| Queen fan 24.03.2013 18:36 |
Yes you read that right.. The scriptwriter who is writing the Freddie movie biopic actually says he thinks sacha baron Cohen did a good job in BORAT as an actor, and he actually describes cohens performance in BORAT as "very moving" link This has been another report from planet reality to the crazies down on planet earth now remember: link SNOW MEANS NO!!! |
| deleted user 24.03.2013 21:50 |
Just wondering if the Palestine, Arab bashing stuff has been brought up here. Palestine: link Arab bashing in general: link and his anti-semitism link So, question arises: since SBC is the driving force behind this movie, can he keep his ""brand of comedy"" in check? Freddie Merury story isn't really a comedy. Or maybe the movie will be somewhat of a comedy as it includes only up through 1985 Live Aid, omitting very serious parts of Freddie's life and work. |
| tomchristie22 25.03.2013 00:08 |
^ You do realise SBC is a Jew |
| TenementFunster91 25.03.2013 06:38 |
Yeah, he's a real disgrace, I can't believe how embarrassingly bad it's bound to turn out. |
| Pingfah 25.03.2013 10:19 |
tomchristie22 wrote: ^ You do realise SBC is a JewErm yeah, if anything the concern is that he is using the character to stereotype Kazakh people as being Anti-Semitic, not that he is anti-semitic himself. |
| deleted user 25.03.2013 10:40 |
tomchristie22 wrote: ^ You do realise SBC is a JewRead the article, please. link .Edited. |
| Holly2003 25.03.2013 14:29 |
SBC is hilarious. Some of you have no sense of humour, or you have your own poliical agenda. And some -- like the topic starter -- are just fruitcakes. |
| TenementFunster91 26.03.2013 12:54 |
Holly2003 wrote: SBC is hilarious. Some of you have no sense of humour, or you have your own poliical agenda. And some -- like the topic starter -- are just fruitcakes.SBC is lame but what does hilariousness have to do with anything unless you agree they should shove away all the difficulties with the implentation of Freddie Mercury's character in film and just go for the stereotypical cheesy flaming image in a cheap comedy. It won't focus predominantly on the musical career since he'd fail badly at imitating Freddie's distinct speech and people would laugh at his lip-synching and miming playing piano/keyboards while recording a song, so I guess that only leaves concerts from the attendants' perspective. And needless to say, there's no attempt to compellingly portray Freddie's enigmatic personal life and make the audience empathize with the behind the scene persona without a genuine screenwriter, director and cast (if they picked fucking Borat for the leading role, nevermind about the rest), so what gives? |
| Holly2003 26.03.2013 12:59 |
TenementFunster91 wrote:Holly2003 wrote: SBC is hilarious. Some of you have no sense of humour, or you have your own poliical agenda. And some -- like the topic starter -- are just fruitcakes.SBC is lame but what does hilariousness have to do with anything unless you agree they should shove away all the difficulties with the implentation of Freddie Mercury's character in film and just go for the stereotypical cheesy flaming image in a cheap comedy. It won't focus predominantly on the musical career since he'd fail badly at imitating Freddie's distinct speech and people would laugh at his lip-synching and miming playing piano/keyboards while recording a song, so I guess that only leaves concerts from the attendants' perspective. And needless to say, there's no attempt to compellingly portray Freddie's enigmatic personal life and make the audience empathize with the behind the scene persona without a genuine screenwriter, director and cast (if they picked fucking Borat for the leading role, nevermind about the rest), so what gives? Bearing in mind you no one has seen the film or read the script, all of that is bollocks. The topic starter is mentally ill and has started dozens of threads basically saying the same thing. I've always had my suspicions some of this anti-SBC stuff is based on his ethnicity/religion, and now it appears the cat is out of the bag. |
| Queen fan 26.03.2013 17:52 |
Holly2003 wrote:Must say well done how perceptive of you, what talent you have , how discerning you are, that you can judge a script as worthy without seeing it, ( i suggest you see ali to get an idea of the talent of the script writer or one of them, i was shocked to say the least)perceive excellence in perspective cast members while being aware of their track record, and can understand the human mind from a distance.TenementFunster91 wrote:Bearing in mind you no one has seen the film or read the script, all of that is bollocks. The topic starter is mentally ill and has started dozens of threads basically saying the same thing. I've always had my suspicions some of this anti-SBC stuff is based on his ethnicity/religion, and now it appears the cat is out of the bag.Holly2003 wrote: SBC is hilarious. Some of you have no sense of humour, or you have your own poliical agenda. And some -- like the topic starter -- are just fruitcakes.SBC is lame but what does hilariousness have to do with anything unless you agree they should shove away all the difficulties with the implentation of Freddie Mercury's character in film and just go for the stereotypical cheesy flaming image in a cheap comedy. It won't focus predominantly on the musical career since he'd fail badly at imitating Freddie's distinct speech and people would laugh at his lip-synching and miming playing piano/keyboards while recording a song, so I guess that only leaves concerts from the attendants' perspective. And needless to say, there's no attempt to compellingly portray Freddie's enigmatic personal life and make the audience empathize with the behind the scene persona without a genuine screenwriter, director and cast (if they picked fucking Borat for the leading role, nevermind about the rest), so what gives? Well done! And I did not mention religion, I am pro Israelis right to the land of Israel actually, although I am against all war as I am Christian and not catholic, (we have no doctrine justifying wars as they and muslims do, as does the rest of "The World".) As for the Arabs, they came from Jordan and multiplied on Israel's land now called the pa territory, and Jordan (which was named after the Jordan RIver where Jesus was baptised , which was part of Israel and so itself was Israel's land , as is most of the Middle East, actually. So no I am most certainly NOT what you desire to be. This is all about Freddie he and his life story being presented in a fitting way and giving him the consideration and excellence he deserves. I see you all sidestepped the main point which is the absurdity of the scriptwriter finding Sacha's performance in BORAT very emotionally moving. Tell me how could it be described as a moving performance!!!? Lol! And how can his Hugo performance be described as brave and challenging? Again such descriptions are asinine and seem to be mocking if you ask me, for they cannot be serious. Yet they truly and actually come from one of the movies scriptwriters. I find the whole thing amazing, this is just another to add to the list, along with .Sacha Cohen is a good actor and a great singer lol!!! The man Is funnier than sacha himself, totally hilarious., he should write comedy.seriously. I cannot stop laughing. I shall listen to either Joni Mitchell or Freddie's beautiful plaintive agonising cries to be saved from borat's river scene, to calm my mirth sober me and steel my resolve . |
| GratefulFan 26.03.2013 18:30 |
I don't want to tell a man what to do, but I think it's time you drop whatever else is going on in your life and focus a little more on this movie. |
| Holly2003 26.03.2013 18:52 |
^ lmao! |
| TenementFunster91 27.03.2013 04:35 |
It ultimately boils down to the lame root problem, a script tailor made for Borat in the lead role just can't be right. It should have been envisioned in the Godfather part II format as if Freddie could return and act as himself at any age and worry how troublesome it would be to fulfill such a groundbreaking film later instead of taking the easy way out. |
| Queen fan 27.03.2013 15:47 |
TenementFunster91 wrote: It ultimately boils down to the lame root problem, a script tailor made for Borat in the lead role just can't be right. It should have been envisioned in the Godfather part II format as if Freddie could return and act as himself at any age and worry how troublesome it would be to fulfill such a groundbreaking film later instead of taking the easy way out.That is basically my script. Freddie played by Cohen is retired and not living in London, he has been living in paradise with his former gardener, away from the limelight ,doing the odd appearance and producing on the party island of Ibiza , where he lives overlooking the med sea like a Olympic god. He has however been writing his memoirs and has been in talks to develop a movie about himself. He has 14 cats and a young Spanish butler who he hand picked from the Ibiza scene one day, struck by his gorgeous looks and his resemblance to himself in his younger years, a struggling actor who was serving tables at a very discreet club , he and jim now and again, ate at. tHe waiter can't speak a word of English, but Freddie, as well as employing him as his personal butler for the last two years, has been busy trying to train him. Eventually the time comes for Freddie to return to London to oversee the shooting of his biopic, his waiter accompanying him. Sacha Cohen plays Freddie, de Niro plays his lover who is left to look after the cats. the story of Freddie and queen is then told As the movies filming unfolds, the waiter who is the actor becoming Freddie in real time as the comedy making of - fades intermittently to the real bio story. The ending involves a launch party for the finished movie, with sacha and the real queen performing in London, as the movie ending shows queen triumphant at the end of their real live career intercut with the fantasy retired queen triumphant reforming for a one off golden event before the great and good. |
| Queen fan 27.03.2013 15:51 |
Queen fan wrote:I have kept this secret as far as needed.TenementFunster91 wrote: It ultimately boils down to the lame root problem, a script tailor made for Borat in the lead role just can't be right. It should have been envisioned in the Godfather part II format as if Freddie could return and act as himself at any age and worry how troublesome it would be to fulfill such a groundbreaking film later instead of taking the easy way out.That is basically my script. Freddie played by Cohen is retired and not living in London, he has been living in paradise with his former gardener, away from the limelight ,doing the odd appearance and producing on the party island of Ibiza , where he lives overlooking the med sea like a Olympic god. He has however been writing his memoirs and has been in talks to develop a movie about himself. He has 14 cats and a young Spanish butler who he hand picked from the Ibiza scene one day, struck by his gorgeous looks and his resemblance to himself in his younger years, a struggling actor who was serving tables at a very discreet club , he and jim now and again, ate at. tHe waiter can't speak a word of English, but Freddie, as well as employing him as his personal butler for the last two years, has been busy trying to train him. Eventually the time comes for Freddie to return to London to oversee the shooting of his biopic, his waiter accompanying him. Sacha Cohen plays Freddie, de Niro plays his lover who is left to look after the cats. the story of Freddie and queen is then told As the movies filming unfolds, the waiter who is the actor becoming Freddie in real time as the comedy making of - fades intermittently to the real bio story. The ending involves a launch party for the finished movie, with sacha and the real queen performing in London, as the movie ending shows queen triumphant at the end of their real live career intercut with the fantasy retired queen triumphant reforming for a one off golden event before the great and good. |
| TenementFunster91 27.03.2013 17:18 |
I think it's a bit off, but alternative reality is a great idea since that's really the only way to comprise the tragic unromanticized conclusion. The way I see it, the film would flow without any hint of the twist and in the end, the death scene would fade away to real life where Freddie and Jim Hutton share a private moment reminiscenting before the party. It turns out they're HIV positive but healthy with a very low viral load, the biographical film is based on Freddie's memoirs and he insisted on the ending to thoroughly transmit his emotions and as a reminder of the turbulent things he's overcome, the dread and regrets. He's finally at peace, the proceeding ending scene is light-hearted and surreal. It remains to the viewer's interpretation whether it was just dissociation in the last moment. Edit: link ' The night before he died of bronchial pneumonia, a statement was released in Mercury’s name revealing that he had Aids. Hutton claims that he didn’t compose it himself. “He couldn’t have done. He wasn’t capable. His manager, Jim Beach, released it. I don’t think he would have wanted it. He wanted his private life kept private.” As for the criticism that he should have been honest about about being gay and having Aids, Hutton says that Mercury’s reaction would have been ‘F*** them, it’s my business’.” Hutton was with Mercury as he died. “He was dosed on morphine and in Neverland. He wet himself. I knew that if he woke up and saw that there’d be blue murder so Peter and I changed his underwear and while I was putting his boxers on I knew he’d gone. I don’t know how. Joe got a mirror to check his breath and that was it. “I went into my bedroom and stopped a carriage clock Freddie had given to me: the time was 12 minutes to 7. I briefly switched off the lights on the trees in the garden — a true Irishman would have turned all the lights off in the house, but instinct told me not to because of the press outside." ' In my perspective, this is how it should end minus the detail about changing the underwear, but while Freddie was clinically dead when they checked on him, he was experiencing this last fantasy but that's not implied, it's left for the audience to speculate. |
| Queen fan 28.03.2013 04:11 |
The whole point of my fantasy retired Freddie is to avoid his death and instead reflect his immortality as a star, bringing him into the present and also give sacha baron Cohen an opportunity to play his ultra camp pisstake but not offend the real Freddie ,the scenario is a treasure trove opportunity for some very funny and in the end, triumphant majestic scenes .it also enables the movie to still be able to portray the real Freddie within the movie that is being made Within the movie in a non fictional way,so it can still be biographical to an extent, but safely at arms length from sacha, yet seemlessly safe from him. A plus also story wise, is it is a original way to tell a biographical story, instead of the usual tried and tested routes, and gives a myriad of different ways and opportunities to tell story. So it gives the whole thing an extra extra dimension beyond just a biopic, it is a biopic proper plus something even more magical . Death is not the answer , as Freddie's death has nothing to do with him and everything to do with us. and as the audience wants to see Freddie and consume his life so avidly it is not in their interest to look at his death because he is not there. I also envisioned the arrival of the child Mercury in a fantasy sequence He arrives on English shores in the. symbol of western american 50'spop culture as a child mercury in ,a coke bottle washed ashore from the seven seas to the sound of the fairground on the cliffs above and is found and spat out by a young roger Taylor who is with a group of his friends as they run down from the carnival to the beach in the blackness of a cornish night ,he scurries unseen behind the black English rocks like a creature of myth, all green skinned and dark-after being ejected thus....observing the strange English folk who are foreign to him, yet alluring is their music and their clothing and ways...as he slowly grows to normal size hidden from his concealed observation point stranger in stranger land ready to devour and conquer it, just like in the song...and Brighton rock comes to mind also... I kick rocks ass. |
| TenementFunster91 28.03.2013 07:25 |
I can see the dynamic, it's an interesting concept but I guess that means the pre-The Game or pre-NOTW years can't be included since it can't be all condensed in the limited length, the flashbacks have to be somehow connected with the current timeline, there can't be three actors (one for young Freddie, one for older Freddie with a transition period between them and the sexagenarian Freddie) with equal stage time and it really has to end with Live Aid since around that year Freddie was starting to get concerned about the prospect of having the disease. I mean, I know it's for the best to omit the mythical early years to give credibility since Freddie's larger than life character is virtually impossible to emulate in the formation of Queen - A Day at the Races period. A fan-made script and storyboard would be really cool as a form of fan fiction. |
| Queen fan 28.03.2013 13:59 |
TenementFunster91 wrote: I can see the dynamic, it's an interesting concept but I guess that means the pre-The Game or pre-NOTW years can't be included since it can't be all condensed in the limited length, the flashbacks have to be somehow connected with the current timeline, there can't be three actors (one for young Freddie, one for older Freddie with a transition period between them and the sexagenarian Freddie) with equal stage time and it really has to end with Live Aid since around that year Freddie was starting to get concerned about the prospect of having the disease. I mean, I know it's for the best to omit the mythical early years to give credibility since Freddie's larger than life character is virtually impossible to emulate in the formation of Queen - A Day at the Races period. A fan-made script and storyboard would be really cool as a form of fan fiction.You have forgotten my lord of the rings stipulation, three sections. The aids thing is unnecessary , I would end the actual biographical sections on the magic tours, ending of course at knebworth, the final scenes of this tour intermingled with the build up and execution of the movies launch reunion party, which as I said, will involve Sacha and the real queen performing, you will have a double climax, knebworth plus London . The three Freddie's you refer to, Apart from the child Freddie,which is very miminal but can involve the fantasy sequence and some island sections-which are treated. If not as fantasy all the way, as kind of dreamlike in conveyance. The actual biographical Freddie sections only needs Kapone, for the difference is so minminal in reality, the difference being a moustache and perhaps at the very end a slight paunch ness, but not much. The retired Freddie, Sacha. I have perfect cast for a lot of the retired section also. That covers everything, but everything will be in the various lord of the rings sections as needed, straight down the middle or in and out, depending on what is best. It is obvious the movie has to be an EPIC. Freddie would not want any less, would he? We have plenty of things to cover and use .We have London of course a recreation of 70's London,the suburbs of Feltham , also, Cornwall and perhaps Leicester , later the Queens silver jubilee should be fun, and look amazing, flags hanging from the massive city and there was snow in the pics i seen .NOTE this will be an amazing visual atmospheric to portray the times. Then also, we have have SOHO in the 1970's with Trident studios which should be great fun. And 1970's England In general . Roger's Stately Home in the Surrey countryside , in snow, a light covering is essential, can they hire the place? IMPORTANT NOTE: they need to get the BBC centre facade filmed now before they tear it down. Then , we go have to go abroad, many times , and sometimes stay there for sections, times, home bases for example , and the stories that take place in these different cities, and need to be told with characters in Freddie's life, New York and Munich being the main places and we have also the beauty of the Ibiza sections both night and day sea ,moon and sun, both in the main bio and later. Obviously touring has to part of the story ,which takes us all over the place. - USA , Australia, South America, Europe with lakes and Studios both night and day and eventually Eastern Europe etc etc. talking of locations, in due of the sad demise of Wembley Stadium, in the retired section with Sacha after he returns to London , he and the film crew and retired. Freddie's entourage, Freestone and his butler etc, along with the crew and director, head out to view the set in the Alameria desert, in southern Spain, where they have created a life size replica of the famous live aid stadium,. spectacular!!, lol.they all stay in a hotel and fly out in helicopters and it comes into view over the sand dumes like something out of close encounters when they find those ships in the sand. These things came to me in dreams , literally. THEY MUST USE THEM Free no strings no nothing. Go for it! It's all very well, but unless you see it, you won't see it, I am not here to claim but to visually frame or eventually shame, if stupidity doth reign. Reject my stupid dreams and vision and settle for yours, ok let it be so, but then we shall see, we shall contrast, in the end it shall be devastation, empty dust nothing but empty shallow pathetic mites against my towers or excellence. Go ahead punks make my day. |
| Queen fan 28.03.2013 16:47 |
They must also use the U.S sailors and servicemen fighting in the dance hall At queens first German gigs |
| TenementFunster91 28.03.2013 16:59 |
Queen fan wrote: The actual biographical Freddie sections only needs Kapone, for the difference is so minminal in reality, the difference being a moustache and perhaps at the very end a slight paunch ness, but not much.That's what I was refering to, it would be difficult for an actor to convincingly play Freddie Mercury from the age of 25 (picking the year '71 because John Deacon joined at that time, it's better to go back earlier to examine the character background) to 39 (Live Aid) or 40 (Magic Tour, I think Wembley would be more fitting for the finale), showing a deep insight into his integrity due to the change of appearance as well as personality. As authentic as theatrical makeup and bodybuilding could turn out, the audience might perceive it as negligent, hindering the movie to capture the magic. I was thinking about splitting the plot in two contrasting sections each spanning about ten years, from circa '68 to '77 (moderation and change of tone influenced by Punk and New Wave, News of the World release and international success) and from '81 (moving to Munich, new direction with Hot Space, tensions emerging) to '90 or '91. Maybe they could interface to emphasize certain aspects, being somehow logically connected. The first would ideally involve some singing or realistic dubbing (which in this case isn't easy at all either) in the songwriting/recording process and SBC would definitely be a miscast for the aggravating second segment I had in mind. |
| Queen fan 29.03.2013 04:57 |
TenementFunster91 wrote:Freddie never really looked old, like bowie he maintained a very youthful appearance especially at live aid where the world saw him. like I said it was only on the magic tour that perhaps a middle age paunch was slightly noticeable when he removed his shirt, but it was also high waist costume he was wearing, and it not an artistic must to copy that.Queen fan wrote: The actual biographical Freddie sections only needs Kapone, for the difference is so minminal in reality, the difference being a moustache and perhaps at the very end a slight paunch ness, but not much.That's what I was refering to, it would be difficult for an actor to convincingly play Freddie Mercury from the age of 25 (picking the year '71 because John Deacon joined at that time, it's better to go back earlier to examine the character background) to 39 (Live Aid) or 40 (Magic Tour, I think Wembley would be more fitting for the finale), showing a deep insight into his integrity due to the change of appearance as well as personality. As authentic as theatrical makeup and bodybuilding could turn out, the audience might perceive it as negligent, hindering the movie to capture the magic. I was thinking about splitting the plot in two contrasting sections each spanning about ten years, from circa '68 to '77 (moderation and change of tone influenced by Punk and New Wave, News of the World release and international success) and from '81 (moving to Munich, new direction with Hot Space, tensions emerging) to '90 or '91. Maybe they could interface to emphasize certain aspects, being somehow logically connected. The first would ideally involve some singing or realistic dubbing (which in this case isn't easy at all either) in the songwriting/recording process and SBC would definitely be a miscast for the aggravating second segment I had in mind. Kapone has the uncanny ability to look almost late teens and very mature late 20's, this age range look I think suites the basic purposes of the story that will be told. Especially if we have sacha playing the retired Freddie also. I have found Mary Austin, I plan to update my blog, she is another guided find and can act. She looks like her, I knew more things were to come or did I? And when I say looks like her, I mean you will see her and do a double take. You will never find Freddie's voice, what is the option ?only modern technology editing wise, state of the art, and an actor who can actually express facialy the actual emotions of face when signing from the heart the various emotions that span the human being and are in Freddie's songs and vocals and were expressed by his face and body as well as sung. You seen Freddie singing lap of the gods revisited at the 1975 hammersmith odean , his expression his face his mouth his teeth bare? You see that mouth? It was MaSSIVE Kapone can do that his mouth is the same I have a picture of kapone doing that in profile while singing in his band . And though his hair is shorter it is brought forward down and in style like Freddie's was, hanging down in poodle sort of look. The overall resemblance in expression and of the mouth size is spine tingling when You realise how it could be used in cinema with all the tools and magic utilised along with such a naturally similar building block as that. |
| Queen fan 08.04.2013 08:18 |
TenementFunster91 wrote:Why would that be difficult?Queen fan wrote: The actual biographical Freddie sections only needs Kapone, for the difference is so minminal in reality, the difference being a moustache and perhaps at the very end a slight paunch ness, but not much.That's what I was refering to, it would be difficult for an actor to convincingly play Freddie Mercury from the age of 25 (picking the year '71 That is exactly the reason I was looking for a younger Freddie. Jeremy Kapone is 23 years old, exactly the right age and has the uncanny ability to make himself look younger and maturer, so he could pass for 30 odd Freddie with a moustache also. |