| cmi 24.07.2014 09:57 |
QUEEN "Live In Mannheim 1986" - 28th anniversary edition 1986-06-21 Germany, Mannheim, Maimarktgelande 2014 CMI Music Source 1 (*): SBD > FM SWF3 > ? > "Queen Reigns The World" 1991 CD bootleg > FLAC > WAV 16/44 > WAV 32/88 > restoration/merge/remastering > WAV 16/44 > FLAC Source 2 (#): SBD > FM SWF3 > ? > "Done Under Pressure In Germany" (Gypsy Eye) CD bootleg > FLAC > WAV 16/44 > WAV 32/88 > restoration/merge/remastering > WAV 16/44 > FLAC Source 3 (+): SBD > FM SWF3 > Cassette (1) > FLAC > WAV 16/44 > WAV 32/88 > restoration/merge/remastering > WAV 16/44 > FLAC + Source 4 (@): excerpt from well-known official release of different concert Total running time: 1:49:46 1. One Vision (@/#/*) [5:49] 2. Tie Your Mother Down (*) [3:51] 3. In The Lap of the Gods ...revisited (*) [2:34] 4. Seven Seas of Rhye (*) [1:21] 5. Tear It Up (*) [2:15] 6. A Kind Of Magic (*/#) [7:27] 7. Under Pressure (#/*/#) [3:52] 8. Another One Bites The Dust (#/*) [4:45] 9. Who Wants To Live Forever (*) [4:22] 10. I Want To Break Free (*) [3:27] 11. Impromptu (*) [2:59] 12. Gimme Some Lovin' (*) [1:48] 13. Brighton Rock Solo (*/#/*) [8:21] 14. Now I'm Here (*/+) [5:49] 15. Love Of My Life (+/*)[4:20] 16. Is This The World We Created (*) [2:47] 17. Baby I Don't Care (*) [1:30] 18. Hello Mary Lou (*) [1:18] 19. Tutti Frutti (*) [3:28] 20. Bohemian Rhapsody (*) [5:55] 21. Hammer To Fall (*/#) [5:01] 22. Crazy Little Thing Called Love (#/*/#) [7:50] 23. Radio Ga Ga (#/*/#) [8:06] 24. We Will Rock You (*) [2:58] 25. Friends Will Be Friends (*) [2:01] 26. We Are The Champions (*) [3:45] 27. God Save The Queen (*/#) [1:21] 28. Announcement (#) [0:46] Freddie Mercury - vocals, piano, guitar on 'Crazy Little Thing Called Love' Brian May - guitar, vocals, keyboards on 'Who Wants To Live Forever' John Deacon - bass guitar Roger Taylor - drums, percussion, vocals + Spike Edney - keyboards, vocals, rhythm guitar on 'Hammer To Fall' Fish - backing vocals on 'Tutti Frutti' Here's a COMPLETE Queen show from start to finish from SWF3 Open Air Festival '86 in Mannheim excluding half of the first minute. I chosen to work with 3 different sources to receive complete best sounding version in my opinion: Source 1 is the best sounding version but unfortunately the most incomplete. Source 2 is the most complete recording and sounds very good after some restoration work. Source 3 is the weakest sounding version in my opinion, but it's the only version which features actual unaltered transition between 'Now I'm Here' and 'Love Of My Life'. All sources were speed corrected and EQ-processed to match each other as much as possible. Noise reduction was applied for Source 2 to reduce the hiss of tape throughout the whole recording. Some volume fluctuations in Source 1 were fixed in several songs. Also various small and large crackles were fixed in this one. First half of 'One Vision' intro was not broadcasted as I understand. As this piece doesn't include any live performance from the band, I decided to restore it from another famous show recording. I didn't reduce the hudge amount of noise in the quiet part of the concert as it's impossible not to ruin the recording in the end. So it's there as is. cmi July 2014 |
| pittrek 24.07.2014 10:04 |
That's interesting, I wonder how it will compare to my version, thanks! |
| Chief Mouse 24.07.2014 11:18 |
Thanks! Will check out. |
| Mr.QueenFan 24.07.2014 16:16 |
Thanks a lot for sharing this. I will definitely listen to this, because it's one of my favorite Magic tour concerts. Thanks again. |
| dive2063 25.07.2014 15:47 |
Thanks a lot for sharing |
| aristide1 26.07.2014 04:40 |
pittrek wrote: That's interesting, I wonder how it will compare to my version, thanks!Soundwise, nothing spectacular. Highs are pushed too much. Not unpleasant, but unnecessary, and by the end quite fatiguing. However, the choice of sources is better. For example, "Under pressure", starts from the distorted source in your version. Here has a clean start. And the compressed sound gives a nice punch to this track. But not all the material reacts well to compression, especially the noisy parts. |
| brians wig 26.07.2014 06:13 |
Hmmmm. Perhaps CMI & Pittrek should collaborate and create a new mix? |
| cmi 26.07.2014 12:16 |
aristide1 wrote: Soundwise, nothing spectacular. Highs are pushed too much. Not unpleasant, but unnecessary, and by the end quite fatiguing.There was no high-end push up of 'Queen Reigns The World' source. This source has slight lack of low-end, and it was improved. BTW, it sounds great now. |
| thefallenqueen 26.07.2014 13:41 |
cmi wrote:Of course it sounds great, it's YOUR mix... I also prefere the sound of the lp transfer over the cd bootleg, there are so many versions circulating of this recording and we're all using different stereo systems so it's all a question of personal taste! I think you did a good job, your mix sounds good, but not an upgrade at all!aristide1 wrote: Soundwise, nothing spectacular. Highs are pushed too much. Not unpleasant, but unnecessary, and by the end quite fatiguing.There was no high-end push up of 'Queen Reigns The World' source. This source has the lack of low-end, and it was improved. BTW, it sounds great now. |
| cmi 26.07.2014 14:14 |
MIX is one and only and is from 1986 broadcast... all other things are the restoration/editing/mastering works. Of course there can't be hudge upgrade in terms of sound quality as there were no new sources used. First of all it's an attempt to create COMPLETE recording of the show using best sources (IMO). The only known complete recording of the show is 'Done Under Pressure' from Gypsy Eye, but the quality is not great there. I prefer 'Queen Reigns The World' CD instead of LP so used it for this project. |
| aristide1 27.07.2014 04:53 |
cmi wrote: MIX is one and only and is from 1986 broadcast... all other things are the restoration/editing/mastering works.I believe thefallenqueen knows the meanings of these terms, if this is important to you. They are components of PROFESSIONAL PRODUCTION. Not our case. What you like to call mastering is in fact an audio optimization. Remember you started with a 44/16/2ch, and in a real studio this is at the end of the chain. If I adjust a phone recording it is not a mastering. Maybe in an imaginary world, in which the keyboard is a mixing desk, and me and my computer are Aristide Productions. |
| cmi 27.07.2014 06:17 |
aristide1 wrote: Remember you started with a 44/16/2ch, and in a real studio this is at the end of the chain.Using your theory, "A Kind Of Magic" album was never mastered/remastered but only "optimized"... as it was recorded and mixed digitally in 16/44.1. BTW, mixing desk is not a proper mastering tool. Don't be confused by these two different processes. |
| aristide1 27.07.2014 08:00 |
The problem with you is not on the technical ground, is on the human one. You chose to totally ignore the other Mannheim merge, and the person behind it. Probably based on the stellar quality of your work, that should struck everyone. The only striking thing until now is your arrogance. |
| cmi 27.07.2014 12:00 |
1. With respect to Pittrek and all his works, I have my vision on the sources and all the stuff. His words: "If you think you can do it better, try. I'm serious". 2. Where have you found the presentation of "stellar quality, that should struck everyone" ? 3. Where have you found the arrogance in my posts? All I see is your negative attitude based probably on "total ignorance of the other Mannheim merge" and lack of your knowledge in mixing/mastering processes... There's no need to answer, I hope it was your last post in this thread. |
| Mr.QueenFan 27.07.2014 14:28 |
aristide1 wrote: You chose to totally ignore the other Mannheim merge, and the person behind it. (...).I don't think this is the case. Pittrek did a wonderful job with it, but if other fans are passionate about this, and have other ideas for this project then they should do it too. I'm glad that in the end they share it here in Queenzone for everybody to hear. I don't know how to do this stuff myself, so i really thank everyone who share their works in Queenzone . Thanks again cmi for sharing this. And if you have other similar projects that you did for yourself, please feel free to share it here. It's good to have diferent views on the same projects. |
| aristide1 28.07.2014 06:25 |
cmi wrote: 1. With respect to Pittrek and all his works, I have my vision on the sources and all the stuff. His words: "If you think you can do it better, try. I'm serious". 2. Where have you found the presentation of "stellar quality, that should struck everyone" ? 3. Where have you found the arrogance in my posts? All I see is your negative attitude based probably on "total ignorance of the other Mannheim merge" and lack of your knowledge in mixing/mastering processes... There's no need to answer, I hope it was your last post in this thread. Respect to pittrek? What are you talking about? It's the first time you marginally mention him, in an answer to a 3rd party. Although you downloaded, listened, and used his version as a benchmark, and his words as a motivation, as you say. Did you ever thought to say him something appreciative? Or there is nothing to appreciate, everyone with his "vision", and of course yours is a professional one. Not to mention, you have a logo, and he hasn't. I believe this gives an answer to point 3 as well. About your vision, check the picture. It is CMI MUSIC idea of a proper mastering. You need to come up with more than this if you want to be taken seriously. freq |
| Maruga 28.07.2014 08:16 |
The first torrent I download since a long time. I lost most of my collection, so it's time to download. Thank you very much! |
| pittrek 28.07.2014 10:26 |
Come on guys, does EVERYTHING need to end up with a fight? EDIT : Wow, Maruga's still alive? Haven't seen you a couple of year here man :-) |
| cmi 28.07.2014 10:29 |
aristide1 wrote: Respect to pittrek? What are you talking about? It's the first time you marginally mention him, in an answer to a 3rd party. Although you downloaded, listened, and used his version as a benchmark, and his words as a motivation, as you say. Did you ever thought to say him something appreciative?Steps to go: 1)See the last post on this page and check out its date: link 2) See the first post of this thread and check out its date: link 3) Wreck your brain... |
| Maruga 28.07.2014 12:59 |
cmi wrote:Yes, I'm still alive...aristide1 wrote: Respect to pittrek? What are you talking about? It's the first time you marginally mention him, in an answer to a 3rd party. Although you downloaded, listened, and used his version as a benchmark, and his words as a motivation, as you say. Did you ever thought to say him something appreciative?Steps to go: 1)See the last post on this page and check out its date: link 2) See the first post of this thread and check out its date: link 3) Wreck your brain... Like I said, I lost most of my collection, so I'm trying to get it from here and from dimeadozen. |
| Maruga 28.07.2014 12:59 |
Yes pittrek, I'm still alive |
| aristide1 30.07.2014 03:07 |
cmi wrote:aristide1 wrote: Respect to pittrek? What are you talking about? It's the first time you marginally mention him, in an answer to a 3rd party. Although you downloaded, listened, and used his version as a benchmark, and his words as a motivation, as you say. Did you ever thought to say him something appreciative?Steps to go: 1)See the last post on this page and check out its date: http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1377514.html 2) See the first post of this thread and check out its date: http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1383619.html 3) Wreck your brain... What do you want to say with these links? Except they validate what I say. On 23 march you said to sirGH you are working, and on 17 may pittrek posted his version. So? You have the honor of being the first to start working, or what? In this case maybe pittrek should thank to you. IN THE SAME TIME YOU WERE WORKING, SOMEONE POSTED HIS VERSION. YOU HAD NO REACTION. You are incapable of offering a little appreciation. That's the main reason you won't get back too much. And the "clever equalization" is as clever as you are. |
| cmi 30.07.2014 06:10 |
It's a pity that this thread was littered by such weak person like you... :( No more comments from me. You're stupid little man... (c) |
| pittrek 30.07.2014 07:24 |
aristide - STOP IT please. Thanks |
| tassilo 13.09.2014 17:00 |
Thank you! |
| Kacio 12.09.2019 21:16 |
I have problem with download by torrent. When I want to download it is something like that: "This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below" Can anybody help me? |
| Chinwonder2 13.09.2019 06:44 |
Old attachments on the site are broken, so here’s a fresh download link: link -Chin |