| The Real Wizard 11.05.2017 21:05 |
"According to European copyright law, any recording that sits unreleased for 50 years loses its copyright. In recent years, this policy has forced Bob Dylan, the Beatles, Pink Floyd and many others to release massive sets containing everything in their vaults from certain years, even if it's multiple takes of a single tune or a dodgy-sounding bootleg concert recording. Some of these sets, like Bob Dylan's The Cutting Edge 1965–1966, generate a lot of press, though others are deliberately under-the-radar. Pink Floyd's 1965 (Their First Recordings) was limited to 1,050 vinyl copies. The Beatles Bootleg Recordings 1963 came out via the iTunes store for just a few hours, but that brief window was enough to protect the copyright." link What say all y'all ? |
| Killer_queenIII 11.05.2017 22:10 |
Hate to be cynical, but it's gonna be murky as to what QPR would release in 2023, knowing them, the BBC sessions and the De Lane Lea demos are pretty much all the early era stuff they could release, unless they got some surprises. My 2 cents on that. 'til then, as for other bands, I'd love to see the Let It Be sessions out. Been beating myself for not being able to get the Nagra tape bootlegs before they went under. Again, It seems unlikely it would see the light of day, but fingers crossed for that. |
| musicland munich 12.05.2017 01:39 |
There are a few circumstances we have to look at. - Britain will leave the EU and had already suggested their interest in a 95 year period of music copyright. -Bootleg Recordings are stolen....it's hard to say if you can trade someones music legally - while that someone ( May / Deacon/Taylor) is still alive. A bitchy needle to the 2023 release hope are the lyrics. The copyright for them...are up to 70 years after the writer died. Their regular albums and singles had been re-released..so that's that for that I guess Do we have a lawyer on hands ? Jim, are you listening ? Here is a LInk to free available Songs from 1901 - 1920 link |
| dave76 12.05.2017 06:15 |
I hope that it happens but i seriously doubt it. I'm sure Taylor and May are aware of this and have their catalogue and vault material secured. I spoke with Gary Taylor about unreleased tracks and what's in the vault. He replied by saying he has a lot of it and that nearly most of what's in the vault will never be released if it's up to May, Taylor and Beach. To be honest, i'm not surprised since we got a Monopoly game and a 3D book. For Queen it's always 1 step forward (Rainbow boxsets) and 3 steps back (Odeon, On Air, Monopoly). |
| thomasquinn 32989 12.05.2017 07:19 |
musicland munich wrote: There are a few circumstances we have to look at. - Britain will leave the EU and had already suggested their interest in a 95 year period of music copyright.You're making a mistake here. Even if this happens, that copyright law would only apply in Britain. Queen, and other bands, would also like to protect their copyright in the rest of Europe, and there, European copyright law will still apply. That's why, for instance, the American Bob Dylan also had to come up with a pseudo-release to protect copyright. I am personally disgusted with modern copyright law, which is tailored to businesses with no relation to the creator exploiting creative property for a virtually unlimited period and hinders creativity extremely. Most of 19th century classical music, for instance, would be copyright infringement. It reminds me of early 20th century American legislation that decided that businesses were people and that workplace safety regulations violated their constitutional freedoms. But I'm digressing, so I'll shut up now. |
| RS_Protos 12.05.2017 07:57 |
" He replied by saying he has a lot of it and that nearly most of what's in the vault will never be released if it's up to May, Taylor and Beach. " Damn......is it because of the quality?....delaying to decide best way to profit? .....will it have more demand the more you wait? .........wait until the queen "+" thing dies out? ...... |
| dudeofqueen 12.05.2017 11:51 |
The only chance there is of ANY box set being released is if the Fanthology project gets off the ground again. Either that or if Kerry Ellis can be persuaded to try to get Brian to change his mind mid blow-job............ |
| matt z 12.05.2017 12:26 |
dudeofqueen wrote: The only chance there is of ANY box set being released is if the Fanthology project gets off the ground again. Either that or if Kerry Ellis can be persuaded to try to get Brian to change his mind mid blow-job............But what would be HER incentive to have it released? Maybe you could start one of those "go fund me" campaigns to get enough money to pay Kerry Ellis to bring it up then, or to bring it up while she backs it up. |
| pittrek 14.05.2017 04:53 |
There is no such thing as "European copyright law". |
| Barry Durex 14.05.2017 13:55 |
pittrek wrote: There is no such thing as "European copyright law".link |
| The Real Wizard 14.05.2017 14:19 |
musicland munich wrote: -Bootleg Recordings are stolen....it's hard to say if you can trade someones music legally - while that someone ( May / Deacon/Taylor) is still alive.The legalities are not nearly that clear cut. First of all - a bootleg recording is an unreleased recording that is sold. A bootleg recording isn't a 13 year old using her iPhone at a Rihanna concert. What if it's tapes that were willingly thrown away and recovered from a garbage bin? Or bought at an auction? Artists and publishers generally tend to look the other way when fans trade unreleased recordings. It's just not worth the legal hassle. And surely they realize that people who seek out more tend to be the type to have bought all the officially released material to begin with. But here's the real crux - May/Deacon/Taylor don't own their publishing. Sony does. The same goes for the overwhelming majority of artists on major labels (save for a very few like Dave Clark). Queen may or not own the physical tapes, but the publisher has the rights to the songs (profits from which trickle down to the artist as a paltry sum), but legalities become ambiguous with different performances of songs, especially those that aren't their property, like audience recordings of concerts. Laws vary from country to country. I'm in Canada, where the sharing of unreleased music is not criminalized. And in most jurisdictions the physical tape itself is the property of the owner. And as the article clarifies, under current UK copyright law, the content of any tape is free for all 50 years after it as been recorded. So we certainly should expect many more artists to cash in, as we've already seen over the last few years. Win/win for everyone. |
| musicland munich 14.05.2017 23:13 |
The situation is quite clear where I live. Even if you found stuff in a garbage bin. In this case the new owner is the local city cleaning service :) Yes, it's a crime to pick up trash in Germany :) Yes you can own a bootleg legally here. But selling it via Ebay or Dicogs for example, is a violation in Germany. People do that, simply because they're unaware. Or in short: The SELLER/publisher will have the short end of the stick IF the case went to court. Example ( Germany) Selling just ten ( 10 ) Bootlegs can end up with an amount in dispute about 90.000 Euro at the court. Lovely isn't it ? |
| cmsdrums 15.05.2017 04:25 |
duplicate post |
| cmsdrums 15.05.2017 04:26 |
The Real Wizard wrote: But here's the real crux - May/Deacon/Taylor don't own their publishing. Sony does. The same goes for the overwhelming majority of artists on major labels (save for a very few like Dave Clark).I thought Queen were one of the very few bands that DO own all their publishing rights (via Raincloud Productions, Mercury Songs Ltd, Duck Productions, Queen Songs Ltd etc...etc), but set up a deal to give exclusive licensing rights to the records label? |
| The Real Wizard 15.05.2017 17:23 |
cmsdrums wrote:You're right. For some reason I never put all that together. Great post.The Real Wizard wrote: But here's the real crux - May/Deacon/Taylor don't own their publishing. Sony does. The same goes for the overwhelming majority of artists on major labels (save for a very few like Dave Clark).I thought Queen were one of the very few bands that DO own all their publishing rights (via Raincloud Productions, Mercury Songs Ltd, Duck Productions, Queen Songs Ltd etc...etc), but set up a deal to give exclusive licensing rights to the records label? link link link It looks like all three of these companies were started in a three week span in 77/78 - shortly before they severed ties with John Reid. In a roundabout way, Trident may have been the best thing ever to happen to Queen on the business end. It led them to Reid, and ultimately the control of their own publishing. No wonder why they felt like they didn't need a manager at the time. However, securing their publishing soon resulted in them making so much money that they became exiles. We also find the band at the end of their classic era, creatively speaking. Looking back 500 years, the best art almost always comes from times of difficulty, not peace. And in Queen's case, they wouldn't make another solid album until Innuendo, and we all know why. |
| dudeofqueen 16.05.2017 10:44 |
matt z, re: >Maybe you could start one of those "go fund me" campaigns to >get enough money to pay Kerry Ellis to bring it up then, or to bring >it up while she backs it up. I'd like to think Kerry offers the full package; I don't believe she'd bring anything up for any amount of money. Her incentive? Global adulation from the Queen community for tipping Brian's hat at us, her Yoko to Brian's John and lots more protein. |
| Penetration_Guru 16.05.2017 16:21 |
I get that any tape can be released under this law. What I don't get is how the "crown jewels" (ie not stuff from a bin) would get to anyone that would / could release them |
| MadTheSwine73 16.05.2017 21:30 |
The Bob Dylan 50th Anniversary boxes have been excellent, one can only hope Queen does the same. |
| A Word In Your Ear 17.05.2017 06:39 |
The European copyright law has been altered from 50 years to 70 years.. it is informally called "Cliff's Law" when the British artist Cliff Richard's early material was reaching the 50 year mark. Cliff petitioned (and won) for the law to be changed.. so now for the first Queen album, they will have to wait until 2043 before things can be up for grabs... |
| brians wig 18.05.2017 10:30 |
Beatles are now giving "The White Album" the same treatment that's been given to the new Sgt Pepper. Come on QPL. Get the albums released in deluxe sets with a proper 5.1 mix for as many songs as possible (not a fudged one like the GH DVDs), at least 2 CDs of outtakes and unreleased tracks, a Cd with the instrumentals on and the standard book. Don't bother with balloons, badges, car stickers, T shirts or postcards. Thanks! |