Biggest Band On The Planet 17.09.2018 19:07 |
Listening to the 24 bit high res version of The Miracle I've noticed a significant improvement in sound quality compared with 3 different CD masters that I have heard the album on. Does anyone know what bit rate the album was recorded at ? I've read somewhere that the album was only recorded on 16 bit digital tape. If that's the case I wonder how I can hear much better sound quality on the 24 bit high res version ? I've also noticed that the sound quality of the The Miracle is better than on Innuendo. Innuendo is probably the worst Queen album in terms of sound quality. |
mooghead 17.09.2018 21:13 |
"Does anyone know what bit rate the album was recorded at ? I've read somewhere that the album was only recorded on 16 bit digital tape" Wanker alert!!! |
princetom 17.09.2018 21:50 |
"innuendo" indeed has a lack of real drums... but is it worse than jazz recording-wise ? ? |
Ale Solan 17.09.2018 23:34 |
Biggest Band On The Planet wrote: How was The Miracle recorded ?Inside a recording studio. |
RobbyBloodshed 17.09.2018 23:42 |
In my opinion the drums on Innuendo are some of the best sounding they recorded. Show Must Go On’s drums are so big and powerful. The snare sound on Slightly Mad is great too. Least preferable drum sound IMO is Jazz. |
Jimmy Dean 18.09.2018 02:57 |
various sources online that cannot be confirmed claim a kind of magic, the miracle and innuendo were all recorded in 44/16 - cd quality audio. queen recording aren't audiophile-grade. they spent more time worrying about the music production than the sounds production. this is more people buy queen records and less buy Donald Fagen's The Nightfly. The latter is arguably a classic album but probably most famous for its recording process and heavily commented on within audiophile circles online. worst sounding drums is definitely Jazz...it is almost St. Anger bad, but not quite. Lars really took Roger to town on that album. best sounding drums is hard to pinpoint... i like News of The World and The Game the most. nice dry sound on those two. drum sound on one vision was pretty good. while innuendo had a great drum sound, the production slightly eased it out of the mix. i'm not a fan of the innuendo eq levels. hoping for a raw mix of innuendo one day. to me, that album had the greatest individual sounding instruments on any of queen's albums - that being all 3 + freddie's voice. John's bass tracks on this album were phenomenal. |
Togg 18.09.2018 09:11 |
Pretty well everything done by Mack IMO was the worst that Rogers drums had sounded, dry boring and often recorded with the bottom head removed so rather one dimentional Innuendo has some great drum sounds on it, The Show Must Go On for one, News of the World has some nice parts, but by far the best sound was Sheer Heart Attack and Opera, live full and resonant I actually really like the Jazz sound, it's much deeper than you think, and rolls like the Fat Bottomed Girls will live on as fine examples of the range of his kit and recording quality |
dysan 18.09.2018 10:58 |
Depends what you like innit |
Dr Magus 18.09.2018 13:06 |
The Miracle isn't an album, it's a folder with files. |
dudeofqueen 18.09.2018 13:40 |
>How was The Miracle recorded ? Depends which one you're talking about, eh? The one where Jesus turns water in to wine was recorded and captured in HD on 3 hand-held camcorders and has been torrented as a multi-cam recording with absolutely seamless editing and incredible stereo sound for something shot in the open air and under those temperatures and a crosswind. As for healing lepers, both The Daily Mail and The Star had sent reporters along to record the phenomenon but, sadly, just couldn't be in the right place at the right time and they were trumped by the National Enquirer who ran a 14-page expose on it, including a "Special Issue" featuring a homosexual leper who went on to forge a successful career fronting a rock band that had lost it's lead singer as a result of his promiscuity and, IRONICALLY, had both an album and single called "The Miracle" but continue to refuse to play it due to the, potentially, damaging connotations. The only other miracle is Kylie Minogue's arse which, at the time of writing has, MIRACULOUSLY, not been captured and remains on the open market since circa 1986. |
matt z 18.09.2018 13:59 |
^hmm never knew her ass was a miracle. ...gonna have to take your word for it |
Golden Salmon 18.09.2018 14:01 |
Biggest Band On The Planet wrote: Listening to the 24 bit high res version of The Miracle I've noticed a significant improvement in sound quality compared with 3 different CD masters that I have heard the album on.Just wondering: what's the source of this? I think the DTS tracks in GVH2 are 96 kHz / 24 bit, but other than those... Are you sure you aren't listening to someone's artificially enhanced mixes? Also, the album was recorded on analog tapes as far as I know. "Too Much Love Will Kill You" almost made it to the tracklist, and when they included it in MIH they mentioned that it was the only fully analog sourced song. I might be a bit off regarding the tech used, but I do remember the analog bit. |
dudeofqueen 18.09.2018 14:43 |
matt z, re: >^hmm. Never knew her ass was a miracle. I'll have to look it up You won't be disappointed: link |
aristide1 18.09.2018 14:46 |
Rather than rely on your memory or on "various unconfirmed online sources", just take a look at the SACD spectrum. There is a steep cut at 22 kHz, not present on the analog sourced SACDs. |
Biggest Band On The Planet 18.09.2018 22:31 |
I listened to a SACD rip of the Album. I believe SACD is the best way to hear the album in digital format. |
matt z 19.09.2018 01:27 |
Not to derail the thread (*thanks I'll check out Kylie Minogue's ass a bit later) *but as TMLWKY stemmed from the miracle sessions. ..I'd gone back to listening to BACK TO THE LIGHT today at work. ....and good God almighty is it refreshing! Noticed the many nuances i missed as a kid not understanding all the elements and distinct emotions from that period in his life. I've got a strong appreciation for it again. Stronger than before. Did the same with ANATO which almost always gets the backburner with us uber fans and it IS and likely always will be the greatest window into the band. *(i still skipped Sweet Lady. ...sorry guys) |
matt z 19.09.2018 01:36 |
To further UN DERAIL my last statement. I missed the QUEEN EXTRAVAGANZA again (*now billed as ROGER TAYLOR'S QUEEN EXTRAVAGANZA in some listings) and apparently they did FOR THE FIRST TIME a medley of INVISIBLE MAN/DRUM SOLO/BREAKTHRU this last Friday in los Angeles. Anybody go to that show? I'm curious about it and will check online for YouTube when i get back to the house |
dysan 19.09.2018 08:08 |
Drum solo during TIM? Did the drummer say Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrroger Taylor for the duration? |
matt z 19.09.2018 13:48 |
Oh for fucks sake, i can't simply drop a url in here. (On mobile) link well, it's not the Wiltern gig but it's the the Texas gig from Tuesday 9/11/18 (*I'm not changing this order for those in the U.K.) Should be starting at song 17 according to setlist.fm Begins at 1:03:00- 1:07:10 ...invisible man is really a tease and the solo stinks and breakthru is somewhat abridged. WARNING!!! it sounds as if their current singer cut his teeth on "QUEEN" and not the original rock band. He sounds like he's inflecting Lambert a bit. I'm kinda glad i didn't go now. Ticket prices were a bit steep for a tribute act and hell...let's just admit these ppl don't have any chemistry |
Wiley 19.09.2018 19:48 |
I was very much looking forward to seeing The Queen Extravaganza with Marc Martel but I really don't like what I've seen from the new guy. I've seen Queen with Rodgers and Lambert and I've seen a few Queen Tribute Bands, so it's not like I'm a purist... but, like someone else said, tickets are not cheap and I am not paying for a nanny to see something that I am not super convinced about. In the next month or so both QEX and Marc's Queen Tribute are playing close to me. To see Marc it's like a 1 hour drive and the QEX gig is no more than 10 min away from my office. Still, I think I'm going to skip them both. On the flipside, I did fly to Vegas with the wife to see Q+AL. Even at concert #14 overall, it was totally worth it, if only for hearing them play WWRY (Fast) for the first time - my first time, not theirs. |
The Real Wizard 20.09.2018 03:39 |
RobbyBloodshed wrote: In my opinion the drums on Innuendo are some of the best sounding they recorded. Show Must Go On’s drums are so big and powerful.It may surprise you that its partly acoustic drums and partly triggered ! In that song, every kick and snare is augmented with a fake kick and snare. I feel like the grinch. |
john bodega 20.09.2018 10:05 |
I don't like that Extravaganza line-up at all. |
aristide1 20.09.2018 10:31 |
Me neither, I feel the minorities are underrepresented. |
matt z 20.09.2018 13:59 |
I don't like the setlist at all either. They went from being a band about playing the deep cuts to a band playing their top 30 songs (*plus new tease during brief drum solo). Looks like a karaoke set from brand new MI (*musicians institute) grads. none of those guys look like they're doing anything more than a dress rehearsal |
The Real Wizard 20.09.2018 18:16 |
Good Old-Fashioned Lover Boy Now I'm Here Save Me Invisible Man Just like the actual Queen - there are always a few of the lesser known tracks in the mix, but not too many. And these ones are pretty decent. QE started with a bunch of obscure songs, but most people didn't know them. I loved hearing Black Queen and You Take My Breath Away when I saw them a few years back. 99% in the room disagreed with me. Q + Lambert dropped It's Late and Spread Your Wings because they didn't want to see a sea of blank faces. Queen aren't Zeppelin or Floyd. They're known for their hits, not their albums. They have been a hits band for nearly 40 years. It's just the way it is. |
AlbaNo1 20.09.2018 22:08 |
Looking at the Division Bell tour Pink Floyd drew heavily on 2/3 albums for their set. Not hit singles as such but huge chunks of their main albums in the mid 70s. It’s still their best known songs, so on that level I don’t see much of a difference. |
Dr Magus 21.09.2018 10:04 |
Pink Floyd is about three albums and a handful of other songs. Zeppelin could have been a singles band too if they'd bothered releasing any. |
john bodega 21.09.2018 11:15 |
" They went from being a band about playing the deep cuts to a band playing their top 30 songs" Eh, I could live with that if the band didn't sound comatose. |
Holly2003 21.09.2018 15:38 |
Uninspiring stuff indeed. The new singer isn't as good as Martel and doesn't sound anything like Fred. He doesn't have to be a clone but he should at least try to emulate Fred's phrasing. I don't follow regular Queen online channels -- are Roger and Brian still showing the same support for the Extravaganza? Roger in particular has a tendency to abandon things quickly and move on to the next thing. He was very keen on this a few years ago but now ... ? |
dysan 21.09.2018 19:56 |
For those of us who know about these things you really can't play the 'hit songs' game with LZ or PF. 90% of those people who went to see them, say, on the Division Bell tour or whatever the F LZ were doing were not fans, just people who saw these bands were playing and thought 'oh I'll go and see them' in the same way someone would go and see Wicked or The Mouse Trap. It doesn't matter what PF play live, it matters that you are seeing PF live. |
AlbaNo1 22.09.2018 10:22 |
Pink Floyd played their best known songs. Highly rehearsed ,note for note. Highly choreographed and big stage show. In the same venue night after night. With two original band members missing Many people traveled hundreds of miles to see it. But only ten per cent were fans. For those of us who know about those things and those of us who don’t. |
Vocal harmony 22.09.2018 12:38 |
AlbaNo1 wrote: Looking at the Division Bell tour Pink Floyd drew heavily on 2/3 albums for their set. Not hit singles as such but huge chunks of their main albums in the mid 70s. It’s still their best known songs, so on that level I don’t see much of a difference.It's completely different, an you said it yourself. Queen traded on their huge success as a singles band. Their greatest hits sales far exceed their other albums. Floyd, like Zeppelin and 70's Genesis relied on huge album sales to translate into huge ticket sales. |
RobbyBloodshed 25.09.2018 00:15 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Haha! I believe that, by that time all that was cutting edge technology. Anyway to get the best product, in my opinion!RobbyBloodshed wrote: In my opinion the drums on Innuendo are some of the best sounding they recorded. Show Must Go On’s drums are so big and powerful.It may surprise you that its partly acoustic drums and partly triggered ! In that song, every kick and snare is augmented with a fake kick and snare. I feel like the grinch. I actually used part acoustic/part Roger Taylor samples on my new double single. Really amazing program, so happy with Roger doing this, he recorded it where Led Zeppelin did arguably their most iconic stuff: link My use of it: link / robbybloodshed.com |