| crazy duck 09.02.2014 16:56 |
Maylor keep banging on about "we are going to do this or that and we have johns approval" obviously we all know what the situation is between them but what do you think johns reaction would be if they decided to put a lid on the whole queen thing? Relief? Sad? Happy?. I guess as long as he is getting his money but surly he would benefit financially from maylor keeping queen in the forefront of peoples minds? You seriously get the impression that they are a real pain in johns ass though and he would love them to put the whole thing to rest. He realy was a no fred no queen man wasn't he! |
| the dude 1366 09.02.2014 23:25 |
I know this site has become a Brian bashing site, but Let's stop making s hero out of John. He won't even turn up for an award or do interviews. Yet he makes sure the accountants hear from him. |
| A Word In Your Ear 10.02.2014 02:25 |
I don't think John will care either way. He's in a different place right now, away from all the pressures & stress of showbiz. The money!!! I would think, John will not be short of a bob or two, so he'll be set for the rest of his life, so again, Whatever Roger & Brian decide to do with the Queen legacy, will have no effect at where John is at the moment, he's quite content. |
| Ivo-1976 10.02.2014 07:45 |
I hope John is happy and healthy. He never really wanted to be in the spotlights I guess. It all sort of happened to him. However, I would have loved to hear his side of the story in the "days of our lives" docu. But I guess he is enjoying life without the publicity, he can go shopping or have dinner anywhere without getting recognized. Reappearing on TV would be a bad thing from that point of view. I have mixed feelings about John. So maybe he quit at the right moment, but he also turned his back tot the fans. It's been 17 years since he left Queen in '97 and there hasn't even been an interview since that day. So many stories to tell, but nothing.... |
| brENsKi 10.02.2014 08:29 |
the dude 1366 wrote:I know this site has become a Brian bashing site, but Let's stop making s hero out of John. He won't even turn up for an award or do interviews. Yet he makes sure the accountants hear from him.what kind of statement is that^^^ ??? of course he will. AS WOULD YOU TOO...don't tell me that if you hadn't created something that gave you earnings for life, that you'd refuse it on principle that you had retired from work. people work all their lives and pay into pension schemes for their old age . John's work with queen provided for his old age (it WAS his pension scheme). and he's entitled to it now - without criticism or sarky comment. As regards the OP's post - they've done nothing under the queen umbrella since 95 that's impressed me at all. I do wait to hear each new project - but the wait invariably ends with the same abject disappointment. So for me, i'd not miss it if they closed the door on "new" queen projects. I don't think John cares either way. He's happy, retired and comfortable |
| EDWOOD 10.02.2014 10:33 |
To be honest all earnings from QP could cease immediately to John and he would still be set up for life. Isn't he worth (at least) £85 million? I think Brian and Roger are worth slightly more from songwriting royalties, etc but its still a pretty fair whack. I saw something recently where it showed what the top West End shows were making per week - I think one of the newer ones was currently the top grossing on about £600,000 per week but WWRY was only slightly behind (after 12 years running) making half a million a week! Now i'm sure all members of QP will see a nice little amount from just that and then when you add in royalties from music sales, etc - iTunes regularly has Queen songs, albums charting well in countries all over the world - I can imagine songwriting royalties just for 'Another One Bites The Dust' on an annual basis would make anyone of us a very nice income alone. Personally who knows what John really thinks? I doubt he is that bothered either way. It would be nice though if he could have attended even just one awards type show over the years. |
| Martin Packer 10.02.2014 10:35 |
We can't demand it of John but most people would be happy to be interviewed about their career - as long as it weren't controversial. And, apart from playing Sun City, John's isn't controversial. But then we're told how shy he is said to be. |
| brENsKi 10.02.2014 10:50 |
EDWOOD wrote: Personally who knows what John really thinks? I doubt he is that bothered either way. It would be nice though if he could have attended even just one awards type show over the years.again...why would it be nice? he retired from Queen. when HE was in the band - he regularly did interviews/award shows etc etc - he more than did his part. He's NOT in the band these days - so he doesn't attend |
| crazy duck 10.02.2014 12:46 |
I didn't intend for this to turn into one of those "I wish john would do this or that". Think what you like about him but the guy just wanted to retire and we godda respect that! I just wanted to know how he would feel if bri &rog called it a day! And basicly stopped encouraging people to increase his pension. |
| Negative Creep 10.02.2014 12:47 |
The fact that nothing worthwhile or decent has happened with the Queen brand since John jumped ship speaks volumes. To suggest John approves what they do with the brand is clearly stretching the truth, more like he's washed his hands with Brian and Roger/QPL. He dismissed the collaboration with Robbie Williams and that was in 2001 - Brians dragged the Queen brand into far worse areas since. Maybe John would have stuck around if Brian and Roger had shown interesting in being a creative entity again instead of capitalising on past works. Maybe Brian is just impossible to deal with for any amount of time! |
| Negative Creep 10.02.2014 12:49 |
crazy duck wrote: I just wanted to know how he would feel if bri &rog called it a day! And basicly stopped encouraging people to increase his pension.You'd need to stalk him like those weird Argentinian fans to find that out! |
| crazy duck 10.02.2014 15:10 |
Negative Creep wrote:crazy duck wrote: I just wanted to know how he would feel if bri &rog called it a day! And basicly stopped encouraging people to increase his pension.You'd need to stalk him like those weird Argentinian fans to find that out! Sorry meant to say, ijust wanted to know how YOU think he would feel if they called it a day:-) |
| philip storey 10.02.2014 15:46 |
I think that John never came to terms with Freddies death ,but i suppose most of us on Queenzone feel the same.I just hope John is not turning into a Howard Hughes character and has not started pissing into milk bottles ! He has certainly made a stack of money for one or two songs on each album, zero on the first two. |
| Jimmy Dean 10.02.2014 20:18 |
philip storey wrote: He has certainly made a stack of money for one or two songs on each album, zero on the first two.Actually, he makes money on royalties off the portion of the album he gets credit to. In addition to that he also gets royalties off global airplay of the songs he gets credit to. Given that he wrote Another One Bites The Dust, he probably makes quite hefty bag of cash on a weekly basis. I think John doesn't actually care what Brian and Roger do. He probably weighs the good and the bad evenly. In his point of view, he probably feels Brian and Roger have tarnished the Queen legacy by teaming up with other singers & setting up a musical. On the other hand, he continues to profit every time they do, in some way or the other. In my point of view, in the long run, a lot of these additional activities will not cast a negative, nor a positive, light on the legacy of the band. Elton John is a pretty good example of how this works... how many bad albums does he have? More than good. WAY more than good. Artistically, he shouldn't have any more credibility, but he'll always sell tickets, and no one will ever think any less of him. I use Elton John because we're all Queen fans and we've all made up our minds on whether Brian and Roger's continued contributions are relevant vs. irrelevant. Bottom line, the more they do, the more Queen fans they'll amass over time, the more records will be in those households which will get passed on from generation to generation. No harm in that, I say. And regardless, of what John thinks, he doesn't owe anyone an explanation. He made his contribution when it mattered. Everything else is just gravy, |
| The Real Wizard 10.02.2014 20:28 |
Ivo-1976 wrote: he also turned his back tot the fans.What does he owe the fans? Where does this sense of entitlement come from? He doesn't have an obligation to do anything other than what makes him happy, and it looks like he's doing precisely that. He chose to retire. He's earned it. He worked very hard for 25 years. |
| The Real Wizard 10.02.2014 20:34 |
Negative Creep wrote: The fact that nothing worthwhile or decent has happened with the Queen brand since John jumped ship speaks volumes.Successful tours with Paul Rodgers weren't worthwhile? That may be the best thing they've done in the last 15 years. Check out that Super Live In Japan DVD. Killer track listing, and definitely the QPR collaboration at its peak. |
| The Real Wizard 10.02.2014 20:35 |
Jimmy Dean wrote: I think John doesn't actually care what Brian and Roger do. He probably weighs the good and the bad evenly. In his point of view, he probably feels Brian and Roger have tarnished the Queen legacy by teaming up with other singers & setting up a musical. On the other hand, he continues to profit every time they do, in some way or the other.Exactly. Some people hold him as a saintly figure for leaving the band, but the bottom line is - he still accepts the cheques. If he didn't agree with what Brian and Roger were doing and refused to cash in on it, then one might refer to him as having some sort of "integrity." ... and also possibly stupidity, for refusing free money for great work he did 30 years ago. ;-) Big bands become brands. They're a business like any other, and Brian and Roger are very smart with theirs. Their lead singer died and they can't replace him, so they try out alternate avenues with their back catalogue. Had they sat on their arses for the past 15 years, Queen wouldn't be nearly as big as they are now. It may rustle a few feathers. Very few, in the grand scheme of things. Brian and Roger have worked their balls off to keep Queen's music in public consciousness. For every person who thinks they're "tarnishing the legacy" or whatever, there are a hundred who bought a Queen CD because the songs are great. |
| FreddieCat 10.02.2014 21:25 |
Brian threatened to put a bomb in John's undies if he showed up for the RRHOF induction. |
| Negative Creep 11.02.2014 07:12 |
Some people hold him as a saintly figure for leaving the band, but the bottom line is - he still accepts the cheques. If he didn't agree with what Brian and Roger were doing and refused to cash in on it, then one might refer to him as having some sort of "integrity." It may rustle a few feathers. Very few, in the grand scheme of things. Brian and Roger have worked their balls off to keep Queen's music in public consciousness. For every person who thinks they're "tarnishing the legacy" or whatever, there are a hundred who bought a Queen CD because the songs are great.I don't reckon anyone thinks John Deacon is saintly, more pointing out that he opted out, inadvertently or not, from all the crap that was to come. To suggest for him to have any integrity he would have to refuse payments for his work is hilarious, sorry. By accepting payment for his work, he isn't cashing in on fuck all. I 'm pretty certain you'd struggle to find anyone other than obsessives with anything positive to say about any of Brian and Roger's Queen+ activity. The Beatles and Stones brands are way bigger globally than Queen, neither have the drummer and guitarist dragging the brands into utter rubbish. Neither do Zeppelin, Hendrix or Pink Floyd. And no, I don't think the Rodgers collaboration was worthwhile - as a vocalist he is an acquired taste (mostly for the 60+) and the antithesis of Queen. Nothing stopping the pair from touring by themselves or together as something else, apart from ego. Their reluctance to do anything outside of the Queen brand by themselves just confirms that any creativity the pair had, died a long long time ago. Just look at Roger's solo album, took him years to put together but it's poor and fans were more interested in the boxset of music they already had. |
| Doga 11.02.2014 08:18 |
John Deacon don't owe nothing to the fans, if he wants to live out of the showbiz we can't argue with that. Neither Brian or Roger owe us nothing, after 25 years with Queen. Easily they could have retired to live the life. But they wanted to keep playing and i enjoyed the PR tours and the live releases of MK, Montreal and Budapest. Of course i will like if they stayed togheter making new music, instrumental albums a la Russian Circles. But they are not here to fullfill selfish wishes. |
| Negative Creep 11.02.2014 09:41 |
Doga wrote: Neither Brian or Roger owe us nothing, after 25 years with Queen. Easily they could have retired to live the life. But they wanted to keep playing and i enjoyed the PR tours and the live releases of MK, Montreal and Budapest.They don't have to fuck with the Queen brand for their own selfish ends (be it money or ego) to carry on playing. There's nothing stopping them from continuing with their solo careers or just working on archive releases to help preserve the legacy. That Brian and Roger refuse to accept that Queen don't exist any more is pretty tragic, and you have to question the motives of that. |
| crazy duck 11.02.2014 11:22 |
Negative Creep wrote:Doga wrote: Neither Brian or Roger owe us nothing, after 25 years with Queen. Easily they could have retired to live the life. But they wanted to keep playing and i enjoyed the PR tours and the live releases of MK, Montreal and Budapest.They don't have to fuck with the Queen brand for their own selfish ends (be it money or ego) to carry on playing. There's nothing stopping them from continuing with their solo careers or just working on archive releases to help preserve the legacy. That Brian and Roger refuse to accept that Queen don't exist any more is pretty tragic, and you have to question the motives of that. Don't think they can't accept it. Queen is a brand name that people know if they called themselves somthing else people just think who the hell is that and therefore will not attract as much attention. They worked bloody hard to make queen a household name that we all know. Think about acdc when bon scott died they didn't stop using acdc as a name. Did it do them any harm? |
| rubens 11.02.2014 12:04 |
I 'll probably never understand why people think if John was still around everthing would be different. He was never a dominat force. And that's a good thing, because Queen would became somekind of funk/soul band, releasing lots of Hot Space kind albuns. John was the guy who didn't want a guitar solo on back chat! He was a important member of the group and he is/was a great musician, but he was never responsible for the amazing quality Queen used to achieve. He was part of it, not the key element. |
| Fireplace 11.02.2014 15:48 |
rubens wrote: I 'll probably never understand why people think if John was still around everthing would be different. He was never a dominat force. And that's a good thing, because Queen would became somekind of funk/soul band, releasing lots of Hot Space kind albuns. John was the guy who didn't want a guitar solo on back chat! He was a important member of the group and he is/was a great musician, but he was never responsible for the amazing quality Queen used to achieve. He was part of it, not the key element.There was no single "key element" in Queen. Check Mr. Bad Guy if in doubt. |
| The Real Wizard 11.02.2014 16:11 |
^ stop being so accurate ;-) I think any sane person can agree that Queen were greater than the sum of its parts. |
| Jam Monkey 11.02.2014 16:34 |
The Real Wizard wrote: ^ stop being so accurate ;-) I think any sane person can agree that Queen were greater than the sum of its parts.Agreed. The combination of those four musicians produced something very special, and the band knew that. That's why they stayed together even through some tough times. I think Freddie once said that he couldn't spend more than an hour with Brian without wanting to hit him (or words to that effect). But he knew with Brian (and RT/JD) he could produce better music than on his own. |
| Doga 12.02.2014 14:07 |
Jam Monkey wrote: I think Freddie once said that he couldn't spend more than an hour with Brian without wanting to hit him (or words to that effect). .LOL |