| Mercuryking 06.03.2013 06:11 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPzSwZ9nDbM NOW let the attacks begin as usual :D |
| john bodega 06.03.2013 11:45 |
I'd rein in some of the sheep vibrato you've got going on there. But your pitch is a lot better than it used to be. |
| Mercuryking 06.03.2013 12:24 |
Yea i know, that is what i need the most training on really but i just dont want to sing flat notes, hate them haha.Here are a bunch of songs i recorded while driving with my cell phone just now. I recorded them all back to back so there will be hickups and flaws here an there :D Innuendo and Spread your wings really killed my throat :D https://soundcloud.com/sharifi_2/vincent-somebody-to-love-car https://soundcloud.com/sharifi_2/vincent-innuendo-car-mobile https://soundcloud.com/sharifi_2/vincent-these-are-the-days-car http://soundcloud.com/sharifi_2/vincent-spread-your-wings-car http://soundcloud.com/sharifi_2/vincent-is-this-the-world-car http://soundcloud.com/sharifi_2/vincent-we-are-the-champ-car http://soundcloud.com/sharifi_2/vincent-bijou-car-mobile-rec |
| john bodega 07.03.2013 01:10 |
"Innuendo and Spread your wings really killed my throat :D" Yeah you're doing something wrong in those. If singing were driving, you'd be in the wrong gear. Not knocking you or anything - if I tried those songs myself it'd be a wreck, but my point is that maybe it's a better idea not to try them. There's no shame in sticking to the more laid back stuff. |
| Mercuryking 07.03.2013 02:58 |
Yea but one thing to bear in mind also though is that after singing all these 7 songs back to back while driving and really trying to hit all the right notes, it totally fucks up your throat. Even if Freddie played those all live back to back i think his throat would be kinda killed too. In Innuendo and spread im kinda strained but so is Freddie too in those recordings but offcourse he is not as much and he is ALOOOOT more skilled and trained. But i believe that this is what you have to go through to really be able to sing these hard songs. You have to push an push your chords, thats what i believe Fred did. I don't think 70s Freddie could sing Innuendo as good as 90s Fred did. Or 70s Fred couldnt sing In my defense as 80s Fred did. It is all about pushing yourself enough until it is doable. I myself could before never sing any of these songs but with not giving up and exercising i can atleast somewhat sing them. In innuendo and spread, i sorta still hit the notes , can't say i don't... sure its not the best but its not the worst either. Plus cell phone recording and all , distorts it even more. I think Somebody to love and is this the world i did kinda good. |
| john bodega 07.03.2013 03:36 |
"Yea but one thing to bear in mind also though is that after singing all these 7 songs back to back while driving and really trying to hit all the right notes, it totally fucks up your throat" Mmmmm, but part of being a good singer is recognising when not to do shit like that. If making a good recording means you have to treat your voice really nicely and keep the abuse to a minimum, then that's what you've got to do. Vocal problems can pay off for some people (hi Bonnie Tyler) but really, you don't want to knowingly encourage them just because a favourite singer had nodes. Trust me, it's more likely to cause you headaches than it is to pay off in any meaningful or artistic way. |
| Mercuryking 07.03.2013 04:14 |
I get what you're saying and i understand it but im not afraid of damaging my voice. As long as it doesn't hurt ,physically hurt you, then i think it's a go. And as strained as i sound on Innuendo or Spread, it did not hurt. So my philosophy is that as long as it don't hurt, it improves you. Bonnie Tyler seems to really have damaged her voice in the way you described. But even Freddie had nodes and why did he get them? Cause he always pushed his voice all the time, he pushed it beyond what he was able to at that time and i think that is what made him that incredibly powerful singer that he was and is. Even on Innuendo , he pushed his voice beyond what he could sing and you hear that in the song but he manged to get it done. He also sounds strained on some parts in I Can't Live With You and in A winters tale (yea i know he was almost dead though) but still, what im saying is, you gotta push yourself all the time. Offcourse its gonna sound bad at first and offcourse you won't be good at it in the begining but that's what it is all about, the hard road to get to that place. I don't like to be an calm and relaxed singer, i want to be full of energi and be all over the place. I want to do it all and that's why i love Freddie and i always practice to him even though he is the hardest to practice to. |
| inu-liger 07.03.2013 16:23 |
"Cause he always pushed his voice all the time, he pushed it beyond what he was able to at that time and i think that is what made him that incredibly powerful singer that he was and i" Yes, but just because one technique or more worked for him doesn't automatically mean it will work for you. You need to move past your stubborn thick headed way of thinking and humble down to realize that not EVERY person shares even the same physical traits that make these vocal techniques possible. A lot of people out there are really not meant to sing! |
| john bodega 07.03.2013 23:57 |
"Offcourse its gonna sound bad at first and offcourse you won't be good at it in the begining but that's what it is all about, the hard road to get to that place" Yeah, but I mean - me following Usain Bolt's training regime won't make me as fast a runner as Usain Bolt. It'll probably just kill me. And as I've tried to infer, being a good singer is knowing what stuff to choose to sing in the first place. If you can deliver good or meaningful songs in a lower range, then that's worth pursuing. |
| Mercuryking 08.03.2013 02:55 |
Inu: Dude why am i stubborn for just believing what i want to believe? What if what i believe is true then? What if it would work? Should i just stop thinking that because you think so? or because you think it's foolish or because it might not work? Your behaviour is exactly what this world don't need, that typical behaviour that tries to bully people out from whatever they believe they can do. I say, as long as you can hit the note, you can improve hitting that note. As long as you can hit notes in general, then you can be a singer, cause a singer is about hitting notes with your voice no matter how it sounds. Would you call Ozzy Osbourne a great singer? Does he really sound good? Well he is a singer despite how he sounds. Zeb: I can get songs to sound good in lower ranges but im not satisfied with mediocre levels, i want as high as i can go, i want the best i can be and i won't settle for less. That is why i just don't do the easier songs. |
| john bodega 08.03.2013 07:28 |
Yeah, but that's not how it works with singing. If you do an excellent job of singing a song in a lower range (employing tastefulness, expression and subtlety) and then you do a shitty version of a higher song where your voice can't cope (where you're off key, out of control and well out of your current abilities) then going for the tougher song is of no benefit to you or anyone. You use the word 'mediocre' to describe more laid back songs, and that's just silly. Tim Buckley "Once I Was" will always be a better sung track than Axl Rose singing "We Will Rock You". The height of the notes being sung is meaningless if the performance just plain sucks dick. (PS. When I refer to a performance sucking dick, I'm talking about Axl Rose. I still can't believe there are people in the world who liked that shit). |
| Mercuryking 08.03.2013 09:02 |
But zeb,even in my singin on innuendo,its not really off key ,if ur honest. I hit the notes but not in the way i would have liked it yet but the notes are still there,and that means it can be improved upon.what im sayin is that i think i can eventually get it better if i dont give it up. Yea axl isnt the greatest singer but he still is a singer. We should never limit ourselves,thats what im tryin to say here. |
| john bodega 08.03.2013 21:38 |
"even in my singin on innuendo,its not really off key ,if ur honest" Well it is, but I suspect it's got more to do with the nature of the singing you're attempting than anything else. Your original post is much more accurate as far as pitch goes. |