| *goodco* 14.11.2015 21:20 |
What can one say.........................? |
| musicland munich 15.11.2015 04:46 |
I 'am very very upset about that :( |
| thomasquinn 32989 15.11.2015 05:37 |
It's beyond words. Executed with military precision, well-planned, coolly, unthinkingly performed. The thorough planning, including using three assault waves, in the attempted suicide bombing of the Stade de France is bone-chilling. It's only thanks to great security that a massacre was prevented there, one that could easily have killed several hundred people. On the other hand, Bataclan shows a complete, utter, unforgivable failing of security - even the most basic, mandatory security measures for concert venues should have alerted the authorities within minutes of the presence of people with Kalashnikovs (which aren't things you can just hide in your pocket). There is practically nothing you can do to prevent something like the drive-by shootings at cafés and restaurants, but the Bataclan-massacre could have been, and should have been, prevented. |
| brENsKi 15.11.2015 08:43 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:but the Bataclan-massacre could have been, and should have been, prevented.yes. about 800 years ago, maybe...but now the only way to prevent further massacres is to obliterate those responsible - completely let's have no more hand-wringing, no more "re-education", no more policing. time has come to remove ALL ideological fanatics from the face of the earth. they claim they're engaged in a holy war - but cowardly sneaking around planting bombs and shooting innocents is NOT a war. - if it's a war they want, then let's give them a genuine war - there will be only one winner and (contentious as this may seem) Jihadi John (what's left of him) shoulda been dragged through the streets for all of his "friends" to see what their end will be like. shame is, there's no end to this anytime soon, is there? why? the biggest problem with these "extremist ideologies"; ISIS, The Taliban, boko haram, al qaeda etc - is the very nature of the "civilised world" fighting them; Obama, Cameron, Hollande, Merkel, Putin - lot's of big talk, no action to paraphrase, someone much more eloquent: after all is said and done, there's far too much said, and far too little done |
| YourValentine 15.11.2015 09:18 |
Can anyone suggest anything that would change this routine of violence? Today I saw Obama and Erdogan on TV discussing the fight against terrorism - this is beyond bizzarre. Both Obama and Erdogan have done a lot to actually help escalating the situation and they are a huge part of the problem, How can they contribute to a solution? How can my country still sell weapons to Saudi Arabia, the main supporter of ISIS? We sell our future for oil and money, it's time for drastic change or terrorism will spread even further, it's so frustrating. |
| Costa86 15.11.2015 09:43 |
It was a truly shocking event - I was out drinking in London as the events were unraveling, and with each update I read on my phone, the more what was happening seemed unbelievable. The matter of how safe London was, was also creeping into my mind. Remember that just a couple of weeks ago a Russian plane was downed by ISIS, and the same day as the Paris attack, an ISIS attack in Lebanon killed around 43 people. These people are extraordinarily well organised. Who is funding them? These are not a bunch of crazed Arabs running around in sandals. Just a few comments on some of the posts above. Re thomasquinn. I agree - I think France has shown some really major security failings recently (e.g. how the hell did the Charlie Hebdo attackers in January manage to lose the police when they fled the magazine's offices? There was a damn helicopter following them, but somehow they still managed to lose them). This is supposed to be one the world's top five major powers. There were first-hand reports from victims who were there during the Friday attack that the police who stormed into the Bataclan seemed unable to handle the situation, and were practically terrorised themselves. Re brENsKi's post on obliterating ISIS: we should have obliterated them months ago. What effect have all the bombs we've been dropping on them had? Somehow they've been ineffective, for all intents and purposes - they still managed to pull this one off despite supposedly months of us bombing them. There are many questions to be asked about this lack of progress in stopping them. Also, the nature of ISIS - their decentralised nature - makes them very hard to eradicate. There is an infinite supply of young Muslims who can be radicalised, and any dead ISIS members can be replaced, as can their leaders. It's their ideology which is the problem - and that can't be easily extinguished. But somehow, we must stop them - just as we stopped Nazism. But we have spineless puppets as political leaders. Obama, Cameron, Hollande, Merkel, and their merry bunch of "speak a lot but do nothing" people, as you say. It has emerged that a number of them came through to Europe a few months ago as "refugees". The West's Christian "help thy neighbour" attitude is going to destroy us. Europe, which gave EVERYTHING to the world, is going to be destroyed because of the weakness and corruption of puppet politicians who have their own agendas and will never do what needs to be done to preserve my continent. Re dragging the corpses of the suicide bombers etc. - these people become suicide bombers and disintegrate themselves because they have been brainwashed and have a strong conviction that they are going to be rewarded in the afterlife, or/and that they are truly doing something good and noble. Dragging their corpses will have no effect on other potential suicide bombers. They believe in what they do. They have a strong religion, not a weak one, like ours (Christianity). They have convictions. Re YV's post on Obama: he is a puppet. We now all know he is all talk and no action. Spineless, useless - worse than useless, he does harm actually. This is going to be hard to stop - terror outbreaks are going to keep on happening. It will be a while before the ideological push behind these things is extinguished. Radicalised extremist Muslims are a dime a dozen. And ISIS are particularly crafty and difficult to control. |
| brENsKi 15.11.2015 11:21 |
Costa - while i agree with most of your points, there's two i disagree with - this has to be stopped NOW!! - and it really doesn't matter how. the West can keep saying "enough is enough" but until proper eradication is effected then "enough is enough" are empty words. 9/11, 7/7, Madrid, Paris, Paris again...anyone oNE of these was "enough is enough". 1] dragging their remains thru the street does have an effect - psychologically it would get to anyone - including the ideologically brainwashed - to know for sure that the last journey they will make is going to involve such indignity and disrespect 2] it isn't hard to stop - the West's drones know where they are - how else was Jihadi john such an easy hit? - let's blow up their enclaves - to smithereens. let's wipe out every last "settlement" so that all that is left is isolated morons in Europe....they are not brave enough to go it alone - they need their leaders. 3] the wets has the technology....let's strangle their IT infrastructure, let's kill their comms - facebook. twitter etc, cut off their supply...strafe the fucking holes they live in, then send in ground troops from EVERY compass point and wipe anyone still standing. 4] close all borders...stop any mass migration. 5] oh yeah, and close that f**king channel tunnel - let's get back control of movement into/out of britain. 5] one final thing...let's demonise - and i mean demonise/cutoff any apologists social and political. |
| YourValentine 15.11.2015 12:25 |
Brensky, I understand your anger but would you honestly want to behave in a similar way as the cruel Islamists and terrorists? I hope I never see Europeans dragging dead people through the streets - no matter what they did when they were alive. We have to maintain the difference between our civilisation and culture and the non-civilisation of the people who think it is "holy war" to shoot at unarmed helpless civilians. Imo we must come to a broad social agreement about how we deal with the refugee crisis and the danger that terrorists move into Europe hiding in the masses of unaccounted and unregistered refugees. If we do not get there fast we will lose all our freedom to right wing extremists because people are so scared they rather trust extremists than the governments who clearly have no plan and no answer to the huge problem. The idea that people died in Paris because their killers moved through Europe with no monitoring and control makes me sick. We have to stop that and find means to help the refugees and protect our vital security interests at the same time. |
| Saint Jiub 15.11.2015 12:44 |
brENsKi wrote: Costa - while i agree with most of your points, there's two i disagree with - this has to be stopped NOW!! - and it really doesn't matter how. the West can keep saying "enough is enough" but until proper eradication is effected then "enough is enough" are empty words. 9/11, 7/7, Madrid, Paris, Paris again...anyone oNE of these was "enough is enough". 1] dragging their remains thru the street does have an effect - psychologically it would get to anyone - including the ideologically brainwashed - to know for sure that the last journey they will make is going to involve such indignity and disrespect 2] it isn't hard to stop - the West's drones know where they are - how else was Jihadi john such an easy hit? - let's blow up their enclaves - to smithereens. let's wipe out every last "settlement" so that all that is left is isolated morons in Europe....they are not brave enough to go it alone - they need their leaders. 3] the wets has the technology....let's strangle their IT infrastructure, let's kill their comms - facebook. twitter etc, cut off their supply...strafe the fucking holes they live in, then send in ground troops from EVERY compass point and wipe anyone still standing. 4] close all borders...stop any mass migration. 5] oh yeah, and close that f**king channel tunnel - let's get back control of movement into/out of britain. 5] one final thing...let's demonise - and i mean demonise/cutoff any apologists social and political.Wow ... so much that is wrong there ... "Wipe out every last settlement ..." In other words ... stoop to the ISIS level and aim at innocents ... link |
| brENsKi 15.11.2015 15:44 |
Panchgani wrote:Wow ... so much that is wrong there ... "Wipe out every last settlement ..." In other words ... stoop to the ISIS level and aim at innocents ...ISIS settlements - you knew exactly what i meant - but you'd rather twist someone's words rather than engage in the real discussion i have no reservations whatsoever - with regard to eradication of those who would happily remove those i love and care for. Panchgani - you're a bona fide hand wringer - you judge others so readily - but YOU have no better solution - because the only things you fill your mind left-wing claptrap. how about YOU come up with something better - or shut up they've shown their contempt for innocent life - so honestly? fuck em - fuck em all and it's time the world took that attitude well done France for joining the struggle this evening - they've obliterated more ISIS scum today than US & UK have managed in the last six months |
| snookerrope 15.11.2015 22:18 |
It's upsetting how the world's going loco. |
| pittrek 16.11.2015 03:11 |
YourValentine / Panchgani - I never thought I will say something like this, but only violence can stop violence. And this comes from a former pacifist. |
| YourValentine 16.11.2015 03:33 |
Peter, I don't know why you say that to me, I did not argue against violent measures. It's obvious that ISIS must be stopped in Iraq, Syria and elsewhere or they keep murdering innocent men, women and children. However, we must see that bombs cause more anger and more "warriors" are recruited by bombing places in Syria or Iraq. It's like the heads of the Hydra, you kill one and two more regrow. We all should see by now what a terrible mistake it was to invade Afghanistan and Iraq and to help trying to overthrow Assad in Syria. While the main supporter of ISIS - Saudi Arabia - was never touched but still gets weapons. The worst aspect of this crisis is the fact that young people travel to Syria from Europe to become an ISIS member. What I do not understand is that these people are obviously observed by the secret services but not arrested and investigated for possible crimes. If I am a member of a German terrorist group I go to jail simply for the membership. One can argue that the same could be done with young man who are obviously terrorist tourists. Travelling to Syria is no crime but it is highly suspicious when people travel there while the rest of the country is fleeing into the EU. |
| brENsKi 16.11.2015 10:49 |
I hearing plenty of criticism for my saying "wipe them out" - but what's the alternative? please don't utter the sad, tired old left-wing bs about re-education and "hearts n minds" crap.
it's gone way beyond that. the ONLY way to stop the young going to Syria and "signing up to ISIS" - is to obliterate it entirely
people like to "belong to something" - remove the source of the crusade and there is no belonging...then remove EVERY new club immediately.
YourValentine wrote:Travelling to Syria is no crime but it is highly suspicious when people travel there while the rest of the country is fleeing into the EU.and one or two European Leaders have been far to liberal with sharing their homeland with Syrian refugees. how's that going to end? A handful of these asylum seekers will be ISIS "wolves hiding among the sheep". The first bomb in Germany, Sweden, Poland or Italy as a direct result of this "migration policy" will leave that country's leader with blood on their hands. Frau Merkel's legacy will be seen as a weak willed, over liberal, handwringer, who coveted populist world opinion so badly that she threw strategy and commonsense out of the window in pursuit of "stateswoman glory" |
| The Real Wizard 18.11.2015 19:53 |
YourValentine wrote: How can my country still sell weapons to Saudi Arabia, the main supporter of ISIS? We sell our future for oil and money, it's time for drastic change or terrorism will spread even further, it's so frustrating.Same thing here in Canada. We did a $15 billion deal with the Saudis. We've sold them weapons that ISIS are now using, and we're "at war" with ISIS. I'm not sure if it's more ridiculous or scary. |
| Donna13 19.11.2015 22:17 |
ISIS is senseless. It is a death cult. Anyway, hard to figure out what to write about more innocent people being killed. It has been very sad and shocking. |
| YourValentine 20.11.2015 03:16 |
Scary, Bob. It's scary how our political elite in Europe and elsewhere does not seem to have a plan. Brenski - the refugee crisis did not arrive in Europe because Merkel wanted it. It arrived because Europe left Turkey, Italy and Greece alone with the problem and did not fund the refugee camps outside the EU. In the end the camps were so under-funded that people literally starved. For years we watched unmoved how people drowned in the Mediterranean and starved in the camps. I am not happy wth the refugee politics of my governement. I think it is impossible to relocate a whole population of a civil war country into another country, we won't be able to manage to intergarte all these people, it's a logistic and social impossibility. But what was the alternative? How can we not help these poor people? The big mistake was that Merkel in her true monarch style decided all by herself to suspend the Dublin 2 treaty without consulting with the other EU governments. Now everybody else leans back and declares it's her problem and we really should not complain abiout that. The country is split over the refugee issue. We have more possible rightwing voters than ever since WW2. But the worst is that we simply cannot have a calm, rational discussion about the issue. Either you are a brainless tree hugger with no connection to reality or you are a racist Nazi who burns down refugee camps, there is no middle ground for rational discussion. It's the most bizzarre and insane situation I ever saw in my country. At least ISIS cannot claim the Syrian muslims who run away from them and rather choose to live in an infidel country. |
| Jesme 20.11.2015 21:35 |
In the U.S . Here...no need to worry here, our president ( hangs head in shame ) has assured us that ISIS is contained.... Our country is divided about plans to bring huge numbers of refugees over here....I agree with the above post, I don't believe it is possible to integrate the refugees within our culture successfully. We have one party against bringing them here and the other party and our president ( hangs head ) publicly shaming those against it and calling them cowards ...afraid of widows and orphans he says...ummm..statistically over 75 percent of these refugees are young able bodies men ! I guess you can tell by my post which side I fall into . Anyway, it's a very sad, scary situation for all...I fear for mankind . |
| Jesme 20.11.2015 21:43 |
It's interesting to hear that other countries are divided over the refugee issue as well...I wish there were some uninhabited space somewhere we could put them in get them started and say... Here ya go..have at it . I'm sure that might sound heartless to some...but I lock my doors at night to protect what I love... Why would I not want to protect my country as well ? I'm afraid the whole refugee issue could be a Trojan horse. Trust me, I've been shamed, called names, bullied whatever over the issue so much the past week or so it's starting to not phase me.and this country is suppose to be about freedom to think and speak my mind ? |
| The King Of Rhye 20.11.2015 22:47 |
I'm just talking about the US here, I'm really not aware of exactly how it is in other countries, but anyway.... People are really making this refugee situation seem way, way, WAY worse than it actually is, like there's just thousands and thousands of refugees from Syria just streaming into the United States by the day. That is just not even close to the reality of the situation. I actually had a relative post a story on Facebook that talked about "Obama’s insane importation of 200,000 so-called ‘Syrian Refugees’ in the wake of Friday’s Paris terror attacks". We're PLANNING to bring in 10,000 over the next year, but probably won't get that many. AND they have to go through security checks that often take up to two years before we let them in the country! |
| Jesme 20.11.2015 23:21 |
The King ...I totally understand the numbers involved have been ridiculously inflated .our own FBI has stated that there is simply no way to do a complete background check on the refugees as previous records simply do not exist . My heart bleeds for these people . But, I have to admit to being very nervous about the whole thing,,,,I don't think it is anywhere out of the realm of possibility that a terrorist or two might infiltrate their self into those groups of people just to gain access to our country.And I have been pretty much a liberal thinker most of my life . I'm good with everyone having their own opinion on the subject and I'm even down for a good healthy debate on the subject, but I'm not so down for all the name calling and shaming going on between those of differing thoughts and opinions on the matter. I think it's a very slippery slope indeed . I keep hearing the words ... BEWARE OF WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING |
| Saint Jiub 20.11.2015 23:46 |
The odds of being killed by aterrorist are extremely low and will continue to be extremely even if the US allows unlimited Syrian refugees flood into the country. If you do not live, work or play near the center of a big city, the odds of getting killed by terrorists are almost zilch. I tend to be conservative, but Obama is right about the conservative cowardice. I am surprised that conservatives are that frightened given that they usually do not live in cities. |
| Jesme 21.11.2015 00:48 |
I do agree the odds are minimal , but it does give one pause to wonder if perhaps we might be opening a Pandora's box...but then I guess that's already been done...I guess we just carry on and do the best we can.And God knows we have plenty of our own home grown nut cases already . Sad world we live in. I'm not one who is freaking or indignant about the whole thing, just a little leery , but then that's my. Nature . I just find it disconcerting that the issue has pitted neighbor against neighbor...because in my opinion that sort of gives the win to the bad guys . |
| YourValentine 23.11.2015 03:25 |
Panchgani wrote: The odds of being killed by aterrorist are extremely low and will continue to be extremely even if the US allows unlimited Syrian refugees flood into the country. If you do not live, work or play near the center of a big city, the odds of getting killed by terrorists are almost zilch. I tend to be conservative, but Obama is right about the conservative cowardice. I am surprised that conservatives are that frightened given that they usually do not live in cities.I agree 100%. I am also very surprised about the borderline paranoia of the Republicans. 30 000 people in the USA die from gun shots each year (accidents, suicides and murder) - there is something to be afraid of. It is much more likely to be shot by a toddler than by an Islamist terrorist. I think the issue of terrorism is only used to cover up the lack of enthusiasm to help the refugees. The whole west is totally unable to solve this problem. Mainly Europe must find a solution very soon, it is impossible for Germany, Sweden, Holland and Austria to keep up with the masses of refugees. In Germany we stil have 5000 refugees per day, they now live in tents and containers, this is not a way to treat people. |
| Costa86 23.11.2015 04:30 |
YourValentine wrote:The West does its best to deal with the refugee crisis - and many countries have been trying to find a solution, although no easy one exists. The thing which irks me is that nobody else is doing anything about it. What's the latest from China about helping refugees, or from Japan? What about South Korea? Don't they want integration with Middle Eastern refugees too, or with African ones?Panchgani wrote: The odds of being killed by aterrorist are extremely low and will continue to be extremely even if the US allows unlimited Syrian refugees flood into the country. If you do not live, work or play near the center of a big city, the odds of getting killed by terrorists are almost zilch. I tend to be conservative, but Obama is right about the conservative cowardice. I am surprised that conservatives are that frightened given that they usually do not live in cities.I agree 100%. I am also very surprised about the borderline paranoia of the Republicans. 30 000 people in the USA die from gun shots each year (accidents, suicides and murder) - there is something to be afraid of. It is much more likely to be shot by a toddler than by an Islamist terrorist. I think the issue of terrorism is only used to cover up the lack of enthusiasm to help the refugees. The whole west is totally unable to solve this problem. Mainly Europe must find a solution very soon, it is impossible for Germany, Sweden, Holland and Austria to keep up with the masses of refugees. In Germany we stil have 5000 refugees per day, they now live in tents and containers, this is not a way to treat people. Why is it always Europe? And why does Europe have to look bad for not doing its utmost to solve the problem, as many claim? The countries from which migrants are fleeing should be ashamed, not Europe, because their citizens are their responsibility. Europe and the US are the only ones helping. This can also be said about African countries - why don't Africans fleeing persecution in Africa go to African countries where there is peace? There are numerous war-free African countries with fairly developed economies (by African standards I mean). Africa is such a vast continent, with unbelievably large natural resources. Why does Europe have to be the saviour of migrants? You know why. Because they want to live the European life - and I don't blame them, we all want a better future for us and for our progeny. Who the hell wants to stay in Africa? But that's THEIR problem - African should deal with Africa. The solution isn't for a mass displacement of people from Africa to Europe. It doesn't make any sense in the long-term. This bloody Christian mentality of helping thy neighbour is going to destroy us. And people have the gall to criticize Europe. It's the African countries they are fleeing which should be criticized, for not even being able to take care of their own people. We've been burdened with this guilt complex of having to prop up Africa because of our colonial past. Billions have gone to helping African countries. The least they could do is help each other now. But of course that's not politically correct to say. France single handedly saved Mali from al Qaeda in 2013, and now they've helped them with the Radisson Hotel terrorist attack. Yet some commentators actually were critical of France for not completely eradicating elements of al Qaeda in Mali in 2013. What is Europe? Some nanny having to take care of the entire world? It's really unbelievable. On a final note, one of the biggest issues behind this unstoppable movement of people in Africa, and also very relevant to the Syrian crisis, is problems brought about by persistent drought. Lack of water and consequently lack of crops creates poverty, and poverty causes conflict over land, and makes people leave their country. I'm glad the Prince of Wales has now spoken about this in an interview. This has been known for a while now, but hopefully it will get the attention it deserves at last. It really helps to see the bigger picture behind all this. |
| The Real Wizard 23.11.2015 10:57 |
YourValentine wrote:Standing ovation, for both of you.Panchgani wrote: The odds of being killed by aterrorist are extremely low and will continue to be extremely even if the US allows unlimited Syrian refugees flood into the country. If you do not live, work or play near the center of a big city, the odds of getting killed by terrorists are almost zilch. I tend to be conservative, but Obama is right about the conservative cowardice. I am surprised that conservatives are that frightened given that they usually do not live in cities.I agree 100%. I am also very surprised about the borderline paranoia of the Republicans. 30 000 people in the USA die from gun shots each year (accidents, suicides and murder) - there is something to be afraid of. It is much more likely to be shot by a toddler than by an Islamist terrorist. I think the issue of terrorism is only used to cover up the lack of enthusiasm to help the refugees. Although Canada will bring in 25,000 Syrian refugees, we unfortunately have our fair share of xenophobes here too. But the reality is - the RCMP (national police) and CSIS (equivalent of FBI) haven't raised any security concerns. This alone should indicate that we should have nothing to worry about. Never mind the fact that Syria has opened its doors to refugees numerous times in the past 40 years. But facts be damned. The man on the street has never been particularly bright. I despair, but live in cautious optimism that we'll learn to be better. |
| Chief Mouse 08.01.2016 13:06 |
What do you people think of Merkel right now? link asylum-seeker-sex-mob-taunted-Cologne-police-robbing-raping-women.html This kind of stuff happens often and not all of it is being reported about online. It shows that there clearly is a problem (a BIG one not minor) with the current refugee politics. And think this for a minute - what would you think if you or one close to you were abused, raped or killed? You'd likely change your viewpoint forever. It is easy to claim 100% humaritan remarks when we're not personally involved. There must be a compromise because the world is going into absolutes which leads to destruction. During WWII Sweden and Finland didn't take a dozen of my country's refugees and sent their boat literally back go Stalin. Now it's the complete opposite to the point of being deluded because everyone is afraid of being caled a racist, Nazi or some sort of '..phobe'. I am extremely thankful this kind of stuff doesn't happen here (yet). It is a good thing to help those in need but it's not the right thing to 'further integrate' (according to Merkel) those who disrespect everything and everyone in Europe. They should be jailed for 10 years. So this is my opinion, feel free to disagree. One thing no one will be able to disagree with though - something needs to change now! |
| The Real Wizard 08.01.2016 14:04 |
18 people out of hundreds of thousands? There is no easy response. Obviously it's horrific, but we can't turn our backs to people from war torn countries because there are a few assholes. Or can we? Let's be real - this is a hiccup. In the western world, the majority of crime is committed by white, middle class males. The statistics are there. And per capita, the western world is still safer than it's ever been. This too shall pass, as long as justice is served and these people cannot continue to walk the street. |
| Oscar J 08.01.2016 14:22 |
I'm a Swede and I can tell you right now that neither I or anybody I know have suffered from the large amount of immigrants we've had this year. And contrary to common belief, violence crimes among the young in Sweden has been on a slow but steady decline since the mid 90's. What I'm worried about is that the Sweden Democrats, originally a nazi movement 20 years ago, has become the biggest party in Sweden according to recent polls. Not to mention the increasingly anti-democratic political climate in Poland and Hungary, etc ... |
| Chief Mouse 08.01.2016 14:34 |
The Real Wizard wrote: 18 people out of hundreds of thousands? This too shall pass, as long as justice is served and these people cannot continue to walk the street.This is surely not the only incident. It would be naive to think that there are no problems. Incidents like this happen a lot as of late in Europe, I don't think a lot of it ends up on the internet. There is a problem and one country can only take so many people, Germany is overflooded as far as I know. And while turning backs is not good, there needs to be some kind of compromise, I don't know. I stand by my opinion that everyone should just try to imagine themselves in other situation. While helping a million, you also bring in a thousand assholes. That's what I get from the situation. I don't know the solution but it can't continue like that. What will the streets be like in 10 years if one of my German friends already told me he is glad he doesn't use public transport and avoids downtown and central station? And yes, they should be jailed. |
| Chief Mouse 08.01.2016 14:45 |
My opinion is obviously biased (as everyone's) and it was fuelled by anger from reading that article. So excuse me, I don't normally participate in political debates but I needed to rant a bit. |
| Saint Jiub 08.01.2016 20:29 |
I realise that sexual assault is a serious problem in any human culture. In the USA, university fraternities and alcohol have a bad reputation. However banning fraternities is not the correct answer. link ... But in some cultures women have fewer rights ... and the Cologne mob assault reminded me of Lara Logan ... link Logan: I had no idea how endemic that it is so rife, so widespread, that so many Egyptian men admit to sexual harassing women and think it's completely acceptable. In fact, blame the women for it. Pelley: Why are you telling this story now? Logan: One thing that I am extremely proud of that I didn't intend is when my female colleagues stood up and said that I'd broken the silence on what all of us have experienced but never talk about. Pelley: What did they mean by that? Logan: That women never complain about incidents of sexual violence because you don't want someone to say, "Well women shouldn't be out there." But I think there are a lot of women who experience these kinds of things as journalists and they don't want it to stop their job because they do it for the same reasons as me - they are committed to what they do. They are not adrenaline junkies you know, they're not glory hounds, they do it because they believe in being journalists. |
| pittrek 09.01.2016 09:57 |
There is just one possible solution - immediately stop importing the "refugees" to Europe, build some refugee camps e.g. on islands belonging to Greece and move them all there while their cases will be examined - do everything possible to immediately stop the conflict in Syria - destroy ISIS with any means necessary - properly examine every "refugee" and immediately deport everybody who has no legal right to get the refugee status or has committed any criminal act - give humanitarian support to every war victim |
| Chief Mouse 09.01.2016 12:45 |
^ good post. |
| matt z 10.01.2016 08:24 |
Panchgani wrote: The odds of being killed by aterrorist are extremely low and will continue to be extremely even if the US allows unlimited Syrian refugees flood into the country. If you do not live, work or play near the center of a big city, the odds of getting killed by terrorists are almost zilch. I tend to be conservative, but Obama is right about the conservative cowardice. I am surprised that conservatives are that frightened given that they usually do not live in cities.You've OBVIOUSLY never watched 4 hours **good amount of time to derive a "political" bend of a programme. ...** of FOX NEWS. . VERY often they avoid the primary source of an incident and report things from a very polemical protective. And whenever an actual occurrence of something that might be construed as RACIALLY INVOLVED ( I.e. if the two parties involved don't match suits) it gets "debated" *(with unconfirmed information at this point) REPEATEDLY until the next broadcast of each daily persons show time. Its sad but a great many of working class people have left the cities and rely on this crap to fill their dumbass apprehensive minds. They buy into this crap and PRONOUNCED hysteria even before it's been confirmed. And after seeing another "homeless looking bastard" reported as a man who "swore allegiance to Isis" I got frightened. I've been on subways where people have claimed they've heard God telling them what not to do with theirDINNER. It doesn't mean that that's something intrinsic to the story. There are A LOT of poorv and desperate people in the Us. The smart ones make a break for the beach towns and realize they've got it made (weather wise) for 9 months of the year, the biggest struggle is fighting amongst other poor homeless bastards wanting to steal your stuff. I don't know how good and open heartedly good and willing people can be continually taken advantage of by a group that promises so much but gives back so little. It just seems like people canonizing one effort without talking about the real results and the real factors without speaking to each other. If I were a cynical bastard I'd imagine this is prime opportunity to exchange human currency for benefits while controlling their minds. Recruits go up as the polarized notions go up. Things are .. as spoken before^^above^^ financial support is often the cause of the next outbreak. I'm at a loss to figure out what to suggest for the "world" but a good argument for the "civilized" world would be reductions. Unfortunately there is a political body that can accept waivers and such for change. How can this idea of justice be expanded without compromising one nation's ability to exploit another. Diplomacy is strange. We can all wish it were perfect but it clearly doesn't bend that way. The shocker is how many people (ordinary people) buy into this prescribed hate and do the dirty work for those behind a desk. I wish I were as astute as you folks here but I am not. I've given up believing in my presidential vote years ago (*electoral college; formidablyb DEMOCRATIC state CA; etc ) so what's the result. For years people have contested the worth of the electoral college vote versus the popular vote. But seeing just what I'm seeing. ..I could in fact imagine MORE corruption if things were left to a popular vote now People won't walk into a booth and select a choice based upon ideas and structure but they WILL (given another individuals personal private information) do soforCouple of bucks. |