jpgthfc 27.01.2013 17:14 |
As hard as it is, imagine if Queen were still together in the very late 80's, if Freddie didn't have any health issues and The Miracle/Innuendo were released as normal (even more difficult to imagine!). If Queen had decided to tour after The Miracle/Innuendo were released, which songs do you reckon they would have had on their setlist? Which ones would they have dropped? Would they have played stadiums or arenas? I can understand that these questions are very difficult to answer. My curiosity got the better of me- I'm interested to see what everyone thinks! Cheers |
matt z 27.01.2013 18:17 |
Just thought I'd point out this topic has come up several times.... several more related to hypothetical INNUENDO set lists as well One guy even had the absurdity to write down song times (minutes and seconds) and NAMES for hypothetical songs done if Freddie hadn't died. Here s a link to a topic just like this one .....it even directly quotes Another Miracle tour topic link |
waunakonor 27.01.2013 20:42 |
While we're taking a trip down memory lane with older topics, I'll put this one out there. link This is the one where I had remembered mattz joking about Freddie with 50 Cent or Eminem. Microwave has a particularly brilliant post. Speaking of which, does anyone kind of miss that guy? I know I do. That thread spawned this joke thread: link I just remember these particularly well because they were some of the first threads posted when I started being active here. Fun times. I don't have anything original to say, however. |
waunakonor 27.01.2013 20:59 |
I decided that I couldn't just leave you with some links and nothing else, so I'll actually try to write something because I have nothing going on right now. This is assuming that Freddie had no health problems and both albums were released as they are in this reality, which is extremely unlikely at best. Which songs on the setlist? Party/Khasshioggi's Ship (not even going to try to spell, that, fuckit) would make a cool album over for Miracle shows. Also, probably the four big hits from the album. Meanwhile, Friends Will Be Friends, Tear it Up and Hammer to Fall would be dropped in favor of Somebody to Love (again!) and It's a Hard Life. For the Innuendo tour, Headlong would be the show opener, and Innuendo and Ride the Wild Wind would be thrown in, with Show Must Go On would be put in as a show closer instead of WWRY and WWAC. Also, another nostalgic medley similar to the one from The Works tour would be thrown in. The Invisible Man and Is this the World We Created would be taken out, possibly a few more to make room for the medley. Perhaps some switches of setlists during the tour to make room for all the stuff they want to do. After that, they enter a creative slump and have some infighting problems but still travel around regularly, adding in a lot more fan-pleasing 70s tunes to create more of a balance with the hits. In the late 90s/early 2000s, they go back and release another album, with mixed results, and then put everything more that they've got into one more album that turns out surprisingly solid. Then, they disband after three decades working together and John runs into some rabbit hole. Roger and Brian do much the same thing they're doing now, and Freddie's trying a lot of new things which fans tend to give him crap for. |
TheWorks84 27.01.2013 23:24 |
I would say Somebody to love would have been brought back in to the setlists, as would have Killer Queen. And no i dont think the Show Must Go On would have been the closer NO WAY!, WWRY AND WATC would of remained the closers. As for the songs which would have been dropped, most of the Magic album songs, but i think AKOM itself would have remained in the setlist, HTF, break free and gaga would have remained, possible drop Under Pressure. I would say the newer songs added certainly would have been These are the days of our lives, Show must go on, Miracle, breathru, scandal, and possible Slightly mad. But u gotta remember some of the Miracle/innuendo songs may not have been written if freddie was not sick. |
The Real Wizard 28.01.2013 00:13 |
TheWorks84 wrote: But u gotta remember some of the Miracle/innuendo songs may not of been written if freddie was not sick.Exactly. I'd say most. So this thread, while fun, really is all so silly. Queen's/Freddie's post-1986 output would have been almost completely different had he not fallen ill. |
TheWorks84 28.01.2013 00:39 |
Yes this is all in good fun but as The Real Wizard said Freddie and Queens output would of been much much different during the later part of the 1980s, so who knows what could of been written. |
tomchristie22 28.01.2013 00:55 |
jpgthfc wrote: As hard as it is, imagine if Queen were still together in the very late 80'sThey were :P |
waunakonor 28.01.2013 08:11 |
The Real Wizard wrote:I know; that's why I put that little disclaimer at the beginning of my post. The reason why I wrote that was exactly for that reason: for fun.TheWorks84 wrote: But u gotta remember some of the Miracle/innuendo songs may not of been written if freddie was not sick.Exactly. I'd say most. So this thread, while fun, really is all so silly. Queen's/Freddie's post-1986 output would have been almost completely different had he not fallen ill. |
Queen1973 28.01.2013 11:56 |
Ok on this subject some guy made a fake live concert on youtube about the miracle/innuendo tours have a listen. link |
mooghead 28.01.2013 12:07 |
It was around the early 90's MTV started having great success with its 'unplugged' concerts. I think Queen would have done one and it would have been great. |
mooghead 28.01.2013 14:38 |
TheWorks84 wrote: I would say Somebody to love would of been brought back in to the setlists, as would of Killer Queen. And no i dont think the Show Must Go On would of been the closer NO WAY!, WWRY AND WATC would of remained the closers. As for the songs which would of been dropped, most of the Magic album songs, but i think AKOM itself would of remained in the setlist, HTF, break free and gaga would of remained, possible drop Under Pressure. I would say the newer songs added certainly would of been These are the days of our lives, Show must go on, Miracle, breathru, scandal, and possible Slightly mad. But u gotta remember some of the Miracle/innuendo songs may not of been written if freddie was not sick.Replace the word 'of' with 'have' and you will sound intelligent enough to make people listen to what you have to say. I know I sound like an arsehole but it's basic English. (Amongst the other atrocities) |
mooghead 28.01.2013 15:30 |
mooghead wrote: It was around the early 90's MTV started having great success with its 'unplugged' concerts. I think Queen would have done one and it would have been great.I think Queen would HAVE done one and it would HAVE been great |
Rick 28.01.2013 16:04 |
I used to have a dream about the Miracle tour, where they would perform on a custom made Miracle Express stage. With Party/Khashoggi's Ship to open the show. |
jpgthfc 28.01.2013 16:41 |
the miracle express stage design would be INCREDIBLE! |
TheWorks84 29.01.2013 01:10 |
mooghead wrote:You do sound like an arsehole : )TheWorks84 wrote: I would say Somebody to love would of been brought back in to the setlists, as would of Killer Queen. And no i dont think the Show Must Go On would of been the closer NO WAY!, WWRY AND WATC would of remained the closers. As for the songs which would of been dropped, most of the Magic album songs, but i think AKOM itself would of remained in the setlist, HTF, break free and gaga would of remained, possible drop Under Pressure. I would say the newer songs added certainly would of been These are the days of our lives, Show must go on, Miracle, breathru, scandal, and possible Slightly mad. But u gotta remember some of the Miracle/innuendo songs may not of been written if freddie was not sick.Replace the word 'of' with 'have' and you will sound intelligent enough to make people listen to what you have to say. I know I sound like an arsehole but it's basic English. (Amongst the other atrocities) |
The Real Wizard 29.01.2013 12:51 |
But the question is - is he right ? |
Holly2003 29.01.2013 13:10 |
On Facebook this morning I saw someone write "to of earned" instead of "to have earned" ... |
waunakonor 29.01.2013 16:28 |
TheWorks84 wrote: And no i dont think the Show Must Go On would of been the closer NO WAY!, WWRY AND WATC would of remained the closers.Why not? It's not like the songs are sacred or anything. Honestly, I think it's more of a crime to separate the two than to move them in the setlist, but Queen weren't above going and shoving that stupid Friends Will Be Friends right in between them. I don't think it would be out of the question to move WWRY + WAtC somewhere else, and then just completely boot Friends. Also, mooghead is kind of right. You could afford to fix some things. |
TheWorks84 29.01.2013 22:53 |
Hmm it must be my national slang, not saying u guys are wrong at all though. |
TheWorks84 29.01.2013 22:59 |
Btw i fixed my earlier post, happy bitches? |
tomchristie22 29.01.2013 23:27 |
It's definitely not specific to people of your language, whatever that may be. It's really ridiculous how many people I see who've always spoken English and still can't make such simple differentiations. |
TheWorks84 30.01.2013 00:17 |
Australian slang that is : ), of is used instead of have in some sentences, it may not be Correct to u people, but many people use it as a slang here. |
waunakonor 30.01.2013 13:38 |
English speakers everywhere do it , not just in Australia. It happens because "would've" and other similar songs sound like "would of." A lot of people do it, but that doesn't make it right. It's oh so wrong. |
TheWorks84 31.01.2013 02:40 |
waunakonor wrote: English speakers everywhere do it , not just in Australia. It happens because "would've" and other similar songs sound like "would of." A lot of people do it, but that doesn't make it right. It's oh so wrong.I never said it was right..........anyway lets get back to the topic. |
princetom 31.01.2013 10:53 |
i bet if there was a tour after innuendo it would have been called "return of the champions". a bit cheesy imho. but that would have been the thing. |
matt z 31.01.2013 19:31 |
Any English majors here? I really DO have a serious English question. Which is preferred: If it WEREN'T for Freddie's death there may have been another album Or If it WASN'T for ...yatta yatta. . And please explain WHY It has bothered me before |
TheWorks84 31.01.2013 22:54 |
Visit English language forums |
Vocal harmony 01.02.2013 04:50 |
Why would the Show Must Go On become the closer if they'd toured back than. It was played during the last few tours and was never played at the end. WWRY and WATC would seem to be the accepted close ring songs |
tomchristie22 01.02.2013 07:21 |
TheWorks84 wrote: Australian slang that is : ), of is used instead of have in some sentences, it may not be Correct to u people, but many people use it as a slang here.Oh lol, I am Australian. I don't think I'd call it slang here as much as a (frustratingly) common mistake. |
TheWorks84 01.02.2013 08:42 |
: ) |
The Fairy King 01.02.2013 09:26 |
Pointless speculations! Hypothetically: If Freddie hadn't contracted HIV, we don't know the band would be together post-AKOM. And even if they were, considering a chunk of the tracks are heavily influenced by the fact Freddie was dying, how can we include those tracks in these speculations? |
waunakonor 01.02.2013 13:31 |
The Fairy King wrote: Pointless speculations! Hypothetically: If Freddie hadn't contracted HIV, we don't know the band would be together post-AKOM. And even if they were, considering a chunk of the tracks are heavily influenced by the fact Freddie was dying, how can we include those tracks in these speculations?I already talked about that. As you said, these are called "speculations." If they interest you, they're fun to talk about. I'm aware that things would likely be a lot different had Freddie not died. So what? I think it's kind of fun/interesting. If you don't think so, you don't have to participate. As tomchristie has mentioned on several threads, it's called "Discussion" for a reason. It's not for people to bring up discussion topics so that other people with nothing better to do can shoot them down because they're stupid and pointless. |
The Fairy King 01.02.2013 22:10 |
waunakonor wrote:Really?The Fairy King wrote: Pointless speculations! Hypothetically: If Freddie hadn't contracted HIV, we don't know the band would be together post-AKOM. And even if they were, considering a chunk of the tracks are heavily influenced by the fact Freddie was dying, how can we include those tracks in these speculations?I already talked about that. As you said, these are called "speculations." If they interest you, they're fun to talk about. I'm aware that things would likely be a lot different had Freddie not died. So what? I think it's kind of fun/interesting. If you don't think so, you don't have to participate. As tomchristie has mentioned on several threads, it's called "Discussion" for a reason. It's not for people to bring up discussion topics so that other people with nothing better to do can shoot them down because they're stupid and pointless. |
brENsKi 03.02.2013 04:42 |
so what about if Freddie continued to take his meds - and went into remission? - to an extent where he managed to live a fit and healthy life? the next queen tour after that could be titled LIVE AIDS....no hold on? didn't that get taken somewhere else...round about 1985? but you could have a suitably titled setlist: LIVE AIDS - QUEEN ON TOUR 1995 dead on time doing all right keep yourself alive now i'm here another one bites the dust don't try suicide death on two legs hang on in there i can't live with you you take my breath away sheer heart attack all dead, all dead let me live my life has been saved save me staying power it's a hard life who wants to live forever the miracle show must go on |
waunakonor 04.02.2013 13:20 |
I would totally watch a setlist like that. Sounds amazing.
The Fairy King wrote:???waunakonor wrote:Really?The Fairy King wrote: Pointless speculations! Hypothetically: If Freddie hadn't contracted HIV, we don't know the band would be together post-AKOM. And even if they were, considering a chunk of the tracks are heavily influenced by the fact Freddie was dying, how can we include those tracks in these speculations?I already talked about that. As you said, these are called "speculations." If they interest you, they're fun to talk about. I'm aware that things would likely be a lot different had Freddie not died. So what? I think it's kind of fun/interesting. If you don't think so, you don't have to participate. As tomchristie has mentioned on several threads, it's called "Discussion" for a reason. It's not for people to bring up discussion topics so that other people with nothing better to do can shoot them down because they're stupid and pointless. Are you trying to make a point? Saying "Really?" doesn't tell me anything besides that you can't make a real argument by yourself. |
The Fairy King 06.02.2013 11:30 |
waunakonor wrote: I would totally watch a setlist like that. Sounds amazing.I was disappointed with the fact you're playing the "Discussion" card. Which seems more like a weakness after all the reasons i gave you. And i have to add it's very low to just "disrespect" instead of coming with arguments yourself.The Fairy King wrote:??? Are you trying to make a point? Saying "Really?" doesn't tell me anything besides that you can't make a real argument by yourself.waunakonor wrote:Really?The Fairy King wrote: Pointless speculations! Hypothetically: If Freddie hadn't contracted HIV, we don't know the band would be together post-AKOM. And even if they were, considering a chunk of the tracks are heavily influenced by the fact Freddie was dying, how can we include those tracks in these speculations?I already talked about that. As you said, these are called "speculations." If they interest you, they're fun to talk about. I'm aware that things would likely be a lot different had Freddie not died. So what? I think it's kind of fun/interesting. If you don't think so, you don't have to participate. As tomchristie has mentioned on several threads, it's called "Discussion" for a reason. It's not for people to bring up discussion topics so that other people with nothing better to do can shoot them down because they're stupid and pointless. You KNOW it's not fun after so many years of speculations, people come up with the same ridiculous lists. Honestly, tell me what it adds to this board without the usual "if you don't like it, don't participate." or " it's fun". |
brENsKi 06.02.2013 11:54 |
i didn't think my list was ridiculous. thought it had a pointed theme running thru it |
The Fairy King 06.02.2013 13:36 |
brENsKi wrote: i didn't think my list was ridiculous. thought it had a pointed theme running thru itYour list is the exception. |
GratefulFan 07.02.2013 16:09 |
The Fairy King wrote: I was disappointed with the fact you're playing the "Discussion" card. Which seems more like a weakness after all the reasons i gave you. And i have to add it's very low to just "disrespect" instead of coming with arguments yourself. You KNOW it's not fun after so many years of speculations, people come up with the same ridiculous lists. Honestly, tell me what it adds to this board without the usual "if you don't like it, don't participate." or " it's fun".How far would I have to go back to find you starting a discussion in General/Serious? Veterans crapping on newer fans and posters for recycling older discussions without themselves contributing the fabled new and interesting things isn't exactly a sustainable forum model. All this kind of useless complaint does is grind down everybody of any experience level. I really wish people would knock it off. It truly serves no positive purpose and is very destructive. Don't find something interesting? No problem. I hear you. Go be fascinating on some other topic. |
waunakonor 07.02.2013 16:39 |
When I first saw this topic, I was going to post a sarcastic sort of response basically saying that this has already been talked about before, and that's what I did. However, after thinking about it for a bit, I thought what if I didn't just go for a stupid cop-out answer and instead put a little thought into it? So I responded again with a somewhat more thoughtful response. I enjoyed thinking about it and discussing it. I don't understand how "It's fun," isn't an acceptable reason for a topic to exist. Seems perfectly reasonable to me. Perhaps that means it shouldn't be in "Serious Discussion," but, it really doesn't matter that much. Like I said, you can say something useful and helpful or you can just go away and not say anything at all. Either way, there's no harm done. |
The Fairy King 08.02.2013 04:33 |
GratefulFan wrote:Great response, but misses the point completely. First of all the topic has been done to death. Second, it's posted in "Serious Discussion".The Fairy King wrote: I was disappointed with the fact you're playing the "Discussion" card. Which seems more like a weakness after all the reasons i gave you. And i have to add it's very low to just "disrespect" instead of coming with arguments yourself. You KNOW it's not fun after so many years of speculations, people come up with the same ridiculous lists. Honestly, tell me what it adds to this board without the usual "if you don't like it, don't participate." or " it's fun".How far would I have to go back to find you starting a discussion in General/Serious? Veterans crapping on newer fans and posters for recycling older discussions without themselves contributing the fabled new and interesting things isn't exactly a sustainable forum model. All this kind of useless complaint does is grind down everybody of any experience level. I really wish people would knock it off. It truly serves no positive purpose and is very destructive. Don't find something interesting? No problem. I hear you. Go be fascinating on some other topic. Now I think a little criticism is fair in this case and besides what's wrong with starting another discussion about this kind of thread? Yes'! I'm playing the "this is a forum card"! Primary purpose of my bitching: I want to know why we should care for another hypothetical-post-86-tour topic, with people just posting (odd) setlists without any discussion (which i kinda started with my first post, but i digress). Secondary purpose: Fuck you! |
The Fairy King 08.02.2013 04:36 |
waunakonor wrote: When I first saw this topic, I was going to post a sarcastic sort of response basically saying that this has already been talked about before, and that's what I did. However, after thinking about it for a bit, I thought what if I didn't just go for a stupid cop-out answer and instead put a little thought into it? So I responded again with a somewhat more thoughtful response. I enjoyed thinking about it and discussing it. I don't understand how "It's fun," isn't an acceptable reason for a topic to exist. Seems perfectly reasonable to me. Perhaps that means it shouldn't be in "Serious Discussion," but, it really doesn't matter that much. Like I said, you can say something useful and helpful or you can just go away and not say anything at all. Either way, there's no harm done.I think the discussion of which songs wouldn't exist if Freddie wasn't dying is far more interesting and refreshing than another thread with random setlists. |
matt z 10.02.2013 04:28 |
That time will come. One day you'll see. When we can allllll be friends |
matt z 10.02.2013 04:53 |
The Fairy King wrote:Although it's SPECULATIVE. .. I think the miracle wouldn't exist. Nor "was it all worth itwaunakonor wrote: When I first saw this topic, I was going to post a sarcastic sort of response basically saying that this has already been talked about before, and that's what I did. However, after thinking about it for a bit, I thought what if I didn't just go for a stupid cop-out answer and instead put a little thought into it? So I responded again with a somewhat more thoughtful response. I enjoyed thinking about it and discussing it. I don't understand how "It's fun," isn't an acceptable reason for a topic to exist. Seems perfectly reasonable to me. Perhaps that means it shouldn't be in "Serious Discussion," but, it really doesn't matter that much. Like I said, you can say something useful and helpful or you can just go away and not say anything at all. Either way, there's no harm done.I think the discussion of which songs wouldn't exist if Freddie wasn't dying is far more interesting and refreshing than another thread with random setlists. Nor the hitman. Nor bijou (a favorite) Nor TATDOOL nor mother love obviously Possibly not even the show must go on Nor my life has been saved. The content of the songs probably wouldn't have occurred to a millionaire band without the hardships TMLWKY existed from Brian TATDOOL may have simply been a CROSS or solo track. Its a hard life may not have either However HANG ON IN THERE is in the vein of live anthem. May have been there same with much of the miracle (album) Despite what it was. I believe the band was confident something would happen to change the situation. Its sad but they were hopeful. Surprising that a track like mother love was even considered and approached by Freddie. I'm sure the camaraderie within the band allowed it to be considered. Can't imagine the grief Freddie must have felt contemplating those lines. It may have been his hopeful decision to not relent to it and have NEVER sang those last lines. All God's people. Despite it being like MAD THE SWINE probably wouldn't have been in their minds It was the nineties. They might have gone for some lenny kravitz "vintage" flavor or Freddie would have gone towards dance music again |
waunakonor 10.02.2013 13:26 |
matt z wrote: That time will come. One day you'll see. When we can allllll be friendsMaybe. matt z wrote: All God's people. Despite it being like MAD THE SWINE probably wouldn't have been in their mindsThat song was an outtake from Barcelona, so there's a good chance that that actually would have existed. Barcelona probably would have existed in either universe since Freddie was a fan of Caballe. |
matt z 10.02.2013 19:42 |
Probably. But my guess is the lyrical content was hardly more than "da dat dahs" until it was either written by mike Moran or done from bits during a brainstorm session |
Heavenite 11.02.2013 04:51 |
brENsKi wrote: so what about if Freddie continued to take his meds - and went into remission? - to an extent where he managed to live a fit and healthy life? the next queen tour after that could be titled LIVE AIDS....no hold on? didn't that get taken somewhere else...round about 1985? but you could have a suitably titled setlist: LIVE AIDS - QUEEN ON TOUR 1995 dead on time doing all right keep yourself alive now i'm here another one bites the dust don't try suicide death on two legs hang on in there i can't live with you you take my breath away sheer heart attack all dead, all dead let me live my life has been saved save me staying power it's a hard life who wants to live forever the miracle show must go onGreat post brENsKi! That would have totally rocked as a set list too! Of course it never would have happened that way though, because of the insistence of most rock bands to play just the hits and not much else. |
Heavenite 11.02.2013 04:52 |
matt z wrote: That time will come. One day you'll see. When we can allllll be friendsNow that WOULD be a Miracle Matt! |