| bucsateflon 31.10.2017 19:38 |
Michael Jackson is not at the same high level of greatness with Freddie in all that concerns making music or singing. Their is this current from MJ poor fans to associate him with FM even putting him and the same level of musical skills. Far from being even closely comparable these two singers. While Freddie has a clearly largely superior voice he also wrote he's own lyrics composed he's own music, played instruments also live on stage and did all sorts of musical styles successfully. Meanwhile MJ relied on other people to produce he's songs or co-write his lyrics. He's voice... average nothing special, he's vocal live performances, again average. Michael Jackson is not comparable to Freddie. |
| Chief Mouse 31.10.2017 19:51 |
Okay. But was that really worth a new thread? |
| stevelondon20 31.10.2017 21:15 |
Lol! |
| matt z 31.10.2017 23:59 |
Michael had a fantastic voice, and a malicious SCOWL in later years. His voice as a child was absolutely amazing. His abilities to create songs were amazing as well. He could play piano, drums and percussion (like Randy) but he DID neglect those talents in his later years. As far as i see it, he essentially quit music from 00-7 to raise his kids. He never got that ambitious stuff back as far as the public knows. The guys in TOTO have been on record for Michael knowing his shit. He'd actually dictate it to a musician if he couldn't perform it himself. Other times he'd demo things all with vocals. It's a shame that so few of those have reached the public. The guy got into it so young that he was a musical genius. But. Like Freddie. ..he neglected it along the way. Freddie through indulgence Michael through erosion and fear. He got pretty junked up badly when the allegations derailed his career. And although HISTORY is probably full of his most MATURE content. ..it's neglected because it was fearfully packaged with a greatest hits album. Yes HISTORY has about 2 filler songs (D.S., COME TOGETHER) Onstage Michael was the better dancer by far As well as performer Freddie on the other hand commanded the audience with power and ferocity. His live voice wasn't that great. Two GIANTS of contemporary music. It's kinda ridiculous to compare them when it comes to being whomever s favorite. That's not important. Their work and what they gave to the world is now that they're both gone. Try not to waste your time getting into that childish bickering. That's for fanboys and fangirls They're two different beasts. For god sakes. ..Michael practically lived 3 careers. I wish Freddie had not succumbed to the excess of his time. |
| bucsateflon 01.11.2017 09:08 |
You forgot to mention Quincy Jones when talking about MJ "genius" Michael Jackson is truly comparable with Madonna, on par. Also these days comparable to Harvey Weinstein. PS Right now on radio I'm listening to Prince, that's a genius without quotes. |
| Dr Magus 01.11.2017 10:29 |
and Rod Temperton for Thriller. Oh and he ripped off Bob Fosse hook, line and sinker for his dance moves, look etc. He also ripped off the undies of little boys for which he paid the parents millions in hush money. |
| Invisible Woman 01.11.2017 12:18 |
Why should we compare Freddie and Michael? They are both great artists, their music is for all time. I love Freddie much more, but I know what kind of importance Michael has in music and I like his music. |
| GreatKingSam 01.11.2017 13:55 |
As Matt Z said, bringing a little bit of factual deeper knowledge to this conversation, Michael's ability to dictate/compose simply with his words and voice was unreal. To the point where, as Matt Z also said, it's a travesty that we don't hear more of this... He'd sing notes in a chord, beatbox the beats... just little things, like the beats on Who Is It, They Don't Care About Us, Stranger In Moscow (amongst others) being built form his voice. The hi-hat in Remember The Time is one of my favourite subtle inclusions of his voice being included in the beat. I could go on and on. To say simply "he couldn't play instruments" really shows a lack of knowledge and understanding. Michael's musical ability went beyond simply being able to play instruments. (this isn't to say I'm knocking Freddie, far from it). |
| bucsateflon 01.11.2017 14:25 |
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| bucsateflon 01.11.2017 14:29 |
GreatKingSam wrote: I could go on and on. To say simply "he couldn't play instruments" really shows a lack of knowledge and understanding. Michael's musical ability went beyond simply being able to play instruments.shit belly |
| matt z 01.11.2017 14:34 |
Dr Magus wrote: and Rod Temperton for Thriller. Oh and he ripped off Bob Fosse hook, line and sinker for his dance moves, look etc. (*edited)*and FREDDIE /possibly Liberace with the head to toe sequened jumpsuit |
| Chief Mouse 01.11.2017 16:59 |
Dr Magus wrote: Oh and he ripped off Bob Fosse hook, line and sinker for his dance moves, look etc.Ripped off? You mean, combined and perfected a new style that was inspired by Fosse, James Brown, Sammy Davis Jr, Fred Astaire, Jackie Wilson and others. |
| bucsateflon 01.11.2017 19:18 |
Who gives a fuck how many accolades got attributed falsely to him, he is not in the same league with Freddie as I said in the first post. Seen many comments on Queen youtube stuff putting MJ in the same category with Freddie. He is more like in the same category with Madonna, Shakira, or Rhianna. |
| matt z 01.11.2017 20:00 |
He's in his own category.....like PRIMUS. |
| mr mason 01.11.2017 20:09 |
Love Freddies voice,dont care for MJ, its my opinion, i dont care what you think, i will play 'Queen' till my dying day! |
| mr mason 01.11.2017 20:09 |
Love Freddies voice,dont care for MJ, its my opinion, i dont care what you think, i will play 'Queen' till my dying day! |
| mooghead 01.11.2017 20:13 |
Michael Jackson recorded the biggest selling album in history. It will never be beaten. For that there has to be massive respect. Comparisons are pathetic and made by a brain that hasn't yet developed the ability to think. |
| Dr Magus 02.11.2017 11:48 |
Chief Mouse wrote:No, i meant ripped off Bob Fosse hook, line and sinker.Dr Magus wrote: Oh and he ripped off Bob Fosse hook, line and sinker for his dance moves, look etc.Ripped off? You mean, combined and perfected a new style that was inspired by Fosse, James Brown, Sammy Davis Jr, Fred Astaire, Jackie Wilson and others. |
| LOTV 02.11.2017 13:54 |
Freddie's live voice wasn't that great? Well I've read it all now. They're not comparable. Jackson is the ultimate sacrificial cow, so over rated. Most of his music was shitty throw away saccharin pop crap. |
| queenrules2007 02.11.2017 15:25 |
i think mj is not in the same league as Freddie. both live and in the studio people on here saying freddie wasnt good live go fuck yourself or wank over MJ. Tossers. |
| Biggus Dickus 02.11.2017 16:19 |
queenrules2007 wrote: i think mj is not in the same league as Freddie. both live and in the studio people on here saying freddie wasnt good live go fuck yourself or wank over MJ. Tossers.What a cunt. |
| bucsateflon 02.11.2017 18:02 |
I did this thread to raise awareness about a misconception, didn't do it to shit on MJ. Someone who is registered on MJ forum(surely is someone) should link this discussion. |
| mike hunt 02.11.2017 20:10 |
Jackson was and is more popular than Freddie...no debating that....Jackson sold more records that's a fact...Jackson was a better dancer by a country mile is a fact... Everything else is subject as we all know. The better songwriter is Subjective. The better performer on stage is subjective. Depends what you think makes a great performer. Apple and oranges comparing these two. In all honesty I'm not a Jackson fan....not debating his Influence on dance music, and do like a handful of songs.....but saying all that he's not my thing. So I'm biased for Mercury...I could go on and say how overated Jackson is but what's the point? |
| bucsateflon 29.01.2019 12:59 |
still hanging on tight |
| FunLovinCriminal 29.01.2019 15:16 |
„Michael Jackson recorded the biggest selling album in the history...“ - sure. His record company, Epic, also probably paid the biggest backhanders in the history of recorded music to make it the „biggest selling“ what ever you might call it. The music business at that time was „the biggest cocaine money laundering scheme of all time“, to quote the great Frank Zappa. It's well-known that indie promo men were operating a criminal payola-like circle to get songs played on the radio. Dileo, Jackson's future manager, was a heavy user of indie-promo-men and Jackson believed that Dileo played a big part in the sale of his thrilling piece of plastic. Thus made him his manager. Even though Freddie had his diva-moments, as we all know, he was nowhere as psychotic as Jackson. Jacksons psychosis led him to sell millions of records, not his famed talent. If talent was a benchmark in the music business, Grease wouldn't have sold better than Graceland. |
| bucsateflon 29.01.2019 17:39 |
Quincy Jones approves this... |
| FunLovinCriminal 29.01.2019 19:47 |
Thank you, Quincy. What made you work with the psychotic stinker in the first place? |
| Dr Magus 30.01.2019 11:23 |
Michael Jackson was the biggest paedophile in popular music. |
| FunLovinCriminal 30.01.2019 19:29 |
...with an alarming loss of reality. |
| runner_70 30.01.2019 23:15 |
bucsateflon wrote: Michael Jackson is not at the same high level of greatness with Freddie in all that concerns making music or singing. Their is this current from MJ poor fans to associate him with FM even putting him and the same level of musical skills. Far from being even closely comparable these two singers. While Freddie has a clearly largely superior voice he also wrote he's own lyrics composed he's own music, played instruments also live on stage and did all sorts of musical styles successfully. Meanwhile MJ relied on other people to produce he's songs or co-write his lyrics. He's voice... average nothing special, he's vocal live performances, again average. Michael Jackson is not comparable to Freddie.Jacko hardly sang live |
| FunLovinCriminal 30.01.2019 23:25 |
Thanks for adding that fact. |
| k-m 31.01.2019 18:05 |
Well, this is not the most mature thread we have seen over here, is it? ;-) In fact, one could say it is a ridiculous thread. Like comparing Diana Ross to Joni Mitchell. Complete and utter nonsense. |
| bucsateflon 01.02.2019 09:16 |
Mighty wise k-m go and tell that to all the millennial on social media who make the comparison between Freddie and Michael Jackson. |
| FunLovinCriminal 08.02.2019 23:50 |
k-m, first of all, Diana Ross and Joni Mitchell were never friends and they never even thought of working together. Secondly, if you don't like this thread, you're free to come up with a more interesting one or just ignore this one. Better yet, get in touch with Delilah2 and establish a Queenzone-Knocker-Club. I guarantee that I ain't gonna join it. |
| bucsateflon 15.02.2019 19:52 |
Michael Jackson hanging on to Freddie's nuts! |
| Zori 17.02.2019 21:02 |
comparing them both is not easy , if possible, thing. their background is different. the pop was/is more closer to general public. Rock was/is for special group. Actually Queen never was only rock , so that made them so popular in general. They mix the styles <3 Michael had 6 albums between 1979 -2007 Queen had 15 albums + 2 Freddie's Michael did 3 tours alone, lets include Victory and Triumph - so 5 from 1980 -- 275concerts + 97 with his brothers for around 20 years. Queen approximately 700 live for about 12 years Freddie wasn't that good live??? Ok, lets see Michael after such a hard work ...... I love Michael, but there is no groud to start comparing them. Freddie is just AMAZING!!!!! And if you still want some comparison - Freddie wasn't afraid from challenges like going on stage with all other stars-of-the-day, but Michael refused to go to Live Aid. |
| bucsateflon 18.02.2019 08:39 |
Zori wrote: Freddie wasn't that good live??? Ok, lets see Michael after such a hard work ......who said that? |
| The Fairy King 18.02.2019 10:51 |
As much as i love MJ's music, i have to conclude that he hardly sang live after the Victory tour. The decline started during the Bad tour and all subsequent tours it got worse and worse.of course the dancing was a huge part of the show, but everything was so tightly choreographed that there was little to no spontaneity. If you put shows side by side from different tours, you can't say there was a lot of variety. Go watch his Super Bowl show for example, can't believe he got away with that. No contest for me. |
| bucsateflon 18.02.2019 13:08 |
The Fairy King wrote: As much as i love MJ's music....Jesus fucking Christ this is embarrassing for you |