mooghead 18.01.2013 17:06 |
Dirty, lying, cheating, arsehole bastard. The cancer should have taken him. A whole generation of kids let down by a cheat that still does not have it in him to say sorry. |
john bodega 19.01.2013 06:48 |
Oprah was really the perfect person to interview him - they're of similar quality of character. Having said that, I reckon he deserves to get his medals back. He worked harder than the rest of those cyclists - he had to, in order to keep all of that shit quiet. It takes a superhuman effort to be so deceitful! |
thomasquinn 32989 19.01.2013 10:01 |
A century ago, he would probably have shot himself. Not that I suggest he should do this, but it certainly puts things into perspective. |
matt z 19.01.2013 16:44 |
Kids let down? ?? U joking? ??! Where does ethics come into play in most competitive sports? REALISTICALLY ... how many people follow cycling anyways Of course he did an b interview for money he has to pay back to his former endorsers. Scumbag yes.. but isn't this common? I'm glad very few ppl I know give a crap about this guy Good point about disgraced athletes. Before to be caught cheating was to live in shame |
The Real Wizard 19.01.2013 22:11 |
Guess who called it again? link That's right - George Carlin. We're starting to see he was right about just about everything. |
pma 20.01.2013 05:00 |
What's the big idea here, a top athlete admits doping? He lied? Who cares. There are no clean top athletes, anyone gullible enough to believe, that someone like, for example, Usain Bolt is just a genetic phenomenon, well they might want to wake up and smell the errr... medical enhancements. Why are millions spent on monitoring athletes and testing their piss and blood, when we could face reality and let them inject whatever enhancements they want into their bodies. It's time to stop the nonsense, perhaps with monitored legal doping programs we could prevent sportsmen/women from damaging themselves due to using performance enhancing drugs, or having drugs administered by team physicians who lack proper knowledge about side-effects etc. To be fair, I'm sure there were clean cyclists on Tour de France when Armstrong won, just not anywhere near the top finishers. Just to point out, as a small example, here in Finland all top skiers (and many top endurance sports people) have been diagnosed with asthma. That means they can use asthma medication during competitions, since they have asthma, this naturally is performance enhancing. Now, isn't it a tad bit surprising that so many people with asthma have ended up becoming top players in endurance sports like cross-country skiing? This is not even doping, it's common policy. |
brENsKi 20.01.2013 05:22 |
i think the argument for "legalised doping" is at best, naive, at worst stupid. think about it, athlete A wants to get an edge over athlete B - they're both taking the same enhancement pills..so athlete A's Dr finds a much more powerful dose/cocktail that can be masked with a an agent that makes the illegal drug show up as only the "allowed drug" would. and better still, he develops a masking agent for the previous masking agent....then it all starts to get ridiculous. where would that end? PHYSICAL enhancements? imagine it... high/long jumpers with springs for lower-legs? javelin/discuss throwers with catapults for arms? pole vaulters with wings? runners with skates for feet? it'd be highly amusing and incredibly watchable...but the viewers would be the ones thinking they themselves are taking the drugs |
matt z 20.01.2013 06:53 |
I love that dead old fuck George Carlin. Last Words was a disappointing "memoir" though. .. definitely finished after death to its detriment (unlike MIH) Yeah he was right about a lot. As he got older he didn't censor much if himself and became more of a speaker lol. Rants out whatever he made ppl laugh at what's blatantly b out there or just denied. SNL did a funny sketch in the nineties ALL STEROID OLYMPICS. ... guy attempted to lift something like 2, 000 lbs and his arms tore from his sockets. .... Oud they wanna do it let em... lol To Carlin its all entertainment *raspberries* |
mooghead 20.01.2013 13:33 |
"REALISTICALLY ... how many people follow cycling anyways" Not many, I don't, but Lance Armstrong was exceptional, 7 times winner of the TdF plus a cancer diagnosis during his peak. No one ever dominated the sport like he did. He WAS an inspiration to a lot of people, not just cycling fans. |
matt z 20.01.2013 14:28 |
Ah guess you have a point. Csncer patients may be inspired by the drugs/performance enhancers he used? ;-) |
pma 20.01.2013 15:59 |
brENsKi wrote: i think the argument for "legalised doping" is at best, naive, at worst stupid. think about it, athlete A wants to get an edge over athlete B - they're both taking the same enhancement pills..so athlete A's Dr finds a much more powerful dose/cocktail that can be masked with a an agent that makes the illegal drug show up as only the "allowed drug" would. and better still, he develops a masking agent for the previous masking agent....then it all starts to get ridiculous.Naive? More like, realistic. If doping is allowed (that means all, not just some forms of it, besides that would be the current situation, as referred in the asthma medication example, proving that certain forms of performance enhancing drugs are "legal") and there is no testing whatsoever, why would anyone need to mask anything. Today, it all comes down to who can come up with the best combination of raw talent/genetics, training and timing of form, and not getting caught in testing. Legalization would only remove the final part of the equation. |
brENsKi 20.01.2013 19:11 |
pma wrote:brENsKi wrote: i think the argument for "legalised doping" is at best, naive, at worst stupid. think about it, athlete A wants to get an edge over athlete B - they're both taking the same enhancement pills..so athlete A's Dr finds a much more powerful dose/cocktail that can be masked with a an agent that makes the illegal drug show up as only the "allowed drug" would. and better still, he develops a masking agent for the previous masking agent....then it all starts to get ridiculous.Naive? More like, realistic. If doping is allowed (that means all, not just some forms of it, besides that would be the current situation, as referred in the asthma medication example, proving that certain forms of performance enhancing drugs are "legal") and there is no testing whatsoever, why would anyone need to mask anything. Today, it all comes down to who can come up with the best combination of raw talent/genetics, training and timing of form, and not getting caught in testing. Legalization would only remove the final part of the equation. |
GratefulFan 20.01.2013 22:25 |
Doping is about trying to gain an advantage. An advantage your competitors don't have, or one you think they already do. Not testing would change very little about the secretiveness or the risk taking in pursuit of more. It's an absurd suggestion that elite athletes should have to sign up for perpetual doping in order to pursue a career in sport in which they have any hope of being competitive. (!) Besides, we generally need less to be cynical about, not more. Terrible idea. As for Lance, I don't know what the media talking and scribbling heads expected from this interview that they didn't get. He was a ruthless competitor and a ruthless man and if he was capable of the necessary insight and empathy to be adequately remorseful at this stage none of what transpired would have happened in the first place. Armstrong has the disadvantage of utterly lacking the kind of charm that eventually earns other big public liars like Bill Clinton forgiveness. His face is hollow and thin and he has cold, emotionless eyes that invite very little connection. He's lost his foundation, his reputation, his achievements, his earning potential and on at least one front, his self respect. The tears when he was talking about his children were real. He will now steal years of their innocent and uncomplicated certainty that their father is a hero just because he is their father and he has drawn ugly adult clouds through their existence. When you fail that badly at fatherhood you should retreat to a cave for a bit and punch yourself in the face a few times, one thing at least it seems clear that he does understand. He'll be a different person in a year, or three, or five. This can't help but change him, but it is, as he said, a process. If he's capable, all the raw materials of experience to become a better man will be present. The interview I'm interested in is the one when the full weight of what's he's done settles into his bones over time. I feel for anybody fated to be framed by their worst decisions. I wish him well. |
john bodega 20.01.2013 22:27 |
*shrug* People whose bones are riddled with cancer and who have little Lance Armstrong shrines in their bedrooms - they have no reason to suddenly lose faith in the man. The thing about cancer is that you need a lot of drugs to overcome it. If there's one guy you can look to for an example of how to use drugs to attain a goal, it's surely Lance Armstrong. |
GratefulFan 20.01.2013 22:35 |
I thought his insight that the process of facing and overcoming 'the disease' (he almost never said cancer) had planted and fueled some of the later ruthlessness was interesting, whether fact or perception. |
GratefulFan 20.01.2013 22:50 |
pma wrote: What's the big idea here, a top athlete admits doping? He lied? Who cares.It's so much more than that. Many athletes have doped, and lied. They get caught, they get a suspension, and they resume their lives and careers when it's over. It's the lives and careers Lance Armstrong damaged through the ruthlessness of his counterattacks and the legal punishment and harassment he meted out to those who simply choose to speak the truth. It was the galling arrogance of the form his aggressive denials took, over and over again. It was the cynicism he bred standing in Paris in 2005 talking about feeling sorry for his critics who couldn't believe in miracles and happy endings. It was all of that, and more of that. Barf. |
thomasquinn 32989 21.01.2013 09:25 |
GratefulFan wrote:As far as I'm concerned, he ought to be sued and made to pay damages to all those he victimized with his criminal slander. You're spot on that it is this completely ruthless behaviour by Armstrong that is by far the worst part of this scandal.pma wrote: What's the big idea here, a top athlete admits doping? He lied? Who cares.It's so much more than that. Many athletes have doped, and lied. They get caught, they get a suspension, and they resume their lives and careers when it's over. It's the lives and careers Lance Armstrong damaged through the ruthlessness of his counterattacks and the legal punishment and harassment he meted out to those who simply choose to speak the truth. It was the galling arrogance of the form his aggressive denials took, over and over again. It was the cynicism he bred standing in Paris in 2005 talking about feeling sorry for his critics who couldn't believe in miracles and happy endings. It was all of that, and more of that. Barf. |
GratefulFan 21.01.2013 13:30 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: You're spot onI'd like to apologize to everybody for being wrong about Lance Armstrong. |
Holly2003 21.01.2013 13:33 |
lol |
Heavenite 22.01.2013 06:25 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:That's it! The Marion Jones form of accountability. That's what he deserves! A little time in a US State penitentiary. Plus a few of the lawsuits Thomas describes. His admission was barfable because the guy did only did what was in his interests. He didn't name anyone who gave him the stuff or anything like that, because then the sh*t would have really hit the fan!GratefulFan wrote:As far as I'm concerned, he ought to be sued and made to pay damages to all those he victimized with his criminal slander. You're spot on that it is this completely ruthless behaviour by Armstrong that is by far the worst part of this scandal.pma wrote: What's the big idea here, a top athlete admits doping? He lied? Who cares.It's so much more than that. Many athletes have doped, and lied. They get caught, they get a suspension, and they resume their lives and careers when it's over. It's the lives and careers Lance Armstrong damaged through the ruthlessness of his counterattacks and the legal punishment and harassment he meted out to those who simply choose to speak the truth. It was the galling arrogance of the form his aggressive denials took, over and over again. It was the cynicism he bred standing in Paris in 2005 talking about feeling sorry for his critics who couldn't believe in miracles and happy endings. It was all of that, and more of that. Barf. |