Marknow 19.05.2014 14:45 |
Queen and Adam Lambert Australia 2014 Perth Arena on August 22, Sydney’s Allphones Arena on August 26, Rod Laver Arena in Melbourne on August 29 Brisbane Entertainment Centre on September 1. Tickets go on sale May 28. |
andyb1968 19.05.2014 14:52 |
Europe autumn/winter I reckon . |
Mr.QueenFan 19.05.2014 15:19 |
Great news! This is going to be a wonderful year for Queen. |
rocknrolllover 19.05.2014 15:31 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote: Great news! This is going to be a wonderful year for Queen.Really? Do you really think so? |
Cruella de Vil 19.05.2014 15:45 |
Well suck me dry and call me 'Dusty'! Wouldn't have thought I'd see it happen again! I hope that they enjoy Sunbury this time. Though averse to AL, my boys and I will be there in Sydney. |
Marknow 19.05.2014 16:19 |
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SweetCaroline 19.05.2014 16:38 |
What started out as a North America tour is fast becoming a WORLD TOUR! |
taptap 19.05.2014 16:45 |
SweetCaroline wrote: What started out as a North America tour is fast becoming a WORLD TOUR! I really can't believe that they won't end it (at least the summer arm of it) in the UK. Europe is problematic because of WWRY, but the UK's gotta be in there somewhere, unless they plan to do another arm in 2015, which I think has got a fairly decent chance of happening if everyone feels good by the end of August. |
rocknrolllover 19.05.2014 23:50 |
I don't envy Lambert. Australia organizes him a Striptease. With him in the lead roles. |
john bodega 20.05.2014 05:59 |
Ha. I'll be flying back from England on the day that they're playing Perth. Sorry, Brian - you missed your chance. |
A Word In Your Ear 20.05.2014 06:27 |
Nice Stage Layout for the Australian Gigs, with the sweeping catwalk. (that is, if it remains like they are advertising) Out of curiosity does the North American dates have the same Layout? |
Marknow 20.05.2014 07:14 |
A Word In Your Ear wrote: Out of curiosity does the North American dates have the same Layout? Yes |
A Word In Your Ear 20.05.2014 07:31 |
Marknow wrote:Cool!!!A Word In Your Ear wrote: Out of curiosity does the North American dates have the same Layout?Yes |
SweetCaroline 20.05.2014 09:09 |
Adam has performed many times in Australia and is well respected there as well as in New Zealand, Indonesia and the other nations in that part of the world! |
Pierre 20.05.2014 10:18 |
Looks like à big vinyl player |
jondickens1 20.05.2014 11:28 |
I'm not a fan of Lambert by any stretch of the imagination,but I am somewhat put out the Brian and Roger haven't added at least 1 UK date to this tour. Is this down to the fact that in the UK hardly anyone has even heard of Adam Lambert and therefore ticket sales may be poor? Even so I feel snubbed by Roger and Brian and upset that I may never get a chance to see them live again. |
Marknow 20.05.2014 11:28 |
Pierre wrote: Looks like à big vinyl player It looks like a big erect penis too me! |
SweetCaroline 20.05.2014 11:58 |
jondickens1 wrote: I'm not a fan of Lambert by any stretch of the imagination,but I am somewhat put out the Brian and Roger haven't added at least 1 UK date to this tour. Is this down to the fact that in the UK hardly anyone has even heard of Adam Lambert and therefore ticket sales may be poor? Even so I feel snubbed by Roger and Brian and upset that I may never get a chance to see them live again. |
SweetCaroline 20.05.2014 11:59 |
jondickens1 wrote: I'm not a fan of Lambert by any stretch of the imagination,but I am somewhat put out the Brian and Roger haven't added at least 1 UK date to this tour. Is this down to the fact that in the UK hardly anyone has even heard of Adam Lambert and therefore ticket sales may be poor? Even so I feel snubbed by Roger and Brian and upset that I may never get a chance to see them live again. |
SweetCaroline 20.05.2014 12:00 |
jondickens1 wrote: I'm not a fan of Lambert by any stretch of the imagination,but I am somewhat put out the Brian and Roger haven't added at least 1 UK date to this tour. Is this down to the fact that in the UK hardly anyone has even heard of Adam Lambert and therefore ticket sales may be poor? Even so I feel snubbed by Roger and Brian and upset that I may never get a chance to see them live again. |
SweetCaroline 20.05.2014 12:02 |
jondickens1 wrote: I'm not a fan of Lambert by any stretch of the imagination,but I am somewhat put out the Brian and Roger haven't added at least 1 UK date to this tour. Is this down to the fact that in the UK hardly anyone has even heard of Adam Lambert and therefore ticket sales may be poor? Even so I feel snubbed by Roger and Brian and upset that I may never get a chance to see them live again.They sold out three shows with Adam in July, 2012 at the Hammersmith Apollo in London, but I wouldn't give up on some UK shows yet. If all goes well and everyone stays healthy, I think they will have a finale there! |
SweetCaroline 20.05.2014 12:03 |
Review from July 11, 2012: link |
Iron Butterfly 20.05.2014 13:47 |
SweetCaroline wrote: Review from July 11, 2012: linkWhy are you posting that so often? |
SweetCaroline 20.05.2014 14:57 |
Why do you care? I was posting it for jondickens1 who may have not seen it before and because he thinks that Adam is unknown in the UK. It's my favorite link regarding the previous QAL collaborations! |
Queenfansunite 20.05.2014 19:45 |
I wonder if Former Queen manager John Reid will go to see a show, he lives in Australia or did. I think he was on their X factor panel or something like it. Funny i mentioned Australia in my script idea (well more of an emblem ) lol I bet Brian didn't like that lol I can just see what's coming next, Brian setting up a Australian foundation against it . The bit concerning Australia is in this lol link |
john bodega 21.05.2014 00:51 |
"Adam has performed many times in Australia and is well respected there" I meet too many Queen fans here to take that entirely seriously, but I've a feeling the shows will sell. The attitude among most of the people I've spoken to is "ugh, but fuck it - Brian and Roger won't be coming back after this, might as well go". And if Nickelback can sell out a show, I have to believe half of Queen could at least get a few seats filled. |
Cruella de Vil 21.05.2014 03:24 |
Anyone in Australia notice the complete lack of TV/Radio advertising? Whilst it rated a brief mention amongst the news on some channels, there has been nothing that would inform the general public and so ensure something like a full house. I'm happy if this lasts up until the pre-sale tickets tomorrow, but people in the promotions department need a kick up the arse! |
john bodega 21.05.2014 06:29 |
"Anyone in Australia notice the complete lack of TV/Radio advertising?" Haven't seen any on TV yet, but it is coming up in my Youtube pre-rolls (I'm too cool for Adblocker). Since Gary Mullen's band had TV ads for his shows recently, I would assume Brian might spring for some TV advertising if the sales are sluggish or whatever. |
SweetCaroline 21.05.2014 09:24 |
There are rumors that an announcement about New Zealand is coming tomorrow (Thursday)! The Show Must Go On indeed! |
SweetCaroline 21.05.2014 09:35 |
CruellaDeVille wrote: Anyone in Australia notice the complete lack of TV/Radio advertising? Whilst it rated a brief mention amongst the news on some channels, there has been nothing that would inform the general public and so ensure something like a full house. I'm happy if this lasts up until the pre-sale tickets tomorrow, but people in the promotions department need a kick up the arse!Here's some publicity: Part of The Morning Show, OZ TV, talking about Queen + Adam Lambert. link |
SweetCaroline 21.05.2014 09:49 |
More: link |
Iron Butterfly 21.05.2014 12:58 |
SweetCaroline wrote: Why do you care? I was posting it for jondickens1 who may have not seen it before and because he thinks that Adam is unknown in the UK. It's my favorite link regarding the previous QAL collaborations!You post it over and over again...it's like your go to link when you don't have much to add for yourself It's coming across as spam. Are you hoping to change people's minds because of what is said in the link, or is it just more crappy promotion? |
taptap 21.05.2014 13:21 |
Bullet with Butterfly Wings wrote:SweetCaroline wrote: Why do you care? I was posting it for jondickens1 who may have not seen it before and because he thinks that Adam is unknown in the UK. It's my favorite link regarding the previous QAL collaborations!You post it over and over again...it's like your go to link when you don't have much to add for yourself It's coming across as spam. Are you hoping to change people's minds because of what is said in the link, or is it just more crappy promotion? You post the same three things over and over again...it's like your go to whine when you don't have much to add for yourself It's coming across as spam. Are you hoping to change people's minds because of what is said in your whine, or is it just more crappy promotion? P.S. Pot meet Kettle |
Queenfansunite 21.05.2014 14:00 |
Queen zone will have to be promoted before this forum is affective in promoting Adam lambert Lol Hence The charge of promoting Adam is ludicrous And this particular forum is set aside for the possible praise of Adam, so it should be no suprise the constant enthusiasm for him in here. Anyone who is attacking praise of Adam in this forum should be told to stop. Again I think a special forum for "Haters of anything" Should be made, then all the negative stuff will be kept off ALL the other forums and kept in one PIT of HaTe There is no point, Adam is touring with Queen and no one can do anything about that All the conversations opposed to Adam touring with Queen end up attacking the people who support Adam with Queen and it ends up as attacks on individuals, which is wrong! I support the creation of " THE HATERS FORUM" |
taptap 21.05.2014 14:14 |
Queenfansunite wrote: Queen zone will have to be promoted before this forum is affective in promoting Adam lambert Lol Hence The charge of promoting Adam is ludicrous And this particular forum is set aside for the possible praise of Adam, so it should be no suprise the constant enthusiasm for him in here. Anyone who is attacking praise of Adam in this forum should be told to stop. Again I think a special forum for "Haters of anything" Should be made, then all the negative stuff will be kept off ALL the other forums and kept in one PIT of HaTe There is no point, Adam is touring with Queen and no one can do anything about that All the conversations opposed to Adam touring with Queen end up attacking the people who support Adam with Queen and it ends up as attacks on individuals, which is wrong! While I agree in general, I don't think any particular sub-forum or thread is restricted to praise only. People can be negative. Icy's different in that she uses that negativity to attack posters, rather than the music or musician. But I also think it's okay for people to make fools of themselves if that's their choice, so whatever. She'd just better be able to take it in turn if she wants to keep dishing it out. She's pretty one-note so it's not exactly creative fun, but it's a mild form of entertainment regardless. |
Queenfansunite 21.05.2014 14:22 |
taptap wrote:While it may be entertaining to see such bickering, I think it is an unhealthy environment and is not conducive to worthwhile debate .Queenfansunite wrote: Queen zone will have to be promoted before this forum is affective in promoting Adam lambert Lol Hence The charge of promoting Adam is ludicrous And this particular forum is set aside for the possible praise of Adam, so it should be no suprise the constant enthusiasm for him in here. Anyone who is attacking praise of Adam in this forum should be told to stop. Again I think a special forum for "Haters of anything" Should be made, then all the negative stuff will be kept off ALL the other forums and kept in one PIT of HaTe There is no point, Adam is touring with Queen and no one can do anything about that All the conversations opposed to Adam touring with Queen end up attacking the people who support Adam with Queen and it ends up as attacks on individuals, which is wrong!While I agree in general, I don't think any particular sub-forum or thread is restricted to praise only. People can be negative. Icy's different in that she uses that negativity to attack posters, rather than the music or musician. But I also think it's okay for people to make fools of themselves if that's their choice, so whatever. She'd just better be able to take it in turn if she wants to keep dishing it out. She's pretty one-note so it's not exactly creative fun, but it's a mild form of entertainment regardless. It is because of the tendency for people in here to launch into personal attacks on fellow posters, instead of attacking a queen project, that the creation of a sub forum for the posting of opposition and general hate of anything in the queen universe Would be better. Anything that enables personal attacks of the vicious nasty cruel kind that I have read here, is not good for any forum. And surely such personal attacks are already against queen zone rules? To continue in this way makes this forum look REDICULOUS and it will not be seen by the general public as a serious forum dedicated to the best band in the world. |
taptap 21.05.2014 14:36 |
Queenfansunite wrote:taptap wrote:While it may be entertaining to see such bickering, I think it is an unhealthy environment and is not conducive to worthwhile debate . It is because of the tendency for people in here to launch into personal attacks on fellow posters, instead of attacking a queen project, that the creation of a sub forum for the posting of opposition and general hate of anything in the queen universe Would be better. Anything that enables personal attacks of the vicious nasty cruel kind that I have read here, is not good for any forum. And surely such personal attacks are already against queen zone rules? To continue in this way makes this forum look REDICULOUS and it will not be seen by the general public as a serious forum dedicated to the best band in the world.Queenfansunite wrote: Queen zone will have to be promoted before this forum is affective in promoting Adam lambert Lol Hence The charge of promoting Adam is ludicrous And this particular forum is set aside for the possible praise of Adam, so it should be no suprise the constant enthusiasm for him in here. Anyone who is attacking praise of Adam in this forum should be told to stop. Again I think a special forum for "Haters of anything" Should be made, then all the negative stuff will be kept off ALL the other forums and kept in one PIT of HaTe There is no point, Adam is touring with Queen and no one can do anything about that All the conversations opposed to Adam touring with Queen end up attacking the people who support Adam with Queen and it ends up as attacks on individuals, which is wrong!While I agree in general, I don't think any particular sub-forum or thread is restricted to praise only. People can be negative. Icy's different in that she uses that negativity to attack posters, rather than the music or musician. But I also think it's okay for people to make fools of themselves if that's their choice, so whatever. She'd just better be able to take it in turn if she wants to keep dishing it out. She's pretty one-note so it's not exactly creative fun, but it's a mild form of entertainment regardless. So far as I can see there are not too many rules (or moderation) on this forum. I do agree that there's a BIG difference between denigrating an act/artist/project and denigrating the people on the forum. The first should always be allowed, and the second never. But since there are few rules or moderation here, some posters take out their frustration on the Q+ projects on the fans who are in favor of them. And some do it just because that's the way they roll. It would be nice if people could be civil, but let's face it - that isn't going to happen on internet sites where people can be anonymous. The best you can hope for is that the sad people who dog others display their true colors. I'm fine with helping to expose those who persist in their trolling ways. I do agree that the anti Queen stuff on Queen forums really would lead a casual visitor to wonder if there were really Queen fans here, or simply others trolling Queen fans. It sort of reminds me of the VFTW forum (vote for the worst). Now those were very sad people. |
Queenfansunite 21.05.2014 14:50 |
Tap tap The thing is, this is how the whole forum has been, it is not just the event of Adam lambert touring with Queen this year. I n general the forum is full of harassment and attacks on posters. And It is my opinion that those of us who want a forum that allows everyone to speak freely without attack false accusation and bullying , we should make a stand against this group who try to rule the roost here and because they shout the loudest have the ear of the moderators and are invariably effective in the gang stalking and bullying of many people here, and have been doing so over the years. The general attitude of this gang is they think they can get away with anything and they are right because they do and have. It is time this forum was run against the grain of those who want to run it as a place to bully people. And it is time the majority speak out against this cancerous minority. I have never witnessed these bullies ever being banned for their crimes, but many of their victims have been banned, the injustice MUST stop! My question tap tap Is why are the bullies NEVER banned? The evidence of what they do is again and again covered up. For instance, in liger what he did was covered up yet again! Even by queen fan who edited his capture of what he said It is As it always has been in the past. And his excuses of stress are enough? Yet again. It is not good enough to do what he does and then blame stress. For it is a repeat pattern. I was banned for posting my biopic work, and when I fell into the trap of replying to the out right hatred and bullying by opposing it , I end up banned, why? They trolled my posts, like they are trolling yours and sweet Caroline's posts. Yet they get away with it? It is not right at all, it's shows a dedicated corruption amongst the moderators of the forum. For again and again they side with proven bullies. |
taptap 21.05.2014 15:06 |
Queenfansunite wrote: Tap tap The thing is, this is how the whole forum has been, it is not just the event of Adam lambert touring with Queen this year. I n general the forum is full of harassment and attacks on posters. And It is my opinion that those of us who want a forum that allows everyone to speak freely without attack false accusation and bullying , we should make a stand against this group who try to rule the roost here and because they shout the loudest have the ear of the moderators and are invariably effective in the gang stalking and bullying of many people here, and have been doing so over the years. The general attitude of this gang is they think they can get away with anything and they are right because they do and have. It is time this forum was run against the grain of those who want to run it as a place to bully people. And it is time the majority speak out against this cancerous minority. I do agree that a sort of bullying mentality seems very prevalent both here and at QueenOnline, and I've often wondered what the common element is - I mean it can't simply be Queen fans, right? There's definitely a common culture (I lurk at QOL and post at QZ, but generally expect the same thing). Maybe it's a generational thing, or maybe it's that these sites have winnowed down and consolidated to the most hardcore, fundamental fans, which I understand, because even as a new artist, Lambert has his share of those already. I do find it a bit odd, but cultures do develop at forums that are consistent with early members, history, entitlement, etc. Of course all of that is simply an artificial construct that can be changed if a) enough members want change, and b) mods aren't part of the systemic problem (which I believe has been an issue at QOL overall). If B exists, you're not likely to get enough new members to provide a counter-balance to the culture and eventually the forum becomes less and less representative of the full marketplace and the forum begins to become irrelevant (sort of the way American Idol viewers and voters are no longer representative of the mainstream music buying market). And let's face it, people don't like change, especially as they get older, and the hardcore Queen fans are probably in that category on average. Those that were here early on and a part of the formation of the current culture generally either like or are at least complacent about it. Those that don't like it either lurk or leave - the pattern is the same everywhere. People who don't like conflict keep quiet, people who like conflict stir the pot, and people who want fairness and peace generally try to play the peacekeepers (unfortunately often with little impact, just like in real life). For full disclosure, if you use a scale of 1-10, with 1 being lurkers who hate conflict, and 10 being trolls who instigate it, with active peacemakers at 5, I'd put myself at 7.5. I love debate, am not afraid of conflict, and don't back down to bullies, which no doubt makes me as aggressive as the trolls in many eyes. I find the psychology of it interesting, but you're right, there's certainly a dysfunctional element to it that makes it unhealthy overall. If these two places were the only source of QAL news and discussion I'd be worried, but there are so many Adam sites where QAL discussion is abundant. I enjoy the Queen sites because I'm interested in their perspective on the QAL projects. Many hardcore fans don't like it, but more than enough either do like it or are okay enough with it to put their money into tickets. As long as Brian, Roger, and Adam are getting a big payday out of it, I'm not going to argue about who is or should be a fan. That will sort itself out in the marketplace. ETA for your edit: I don't know the answer, because the internet is the wild west right now. Some forums are based in places where bullying is carefully watched, others not at all. The mods tend to mod based on those things, in balance with what their members want. I do know that trolls are easy to spot, and the best advice I have is to not rise to their bait. By which I don't mean do not engage them or others, just be aware of who's who, and engage accordingly. My solution to not letting trolls and bullies get away with their behavior is to call them on it. I'm in the 'Have you no shame, Senator McCarthy' camp on that one. And for the record I'm anxiously awaiting just such a moment for the Tea Party fundies! |
Queenfansunite 21.05.2014 15:18 |
Yes I am glad to see you agree that it is the fault of the moderators also, they are complicit, it irks me to see self righteous posts by them as they are obviously talking the talk of hypocrites, pretending they are actually concerned with rule things like no toleration of bullying but are not , as they have decided to show favour to the long term members who are a bunch of bullies. It is not about stirring conflict either, because fundamentally if you post a point of view or idea that is well formed and strong, you get shut down by the bullies. I have no desire for any kind of conflict at all, and that is why I seek remedies such as a Haters Sub forum. that maybe would solve the conflicts, IF people stopped attacking each other in general that is. |
taptap 21.05.2014 15:21 |
Queenfansunite wrote: Yes I am glad to see you agree that it is the fault of the moderators also, they are complicit, it irks me to see self righteous posts by them as they are obviously talking the talk, but have decided to show favour to the long term members who are a bunch of bullies. I definitely agree that happens on QOL, but have not seen that that's the case at QZ. If the mods are going to encourage bullies and bring the hammer down on the bullied, there's no point in being active on that forum, which is why I lurk only at QOL, on the off chance that I'll see something new there. For what it's worth, the announcements I see almost always show up at the Lambert sites as quickly as or before QOL, so it doesn't much matter. I go to both because I enjoy diversity of people and opinion. That doesn't apply to bullies, of course, who are beyond the pale for the way I was raised. |
Queenfansunite 21.05.2014 15:29 |
Tap tap , how can you say there is no favour shown to bullies here by the mods? Did you see what inuliger managed to get away with saying to sweet Caroline,? and as for icy she is constantly allowed to attack anything you post in this Adam lambert forum, like a vicious Harpy, she swoops down on all your posts as if you have no right to say anything, now if that is not evidence that the mods here allow bullies to thrive, I do not know what kind of evidence you need. I can Attest to it I am A victim of it myself, there is mod corruption here on queen zone as well as on the queen online forum. And another thing it is bad for Queen! And there is the continued no banning of bullies like inuliger, that shows also there is a promotion of bullying , if your the right person you don't get banned and can get away with murder. My posts were about the biopic, his posts were about attacking a forum member for NO reason but to bolster the harpy, attacking a grandmother! He gets away with it because he feels tired!!??? Lol As well as myself being banned before for posting on a subject the gang do not like to be mentioned in this forum, and their clever escalation of conflicts, I have seen others banned here, after a similar gang attack on one person, who then falls for answering the bullies back and ends up banned, while the bullies, the gang remain intact, even more powerful! Anyway, my intention is for this bullying to be eradicated here, I see no reason why the mods should allow it to continue as it has. That is why is suggest the HaTERS forum idea. I have nothing against these people in general, they can remain here for all i care, but they should not be allowed to continue their bullying, something must be done, it is not right to allow it to continue. |
taptap 21.05.2014 15:48 |
Queenfansunite wrote: Tap tap , how can you say there is no favour shown to bullies here by the mods? Did you see what inuliger managed to get away with saying to sweet Caroline,? and as for icy she is constantly allowed to attack anything you post in this Adam lambert forum, like a Gary she swoops on all your posts as if you have no right to say anything, now if that is not evidence that the mods here allow bullies to thrive, I do not know what kind if evidence you need. I can Attest to it I am A victim of it myself, there is mod corruption here on queen as well as on the queen online forum. And there is the continued no banning of bullies like inuliger, that shows also there is a promotion of bullying , if your the right person you don't get banned and can get away with murder. My posts were about the biopic, his posts were about attacking members a grandmother! As well as myself being banned before for posting on a subject the gang do not like to be in this forum, and their clever escalation of conflicts, I have seen others banned here, after a similar gang attack on one person, who then falls for answering the bullies back and ends up banned, while the bullies, the gang remain intact, even more powerful! Are you talking about being banned here, at QZ? Because yes, of course I've seen some very blatant attacks on posters personally, but I get the sense the exact same shit could be pulled on the old-timers and the mods would let it ride - that's what I mean about it being unmoderated. It usually means more combativeness or more passion, but can come from all sides, as opposed to QOL, where only the bullies are condoned while the Lambert fans are penalized. That's why I lurk there - if the mods are part of the problem, there really is nothing you can do. When the mods leave the field open you have a few choices: a) ignore the bullies, b) call the bullies on their bullshit, or c) leave. The part where the mods are changed is I suppose an option on paper, but not really in practice. Those places, like QOL, are toxic because the problem is systemic. They lose members and become irrelevant, so there is a penalty that is accruing all along, even if it's not instantaneous. As for bullies following people around the net, I have to say that they do that to people that they see as victims. Bullies need victims, plain and simple. If mods don't protect the bullied from bullies, then the bullied or their friends have to do it. Not everyone is comfortable with this form of confrontation, though. Bullies are, clearly, but the bullied often are not - which is why they get bullied. They don't expect people to act that way, and often try to take them seriously, rather than simply realizing that bullies are angry people who hide behind online anonymity to get their aggressions out in a way that's not allowed in real life. I sympathize with anyone bullied, and will always stand up for them, but I can tell you that I personally am not bullied because I don't allow it. Bullies can only get away with things when you're silent, either through force (corrupted modding) or by consent. The worst thing you can do is try to engage with a known bully on a serious topic - that's just a hook to draw you in for what they really crave - a confrontation where they can beat someone down to get their rage out. eta for your edit, re the haters sub-forum. While it's a good idea in general, with little to no modding it wouldn't work. Icy doesn't just want to complain about QAL (in fact she never discusses QAL at all). She wants to bitch at and insult SC. She won't put her bitch posts in a wank forum because she's like a child who needs attention - she'll go straight to the source. What's the point of wanking without a subject to read it, as no doubt SC or you wouldn't go to said forum. They'd never be restricted to such a place. I do belong to a Lambert forum where there is a bert and a wank post, and the wank post has more stuff than the bert, because it's human nature. People are drama llamas. ETA: One additional comment. Sometimes grassroots change does happen. For every bully on a forum, there are many other lurkers who are appalled and do not approve. We saw a good example of that last week, when one spoke up. It's the 'Have you no shame' response bullies will eventually elicit when they go too far. I wouldn't make the mistake in assuming that just because there are a few vocal bullies on a forum that everyone else is like that. In my experience, most people are decent, even if they don't like getting embroiled in controversy. The more extreme bullies get, the more likely others will step up to complain. That's the flip-side/good side of human nature. |
Queenfansunite 21.05.2014 15:55 |
I refer to the gang stalking of posters here on queen zone forums Bullying you and sweet Caroline and harassing you both for everything you post Like icy stalks you two here Maybe you think I am the exception to the rule then, but I have seen others banned unjustly, but one thing is certain, I know the bullies are never banned. Anyway enough is enough If the mods can ban me for wanting to post about the biopic, why can't they be bothered to ban people for bullying.? Or at least tell them to stop bullying. I am awaiting Brian May's " no to bullying of humans on his Own and other Queen Forums campaign " Bullying is not a alternative lifestyle choice, some may find it funny but it's wrong! |
taptap 21.05.2014 16:07 |
Queenfansunite wrote: I refer to the gang stalking of posters here on queen zone forums Bullying you and sweet Caroline and harassing you both for everything you post Like icy stalks you two here Maybe you think I am the exception to the rule then, but I have seen others banned unjustly, but one thing is certain, I know the bullies are never banned. Anyway enough is enough If the mods can ban me for wanting to post about the biopic, why can't they be bothered to ban people for bullying.? Or at least tell them to stop bullying. I am awaiting Brian May's " no to bullying of humans on his own queen forums campaign " Brian May is not universally admired by some, as you've probably noticed. Some Queen fans question his judgement - in continuing to perform as Queen without Freddie or John, in choosing their collaborating frontmen (the same happened to PR as to AL - it's just AL's moment in the spotlight now). Forums registered in the UK are strictly regulated by anti-hate speech and bulling legislation, though, which is why generally both the mods and posters are wary of crossing certain lines. It happens though, and always will. That's when you see some guy crying as he's arrested at a family dinner somewhere in Leeds or something. The internet really does fool people into thinking they can get away with anything. But let's be fair - bullying a child to the point where she commits suicide is a vastly different thing than bullying a fervent fan about their favorite artist. Lambert would likely be the first person to say no one should ever take that very seriously. After all, QAL is going on, and so far, from sales alone, looks hugely successful. Who cares who doesn't like them? Only those that buy a ticket, album, merch, etc. matter in the economic scheme of things. There will always be complainers, but they have no influence. Brian and Roger have made it plain that they'll do what they want, and that's pretty much that. The rest of us may as well just sit back and enjoy (or not) as the case may be. ETA: That said, I will point out that I have seen at least one example (maybe more than one) of someone who followed SC to her facebook and posted a private picture here along with her real name using a corruption of her user name here, so that it looked as though she'd done it herself. The mods rightly deleted that post. Hopefully the poster was banned. That's the sort of thing that can get someone in very hot water depending on their country's legislation on stalking. That's what I mean by crossing the line, and those things should ALWAYS be brought to someone's attention who can actually do something about it. |
taptap 21.05.2014 16:38 |
Queenfansunite wrote: ...Maybe you think I am the exception to the rule then, but I have seen others banned unjustly, but one thing is certain, I know the bullies are never banned.... taptap wrote: I haven't been here very long, which probably explains why I haven't become aware of any bannings. I did see Barb's post about their policy of letting the forum self-regulate except in the worst-case example, and that was in response to an old-timer trying to get new-comers banned. She declined, and I thought she made the right call. I'm very sorry to hear you got caught up in such a thing. |
inu-liger 21.05.2014 16:54 |
You're making it sound as if I'm against ALL newcomers. No, I suggested a ban because of all the AL spam* that you and Carol were producing from the get go as soon as you arrived on QZ. There has been previous precedent for removing users for that type of behaviour (joining QZ with the intent to ban), however in this case Barb disagreed and consulted with Richard to repurpose this subforum for you guys. Contrary to what MEDUSA thinks, the "old timers" here don't have THAT much pull as you yourselves noted the admins have a very easygoing handsfree "moderation" policy on here. *Speaking of spam, MEDUSA you were banned here and on QOL because of your excessive spamming involving the blog you created in response to the Freddie biopic production, as well as your YouTube videos and the duplicate topics centered on your hate-filled campaign to get Sacha Baron Cohen removed from the movie in favour of some no name actor that none of us ever heard about. Several people other than myself complained to Barb about you, since you refused to cut down on the excess spam. And you were banned again for ban evading, when you rejoined to try and pull the same shit again. To be honest, this topic has the most surprising amount of postings I have ever seen from you that do not selfishly revolve around your blog. |
taptap 21.05.2014 17:30 |
inu-liger wrote: You're making it sound as if I'm against ALL newcomers. No, I suggested a ban because of all the AL spam* that you and Carol were producing from the get go as soon as you arrived on QZ. There has been previous precedent for removing users for that type of behaviour (joining QZ with the intent to ban), however in this case Barb disagreed and consulted with Richard to repurpose this subforum for you guys. Contrary to what MEDUSA thinks, the "old timers" here don't have THAT much pull as you yourselves noted the admins have a very easygoing handsfree "moderation" policy on here. *Speaking of spam, MEDUSA you were banned here and on QOL because of your excessive spamming involving the blog you created in response to the Freddie biopic production, as well as your YouTube videos and the duplicate topics centered on your hate-filled campaign to get Sacha Baron Cohen removed from the movie in favour of some no name actor that none of us ever heard about. Several people other than myself complained to Barb about you, since you refused to cut down on the excess spam. And you were banned again for ban evading, when you rejoined to try and pull the same shit again. To be honest, this topic has the most surprising amount of postings I have ever seen from you that do not selfishly revolve around your blog. I really don't understand why the mods care about a bunch of posts about Adam Lambert when he's collaborating with Queen. Is there a post limit in effect? I get why members who are opposed to AL or Q+ don't like it, but so what? It's not spam when it's on topic, it's just a lot of posts. And believe it or not, most forum admins prefer a lot of posts to a few - it's a sign of a growing as opposed to a stagnant or shrinking forum. I do think it's spamming when the posts have nothing to do with either Queen or their collaborators. These are icy's posts. They have nothing to do with either Queen or QAL or even music in general, but are simply attacks on SC personally and about their personal interactions here and elsewhere. Now that's the very definition of spam; it has nothing to do with the topic and is solely about the poster(s). I can scroll over posts that hate AL's talent, or just his involvement with 1/2 Queen, but why should I have to scroll over a bunch of nonsense from icy about icy in a forum about QAL? She is not a celebrity, nor is she the topic of any sub-forum here. It's ridiculous. |
Queenfansunite 21.05.2014 17:34 |
inu-liger wrote: You're making it sound as if I'm against ALL newcomers. No, I suggested a ban because of all the AL spam* that you and Carol were producing from the get go as soon as you arrived on QZ. There has been previous precedent for removing users for that type of behaviour (joining QZ with the intent to ban), however in this case Barb disagreed and consulted with Richard to repurpose this subforum for you guys. Contrary to what MEDUSA thinks, the "old timers" here don't have THAT much pull as you yourselves noted the admins have a very easygoing handsfree "moderation" policy on here. *Speaking of spam, MEDUSA you were banned here and on QOL because of your excessive spamming involving the blog you created in response to the Freddie biopic production, as well as your YouTube videos and the duplicate topics centered on your hate-filled campaign to get Sacha Baron Cohen removed from the movie in favour of some no name actor that none of us ever heard about. Several people other than myself complained to Barb about you, since you refused to cut down on the excess spam. And you were banned again for ban evading, when you rejoined to try and pull the same shit again. To be honest, this topic has the most surprising amount of postings I have ever seen from you that do not selfishly revolve around your blog.My posts on the biopic should have been allowed. The hate replies from you and the gang is what was wrong. I did not spam the forum, I was posting on a subject that was relevant the Freddie Mercury biopic which is a Upcoming Queen project, should I not be allowed my opinion , I mean I def had one, and it was not a trivial pedestrian opinion , just like Adam lambert enthusiasts, it was and is a very detailed opinion backed up by years of dedication. And while it is true that I had a lot to show on the topic, it was like that because I had I dedicated myself to the biopic. There was no justifiable reason for banning me , but there was very valid reasons for those attacking me to be banned, as they chose to personally attack me and single my posts out with a campaign of bullying harassment. I was disavowed my right to free speech on the subject matter I chose to be interested in, and was blacklisted by you and your gang of bullies. The same attack is now under way against sweet Caroline and tap tap, who while not about to banned as that would be too obvious, are still suffering the attacks of both icy and you inuliger. why do you not just let them get on with posting what they wish on the subject of Adam lambert , what exactly is the problem with them or anyone voicing their opinions and posting their links to the subject they are interested in? I just do not understand why you do this attack on people, there is no justifiable reason I can see for this . Why not just live and let live, and let them get on with it, as you should have done with me also, and anyone else who wishes to post their interests related to Queen projects . My posts comprised of my interest in the biopic and things I had done for it , such as the cast and videos showing how good they look etc, but yours and most of the regular gangs posts are ridicule and bullying of other people whatever the subject matter. I do not like people who's main aim in life seems to be a need to control others and bully them, you can come out with all sorts of accusations against others, to me you say my posts were spam, I do not see all the work I did making my videos as spam, they took me ages to do, as did my blog. You just like to insult me it seems by calling my stuff spam. but I have seen your bullying of others and myself inuliger, and you spam your bullying as that is all you seem to do, when you have people in here who are not part of your group, yes you spam your bullying then and attack in a spam of hatred. So don't give me that, why don't you be reasonable and live and let live? Then if we could debate properly i could debate you wether or not a newcomer a unknown face would be better to portray Freddie than anyone known. My constant arguments against Sacha were not a hate campaign, they were a creative attack done in good humour, but making a serious point, which in the end Queen themselves agreed with. And as I have posted on my blog, I would like to see Sacha play the retired section Freddie, based upon my idea of how to best format the storyline. I want the film to be in 3 parts, and the retired section would be a axis pin, to tell Freddie's story in a novel and interesting way, and add an creative element to keep the movie full of things to look forward to instead of only looking back as bio stories can be rather stale and difficult to make original in the way the story unfolds, most options have been used and my idea of how to lay out the story was far more interesting than just chronological or the one moment in time format they appear to be going for with a reflection back aspect. link Let me live original banned version Dedicated to all victims of bullying on Queen forums (This includes inuliger if ever he was bullied/ and even icy / lets all unite and live! ) |
Mr.QueenFan 21.05.2014 18:39 |
Queenfansunite wrote: For instance, in liger what he did was covered up yet again! Even by queen fan who edited his capture of what he saidYou're wrong! I didn't edit my capture of Inu-Liger's post to cover up what was said. I did it, because both he and i agreed on it. I saw a genuine response from him about the anxiety and other factors - that are well known to members in general - and that was enough for me! This forum is not moderated, so i really appreciated that Inu offered his explanation about what was happening. ____________________________________________ Now you Queenfansunite, i'm very surprised to see you are Medusa. I would have never guessed! If you start writing more posts like you did here, people reaction to you will be very different from the past. |
Queenfansunite 21.05.2014 18:48 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote:That just goes to show we should be more tolerant of people, people come here knowing no oneQueenfansunite wrote: For instance, in liger what he did was covered up yet again! Even by queen fan who edited his capture of what he saidYou're wrong! I didn't edit my capture of Inu-Liger's post to cover up what was said. I did it, because both he and i agreed on it. I saw a genuine response from him about the anxiety and other factors - that are well known to members in general - and that was enough for me! This forum is not moderated, so i really appreciated that Inu offered his explanation about what was happening. ____________________________________________ Now you Queenfansunite, i'm very surprised to see you are Medusa. I would have never guessed! If you start writing more posts like you did here, people reaction to you will be very different from the past. And come here because they are enthused with things to do with Queen, Queen are the reason people come here, I came posting on my pet subject to do with Queen and received a response I did not in a million years expect. Total hatred and opposition. I think its time everyone just tried to get on with each other and make some positive effort to not attack anyone.and allow people creativity even, I don't take offence at anyone posting what they want, other than attacking others. |
inu-liger 22.05.2014 03:14 |
Queenfansunite wrote: My posts on the biopic should have been allowed.If you had followed proper forum etiquette in the first place and kept your topics to a minimum rather than creating multiple topics that were essentially all the same topic anyway, they would have stayed put since. The hate replies from you and the gang is what was wrong. I did not spam the forum I was posting on a subject that was relevant the Freddie Mercury biopic which is a Upcoming Queen projectOH yes you did man, yes you did big time! I'm not the only one who saw the spam for what it was, I'm sure there are others who remember your posts quite well. Whether the original content you wrote was technically spam or not in itself is irrelevant when put to scale against the method you were using to put your content front and center. Again, the multiple topic problem you created yourself. People asked you on both Queenzone and QueenOnline to cut it out many times, you did not do so, and so the mods on both sites (who by the way, we don't share any mods in common with QOL, in case you were going to dare try and push your little group bully conspiracy theory further!) had to intervene and cut you off by the only true effective method which was banning after you ignored the warnings from the higher ups. I don't think I had so much to do with your QOL ban. If I have as much pull here as you'd like to believe, trust me when I say this, I have very little pull when it comes to the mods on QOL in comparison. They are a tough cookie bunch. should I not be allowed my opinion , I mean I def had one, and it was not a trivial pedestrian opinion , just like Adam lambert enthusiasts, it was and is a very detailed opinion backed up by years of dedication.Certainly everyone has an opinion, but that's not the issue here. Again, the problem was the WAY you were going about expressing your opinion. It was inappropriately obnoxious, it was hijacking the board and making redundant use of bandwidth, and you were pissing off a lot of people in the process. And while it is true that I had a lot to show on the topic, it was like that because I had I dedicated myself to the biopic.Which again led to what the rest of us perceived to be obnoxious spammy behaviour. There was no justifiable reason for banning me , but there was very valid reasons for those attacking me to be banned, as they chose to personally attack me and single my posts out with a campaign of bullying harassment. I was disavowed my right to free speech on the subject matter I chose to be interested in, and was blacklisted by you and your gang of bullies.Nice victim card moment there. I disagree with the use of your term "Blacklisted" The same attack is now under way against sweet Caroline and tap tap, who while not about to banned as that would be too obvious, are still suffering the attacks of both icy and you inuliger. why do you not just let them get on with posting what they wish on the subject of Adam lambert , what exactly is the problem with them or anyone voicing their opinions and posting their links to the subject they are interested in? I just do not understand why you do this attack on people, there is no justifiable reason I can see for this .I loathe trolls and career spammers who come on this website with an M.O. to either spam or troll the hell out of this forum and contribute to the downward spiral that's been driving away the GOOD users that used to be long time posters here, instead of participating in serious discussions and contributing positively to the website. Try and understand my position for a moment here. I've been on this website since 1999/2000, and like a few others here I'm frustrated with the degradation in quality this website has suffered as a result of the hands free "moderation" over the years. When you came here at first, you fell into the spammer category as far as the rest of us were concerned. We had already had enough with other big time trolls such as Treasure Moment, Jake Britt around that time, and you came into the picture and pushed our buttons big time. My posts comprised of my interest in the biopic and things I had done for it , such as the cast and videos showing how good they look etc, but yours and most of the regular gangs posts are ridicule and bullying of other people whatever the subject matter.Try reflecting on yourself and your past posts from the other side of the fence. The reason might come to you. I do not like people who's main aim in life seems to be a need to control others and bully them, you can come out with all sorts of accusations against others, to me you say my posts were spam, I do not see all the work I did making my videos as spam, they took me ages to do, as did my blog. You just like to insult me it seems by calling my stuff spam. but I have seen your bullying of others and myself inuliger, and you spam your bullying as that is all you seem to do, when you have people in here who are not part of your group, yes you spam your bullying then and attack in a spam of hatred.Spam my bullying? Give me a break. You're starting to sound like rocknrolllover here. So don't give me that, why don't you be reasonable and live and let live? Then if we could debate properly i could debate you wether or not a newcomer a unknown face would be better to portray Freddie than anyone known.No offense, but I lost interest in the biopic because of the bad taste your blog related spamming left in my mouth. I'm not interested in any debates at this point as such. My constant arguments against Sacha were not a hate campaign, they were a creative attack done in good humour, but making a serious point, which in the end Queen themselves agreed with.That's not the way I remember it. You had set your target on him in a very fanatical, vehement manner. And as I have posted on my blog, I would like to see Sacha play the retired section Freddie, based upon my idea of how to best format the storyline.A shocking change of stance. I want the film to be in 3 parts, and the retired section would be a axis pin, to tell Freddie's story in a novel and interesting way, and add an creative element to keep the movie full of things to look forward to instead of only looking back as bio stories can be rather stale and difficult to make original in the way the story unfolds, most options have been used and my idea of how to lay out the story was far more interesting than just chronological or the one moment in time format they appear to be going for with a reflection back aspect.Not trying to shoot you down man, but as someone who's been involved in creating and making music in the studio for a few years now, for instance, what you personally might think is a great idea on paper may not be something everyone else agrees with in principle or in practice. Just some food for thought. |
SweetCaroline 22.05.2014 07:04 |
What does all of this have to do with Queen expanding their tour to Australia and possibly New Zealand? Ha! Ha! However, I appreciate the support against the bullying and stalking! |
SweetCaroline 22.05.2014 08:32 |
SweetCaroline wrote: More: linkThis is an interesting comment in this article -- Led Zeppelin? ..... 'Rather than following the low-road to fame like Fortune, Lambert didn’t set out to front a cash-grab reunion tour. He made his way as a solo act in his own right and has released two solo albums since his American Idol success. According to Forbes, he pocketed a cool $5 million last year and will release a third solo record – the follow-up to 2012’s favourably received Trespassing – later this year. Touring with Queen isn’t going to hurt him but it’s not like it’s his only option – he could probably front a Led Zeppelin tour as well." |
Queenfansunite 22.05.2014 11:02 |
Inuliger can attack me all he wants but he is wrong. "Not trying to shoot you down man, but as someone who's been involved in creating and making music in the studio for a few years now, for instance, what you personally might think is a great idea on paper may not be something everyone else agrees with in principle or in practice. " The post was about how to present the story of Freddie's life within Queen, with an original twist that would make it more than just the usual well trodden biographical road map. It has nothing to do with music or producing music. And as for your saying my still wanting Sacha to play Freddie retired is a turn around, It isn't, as I told Brian May that when I sent him a script idea a few months before the night before I sent him the picture of Jeremy Kapone which is the header of my blog, the morning after I sent that , he announced that Sacha would NOT be portraying Freddie. Obviously you have not read my blog, which is no surprise as you are hostile towards everything i ever said here about the biopic, and as such you don't really know what I have said, but Brian May does. As for queen online i posted all my posts on the subject in the thread on the biopic movie In here my posts were deleted and taken over by trolls telling me to fuck off etc and die etc etc So I had to create new posts or I posted on other threads that were started by other people talking about the biopic And yes sweet Caroline you are right, again I have fallen for trying to defend myself against these constant accusers and I am sorry I was going off topic. I shall stop posting replies to inuliger and anyone else who falsely attacks me. Please continue with your Adam lambert threads. But you can imagine my sense of VICTORY ( I cannot wait for my TUNE) , when straight after I sent Brian May the picture of Jeremy Kapone as Freddie , the picture that now is "THE BANNER" on my blog , he announced that Sacha Baron Cohen shall NOT be playing Freddie in the movie, literally hours after I sent him that picture. This is THE picture that got Sacha out of the biopic And you cannot fail to see the " Q " either for the sake of Jeremy's Eye- the Eyes have it, don't you think? link My detractors have permission to post BELOW ME Not yours MEDUSA |
inu-liger 22.05.2014 18:08 |
Queenfansunite wrote:And as for your saying my still wanting Sacha to play Freddie retired is a turn around, It isn't, as I told Brian May that when I sent him a script idea a few months before the night before I sent him the picture of Jeremy Kapone which is the header of my blog, the morning after I sent that , he announced that Sacha would NOT be portraying Freddie. · · · · · But you can imagine my sense of VICTORY ( I cannot wait for my TUNE) , when straight after I sent Brian May the picture of Jeremy Kapone as Freddie , the picture that now is "THE BANNER" on my blog , he announced that Sacha Baron Cohen shall NOT be playing Freddie in the movie, literally hours after I sent him that picture. This is THE picture that got Sacha out of the biopicYou're a highly egotistical prat if you think I am going to buy that self inflated fantastical garbage for a second. That is extremely unrealistic in the least to assume that some fan submitted picture of yours, you a mere so called "fan" with no more influential pull on Brian than me or any other fan here, sent presumably late at night sparked an internal last minute flurry in the most ungodly hour of night for Brian to all of a sudden contact Roger in a panic to say "Oh my god we MUST get rid of Sacha because some fan with a blog sent in a picture that's changed my mind all of a sudden!" and convince Roger to follow suit, and so forth and so forth, just to lead to an early morning press announcement. Get over yourself. Really. Get over yourself. At best, that was an act on your part that was no more than very coincidental in the timing. Unfortunately that coincidence has led you to let yourself believe otherwise and run with it. Professional decisions don't happen just like THAT. Clearly there were factors that had to have brewed over time. And if there was a contract involved, both parties would have had to mutually agree to cancel it. No way a bunch of entertainment lawyers are going to be contacted all at the same time at some ungodly hour too just to get involved to make these changes happen in a very short time span! Unfortunately you're probably going to continue to live in your fantasy scenario and continue to dismiss me as a bully despite the fact I form my opinions based on REALITY and on previous precedence & experience, so I'm not going to argue this bit any further with you. And you cannot fail to see the " Q " either for the sake of Jeremy's Eye- the Eyes have it, don't you think?Apparently Queen don't think so. They went with Ben Wishaw for a reason, and I think I can see why. For your amusement, I went on Google Images to compare the two, and Ben Wishaw fits the 80's Freddie image. Kapone maybe might have been appropriate for a 70's Freddie, but only a fool would think Queen want to promote the 70's Freddie image front and center. Whether you, me or the rest of the fans like it or not, 80's Freddie is what the general public will always expect to see thanks to the post-1991 image campaign QPL and the Mercury Estate have embarked on since to ensure 80's Freddie stays ingrained in the public consciousness. And chances are, your campaign to have Kapone replace Cohen might have (Key word: MIGHT HAVE) hurt his chances anyways, even if he had a fair chance to compete for the role. I don't think he would be too pleased to learn that some fanatical man went around overpromoting him in a manner that pissed off another entity's legion of fans across multiple public forums, damaging his image in the process. |
SweetCaroline 22.05.2014 19:44 |
More publicity in Australia for QAL: "The performance will include enormously talented Adam Lambert as vocal front man. A befitting replacement for the late great Freddie Mercury, Lambert is sure to do the legend and legacy that is Mr Mercury justice." From this article link |
Iron Butterfly 22.05.2014 23:22 |
Holy fuck. I'm shocked medusa is once again trying to pull the wool over people's eyes. The biggest troll/spammer/ignorant/self absorbed/selfish/deluded poster I've ever come across. You do know he was banned outright for spreading crap on QOL, it's never changed a bit, in fact it's even worse. Enjoy or not SC and taptap your talks with queenfansunite/medusa etc etc who thinks for one AIDS is fake and has the gall to post that on a Queen board, and so much more crap besides. If you fall for this guy and his "truths", you'll fall for anything. I wouldn't wish his hate/anger on anyone. |
Iron Butterfly 22.05.2014 23:29 |
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inu-liger 23.05.2014 00:17 |
Oh lord, I forgot all about his AIDS denial postings. Thank you icy. |
Queenfansunite 23.05.2014 09:28 |
More slander i see you will not change. as for Aids, there is a body of actual scientific evidence that proves acute immune deficiency is caused by the aids drugs that were given to those told they were hiv+ ,also there is a body of actual scientific evidence that shows there is no possible correlation between HIV and the development of immune deficiency. The scientific evidence for this comes from the top specialists in the aids field, including the man who designed the first test for HIV, and the top Nobel prize winning virologist in the world, and even the man who first discovered hiv. The drug company that manufactured the Azt drug have now admitted it causes immune deficiencies which have led to cancers. Freddie developed cancer from the same group of drugs, and all the newer aids drugs work using the same lethal mechanism that Azt worked by, which is to destroy the bodies ability to replicate DNA which kills the body until you waste away to nothing ,have no immune system, and die of any disease you can care to think of. Everything on the pro hiv= aids side , was given to the world in a press conference hosted by the right wing government of Ronald reagon infront of the worlds media in the 1980's, no science was involved and never has been. |
john bodega 23.05.2014 11:24 |
"there is a body of actual scientific evidence that proves acute immune deficiency is caused by the aids drugs" ie. I saw it on a Youtube clip once and decided it's a lot more reliable than, I dunno - actual science. |
Queenfansunite 23.05.2014 18:18 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "there is a body of actual scientific evidence that proves acute immune deficiency is caused by the aids drugs" ie. I saw it on a Youtube clip once and decided it's a lot more reliable than, I dunno - actual science.Well if you actually take the time to see where the idea comes from you will see it is scientific. I don't know which docs on youtube you've been using but that fact is that top virologists know how the aids drugs work and what they do to the human body. They destroy it. And about HIV, it has never been isolated to prove it is actually a virus, why? Because it seems it does not actually really exist as a virus, but even if it does, the man who claims it is some kind of virus has stated in interviews that it is easy to recover from a infection of it, by good diet and water. Those are the actual facts and if you care to actually look for them, you will see that is the truth of the matter. And again, the drug Azt has now been admitted to cause cancer, again that is factual and was admitted by the drug company that produced the shit, again if you care to look , you can find that is true also. So it's upto you , be continually ignorant of the facts or face the realities. Here you are Peter Duesberg has repeatedly referred to AZT as a "poison", and with good reason. AZT is cytotoxic -- it kills cells. AZT terminates DNA synthesis, the very life process itself, by which new cells are formed and grow. It is in the very nature of AZT to kill healthy cells. Therefore, damage to the muscles, to the nerves, and to each and every organ of the body should be considered expected consequences of AZT therapy. Ethics I believe that history will severely condemn the ethical shortcomings of such AZT promoters as Samuel Broder, Anthony Fauci, and Margaret Fischl. In their zeal to expand the market for AZT, they have unconscionably failed to inform the public about the likely long-term consequences of AZT therapy. I also believe that history will condemn the physicians, "AIDS groups" and individuals who have been urging healthy ("HIV- infected") gay men to take AZT. Two years ago I wrote in the Native that "It is malpractice for physicians to prescribe AZT, a poison which can only harm the patient." [note 14] I reaffirm this judgment. When physicians coax and cajole and bully their "HIV-positive" patients into taking AZT, do they tell them that the long-term effects of AZT are unknown?...that AZT is cytotoxic?...that AZT destroys bone marrow?...that AZT causes muscular atrophy and pain?...that AZT terminates DNA synthesis?...that AZT damages the nerves, kidneys, and liver? Do they tell their patients that AZT will probably cause cancer in the long run? If not, these physicians have failed to inform their patients about the dangers of a drug whose "benefits" have yet to be demonstrated. link Whoops They would sue if they did not say this: And struck off if they were lying. Dr. Andrew Herxheimer, Emeritus Professor of Pharmacology, UK Cochrane Centre, Oxford: "I think zidovudine [AZT] was never really evaluated properly and that its efficacy has never been proved, but it's toxicity certainly is important. And I think it has killed a lot of people. Especially at the high doses. I personally think it not worth using alone or in combination at all." (Continuum Oct. 2000) link "Up to today there is actually no single scientifically really convincing evidence for the existence of HIV. Not even once (has) such a retrovirus been isolated and purified by the methods of classical virology." Dr. Heinz Ludwig Sanger, Emeritus Professor of Molecular Biology and Virology, Max-Planck-Institutes for Biochemistry, Munchen. link "If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact, at least with a high probability. There is no such document." Dr Kary Mullis, Biochemist, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry. link Kary received a Nobel Prize in chemistry in 1993, for his invention of the polymerase chain reaction (PCR). The process, which Kary Mullis conceptualized in 1983, is hailed as one of the monumental scientific techniques of the twentieth century. link Ironically, if that is the right word, Kary Mullins is the man who invented the HIV PCR test ( The first HIV test ) and so the man won the Nobel prize for it. And as a Nobel Prize winner for the PCR HIV test and as a Biochemist , Kay Mullins says HIV does not cause AIDS as there is no scientific evidence at all anywhere that proves it does. One things for certain, we know that whatever drugs Freddie was given, they did not cure him, in fact as he went on them , he got muscular astrophy and wasted away , and he also got cancer. so we see correlation between what the experts say these drugs cause and what happened to Freddie after he took them. Once your DNA replication is stopped you are f**** And we also know that Freddie was only on those drugs because of a HIV+ test result. But listen to what the actual discoverer of the unproven virus says about it "The causal role of HIV in AIDS is certainly not proven." Dr. Luc Montagnier, Virologist, discoverer of HIV, Institute Pasteur Paris: link But what is proven is that if you are told you are HIV+ you go on the Drugs which did not cure people but were THE must have treatment that was given before THE death of Millions. And if your still confused , as anybody got the " David Live" 70's live Bowie album? link David Live but wasting away But as far as I know Freddie looked perfectly healthy until he got put on drugs because of the unproven HIV + Virus label. "The causal role of HIV in AIDS is certainly not proven." Dr. Luc Montagnier, Virologist, discoverer of HIV, Institute Pasteur Paris: Dr. Charles Thomas, Molecular Biologist and former Harvard and Johns Hopkins Professor: "The HIV-causes-AIDS dogma represents the grandest and perhaps the most morally destructive fraud that has ever been perpetrated on young men and women of the Western world," Dr. Charles Thomas (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994) Dr. Albert Sabin, Virologist: "I think the views of a person like Dr. Duesberg are terribly, terribly important, and we must pay attention to them." (Oakland Tribune 31 Jan. 1988) link Dr. Andrew Herxheimer, Emeritus Professor of Pharmacology, UK Cochrane Centre, Oxford: "I think zidovudine [AZT] was never really evaluated properly and that its efficacy has never been proved, but it's toxicity certainly is important. And I think it has killed a lot of people. Especially at the high doses. I personally think it not worth using alone or in combination at all." (Continuum Oct. 2000) link |
SweetCaroline 23.05.2014 19:47 |
Back to Australia: "Queen & Adam Lambert Announce Australia Tour" link |
Iron Butterfly 23.05.2014 21:05 |
SweetCaroline wrote: Back to Australia: "Queen & Adam Lambert Announce Australia Tour" linkAfter sdumedusa's/queenfansunite post above, that is a good read. I hope these shows go well too. I'm interested in how these shows go...I wasn't expecting shows there at all. |
SweetCaroline 24.05.2014 12:06 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "Adam has performed many times in Australia and is well respected there" I meet too many Queen fans here to take that entirely seriously, but I've a feeling the shows will sell. The attitude among most of the people I've spoken to is "ugh, but fuck it - Brian and Roger won't be coming back after this, might as well go". And if Nickelback can sell out a show, I have to believe half of Queen could at least get a few seats filled.QUEENBERTFEVER ?@POPTHATFEVER 30m First presale has SOLD OUT for Melbourne @QueenWillRock & @adamlambert show. 2nd presale & gen public sale this week! |
guild93 24.05.2014 22:34 |
There's a Facebook page for the Australian tour: link |
SweetCaroline 25.05.2014 18:00 |
guild93 wrote: There's a Facebook page for the Australian tour: linkHope you don't mind that I fixed your link (took the "s" out) so that you can click on it directly: link |
SweetCaroline 25.05.2014 18:56 |
Good advertising for Melbourne: link |
john bodega 26.05.2014 01:20 |
"Well if you actually take the time to I Googled some random shit and hey it must be real". Fixed your post. |
5150 26.05.2014 03:01 |
I got my tickets today, $159 . Me and my lady cant wait!!!! |
john bodega 26.05.2014 03:22 |
Because of travel plans, I won't be in Perth when they get here - I'm arriving home again the day after. : Really, actually, seriously, maturely contemplated the prospect of flying to another Australian city to catch a show. I can't really overstate how much it would mean to me to see Brian May before he retires from live stuff, but the hassle is a turn-off. I'm putting it in perspective this way : I never got to see Freddie, either! |
inu-liger 26.05.2014 06:28 |
SweetCaroline wrote: What does all of this have to do with Queen expanding their tour to Australia and possibly New Zealand? Ha! Ha!I originally missed this post in the midst of MEDUSA's trolling (which I see now has been quashed again). It's part of his online persona's raison d'être, to hijack other posts with posts that lead to his own self interests. Kind of ironic in a way, but I'll leave it at that ;-) Anyways back to your regularly scheduled topical programming... |
SweetCaroline 26.05.2014 08:52 |
A second show being added in Melbourne: "2ND SHOW ANNOUNCED FOR MELBOURNE! From @Ticketek ~ #ALFC link ... |
Iron Butterfly 26.05.2014 13:26 |
inu-liger wrote:I think he will be back. How many times has it been now?SweetCaroline wrote: What does all of this have to do with Queen expanding their tour to Australia and possibly New Zealand? Ha! Ha!I originally missed this post in the midst of MEDUSA's trolling (which I see now has been quashed again). It's part of his online persona's raison d'être, to hijack other posts with posts that lead to his own self interests. Kind of ironic in a way, but I'll leave it at that ;-) Anyways back to your regularly scheduled topical programming... |
inu-liger 26.05.2014 13:28 |
This was probably his 3rd time for sure being on the site. |
inu-liger 26.05.2014 13:29 |
Anyways back on topic, I hope the fans in Adelaide and New Zealand will be successful in petitioning for shows there. |
Iron Butterfly 26.05.2014 20:13 |
inu-liger wrote: Anyways back on topic, I hope the fans in Adelaide and New Zealand will be successful in petitioning for shows there.I'd like them to get shows although I think petitioning for shows is a bit much. Take into account is will be a very busy few weeks, I hope everyone's well being holds out. Kinda off topic, but which show are you looking forward to the most? The one closer or farther away from you? |
inu-liger 26.05.2014 20:55 |
Definitely the Edmonton one, but looking just as forward to the Calgary show. It will be really nice to have two full days to spend in Calgary, hoping to make the most out of it with 'round the city sightseeing and visiting friends there. Honestly, Calgary really makes Edmonton look like a dump (but then nearly ANY major Canadian city would! ;) ) |
Iron Butterfly 26.05.2014 21:17 |
inu-liger wrote: Definitely the Edmonton one, but looking just as forward to the Calgary show. It will be really nice to have two full days to spend in Calgary, hoping to make the most out of it with 'round the city sightseeing and visiting friends there. Honestly, Calgary really makes Edmonton look like a dump (but then nearly ANY major Canadian city would! ;) )I hope you have fun. Will you give your thoughts on both of the shows? Meeting with friends is also good. Will your friends attend the Calgary show? I wish in my time I managed to see more of Calgary, but I saw very little. I don't want to give my exact location away, but I went for a little drive east of here a few weeks ago, it was like a whole new world compared to where I live. Funny enough, I've wanted to go to Edmonton in my 8 years and a half of being here, never did although I've family close or north of Edmonton. I've accepted I can't go to the shows, it's just that more things come first. The way, I've been feeling lately, I wouldn't want to risk it. What really is a letdown is missing the chance to meet my friends/Queen fans. |
inu-liger 26.05.2014 23:24 |
Likely will be giving my thoughts after the shows indeed :) |
SweetCaroline 27.05.2014 09:22 |
Looking good: "Dainty Group @daintygroup We're overwhelmed by the Australian @queenwillrock + @adamlambert fans!! Our @daintygroup pre-sale has now closed but.... TOMORROW at 10am a NEW allocation of great @queenwillrock + @adamlambert Tickets & VIP Packages will go on sale HERE: link |
SweetCaroline 27.05.2014 16:13 |
CruellaDeVille wrote: Anyone in Australia notice the complete lack of TV/Radio advertising? Whilst it rated a brief mention amongst the news on some channels, there has been nothing that would inform the general public and so ensure something like a full house. I'm happy if this lasts up until the pre-sale tickets tomorrow, but people in the promotions department need a kick up the arse!Hey Cruella, they just added a second show in Sydney: link |
taptap 27.05.2014 17:49 |
SweetCaroline wrote:CruellaDeVille wrote: Anyone in Australia notice the complete lack of TV/Radio advertising? Whilst it rated a brief mention amongst the news on some channels, there has been nothing that would inform the general public and so ensure something like a full house. I'm happy if this lasts up until the pre-sale tickets tomorrow, but people in the promotions department need a kick up the arse!Hey Cruella, they just added a second show in Sydney: http://twitter.com/brianmaycom/status/471380348044320768 Lack of promotion in business usually means they don't believe they need to spend the money on promotion - i.e. they think the product will sell itself (by word of mouth, etc.). From the looks of things, I think they're right. Any monies saved on marketing (PR, promo, advertising, etc.) are monies that flow to the bottom line, and businesses love profit! |
Iron Butterfly 27.05.2014 17:57 |
inu-liger wrote: Likely will be giving my thoughts after the shows indeed :)Thanks. It should be awesome to get a non biased review :) |
SweetCaroline 27.05.2014 18:30 |
"Due to unbridled excitement and overwhelming pre-sale demand, promoters for the upcoming Queen + Adam Lambert Australian tour are giving Sydney audiences one more chance to see what is sure to be a powerhouse spectacular." link |
taptap 27.05.2014 19:26 |
SweetCaroline wrote: "Due to unbridled excitement and overwhelming pre-sale demand, promoters for the upcoming Queen + Adam Lambert Australian tour are giving Sydney audiences one more chance to see what is sure to be a powerhouse spectacular." http://musicfeeds.com.au/news/queen-adam-lambert-second-sydney-show-announced/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MusicFeeds+%28Music+Feeds%29 Yup, selling itself! I wish wish wish I could tie in a first-ever visit to Oz with a QAL concert, but timing is not there for me. Oh, well, NA venues will have to do. |
SweetCaroline 27.05.2014 20:55 |
Another radio interview--Perth link |
taptap 27.05.2014 21:28 |
SweetCaroline wrote: Another radio interview--Perth http://soundcloud.com/scorpios4music/adam-lambert-interview-perth-96fmau-2014-05-27?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=wtshare&utm_medium=Twitter&utm_content=https://soundcloud.com/scorpios4music/adam-lambert-interview-perth-96fmau-2014-05-27 Wow, in this interview he (strongly) implies he might have heard some of the work Brian and Roger are doing on the unheard Freddie tracks. Lucky devil! |
queenliveforever! 34422 27.05.2014 21:36 |
would be great if adam sang one of the new songs they recorded with freddie vocal on. Also brian said in a recent interview that made in heaven is his favourtie queen song at the moment. I hope they consider playing this live on the tour. I think adam has the vocal range to pull it off, it would be a very hard song to sing live! |
taptap 27.05.2014 22:03 |
queenliveforever! 34422 wrote: would be great if adam sang one of the new songs they recorded with freddie vocal on. Also brian said in a recent interview that made in heaven is his favourtie queen song at the moment. I hope they consider playing this live on the tour. I think adam has the vocal range to pull it off, it would be a very hard song to sing live! I'm torn. I think the audience is going to lean toward wanting to hear the big hits, since some only know those (the newer fans) but I would love to hear a few deep tracks, and it would be amazing if they did something live that was from the new Freddie tracks, but it would pack so much more of a punch if they released it as a single first, so the audience would be acquainted with it with Freddie's voice first. Still, unless they're really playing their cards close to their vest I can't imagine they'll be anywhere near ready for this with less than a month to go before the tour begins. Fingers crossed, though. |
Iron Butterfly 27.05.2014 22:24 |
queenliveforever! 34422 wrote: would be great if adam sang one of the new songs they recorded with freddie vocal on. Also brian said in a recent interview that made in heaven is his favourtie queen song at the moment. I hope they consider playing this live on the tour. I think adam has the vocal range to pull it off, it would be a very hard song to sing live!If AL were to sing unreleased Queen/Freddie songs during this upcoming tour, it would not sit well with me at all. If he sang anything from MIH...that wouldn't sit well as well. I can put that out there even though I'm not able to go to any shows :P |
SweetCaroline 28.05.2014 08:59 |
"Adam Lambert Takes On The Haters Promising Queen Tour Will Be One Hell Of A Show" link |
SweetCaroline 28.05.2014 09:24 |
Byron Cooke interview with Adam: link |
Makka 28.05.2014 09:35 |
Well my beautiful wife bought us tickets for the Perth show. I didn't get to see them in '85 so this is the closest I'll get. I know it won't be the same but looking forward to seeing Brian & Roger playing in the flesh! I hope they do some rarer live tracks, not just a greatest hits tour! |
SweetCaroline 28.05.2014 12:03 |
Posted by an Australian: "The first Sydney show appears to have sold out in one day. (I'm going). I saw Muse at the same venue in December and it took them months to sell it out." |
taptap 28.05.2014 14:05 |
SweetCaroline wrote: "Adam Lambert Takes On The Haters Promising Queen Tour Will Be One Hell Of A Show" http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/adam-lambert-takes-on-the-haters-promising-queen-tour-will-be-one-hell-of-a-show/story-e6frfn29-1226934223899 "Stay home." LOLOL. Looks like Adam's taking a page from Brian and Roger's book I'm betting he was advised specifically on this from those two so they were all in sync. Smart. Here's what Brian said a couple of months back: "Anyone that doesn't want to hear us, thanks, goodbye. No problem." Also interesting that they're discussing writing together. I imagine if they decide to do an album, they'll take a similar stance as they did originally - all members get writing credit for the songs. What a great learning experience for Adam if he gets to write with these legends. |
taptap 28.05.2014 14:07 |
SweetCaroline wrote: Posted by an Australian: "The first Sydney show appears to have sold out in one day. (I'm going). I saw Muse at the same venue in December and it took them months to sell it out." Wow, congratulations! (and get ready for a long flight!) |
SweetCaroline 28.05.2014 14:12 |
taptap wrote:That was from someone who lives in Australia!SweetCaroline wrote: Posted by an Australian: "The first Sydney show appears to have sold out in one day. (I'm going). I saw Muse at the same venue in December and it took them months to sell it out."Wow, congratulations! (and get ready for a long flight!) |
taptap 28.05.2014 14:18 |
SweetCaroline wrote:taptap wrote:That was from someone who lives in Australia!SweetCaroline wrote: Posted by an Australian: "The first Sydney show appears to have sold out in one day. (I'm going). I saw Muse at the same venue in December and it took them months to sell it out."Wow, congratulations! (and get ready for a long flight!) Oops, sorry, missed the 'Posted by an Australian line'. |
SweetCaroline 28.05.2014 14:32 |
I wish it was me going to Australia -- I've always wanted to go there, but I don't foresee that happening during the rest of my lifetime! I can't even get to New York City! |
inu-liger 28.05.2014 15:11 |
SweetCaroline wrote: I wish it was me going to Australia -- I've always wanted to go there, but I don't foresee that happening during the rest of my lifetime! I can't even get to New York City!I've been to NYC three times. It's great! Wish I could actually live there, I feel so much more at home there than I do here in Edmonton :) |
taptap 28.05.2014 15:28 |
inu-liger wrote:SweetCaroline wrote: I wish it was me going to Australia -- I've always wanted to go there, but I don't foresee that happening during the rest of my lifetime! I can't even get to New York City!I've been to NYC three times. It's great! Wish I could actually live there, I feel so much more at home there than I do here in Edmonton :) I've been to NYC at least 5 times, mostly business, but I always added on time to visit friends, etc. It's one of the best cities in the world, imo. I know it's densely populated (I think the latest figure is >12M) but each neighborhood feels like a community to me, and I've experienced the opposite of the stereotype - helpful, friendly people. One of my all-time favorite cities is Toronto. It has a similar vibe to Minneapolis - big city with a small town feel. And both are incredibly clean. Of course Minnesota is the land of 10,000 lakes, and this is actually an underestimate - five very big ones are set right in close proximity to the downtown areas of Minneapolis and St. Paul, which are just 8 miles apart. There's more green space per capita in MN than in most other US cities because the Scandinavian immigrants really valued the outdoors for recreation and nature. One of our Managers based out of Norway was at headquarters visiting, and one night he took off cross-country skiing in the heart of the city, through a creek/wooded area. Sat outside, built a fire, made a pot of coffee, did some star watching. That to me sums up the Scandinavian mentality I've seen through their descendants here. Actually it's Norwegians, Swedes and Finns to the north, and Irish and German to the south - because the climates in northern and southern Minnesota were a lot like the native lands to those groups. I went to college with a few friends from a largely Finnish area up north and almost without exception, rich or poor, each family had their own, usually outdoor, sauna. There was always a sauna before a party night out on weekends up there. Great people! |
Iron Butterfly 28.05.2014 17:01 |
taptap wrote:All in the reading comprehension isn't it...LOL.SweetCaroline wrote:Oops, sorry, missed the 'Posted by an Australian line'.taptap wrote:That was from someone who lives in Australia!SweetCaroline wrote: Posted by an Australian: "The first Sydney show appears to have sold out in one day. (I'm going). I saw Muse at the same venue in December and it took them months to sell it out."Wow, congratulations! (and get ready for a long flight!) |
Iron Butterfly 28.05.2014 17:05 |
taptap wrote:You "bet" he was advised and taking a page from their book? Has AL a thought in his head that is purely his own?SweetCaroline wrote: "Adam Lambert Takes On The Haters Promising Queen Tour Will Be One Hell Of A Show" http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/adam-lambert-takes-on-the-haters-promising-queen-tour-will-be-one-hell-of-a-show/story-e6frfn29-1226934223899"Stay home." LOLOL. Looks like Adam's taking a page from Brian and Roger's book. I'm betting he was advised specifically on this from those two so they were all in sync. Smart. Also interesting that they're discussing writing together. I imagine if they decide to do an album, they'll take a similar stance as they did originally - all members get writing credit for the songs. What a great learning experience for Adam if he gets to write with these legends. "You imagine" yes that's what you do plenty. If they do write together hopefully it will not be on any Queen release. |
SweetCaroline 28.05.2014 18:21 |
inu-liger wrote:I still have hopes of visiting NYC, but not Australia!SweetCaroline wrote: I wish it was me going to Australia -- I've always wanted to go there, but I don't foresee that happening during the rest of my lifetime! I can't even get to New York City!I've been to NYC three times. It's great! Wish I could actually live there, I feel so much more at home there than I do here in Edmonton :) |
taptap 28.05.2014 19:15 |
SweetCaroline wrote:inu-liger wrote:I still have hopes of visiting NYC, but not Australia!SweetCaroline wrote: I wish it was me going to Australia -- I've always wanted to go there, but I don't foresee that happening during the rest of my lifetime! I can't even get to New York City!I've been to NYC three times. It's great! Wish I could actually live there, I feel so much more at home there than I do here in Edmonton :) New Zealand is the place I'd really love to visit. A friend of mine used to work for a global accounting firm, and traveled with a team 8 months out of the year (and was off for the other 4). He spent some time in NZ and said it was the most gorgeous place he'd ever seen. He said you could go from ocean beaches to river-trout fishing in thirty minutes, and from the rivers to skiing in the mountains in thirty minutes more. Tremendous changes in topography and climate in no time at all. It sounds beautiful. |
Iron Butterfly 28.05.2014 21:04 |
taptap wrote:It sure does sound beautiful. I wish I could travel more. Dang the things that hold me back.SweetCaroline wrote:New Zealand is the place I'd really love to visit. A friend of mine used to work for a global accounting firm, and traveled with a team 8 months out of the year (and was off for the other 4). He spent some time in NZ and said it was the most gorgeous place he'd ever seen. He said you could go from ocean beaches to river-trout fishing in thirty minutes, and from the rivers to skiing in the mountains in thirty minutes more. Tremendous changes in topography and climate in no time at all. It sounds beautiful.inu-liger wrote:I still have hopes of visiting NYC, but not Australia!SweetCaroline wrote: I wish it was me going to Australia -- I've always wanted to go there, but I don't foresee that happening during the rest of my lifetime! I can't even get to New York City!I've been to NYC three times. It's great! Wish I could actually live there, I feel so much more at home there than I do here in Edmonton :) |
SweetCaroline 29.05.2014 16:48 |
After only one day of ticket sales: AUSTRALIA 08-22-14 Perth Arena Perth 15,500 05-29 $195 Only upper level/side of stage available 08-26-14 Allphones Arena Sydney 21,000 05-29 $179 Sold out first day 08-27-14 Allphones Arena Sydney 21,000 05-29 $179 Only side/back of stage available (added show) 08-29-14 Rod Laver Arena Melbourne 14,820 05-29 $199 Only upper level/side of stage tickets available 08-30-14 Rod Laver Arena Melbourne 14,820 05-29 $199 Only upper level/side of stage tickets available (added show) 09-01-14 Brisbane Entertainment Centre 13,500 05-29 $189 Only tickets left are side of stage view |
taptap 29.05.2014 17:15 |
SweetCaroline wrote: After only one day of ticket sales: AUSTRALIA 08-22-14 Perth Arena Perth 15,500 05-29 $195 Only upper level/side of stage available 08-26-14 Allphones Arena Sydney 21,000 05-29 $179 Sold out first day 08-27-14 Allphones Arena Sydney 21,000 05-29 $179 Only side/back of stage available (added show) 08-29-14 Rod Laver Arena Melbourne 14,820 05-29 $199 Only upper level/side of stage tickets available 08-30-14 Rod Laver Arena Melbourne 14,820 05-29 $199 Only upper level/side of stage tickets available (added show) 09-01-14 Brisbane Entertainment Centre 13,500 05-29 $189 Only tickets left are side of stage view With the QE playing in the UK in Sept. I wonder if QAL will plan a UK visit after that, maybe later in the fall? I really hope they play there, as it's their homebase and it's only fair to the UK fans. Of course they did Hammersmith, but that's a relatively small venue, and all three shows were in London. I do wonder if they'll add more shows, and how much time they have to play more dates, with the way things are selling out. |