented are stuck to and work out, it'll likely result in mortality similar to a fairly bad flu year. If not, a situation like the Spanish influenza is frighteningly realistic. Finally, as this is a totally new disease, we just don't know what to expect in terms of recovery, long-term health effects and the possible return of the disease. That's the scary part. This certainly isn't a flu, even if 80% of the people won't get any sicker from it than they would from a fairly mild flu. People with a medical background are far more worried than most of the general public (excepting those who are panicking), that ought to be more than a little concerning. As for the people who are pre-occupied with the economic effects - if we just go ahead like nothing is wrong, the economic toll will be far heavier, because mass death is a real option then.on one hand you say Boris acted to slowly, then you say a total lock-down is not a good idea. what would you suggest? people can't be trusted to maintain social distance, so they have to be helped. i believe our Govt acted taking the correct measures at the right time. - you can't make decisions until you have data to use. i bet even with your 20/20 hindsight you don't have a better plan. as for the "economic pre-occupation" - it's nothing of the sort. it's common sense. if you remove some of the financial stress for people, they're more likely to obey the rules, stay home and prevent the spread. FWIW - and i've said this before - most of my adult life, I've voted Labour. but in a crisis (as was brexit) and now this: it needs a leader. we in the UK have one - for the first time in 12 years!. Before you judge what our Govt may/may not have done wrong, perhaps you should look closer to home. Germany denying Austria lorry loads of facemasks, France confiscating sanitizers bound for the UK. The EU have yet to show any leadership on this and the 27 countries are in disarray. as i've said elsewhere - it's global, and point-scoring and criticism in how other countries handle it is not the way to go. hey, but if it makes you feel better. country:.............pop......cases....deaths...first case Netherlands......18m.....8,600.....546.......Feb 27 UK.....................66m....14,000....759......Jan 28 i think our Govt have shown that by a methodical scientific approach cases and deaths can be minimized. The Netherlands has been "infected" only 2/3 of the time and has 1/3 the population of the UK...yet already has a disproportionate rate of infections and death. I'd warrant that comparatively, the UK has acted in much better order. |
| AlbaNo1 27.03.2020 17:23 |
The Netherlands is the most densely populated country in Europe. You have to factor that into comparisons. |
| emrabt 27.03.2020 17:52 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: It seems blatantly obvious that the corona-crisis is like a Rorschach test for politics, in the UK and around the world - Boris Johnson-fans see him doing a great job, people who aren't so enthusiastic see him messing up...big time.There is a third group, I'm not a Boris fan (I defaced my ballot in the last election as i am unrepresented) but i also don't think any other party would actually be doing anything differently. The Arrogant attitude around not doing enough is a cross party issue, hell let's be honest, it's a cross country issue. |
| brENsKi 27.03.2020 18:43 |
emrabt wrote:100% agreed.thomasquinn 32989 wrote: It seems blatantly obvious that the corona-crisis is like a Rorschach test for politics, in the UK and around the world - Boris Johnson-fans see him doing a great job, people who aren't so enthusiastic see him messing up...big time.There is a third group, I'm not a Boris fan (I defaced my ballot in the last election as i am unrepresented) but i also don't think any other party would actually be doing anything differently. The Arrogant attitude around not doing enough is a cross party issue, hell let's be honest, it's a cross country issue. instead of people trying to divide, we should all be pulling together. Even Corbyn's mask slipped today...three days of admitting the Govt had got it right and done everything he expected, then BOOM - today he takes the credit - claiming the Toryies stole all his election policies this week...FFS. churlish, mealy-mouth cretin! link then there's the Labour's Ian Lavery " it's going to give the fantastic battalion of Labour Party members, community champions out there, a great opportunity of showing how Labour, and why Labour, is best when it gets on the front foot and best when it brings people together. “We need to make sure that we do that and community organising - what a great opportunity it's going to give us." - disgraceful human being. he's probably (in a nutshell) summed up why i don;t feel i'll ever vote labour again, |
| AlbaNo1 28.03.2020 00:55 |
Bypassing the population density stat because It doesn’t suit you London is about 30% of cases with 13% population Suit you sir |
| brENsKi 28.03.2020 07:27 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:Unless the situation is apocalyptic, as it is in some parts of Italy and Spain, a total lock down is not a good idea, IMHO - as soon as you end it, the disease will pick up where it left off unless you'd keep the lock down up for literally years. AlbaNo1 wrote:The Netherlands is the most densely populated country in Europe. You have to factor that into comparisons.well, perhaps you should tell THomasQuinn this. He's a Dutch resident and is saying lockdowns are a bad idea. a complete lockdown in densely populated areas IS the way to fix this. also, let's say for instance that The Netherlands is "completely COVID-19 free for three months, - lockdown can be lifted,all borders and flights in/out will need to remain closed except to other COVID-19-free countries signing agreements to do the same thing. AlbaNo1 wrote:Bypassing the population density stat because It doesn’t suit youLondon is about 30% of cases with 13% population Suit you siri haven't bypassed anything. every country has a capital city with dense populations - thereby presenting one of two geographic disproportional stats. but, you either include the whole of a country, or you concentrate on capitals - either way, London still compares well with others. |
| AlbaNo1 28.03.2020 13:27 |
I think a rural/ urban policy split would make sense but would be difficult for a centralised government to implement My point on the density is only that you have to bear that in mind when judging the success of a governments approach. And also the average age of the population when looking at fatalities I’m pretty much agreeing with you, just pointing out there could be more behind the headline stats |
| brENsKi 28.03.2020 14:00 |
AlbaNo1 wrote:My point on the density is only that you have to bear that in mind when judging the success of a governments approach. And also the average age of the population when looking at fatalitiesi think you're correct in that it's hard to measure success - but we can go on like-for-like, ie Amsterdam v Madrid v London etc and regardless. approximately 3 weeks after lock down we will hopefully see a fall in new cases. as regards some of the areas worst hit: Spain and Italy - there is a culture of extended family living arrangements. this must've significantly contributed to the early spread, and is borne out by the information from New York. The centre of the outbreak there appears to be Queens - a district comprising almost 30% Hispanic or Latino residents. AlbaNo1 wrote:I’m pretty much agreeing with you, just pointing out there could be more behind the headline statsthere always is. but the only assured way to fix this is a full lock down. and this should only be lifted (domestically) once there have been no new cases for at least twice as long as the agreed infection/incubation period. as regards cross border travel: this should only be lifted with countries who are at the self same stage and applying the self same conditions upon travel. |
| thomasquinn 32989 29.03.2020 11:59 |
If you're not even going to properly read my post, don't whine about it. I certainly find your personal attacks distasteful, and I'm not going to address all your party-political points.
I will point out a couple of really blatant fallacies that annoyed me more than your regular right wing talking points.
on one hand you say Boris acted to slowly, then you say a total lock-down is not a good idea. what would you suggest? people can't be trusted to maintain social distance, so they have to be helped. i believe our Govt acted taking the correct measures at the right time. - you can't make decisions until you have data to use. i bet even with your 20/20 hindsight you don't have a better plan.Now I know for a fact that you can read, so this comments annoys me, because you clearly ignore all I wrote except the tiny bits you can latch onto out of context to do some more party-political whining. I was taking issue with the SPEED at which the restrictions were implemented. The UK waited VERY LONG to start closing down sites where masses of people gather. Much longer even than The Netherlands. Later on you come up with dodgy stats about numbers of infections and deaths when you know as well as I do that few people are tested and that there is no uniform standard and different countries test to different degrees, rendering those numbers useless in international comparisons. As you are, or ought to be, very well aware, I wrote that the measures taken are broadly the same the world over, because there is basically only one tactic to deal with a new, untreatable disease, which is slowing the rate of infection. I'll spell it out for you: I never said the measures were wrong, I said they were implemented TOO LATE. As you yourself pointed out, the first known infection in the UK came about a month BEFORE the first Dutch case - yet the UK implemented serious measures AFTER the Netherlands. While preaching "instead of people trying to divide, we should all be pulling together", you are constantly engaging in party-political chest thumping and finger pointing, having a go at the EU, labour and touting that Boris Johnson is 'a real leader'. That's bitterly ironic and unbecoming. This is why I don't engage in discussions of a political nature with you anymore - all reason and civility go out the window and you turn into an angry Tory fanatic who lashes out wildly at all who don't wholeheartedly support your views. There is just no possibility of a reasonable conversation with you whenever politics are involved, even tangentially, while you are a perfectly reasonable person when the topic isn't politics-related. That's an issue you really need to work on. |
| brENsKi 29.03.2020 12:53 |
@ThomasQuinn - you do wrong to accuse me of politicising this. if anything i've done the opposite. look at the Trump thread and this one. my main message - which i've now repeated several times (largely ignored), is we should ALL pull together, stop complaining about those in charge and support them. support their actions and follow instructions. and FWIW - you are completely wrong. i say this ONE last time. just so that YOU DON'T carry on perpetuating your Tory Stereotype myth about me. something I DO take offence to. here we go: ready? (and I shouldn't have to declare my voting history - just to prove a point to you). >> I have voted in all 10 UK elections that I've been eligible to vote in >> only 3 times have I voted Tory (this last one being after a long break to the previous time). >> my background is Working Class Labour voting. >> i vote with my head though - not my heart. so i can't keep voting for nonsense...much like the many in the Midlands & North (Labour's Red Wall) who voted against them this time. >> i vote for the party that i think at that time will do the best by this country. >> Brexit for me is not about being right wing - i voted for it, because I disagree with the growth and power-grab of the EU Govt - and all they currently stand for. this is NOT about being anti Europe and it's people - it's about the EU itself as a concept/project >> most importantly, my calling it as i see it - is not political. you shouldn't be pigeon-holing people's views to fit your own argument. discuss the issues, not the politics. If i say i think Boris is doing well - it's because that's what I feel. As a six-time Labour voter (i did vote LibDem in 2010) - i'd be the first to criticise him if i felt he was doing wrong. now if you don't mind - it'd be refreshing if you stopped peddling myths about my political viewpoints. oh and a of retraction said statements. |
| emrabt 29.03.2020 13:21 |
Moving away from the political side of things, we should start seeing figures leveling out this week or next in France. The Netherlands seems to have deviated from being a day or two behind the UK now too, so what's happening there seems to be working. I'm obviously no expert but the graphs in the newspapers seem to be showing this. |
| brENsKi 29.03.2020 13:34 |
emrabt wrote: Moving away from the political side of things, we should start seeing figures leveling out this week or next in France. The Netherlands seems to have deviated from being a day or two behind the UK now too, so what's happening there seems to be working. I'm obviously no expert but the graphs in the newspapers seem to be showing this.fingers crossed. worried that China appears to bracing itself for a second wave. is this something the rest of the world should prepare for? |
| richrich 29.03.2020 14:31 |
@brENsKi: Firstly, I remember seeing this very tall, incredibly thin, red-haired woman striding confidently, Costa Coffee in hand, kissing various people. It was only hours later, when I walked past her and her tiny mother, both staring at me with sad and blackened eyes, in a rather judgemental way, almost recoiling. |
