zippo112 24.07.2014 00:49 |
Rare and funnny footage from behind the scenes of The Great Pretender Video shot in 1987...Freddie was joined by Roger Taylor and Peter Straker in the cliphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNS0E1n7yqs&hd=1 |
GERRYISADICK 24.07.2014 05:10 |
Thanks for this new footage it's a great discovery and gives me a new favorite Freddie quote |
dave76 24.07.2014 06:00 |
It's from an unreleased 1995 DoRo documentary simply titled "The Freddie Mercury Video". |
Stelios 24.07.2014 07:51 |
WOW! Thanks. Never seen this. What great charachters they were all! Freddie " Honey, you 've been around " and " "Oh. yeah thats it Motherfuckes!" LOL...adorable Can someone tell what Freddie sais on 0:38 " Its nice, its not easy but...?..." |
The Real Wizard 24.07.2014 15:21 |
Great insight into how much fun a day this must've been. |
RafaelS 24.07.2014 16:57 |
dave76 wrote: It's from an unreleased 1995 DoRo documentary simply titled "The Freddie Mercury Video".Well the person who is hoarding the documentary should release it so we can all see the other rarities...he's not the owner of the Doc anyways so he has no right to keep it to himself...what an ass. |
inu-liger 24.07.2014 17:35 |
RafaelSomma wrote:Cut it out dude. Constantly attacking the uploader won't bring us any closer to getting the full product, if anything (s)he probably won't be as inclined to even put out any more snippets.dave76 wrote: It's from an unreleased 1995 DoRo documentary simply titled "The Freddie Mercury Video".Well the person who is hoarding the documentary should release it so we can all see the other rarities...he's not the owner of the Doc anyways so he has no right to keep it to himself...what an ass. |
RafaelS 24.07.2014 20:09 |
inu-liger wrote:Why should we stay calm with people who are acting as if they were the rightful owners of a product but which they aren't. It's hoarding at its purest and I hate those who are inclined to act in a greedy way simply to have money for something that is rare. That is my point.RafaelSomma wrote:Cut it out dude. Constantly attacking the uploader won't bring us any closer to getting the full product, if anything (s)he probably won't be as inclined to even put out any more snippets.dave76 wrote: It's from an unreleased 1995 DoRo documentary simply titled "The Freddie Mercury Video".Well the person who is hoarding the documentary should release it so we can all see the other rarities...he's not the owner of the Doc anyways so he has no right to keep it to himself...what an ass. |
musicland munich 24.07.2014 23:04 |
^ stay cool....maybe it's part of a deal...we don't know it ! A few collectors have it already, I know at least one QZ-user who owns a copy. We will have it sooner or later. |
inu-liger 25.07.2014 02:37 |
RafaelSomma wrote:Listen, I understand your frustration and share some of that for sure, HOWEVER one thing the Fanthology fracas taught me a few years ago is that attacking the "hoarders" viciously and relentlessly is NOT the way to go if you want to see or hear their gems. The LAST thing you want to do is essentially have them take it to the grave with them, and in turn you probably don't want to be known as THAT fan who probably forever fucked us over. (Trancert and Q+PR Worchester video, anyone?)inu-liger wrote:Why should we stay calm with people who are acting as if they were the rightful owners of a product but which they aren't. It's hoarding at its purest and I hate those who are inclined to act in a greedy way simply to have money for something that is rare. That is my point.RafaelSomma wrote:Cut it out dude. Constantly attacking the uploader won't bring us any closer to getting the full product, if anything (s)he probably won't be as inclined to even put out any more snippets.dave76 wrote: It's from an unreleased 1995 DoRo documentary simply titled "The Freddie Mercury Video".Well the person who is hoarding the documentary should release it so we can all see the other rarities...he's not the owner of the Doc anyways so he has no right to keep it to himself...what an ass. Give our anonymous so-called "hoarder" a chance, back off with the attacks, and just MAYBE you might see it sooner than you might think! |
Costa86 25.07.2014 04:29 |
Although I'd very much like to see "The Freddie Mercury Video" and other hidden gems, I think the fact that we don't have them in itself adds to their mystique, and makes us look forward to something Queen related. If every video/song were out, what would there be to look forward to? The fact that some things remain unavailable to most, makes them more interesting. |
Stelios 25.07.2014 04:37 |
So what Freddie sais on 0:38? " Its nice, its not easy but...?..." ANYONE? |
zippo112 25.07.2014 04:59 |
its not easy but we ad-lib :) |
cmsdrums 25.07.2014 05:02 |
inu-liger wrote: . The LAST thing you want to do is essentially have them take it to the grave with them...On a slightly side related issue, I am friends with someone who has talked at length with various friends/colleagues of Brian's, and he swears to me that Brian has given instructions that the Red Special should be buried with him when he 'goes'. I have no way of knowing if this is true, (other than trusting the provenance of my friend's contacts), but I simply don't want to believe it; surely it would be either handed down to one of his kids, donated to a music museum, donated to Roger (if he's still alive), auctioned off for the MPT or animal welfare charities, or something similar, rather than just being buried 6 feet under?? |
inu-liger 25.07.2014 05:14 |
Stelios wrote: So what Freddie sais on 0:38? " Its nice, its not easy but...?..." ANYONE?Not 100% sure myself, but it could be: "...well we, we had it" |
inu-liger 25.07.2014 05:21 |
cmsdrums wrote:Interesting. Hopefully that's not true...inu-liger wrote: . The LAST thing you want to do is essentially have them take it to the grave with them...On a slightly side related issue, I am friends with someone who has talked at length with various friends/colleagues of Brian's, and he swears to me that Brian has given instructions that the Red Special should be buried with him when he 'goes'. I have no way of knowing if this is true, (other than trusting the provenance of my friend's contacts), but I simply don't want to believe it; surely it would be either handed down to one of his kids, donated to a music museum, donated to Roger (if he's still alive), auctioned off for the MPT or animal welfare charities, or something similar, rather than just being buried 6 feet under?? |
Chief Mouse 25.07.2014 05:42 |
Stelios wrote: So what Freddie sais on 0:38? " Its nice, its not easy but...?..." ANYONE? To me it sounds like "it's not easy but well we, we adlibbed" |
zippo112 25.07.2014 05:52 |
yep..agree with chief mouse! |
inu-liger 25.07.2014 06:05 |
Yeah that makes more sense |
The Real Wizard 25.07.2014 16:13 |
RafaelSomma wrote: Why should we stay calm with people who are acting as if they were the rightful owners of a product but which they aren't. It's hoarding at its purest and I hate those who are inclined to act in a greedy way simply to have money for something that is rare. That is my point.If you have such a sense of entitlement to new audio and video, then why not fulfill it on your own watch by putting in the effort to find some and then put it onto QZ instead of complaining? Wouldn't that be a better usage of your time? |
RafaelS 25.07.2014 16:24 |
The Real Wizard wrote:What a reply be a fellow Canadian. Listen I didn't want to rub anyone in the wrong way. Maybe I went too hard but hey I'm human. I have contacts but alas nobody has the documentary. Anyways, I hope to see the video soon.RafaelSomma wrote: Why should we stay calm with people who are acting as if they were the rightful owners of a product but which they aren't. It's hoarding at its purest and I hate those who are inclined to act in a greedy way simply to have money for something that is rare. That is my point.If you have such a sense of entitlement to new audio and video, then why not fulfill it on your own watch by putting in the effort to find some and then put it onto QZ instead of complaining? Wouldn't that be a better usage of your time? |
inu-liger 25.07.2014 16:51 |
It's not "maybe," you DID in fact go too hard. Hence why I stepped in to tell you off before you took it too far. |
Apocalipsis_Darko 25.07.2014 16:55 |
David R. Fuller have it. |
RafaelS 25.07.2014 17:34 |
inu-liger wrote: It's not "maybe," you DID in fact go too hard. Hence why I stepped in to tell you off before you took it too far.My bad. I apologize. |
The Real Wizard 25.07.2014 18:10 |
RafaelSomma wrote:All good, fellow canucker.The Real Wizard wrote:What a reply be a fellow Canadian. Listen I didn't want to rub anyone in the wrong way. Maybe I went too hard but hey I'm human. I have contacts but alas nobody has the documentary. Anyways, I hope to see the video soon.RafaelSomma wrote: Why should we stay calm with people who are acting as if they were the rightful owners of a product but which they aren't. It's hoarding at its purest and I hate those who are inclined to act in a greedy way simply to have money for something that is rare. That is my point.If you have such a sense of entitlement to new audio and video, then why not fulfill it on your own watch by putting in the effort to find some and then put it onto QZ instead of complaining? Wouldn't that be a better usage of your time? Keep searching, or just wait patiently. Most things just filter down eventually. |
BETA215 25.07.2014 18:33 |
Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: David R. Fuller have it.Maybe the uploader of this video buy it. |
inu-liger 25.07.2014 19:38 |
RafaelSomma wrote:All good man.inu-liger wrote: It's not "maybe," you DID in fact go too hard. Hence why I stepped in to tell you off before you took it too far.My bad. I apologize. |
Apocalipsis_Darko 25.07.2014 19:53 |
Sure Beta. |
RafaelS 25.07.2014 22:03 |
Anyways, if they are starting to upload snippets more often does it means that they intend to upload it soon? Also, do some of you think that there's more footage from Behind the scenes TATDOOL? |
Holly2003 26.07.2014 07:01 |
Ah Rafael, you;ve made the schoolboy error of criticising hoarders, the people who have been hanging onto this material for decades in some cases, material they never created themselves and obtained by fair means or foul. You also failed to suck up to them in advance of a release, or to praise them endlessly when they have finally exhausted the trading value of their trinkets (or if an official release makes them valueless) and decided to poop them out onto Queenzone for the plebs to scamper after. As you can see, the well-oiled (greasy) propaganda machine has kicked in and you've been put in your place. As it should be. The Politburo has spoken! There can be no dissent! lol. |
The Real Wizard 26.07.2014 13:24 |
^ if you think there's a better way, then show us all instead of being a peanut gallery. Be the change you wish to see in the world. |
Holly2003 26.07.2014 13:36 |
Speak of the devil ... |
Holly2003 26.07.2014 13:39 |
Ah I see you;ve amended your post. Quelle surprise! I have discussed a different "trading model" on Queenzone before, as you well know. |
tero! 48531 26.07.2014 13:47 |
cmsdrums wrote: - - - and he swears to me that Brian has given instructions that the Red Special should be buried with him when he 'goes'.I wouldn't be the least surprised. I also expect Brian to take the Queen archives with him to prevent any anthologies from ever being released. |
The Real Wizard 26.07.2014 14:59 |
Holly2003 wrote: I have discussed a different "trading model" on Queenzone before, as you well know.And what have YOU done to implement it? |
luthorn 26.07.2014 16:32 |
who cares, let them hoard, life goes on... |
Queenfanrach 27.07.2014 01:52 |
That was fun, thanks for sharing |
Holly2003 27.07.2014 02:32 |
Err.. since I am not hoarding anything, there is nothing I can do. I have, though, shared here, and privately, everything I have of any interest without asking for anything in return. The Real Wizard wrote:Holly2003 wrote: I have discussed a different "trading model" on Queenzone before, as you well know.And what have YOU done to implement it? |
The Real Wizard 27.07.2014 05:49 |
Holly2003 wrote: Err.. since I am not hoarding anything, there is nothing I can do. I have, though, shared here, and privately, everything I have of any interest without asking for anything in return.Really ? What previously uncirculated recordings have you contributed to the community without asking for anything in return? It's easy if it's something that has circulated for years. |
tero! 48531 27.07.2014 05:49 |
Holly2003 wrote:Don't you realise that you should be out there buying tapes of dubious origin for thousands of £'s and handing the contents out for free... :PErr.. since I am not hoarding anything, there is nothing I can do. I have, though, shared here, and privately, everything I have of any interest without asking for anything in return. The Real Wizard wrote:Holly2003 wrote: I have discussed a different "trading model" on Queenzone before, as you well know.And what have YOU done to implement it? We all know the hoarders (eg. Fanthology) doesn't hand out anything of value to the public, but it eases their conscience when nobody else does it either. |
Holly2003 27.07.2014 06:09 |
Do you have a point of some sort? Unlike you in another recent thread, I'd be happy to address it. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The Real Wizard wrote:Really ? What previously uncirculated recordings have you contributed to the community without asking for anything in return? It's easy if it's something that has circulated for years. |
inu-liger 27.07.2014 06:46 |
Holly2003 wrote: Do you have a point of some sort? Unlike you in another recent thread, I'd be happy to address it.Can you actually answer his question straight up instead of giving a beat-around-the-bush response? I think it's a legit question he's put forward to you. Or is this a case of 'plead the Fifth' due to officially released material being involved in your private distribution(s)? |
Holly2003 27.07.2014 08:21 |
I did answer his first question very honestly and openly. Those are attributes you're probably unfamiliar with, hence your confusion, so let me clarify for you. He is repeating something I said here: Posted: 26 Jul 14, 07:01 "when they have finally exhausted the[ir] trading value" Is it unfair to ask his point in repeating this? Maybe he will explain. Like I said, I'm happy to discuss things openly but I doubt all traders can say the same. Oh, as to your last accusation, I'll give you your usual fool's pardon for that. --------------------------------------------------------------- inu-liger wrote:Can you actually answer his question straight up instead of giving a beat-around-the-bush response? I think it's a legit question he's put forward to you.Or is this a case of 'plead the Fifth' due to officially released material being involved in your private distribution(s)? |
The Real Wizard 27.07.2014 13:39 |
The fact that you obviously do not have an answer to my simple question demonstrates all we need to see here. You have contributed no new recordings to the Queen community, and you are on your soapbox telling those who do contribute new recordings to the Queen community how to do it instead of actually doing something about it yourself. You're a smart guy, so you should be able to connect the dots. If you think the local garage isn't fixing cars the way you think they should, either find a new garage or start your own garage business. |
Holly2003 27.07.2014 16:38 |
Err... no. That's the trading model you have defended here i.e. rare material is traded privately until it is no longer valuable. Then because it's no longer of any trading value, it will end up here. Do you deny that? So you are criticising me for not following your trading model -- the model I've been saying is outdated and leads to hoarding? Seriously? That's your argument? Anyway, I don't particularly want to make this personal. I'd rather talk about trading models (did I really just say that?) than about individuals. Clearly, in this thread and another recently, you have taken the hump over some perceived personal slight. So I'll just say this: I am indeed a smart guy. I have qualifications out the ying yang.Yet you seem to find everything I say about this subject to be objectionable. Maybe you should connect the dots there. |
Doga 27.07.2014 18:26 |
inu-liger wrote:The LAST thing you want to do is essentially have them take it to the grave with them, and in turn you probably don't want to be known as THAT fan who probably forever fucked us over. (Trancert and Q+PR Worchester video, anyone?)Out of curiosity, what's the story behind that? |
inu-liger 27.07.2014 21:58 |
Trancert used a screencap from the 3-song Worchester sample DVD as the DVD for another Q+PR bootleg he was selling, and the taper was extremely pissed off about it when he found out and withdrew his intentions to release the whole video recording, which was very regrettable because it was probably the best audience shot video from the 2006 tour. A bunch of us tried to get him to change his stance since then, to no available, and he doesn't even answer PM's. |
inu-liger 27.07.2014 21:59 |
Should add, the video was shot in 1080i HD, but we only have the 3-song sample (FBG, Take Love & Dragon Attack) as a 480i DVD |
tcc 27.07.2014 22:03 |
Holly2003 wrote: Err... no. That's the trading model you have defended here i.e. rare material is traded privately until it is no longer valuable. Then because it's no longer of any trading value, it will end up here. Do you deny that? So you are criticising me for not following your trading model -- the model I've been saying is outdated and leads to hoarding? Seriously? That's your argument? Anyway, I don't particularly want to make this personal. I'd rather talk about trading models (did I really just say that?) than about individuals. Clearly, in this thread and another recently, you have taken the hump over some perceived personal slight. So I'll just say this: I am indeed a smart guy. I have qualifications out the ying yang.Yet you seem to find everything I say about this subject to be objectionable. Maybe you should connect the dots there.I am just trying to "resolve" the "conflict" here. What bootleg of which Queen gig do you know that they have not shared, which makes you adopt this view ? |
tero! 48531 28.07.2014 00:12 |
tcc wrote: I am just trying to "resolve" the "conflict" here. What bootleg of which Queen gig do you know that they have not shared, which makes you adopt this view ?You don't need to know the traded material, the traders involved, or actually any details. All you need is to know what trading is all about: It's all about the trading value of your material. If you have rare material, you can exchange it for other rare material. When enough people have access to the same material, it becomes common, and has no trading value left. Only then it can be given away freely for those who aren't involved in the trading circles. It's the same thing whether we're talking about Queen recordings, baseball cards, or diamonds. It's only valuable as long as others don't have it. |
tcc 28.07.2014 00:23 |
tero! 48531 wrote:I know what trading is about. However, I do not understand what is the agenda behind the constant picking on this trading practice.tcc wrote: I am just trying to "resolve" the "conflict" here. What bootleg of which Queen gig do you know that they have not shared, which makes you adopt this view ?You don't need to know the traded material, the traders involved, or actually any details. All you need is to know what trading is all about: It's all about the trading value of your material. If you have rare material, you can exchange it for other rare material. When enough people have access to the same material, it becomes common, and has no trading value left. Only then it can be given away freely for those who aren't involved in the trading circles. It's the same thing whether we're talking about Queen recordings, baseball cards, or diamonds. It's only valuable as long as others don't have it. |
The Real Wizard 28.07.2014 00:33 |
Holly2003 wrote: So you are criticising me for not following your trading model -- the model I've been saying is outdated and leads to hoarding? Seriously? That's your argument?And you accuse me of straw man arguments? Jesus. I'm criticizing you because you're whining about something and refuse to do something about it. Obviously, things are shared publicly after they've been exhausted of their value. Then one is able to grab something else and the cycle restarts. I'm not sure why you're asking for clarification of something that has been explained countless times before. If you have a new trading model, then fucking implement it and show us that it works. Otherwise, shut the fuck up and enjoy the countless goodies that have ended up here due to the hard work of people who AREN'T YOU. |
Holly2003 28.07.2014 02:33 |
I'm not asking for clarification, I know exactly how your trading model works because you've explained it countless times before and I've argued here before that it is flawed. I have to wonder why you find that so threatening that you try to close down every conversation about it. Not very open minded of you. "Binary thinking" etc. I guess it's easy and painless on an internet forum to advocate moral standards for others and another thing entirely to put them into practice yourself. |
The Real Wizard 28.07.2014 02:51 |
What the hell are you talking about? If you say it's flawed, then for the third time, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING. You're obviously incapable of realizing how much of an idiot you are. I'm not "closing down" the conversation. If you have a functioning brain, you should be able to see that I'm trying to propose a solution to a problem YOU have posed, and YOU are the one coming up with straw man after straw man instead of employing some kind of solution-oriented thinking. Just give it up. You're not convincing anyone that you somehow contribute to this place in a positive and meaningful way. How many times does Holly2003 come up in the announce forum as a "topic starter" ? That's right - zero. |
Holly2003 28.07.2014 03:25 |
So I'm smart and an idiot. Make up your mind... Again, I didn't want to make this "personal" and only want to talk about "trading models". I'm not sure why you continually want to make it personal. I don't have to defend my contribution to the forum to you or anyone else: I don't base my values on popularity contests. But, since you insist, I have "done something about it" as I said earlier. Yonks ago, I put a list of everything I have on here and shared whatever anyone asked for, either in the sharing forum (a few) or outside Queenzone (more plentiful -- it was easier for me in the past to send cdrs than use a very slow internet connection). I'm not a trader (or a hoarder) and so don't have much that's of any interest to anyone. Most of what I have was collected in the late 1990s on cdrs. Things have moved on considerably and most now have these recordings already. I think the last one I shared on QZ was a Rotterdam concert to someone who asked for it in the request forum. And of course I also shared on QZ pictures from the 1984 Dublin concerts I attended. You now have those on your website. So basically I've shared everything I have that anyone wants. So there you go. That's my "trading model" as you well know since we've discussed it before. Share everything you have. The current model is based on flawed capitalism and encourages hoarding (in some cases for decades) and lack of openness. It does not quickly release hidden stuff into general circulation as it is designed by traders for traders, and material is kept hidden until all trading value is exhausted. There will, of course, be exceptions -- copyright etc. I accept all of that. But in general, a system that encourages openess and sharing is better than the current one in which trades take place among a select few, mostly out of public view. The current system is basically the one record companies use to ensure highest "profit" (for some) and to create false "supply and demand" wants and needs. |
The Real Wizard 28.07.2014 03:40 |
Of course I see what you're saying, and I wish that were the way it could work with everyone involved (thanks for your pics - I'm still happy to have them). But alas it isn't. And sometimes the process is drawn out. It can take years. Sometimes decades. The reasons are plentiful and vary from person to person, case to case. Some people would rather die and have their tapes burn in the fire with them than have people hear them. Unless you come up with that one thing they want... It's just the way it goes. If everyone employed your methods, then indeed we'd see quite a few more things here. But we're not in a utopia, and things can get complicated. Believe me, most collectors are doing everything they can to bring more to the Queen canon (and Zeppelin canon, and Genesis, Floyd, Zappa, etc). But there is no schedule and no algorithm. The magic simply comes when it comes. And the only sensible thing for those not actively on the search to do is patiently wait. |
Mr.QueenFan 28.07.2014 06:08 |
inu-liger wrote: Should add, the video was shot in 1080i HD, but we only have the 3-song sample (FBG, Take Love & Dragon Attack) as a 480i DVDI remember a list of concerts (that QP own in their archives) that Greg Brooks provided in QZ, and this audience recording was featured there. I'm just not sure if it was only these 3 songs or the full concert. |
dave76 28.07.2014 07:28 |
Well, you may never know, it might show up here sooner then you think :-) |
tero! 48531 28.07.2014 08:17 |
tcc wrote: I know what trading is about. However, I do not understand what is the agenda behind the constant picking on this trading practice.The way I see it, the "agenda" is to discuss different opinions on a message board. If there is a discussion about about some unreleased material seeing the light of day, it's only natural that the people who have access to this material become part of the the discussion. If you are affiliated with the traders you might see that as picking on them, but if you aren't a trader, you will see it as nothing more than stating a fact. |
Mr.QueenFan 28.07.2014 08:44 |
dave76 wrote: Well, you may never know, it might show up here sooner then you think :-)I absolute love these snippets of this documentary. I never get tired of Queen and Freddie Mercury, so for me the possibility of adding this to my Queen colection is just wonderful. I hope you are right about this :-) |
tcc 28.07.2014 09:35 |
tero! 48531 wrote:Just to clarify, I am not affiliated with anyone and I am not a trader. I just cannot stand people repeating the point over and over again after it had been explained, so it led me to wonder whether there was any further background to it. End of story.tcc wrote: I know what trading is about. However, I do not understand what is the agenda behind the constant picking on this trading practice.The way I see it, the "agenda" is to discuss different opinions on a message board. If there is a discussion about about some unreleased material seeing the light of day, it's only natural that the people who have access to this material become part of the the discussion. If you are affiliated with the traders you might see that as picking on them, but if you aren't a trader, you will see it as nothing more than stating a fact. |
Mr.QueenFan 28.07.2014 09:44 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote:Hey Dave, you weren't kidding, were you? :-)dave76 wrote: Well, you may never know, it might show up here sooner then you think :-)I absolute love these snippets of this documentary. I never get tired of Queen and Freddie Mercury, so for me the possibility of adding this to my Queen colection is just wonderful. I hope you are right about this :-) Thanks a lot. |