MrFunster 11.07.2012 05:35 |
Do we expect changes in the setlist. Maybe some changes, it's a memorable location for them... White queen...... ????? |
tomchristie22 11.07.2012 06:34 |
Not going to get my hopes up... In the case that they do play something different, there isn't really any one iconic song from the Hammersmith shows, which makes it hard to predict what they'd do. |
Fone Bone 11.07.2012 10:54 |
Possible surprises I'm In Love With My Car Last Horizon Mustapha (intro) Hammer To Fall Killer Queen No-One But You It's A Hard Life |
AdamMethos 11.07.2012 11:11 |
I would be surprised if they changed or added more than one song to the setlist. Not really interested in seeing AL do Killer Queen. I'm In Love With My Car would be great... and, of course, Innuendo. ;-) |
Fone Bone 11.07.2012 11:11 |
According to QOL See What A Fool I've Been was soundchecked O_O |
Fone Bone 11.07.2012 11:13 |
Yet another Brian song, of course ! |
Megine 11.07.2012 11:34 |
I'm In Love With My Car and Killer Queen. And I want to see they performing TMOTBQ, Long Away and The Miracle. |
dysan 11.07.2012 12:25 |
'See What A Fool I've Been was soundchecked' I think Brian plays that most soundchecks doesn't he? |
people on streets 11.07.2012 13:15 |
possible surprises: PAUL RODGERS JOHN DEACON |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 13:18 |
people on streets wrote: possible surprises: PAUL RODGERS JOHN DEACON ALL QUEEN FANS FALL MADLY IN LOVE WITH ADAM LAMBERT |
Megine 11.07.2012 13:22 |
people on streets wrote: possible surprises: PAUL RODGERS JOHN DEACONDon't you thik it's dreaming too much? |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 13:58 |
Sir Bob Geldof in attendance. |
GratefulFan 11.07.2012 14:07 |
He won't like Wednesdays. :P |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 14:23 |
It's Mondays he doesn't like. He'lll LOVE Wednesday! Getting ready to watch live stream. Lots of my Adam friends in attendance say they are surrounded by Queen fans. Will get a feel for their reactions. |
GratefulFan 11.07.2012 14:25 |
Never mind. I found one. But it's crappy quality. |
GratefulFan 11.07.2012 14:38 |
link is the one I have. |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 14:50 |
It is a crappy stream. Gonna wait for vids. |
Megine 11.07.2012 14:54 |
thank you, I was trying to find it. lol I should be studying for the tomorrow's test |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 15:11 |
Standing O for WWTLF |
GratefulFan 11.07.2012 15:14 |
Yeah, but was it spontaneous and simultaneous? Couldn't have been that great if they could stand up. |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 15:18 |
No. These are Queen fans we are talking about. The Adam fans have expired by now. |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 15:22 |
No TSMGO. Good. That ismthemone song I don't like Adam singing. |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 15:22 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: No TSMGO. Good. That is the one song I don't like Adam singing. |
GratefulFan 11.07.2012 15:22 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: No. These are Queen fans we are talking about. The Adam fans have expired by now.Well that explains why it's security smoking the afterglow cigarettes. |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 15:23 |
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GratefulFan 11.07.2012 15:25 |
Some silly woman during '39 on the feed chat: "where is Adam?I think sonds without Adam,its not a sond" |
Megine 11.07.2012 15:25 |
Did you guys understand what Brian said at the end of '39? |
Megine 11.07.2012 15:26 |
GratefulFan wrote: Some silly woman during '39 on the feed chat: "where is Adam?I think sonds without Adam,its not a sond"lol I was happy cause Adam wasn't on stage. |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 15:29 |
Yay! Elmo coat is back. Adam spied this coat at a Blonds fashion show. |
Compliance Queen1 11.07.2012 15:30 |
GratefulFan wrote: He won't like Wednesdays. :PLOL! Good One |
GratefulFan 11.07.2012 15:32 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: Yay! Elmo coat is back. Adam spied this coat at a Blonds fashion show.I have a wee squirrel issue in my yard. Well more properly in my eaves. Do you think he'd let them nest in it? There's only three. Nobody would ever know. Tell him I'll buy eleventy copies of Trespassing in every country in the world. |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 15:33 |
Glamberts LOVE Rufus! |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 15:34 |
I don't know, Grateful Fan. I'm still mourning the death of a Muppet. |
GratefulFan 11.07.2012 15:37 |
Oh for God sake. Don't be so dramatic. Adam's just off stage for a second while Brian plays Last Horizon. I'm sure he's fine. |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 15:39 |
Chuckle chuckle. |
GratefulFan 11.07.2012 15:40 |
:) |
GratefulFan 11.07.2012 15:46 |
Grow up Adam. "I Want to Break Free". You've already got Rodgers' gig. Leave his band alone. |
GratefulFan 11.07.2012 15:48 |
Steve walks warily down West 45th street. |
GratefulFan 11.07.2012 16:03 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: I don't know, Grateful Fan. I'm still mourning the death of a Muppet.Never mind. They all just died of that new J5 note in Somebody to Love. |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 16:10 |
Another standing O for STL. Guess the people who are there love his voice! |
GratefulFan 11.07.2012 16:11 |
No, they just hate squirrels. |
GratefulFan 11.07.2012 16:14 |
What's with the constant spotlight on Brian? I think he's afraid Adam is going to try to snog. |
GratefulFan 11.07.2012 16:16 |
Is there an egress problem at Hammersmith? They've left the stage and the crowd is clearly thrilled, but they're not leaving. |
GratefulFan 11.07.2012 16:17 |
Oh they're back. Adam looking for an eyelash. |
Vocal harmony 11.07.2012 16:24 |
GratefulFan, I always had you down as one of the more intelligent members of this forum, however, I can't help wondering why someone who has openly said that they do not agree with the current choice of singer and indeed the sound and ability of his voice would choose to invest so much time and sit through a live stream of a concert that. One , features that singer, and two, you are obviously not into anyway. |
GratefulFan 11.07.2012 16:25 |
Audio really muddy, but I think Adam just broke down and said he was a big disgrace. |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 16:26 |
Oh, leave Grateful Fan alone. She is doing research on squirrel habitats. |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 16:28 |
My Glambert friends in attendance said Adam was phenomenal and everyone in attendance seemed to thoroughly enjoy the show. |
GratefulFan 11.07.2012 16:28 |
Vocal harmony wrote: GratefulFan, I always had you down as one of the more intelligent members of this forum, however, I can't help wondering why someone who has openly said that they do not agree with the current choice of singer and indeed the sound and ability of his voice would choose to invest so much time and sit through a live stream of a concert that. One , features that singer, and two, you are obviously not into anyway.Stuff a sock in it. I'm at work, working, while having fun being silly. |
GratefulFan 11.07.2012 16:29 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: Oh, leave Grateful Fan alone. She is doing research on squirrel habitats.Thank you. I'm glad somebody understands the plight of both working women and squirrels. |
GratefulFan 11.07.2012 16:30 |
Adam completely drops his mask of sanity at the end of Champions. How the hell is Roger Taylor napping on the catwalk through this. |
Megine 11.07.2012 16:31 |
And the surprises were...? |
GratefulFan 11.07.2012 16:35 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: My Glambert friends in attendance said Adam was phenomenal and everyone in attendance seemed to thoroughly enjoy the show.It looked like a really great venue. It will be interesting to hear the clips when you can actually hear them. That was a freaking terrible feed! lol |
princetom 11.07.2012 16:38 |
darling, we're living in queenland...! no surprises allowed! |
Vocal harmony 11.07.2012 16:38 |
It's that same stupid thing that it's ok for one person to air an opinion but not ok for someone to question it or disagree. I was only asking. So if that is your answer, why don't you stuff a sock in it. In keeping with so many other posts, this is not a discussion forum just a insult platform. |
Srburns 11.07.2012 16:45 |
Hi any setlist yet? as usual I supose why take the risk to play any thing different |
Megine 11.07.2012 16:48 |
Srburns wrote: Hi any setlist yet? as usual I supose why take the risk to play any thing differentBrian sang TSMGO in a acoustic (and short)version |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 17:24 |
Tweet from a non-Glambert: (there are many more). I'm still in Awe! Queen were fucking incredible! Adam Lambert is a superstar! A fitting tribute to Freddie Mercury! You did him proud Adam! Perhaps it is the old Queen fans who need to have their hearing checked. |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 17:31 |
KI55andTELL Man next to me big queen fan never seen Adam b4 said he is amazing vocalist and it seems like he been with queen forever KI55andTELL He is massive Paul Rogers fan but said Adam is far better. Was talking b4 show and after he said I understand why u r such a fan now markgilroymusic I’m gonna have to pull myself together an write a review of the Queenbert gig…it might not be tonight! -------------------- "It is what it is!" |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 17:35 |
Ben Marshall @benmarshalluk I'm a recording engineer, producer and musician from Nottingham, UK and CEO of Direct Recording Services Ltd iPhone: 53.030651,-1.236119 · link Ben Marshall ?@benmarshalluk Didn't try to be Freddie! You don't need to try and be someone else when you're that good!! ?#adamlambert? ?#queen? 3m Ben Marshall ?@benmarshalluk ...but none of them come close to being as good as Adam Lambert was fronting Queen tonight!! ?#differentleague? 3m Ben Marshall ?@benmarshalluk I have through my work had the pleasure of Roger Daltry, Jon Bon Jovi, Paul Rodgers, Robbie Williams and many other great rock singers.... -------------------- |
Megine 11.07.2012 17:35 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: Tweet from a non-Glambert: (there are many more). I'm still in Awe! Queen were fucking incredible! Adam Lambert is a superstar! A fitting tribute to Freddie Mercury! You did him proud Adam! Perhaps it is the old Queen fans who need to have their hearing checked.Adam CAN sing,but I just think that some Queen's songs don't fit very well in his voice. I like when he sings SMGO, DSMN and some other songs, but when he sings WWRY, IWTBF, AOBTD, Bo Rhap, IWIA and some other songs it's a little... annoying. And his stage presence is weak. I respect him and I don't think that Roger and Brian did a bad choise at all, they are trying something new. I don't love it, but I think it's interesting. But people have different opinions, some people might not agree with me and I have to respect it. |
Holly2003 11.07.2012 17:40 |
GratefulFan wrote:someonewholikesadam wrote: My Glambert friends in attendance said Adam was phenomenal and everyone in attendance seemed to thoroughly enjoy the show.It looked like a really great venue. It will be interesting to hear the clips when you can actually hear them. That was a freaking terrible feed! lol Hammersmith Odeon's the best rock venue I've ever been to. Saw The Scorpions there back in the 90s and Coast to Coast almost tore the roof off. |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 17:43 |
It's just that most people think that AL is terrible, period. Even go so far as to call him a c***. Just wanted to point out that people in the music industry and many non-Glamberts admire his amazing talent and many *gasp* love him with Queen. But as you say, everyone is entitled to their opinion. |
Montreux 11.07.2012 17:47 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: KI55andTELL Man next to me big queen fan never seen Adam b4 said he is amazing vocalist and it seems like he been with queen forever KI55andTELL He is massive Paul Rogers fan but said Adam is far better. Was talking b4 show and after he said I understand why u r such a fan now markgilroymusic I’m gonna have to pull myself together an write a review of the Queenbert gig…it might not be tonight! -------------------- "It is what it is!"LOL |
GratefulFan 11.07.2012 17:58 |
Perez Hilton ?@PerezHilton I went to the Queen show in London with Adam Lambert tonight. Uhm. The lighting was really rad! #MissingFreddie |
Megine 11.07.2012 18:07 |
All we will get is arguments if we keep talking about AL. We're all Queen fans, but we DO have different opinons. And as I said before... we need to respect other people's opinion. Changing the subject... I'm really enjoying this "father vs son" drum solos. Do you guys like it? And I'm really happy that Brian played Last Horizon, I love that song. |
powermonkey 11.07.2012 18:15 |
Hallo all. First post and that. Just back from the Hammersmith and it was pretty damn intense. My ears are still a little fuzzy, but I taped the show tonight and was wondering what the policy is about sharing recordings? I understand there has been some talk of official releases, so (pending if it's listenable) am I OK to post on here? As I say, I'll have to check the recording when my hearing has settled, and it may take a day or two to make it sound all nice and whatnot. Cheers, kids x |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 19:02 |
WWTLF link |
someonewholikesadam 11.07.2012 19:21 |
STL. And I politely say Screw You All. I think he is splendid. Squirrels and all. Sounds like the audience liked him too. link |
Missreclusive 11.07.2012 19:47 |
Dammit |
cacatua 11.07.2012 20:56 |
Someonewholikesadam: STL. And I politely say Screw You All. I think he is splendid. Squirrels and all. Sounds like the audience liked him too. link It looks like a good time to me! Wish I could be there. :o) |
soxtalon 11.07.2012 21:08 |
Powermonkey - Share away in the announce forum :) Thank you! |
brunogorski 12.07.2012 01:32 |
Brian singing The Show Must Go On: link |
inu-liger 12.07.2012 01:52 |
powermonkey wrote: Hallo all. First post and that. Just back from the Hammersmith and it was pretty damn intense. My ears are still a little fuzzy, but I taped the show tonight and was wondering what the policy is about sharing recordings? I understand there has been some talk of official releases, so (pending if it's listenable) am I OK to post on here? As I say, I'll have to check the recording when my hearing has settled, and it may take a day or two to make it sound all nice and whatnot. Cheers, kids x All talk about "official releases" is at the moment just purely fan speculation. And unless I'm wrong it doesn't look like any of the Hammersmith shows are being professionally filmed for DVD/BD anyways. You're more than free to post your recording in the meantime :-) |
MrFunster 12.07.2012 02:39 |
the only thing we really want is some more demo's en special Queen recording in in so called Queen box. Roger mentioned this box wil be released some time. So I'm only waiting for this. All the other releases are less interesting. |
Fone Bone 12.07.2012 02:47 |
So the big surprise setlist-wise for the UK fans was to not play TSMGO Ouch |
powermonkey 12.07.2012 03:49 |
inu-liger wrote: All talk about "official releases" is at the moment just purely fan speculation. And unless I'm wrong it doesn't look like any of the Hammersmith shows are being professionally filmed for DVD/BD anyways.You're more than free to post your recording in the meantime :-)There were on-stage mics pointing to the crowd, so I'd hazard a guess that the show was taped. Hell, if they release their recording I'll buy that. I'll spend some time fiddling with the audio on my version and get it online asap :) |
cacatua 12.07.2012 06:32 |
First review I've seen. Very unkind to Brian and Roger :o( but quite impressed with Adam :o) link |
Daniel Nester 12.07.2012 08:54 |
Another review: link |
conejo29 12.07.2012 09:00 |
i think that they will release Hammersmith 2012 and 75 or 79 in a same Pack. |
someonewholikesadam 12.07.2012 09:21 |
Even the squirrels are simultaneously and spontaneously orgasming at this. What Adam and Freddie have that Martel and Rogers lack is sex appeal. link |
cacatua 12.07.2012 09:36 |
Daniel Nester: Another review: link Awww, that's a nice one. :o) |
Missreclusive 12.07.2012 10:38 |
Ugh. Keep advertizing him, it will someday brainwash me into liking him. |
tcc 12.07.2012 10:44 |
Adam seems to be getting better by singing at a lower voice. He has probably read a lot of the reviews and learnt from them constructively. I seem to hear a lot of backing vocals at the stage to make the singing sound fuller. You can feel that the audience wants the show to succeed. |
GratefulFan 12.07.2012 10:48 |
3 star out of 5 review. Obviously not an attentive student of Queen really, but about right nonetheless. link |
jeffuk49 12.07.2012 12:23 |
Hey still buzzing, I went as a last minute thing wasnt going to bother (glad I did), yeah he's no freddie, (I've been to every tour including solo's since 84)I thought Paul Rodgers done a ok job but he's the wrong person to front Queen he's too macho for the job, however AL well he ticks alot of the boxes he's camp and does have a good voice, maybe not perfect but he seems to understand how to put on a performance. Highlight was of course loml and akom for me, however AL nailed wwtlf. Good choice as far as I and the thousands who were there, bring on the olympics closing ceremony and hey perhaps a few more dates. See you all Saturday. oh met a lovely American lady lastnight who was over for these shows, would love to find out who she was as we got parted in the crowds when leaving. |
Marcos Napier 12.07.2012 12:32 |
Srburns wrote: Hi any setlist yet? as usual I supose why take the risk to play any thing differentThey played Innuendo 3 times, one for each available singer. Of course Adam's version was the best. |
oliverd05 12.07.2012 12:32 |
any1 know if theres a live stream like last night?? for tonights show |
Tarabostes 12.07.2012 12:45 |
Tarabostes I should have known, a rough stone becomes a diamond with hard work of polishing all the sides carefully. That seemed to have happened with the London concert. Some songs sounded better, Somebody To Love suits very well Lambert's style, a melange of dramatic and playful notes, improvisations based on funk/soul/rock elements. Dynamite! I've always been very impressed by Who Wants.... MV the one with a symphonic orchestra and a boy choir ,that's why I'm equally impressed with Adam's choice to perform it in an operatic key. Nothing in excess this time , the right dosage of pathos, emotions.(seems the infamous vibrato didn't bother anybody) and the best of best , he/they gave up on the final improvisation which made the finale more impressive. Brian let Adam shine in this song and in Another One.... I think these 3 performances gained in subtlety. Contrary to general opinion Radio ...is not a song suited to Adam. Creme de la creme, Bohemian.. um, not crazy about this kind of holograms, but I have to admit it was an extremely touching moment. Brian's powerful solo to reintroduce Adam was crazy. It would have been great if they had had professional back up singers, sometimes their voices didn't harmonize very well. . |
Wiley 12.07.2012 13:05 |
I am pleasantly surprised by Adam as he seems to have toned down a bit his vibrato and his stage antics. He hasn't kissed Brian... YET! I'm still not a fan of his Mickey Mouse voice (Thanks Barb!) when addressing the audience and he sounds a bit off in some songs but everything is excused when I hear him sing "Who Wants to Live Forever". It's a perfect fit for him, like "Fat Bottomed Girls" was for Mr. Rodgers. |
cacatua 12.07.2012 13:28 |
wiley: "I am pleasantly surprised by Adam as he seems to have toned down a bit his vibrato and his stage antics. He hasn't kissed Brian... YET!" Aw but wasn't it cute the way Brian laid his head back onto Adam's shoulder? (Was that in somebody To Love? I've lost track.) ;o) |
cacatua 12.07.2012 13:28 |
Who put all the crappy advertising in my post! ;o( |
Wiley 12.07.2012 16:42 |
Better not let Adam see the Live at the Bowl video or he would see Brian is into that kind of stuff, you know, with Freddie "eating guitar". |
Megine 12.07.2012 16:48 |
Wiley wrote: Better not let Adam see the Live at the Bowl video or he would see Brian is into that kind of stuff, you know, with Freddie "eating guitar".lol, Adam doing it would be very funny. |
Missreclusive 12.07.2012 16:50 |
GratefulFan wrote: 3 star out of 5 review. Obviously not an attentive student of Queen really, but about right nonetheless. linkAnd you know what I think...it seems to be a very unpopular opinion to dislike the choice Brian and Roger have made. Queen is gone and the closest I will ever come to hearing it live was QE. I wouldn't pay to see Brian and Roger + AL even if they come to the US. I've watched the vids and I just feel sad. No, I don't feel they should retire if it isn't what they want to do. I do feel they should leave their past music to a QE band ( as I witnessed they did it very well ) and move on to other things, writing new stuff under their own title. Said a million times, without Freddie and John, it will never be Queen. |
Daniel Nester 12.07.2012 18:55 |
We've gotten to the point where we're siding with critics who never really understood or liked Queen in the first place. Wow. Next thing you know we'll be quoting David Marsh. |
Matias Merçeauroix 12.07.2012 22:56 |
I wished I was there. |
winterspelt 13.07.2012 00:43 |
I dont care about Adam, as long as Im able to see the band live, I would be happy...! |
AdamMethos 13.07.2012 01:04 |
Does AL have a problem with ear monitors? He was constantly touching his ears in Kiev, so I thought there might be a problem with the monitors which accounted for the off singing. But I'm watching some Hammersmith vids now (where he sounds fine) and he's still doing it. It's gettin' distracting! However... it does make for a great drinking game for those who need to down a few in order to get through the AL parts of the concert. ;-) |
99jaystang 13.07.2012 01:05 |
me too , I would pay $ to hear Brian's guitar and his Vox's cranked up, and Roger's drum sound, any time. You never know when it will be the last time, so enjoy it. |
Tarabostes 13.07.2012 05:42 |
Tarabostes To DN Now, I do worry! I neglected all my commas, semicolons (and not only) as every idiot(only me) who decides to waste some time (only me) reading and "commenting" on forums.Suddenly, I felt a painful,pressing desire to check on all my previous posts. OMG(I hate abbreviations, but one just saved me) my topic, my prepositions...!!! If, if I post here in the future, I'll be checking, double checking, triple checking everything! |
plumrach 13.07.2012 05:44 |
Having watched all the youtube videos of the last oouple of nights, without dissing Adam too much, the nicest thing i can say is that his version of Who Wants to live forever was the best by a long way, the rest was average and nothing to get excited about |
Tarabostes 13.07.2012 05:45 |
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plumrach 13.07.2012 06:54 |
Just looked at some of the comments on youtube and there are a lot of Adam Lambert fans going bonkers over his apparantly amazing vocal skills and one even said he was the best vocalist ever, wtf He is an average singer at best |
unrauv1 13.07.2012 08:01 |
Yes the Glambert fans are zombies still trying to win American Idol. They would say he his the greatest singer ever even if he really sucked. He is ok, I just don't perfer his vocal style to each his own. Vibrato, Vibrato, Vibrato yuck!! |
Missreclusive 13.07.2012 08:44 |
AdamMethos wrote: Does AL have a problem with ear monitors? He was constantly touching his ears in Kiev, so I thought there might be a problem with the monitors which accounted for the off singing. But I'm watching some Hammersmith vids now (where he sounds fine) and he's still doing it. It's gettin' distracting! However... it does make for a great drinking game for those who need to down a few in order to get through the AL parts of the concert. ;-)Um yep, I noticed that every vid I watched and it is very distracting.Just another part of the visual assault. I did go watch his audition for AI again and Simon nailed it by saying he was "theatric". Funny how Freddie could pull that one off and not be annoying to me. Each to his own I spose. |
pidge123 13.07.2012 10:27 |
Went to the show thursday night, I thought they were amazing, and to be fair Adams voice is fantastic. Great show, superb lighting, great set list and I loved Brians guitar cam !!! Fireworks never seen before in a Queen show !!! Have seen all tours since 77 and this show blew me away. Freddies gone but if this is all we can get then I'm a happy man. To all the Adam bashers the crowd gave him a great reception and songs like WWTLF got a standing ovation. Nice touch was when Adam did a vocal bit with the crowd and Brian just stood there smiling...I think he was pleased. I was. |
Marknow 13.07.2012 10:54 |
Just back from Thursday's gig. What a fucking blast we had. The atmosphere was absolutely electric, my legs are sore from dancing. I was in the seating area right at the back, everybody in the balcony stood, cheered and danced for most of the show. I was standing on the armrest of my seat! Well done to the staff at the Apollo, they let people have fun, the balcony was mental. Adam Lambert was fantastic, great chemistry with Brian, Roger and the audience. He is not as good a singer as PR, but it was more of a Queen show than the +PR tour IMHO. He has a fantastic career ahead, I pray he will play live with Queen again. Would do it all again Saturday night if I could. |
brunogorski 13.07.2012 16:34 |
Brian playing and singing Somebody to Love! Acoustic version! Yesterday: link |
Missreclusive 13.07.2012 17:06 |
brunogorski wrote: Brian playing and singing Somebody to Love! Acoustic version! Yesterday: linkYes! I saw that and thot it was the best minutes of the tour. |
brunogorski 13.07.2012 18:36 |
Really cool! :) |
Hangman_96 13.07.2012 18:43 |
brunogorski wrote: Brian playing and singing Somebody to Love! Acoustic version! Yesterday: linkThat is truly amazing! |
AdamMethos 13.07.2012 19:01 |
brunogorski wrote: Brian playing and singing Somebody to Love! Acoustic version! Yesterday: linkThat was great! Aren't moments like that worth having AL bookend the concert? ;-) Actually, I like AL's voice fine in small doses. So the way the concert is structured -- where Brian and Roger do a mini-set in the middle, just when I'm starting to tire of AL's voice -- really works for me. |
Man from Zanzibar 13.07.2012 21:11 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: Even the squirrels are simultaneously and spontaneously orgasming at this. What Adam and Freddie have that Martel and Rogers lack is sex appeal. link"Sex appeal" doesn't automatically gives you strong vocals and appropriate singing style. I have nothing against Lambert on his solo work, but for Queen songs, hah nope. I pick boring unsexy Martel. |
Sheer Brass Neck 13.07.2012 22:15 |
Fabulous. A fraction of AL's range, a ton more honesty and emotion. |
cmsdrums 14.07.2012 03:04 |
I went Thursday and my observations are: Lambert was better than I'd expected, and the earlier YouTube stuff showed. Some really good (WWTLF), and some that he wasn't so great on (Radio Ga Ga). It has worked for this, but I hope nothing further after - whilst he has the essential range for Queen, his voice is too thin in general to front a rock band, and whether his fans like it or not, his tone, style, stage presence and delivery belong 100% in musical theatre. Him and Kerry Ellis should do a duet! The lack of a second guitar was not noticeable, and actually seemed to give Brian more freedom- he was even putting in little trills, fills and 'fiddly' bits from the records that he hasn't bothered with before. Highlight for me was an almost impromptu Somebody To Love acoustically by Brian before Love of my Life, in which the crowd sang the 'at the end of the day' harmony backing vocal in verse 2 which seemed to really hit Brian and he stopped singing and seemed to genuinely well up - really nice moment. I am the biggest RT fan, do what I'm about to say saddens me, but I can't see many more shows in the future as Roger simply diesnt seem fit enough to do it now. At Brixton in 2005 I was actually taken with how powerful his playing still was, then in 2008 I noticed a small decline, but this time it was very noticeable, to the detriment of the show. He doesn't hit his snare now bur more just places the stick on it, and has copped out of playing quite a few of the key fills in some songs. The drum sound improved noticeably when Rufus was playing, and my thought was that the front of house sound guy needed to sort himself out because when Roger was playing the snare and kick were barely audible at times due to Roger's light playing, and so should have had the levels turned up. Noticeable rhat Roger didnt even play Tie Your Mother Down - Rufus did. Also eveident that from mid way the show was very much driven by Brian energy and performance wise. The only real downer of the gig, and nothing to do with Lambert. Lights were superb! Live Killers era red and green moving banks of lights, and really reminiscent of a Queen show. The had smoke/steam jets, flames, pyros etc, but all complemented the show and weren't overused. Again I can't praise the lights highly enough. There was a main film camera at the back behind the mixing desk, and a couple on stage and possibly one in the pit at the front, but none on the balcony that I could see, which would be usual for a filmed gig. However, the onstage ones seemed to be on the go all the time and not just when they were being used to project onto the screens (which again were very good), so some stuff was almost certainly filmed, if only for the archives. They may see what they get from all three nights and edit together into a releasable edit. Hope this helps give some further info on a few points. Cheers |
Holly2003 14.07.2012 05:42 |
Nice review cmsdrums. It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if Roger stopped playing drums and took over main vocal duties. Lambert really nails WWTLF, but -- like Paul Rodgers before him -- his voice isn't suited to many other Queen songs. And the moment you mentioned with Brian singing STL is on Youtubeand it is indeed emotional. He seemed surprised at first then touched. wow. Maybe moments like this might encourage him to do more live stuff, hopefully without Lambert. Then again, he seems to begin tours full of enthusiasm and then gets very jaded. He's getting on a bit too. And there's always the call of the badgers to draw him back to the Soapbox ... |
Tarabostes 14.07.2012 06:19 |
Tarabostes I was all ears to listening and re-listening to my favs., and I didn't pay attention to other gems, the intro or I Want It All. Darkness, then the flickering, voices singing in perfect harmony behind the "curtain" , Adam adopting one of his famous postures and the craziness begins. With Seven Seas..., Keep Yourself.. one of the most difficult songs to sing We Will... a fast version , an avalanche of rhythm and energy, all announce that the show goes on and it will be different. Great intro! I Want...is one of the most rock-ish songs in Queen repertoire, and it is sung/played in the most rock-ish way. I know it is trendy to dig at the base of the statues, to try to demolish legends , but Brian and Roger sounded perfect, powerful as usual, and to haters' regrets Adam helped them in their endeavour. |
Vocal harmony 14.07.2012 08:56 |
The Thursday show was amazing, none of the footage so far has really captured how good they are. Roger and Brian seem to be more at home with Adam Lambert than they were with Paul Rodgers, the show felt more like a Queen show. Maybe it's down to the setlist, the lighting who knows. When the news of these shows first broke I was unsure, but remained open minded. Seing the footage from Keiv I wasn't so sure, but having seen the show on Thursday night I am more than happy. Yes Adams voice doesn't suit everything, but Paul Rodgers didn't either. Queens songs are so wide ranging in style, because of Freddies vocal abilities, that I don't think any one could hope to match up to him. Adam Lambert however does have range and a certain showmanship that was part of what Queen were about. He also connected with the audience really well which added to the atmosphere, which is something not very apparent on any YouTube video. The sound and lighting were amazing, the lighting was much better than the Q+PR tours and looked more Queen like. The audience were into it too, people who were obvious Queen fans, not just Lambert fans. |
Sheer Brass Neck 15.07.2012 09:28 |
Tarabostes wrote: I know it is trendy to dig at the base of the statues, to try to demolish legends , but Brian and Roger sounded perfect, powerful as usual, and to haters' regrets Adam helped them in their endeavour. That's an interesting and thoughtful comment Tarabostes. It would appear that a lot of QZ'ers and people in general take delight in cutting others down to size. As it pertains to what is left of Queen, some people are adamant Queen expired in 1991. Some have no issue with continuing to keep the music alive, while others are ambivalent about it, but don't want it with certain people involved. None of us are right, as it is Brian and Roger's right to do what they want. But, if you didn't have the opportunity to see Queen when they were on form, then you'd have no idea of the quality difference. So your opinion of Roger sounding perfect may not jive with a LOT of the people here who have commented on how Roger's playing is pretty substandard. If it's your first time hearing/seeing Brian's solo live, then you'd be blown away. For people who heard it 37 years ago and have heard it for the millionth time, where's the excitement and what's the point of doing what's been done before, and better? |
Tarabostes 16.07.2012 03:29 |
Tarabostes Better? It's so relative, obviously it has different meanings for the two of us. Of course, for you, an old fan, who was lucky enough to see/listen to their great songs live , better means Brian playing with more energy, Roger juggling on drums with more dexterity. For me, an unlucky enough fan , who could only listen to their albums or watch their MVs (and this only after '89) , this apparent disadvantage has turned into an advantage:I am not addicted to old versions, I don't keep an accurate time , the minute when Brian used to play a solo in one song or another. For me better means different. To see and hear mature , hirsute but rejuvenated Brian and Roger is pure joy, why should I spoil it comparing, for example, Who Wants... performed by them and AL with the MV? Both are great. To Sheer Brass Neck |
plumrach 16.07.2012 04:59 |
I would love to see Roger doing lead vocals on anything related to Queen, he is quite capable and Rufus is pretty good on the drums, so maybe if they want to do something in the future go with that rather than guest singers |
Vocal harmony 16.07.2012 10:11 |
The most criticism towards Adam Lambert seems to be coming from people who haven't been to one of the shows. The YouTube footage doesn't tell half the story. The atmosphere and Lamberts ability to carry the show was unquestioned by most of the people who bought tickets. The shows felt more complete and "Queen" like than the Paul Rodgers tours. In my mind seeing some of the footage I thought it questionable, but standing in the audience was a whole different ball game If you want the argument to carry weight, at least do it from experience rather than sitting with a lap top and a cup of coffee. |
The Real Wizard 16.07.2012 10:23 |
But it's so easy to win an argument when you aren't armed with frivolous things like "evidence" .. |
Holly2003 16.07.2012 11:07 |
A bit of a misleading argument really as most concerts sounds good when you're at them. Even The Pogues sounded good when I saw them and they're shite. I saw Queen + PR live and it was excellent but Return of the Champions demonstrated that Rodgers' voice isn't suitable for many Queen songs (and a poor setlist of hits didn't help). I've no doubt most at Queen + Lambert enjoyed themeselves. However, if there's a CD or DVD release I suspect those who went to the shows will be surprised how different it sounds, and not just because it's been touched up. |
DLCVinnuendo 16.07.2012 11:28 |
well, few surprises in hammersmith, we wait for new releases soon, especially hammer 75 and 79, no hammer 12 queen productions!!!!! |
someonewholikesadam 16.07.2012 12:06 |
I think you are wrong Holly. I sat thru many "acts" waiting for Adam to perform and have been to concerts where other artists perform . They don't always sound live. |
someonewholikesadam 16.07.2012 12:07 |
It almost sounds like Holly refuses to admit that maybe a large number of people really like Adam with Queen. |
Holly2003 16.07.2012 12:17 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: It almost sounds like Holly refuses to admit that maybe a large number of people really like Adam with Queen. Err... no. I said beforehand that most people who went would probably enjoy it. |
GratefulFan 16.07.2012 12:17 |
The Real Wizard wrote: But it's so easy to win an argument when you aren't armed with frivolous things like "evidence" ..Aren't you kind of the last guy that should be seeming to devalue the information contained in recorded performances, and their worth in critical assessment? |
someonewholikesadam 16.07.2012 13:09 |
Holly2003 wrote: A bit of a misleading argument really as most concerts sounds good when you're at them. Even The Pogues sounded good when I saw them and they're shite. I saw Queen + PR live and it was excellent but Return of the Champions demonstrated that Rodgers' voice isn't suitable for many Queen songs (and a poor setlist of hits didn't help). I've no doubt most at Queen + Lambert enjoyed themeselves. However, if there's a CD or DVD release I suspect those who went to the shows will be surprised how different it sounds, and not just because it's been touched up.Doesn't sound like from this post, Holly, but maybe I misunderstood the intent of it. |
john bodega 16.07.2012 13:35 |
"The most criticism towards Adam Lambert seems to be coming from people who haven't been to one of the shows" Aside from obvious stuff like crowd hysteria, I actually believe that listening to music at a proper volume excites different parts of your hearing than it does when you're just at home. When I saw The Who in 2009, Roger literally sounded 20 years younger than he did when I got the tape home and had a sit through it. I don't think I was delusional; I just think the volume distorts things a little. It's why I'm addicted to loud headphone use; which I'm having to give up because of my tinnitus. Having said all of that, it's very likely that someone who goes to a Q+AL show will have a different impression of how he sounds. And live music is (no matter how dodgy) almost always a worthwhile experience if you just go there to enjoy it. None of this accounts for his numerous fuck-ups, bad choices or goofiness though. I still have the faintest hope that I'll one day hear Brian playing without some worthless shmuck gumming up the airwaves, but I doubt it very much. |
john bodega 16.07.2012 13:41 |
link Sounds amazing! |
cacatua 16.07.2012 13:46 |
Some reviews at ticketmaster from people who were there: link |
cacatua 16.07.2012 14:00 |
The very last one seems to think he/she saw Paul Rodgers there . :oD Or was that slyly intentional? |
GratefulFan 16.07.2012 14:05 |
cacatua wrote: The very last one seems to think he/she saw Paul Rodgers there . :oD Or was that slyly intentional?Was an old review, dated a couple of years ago. They must run their threads by artist, and not by a specific event. |
Holly2003 16.07.2012 14:16 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "The most criticism towards Adam Lambert seems to be coming from people who haven't been to one of the shows" Aside from obvious stuff like crowd hysteria, I actually believe that listening to music at a proper volume excites different parts of your hearing than it does when you're just at home. When I saw The Who in 2009, Roger literally sounded 20 years younger than he did when I got the tape home and had a sit through it. I don't think I was delusional; I just think the volume distorts things a little. It's why I'm addicted to loud headphone use; which I'm having to give up because of my tinnitus. Having said all of that, it's very likely that someone who goes to a Q+AL show will have a different impression of how he sounds. And live music is (no matter how dodgy) almost always a worthwhile experience if you just go there to enjoy it. None of this accounts for his numerous fuck-ups, bad choices or goofiness though. I still have the faintest hope that I'll one day hear Brian playing without some worthless shmuck gumming up the airwaves, but I doubt it very much. To give some concrete examples, back in the 1990s I saw The Cult at Wembley Arena and The Scorpions at Hammersmith, and both concerts were great. Ian Astbury's vocals were clear and in-tune the whole night and it was a really rockin' show. At Hammersmith, Coast to Coast by The Scorpions almost lifted the roof off and the guitars sounded awesome all night. The atmosphere at both shows was great, but at Hammersmith it was something really special and that's partly because Hammersmith is an awesome venue. A few years ago I acquired bootlegs of both shows, which I listened to exactly once. The shows are still good but I can hear the wrong notes, mistakes, timing errors etc. And of course the atmosphere isn't there -- all the things that make concerts special are missing when you hear them in the cold light of day. Even on a smaller scale it's exactly the same for me: I used to go to a r&b show once a month in a small club. The band were unknowns but they put on a hell of a show. I kept thinking "how are these guys not famous?" And then of course I bought a cassette of their live show and when I listened to it later it didn't capture anything special. The vocalist didn't sound quite as good; the horns were okay, but didn't have the magic that they did when I was actually at the show. In short, they weren't that special. It was the atmosphere in a good venue that made them sound so great. I can only really count on the fingers of one hand the concerts I didn't like on the night -- Gary Moore, Kiss, Dave Gilmour (the last one not because he was bad but because I wasn't mature enough back in my late teens to appreciate what a fantastic musician he is). |
GratefulFan 16.07.2012 14:36 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: Doesn't sound like from this post, Holly, but maybe I misunderstood the intent of it. He's referring I think to a post made several weeks ago where I recall him saying that people that attended would almost certainly enjoy the show. Hell, *I* - Me!- even said people attending in person would be happy with the show after I watched Kiev. I would argue though about what audience reception can objectively say about the performance beyond the fact that it succeeded as a live event. Things absolutely can (and often do) sound different live than they do recorded, and similarly different when viewed critically out of the context of the live show. I can't imagine any experienced concert goer arguing any differently. It's impossible to separate the event, the atmosphere, the emotion of being there from the actuality of the show while you're there and in your recollections of the experience. Much like one could have a wonderful time going out to dinner with friends or family and hardly notice the overdone calamari-- unless you tried to eat it again the next day sitting by yourself at the dining room table. Ticket buyers for any event are self selecting and unless things are a really serious mess it would be expected that they enjoy what they elected to see and pay for. |
Missreclusive 16.07.2012 14:56 |
Zebonka12 wrote: link Sounds amazing!Totally! Hadn't watched this one, had to watch it several times. ty for posting. I wonder if Fred bruised his leg when he bent the mic stand hammering it into his leg? yeow! |
chica63 16.07.2012 15:26 |
At the end of any live concert, the only thing that really matters is "DID YOU HAVE A GOOD TIME?". From what I've seen and heard it seems that most everyone, including (and especially)the band, had a phenomenal time. If people who weren't there, who only listened to a live stream or videos after the fact, want to knitpick and overanalyze every missed note, every warble, every move there's nothing that can be said or debated that will change their feelings on the subject. For me personally, a concert is all about the excitement of real, live, musicians, real PEOPLE standing on a stage and giving it their all. People who are willing to take the chance that not everything will be perfect but still dedicated to giving you the best show they know how. Maybe Im crazy but I think the little missteps create their own bit of art and beauty. I'm not really a fan of live albums or dvds (although I do have a few and would love one of this concert). Too many essential elements of a live event are lost in translation. Queen + Adam Lambert pulled off 3 fucking AMAZING shows at Hammersmith and they did it by having the time of their lives on that stage and wanting to share that with the fans. If someone can't see past their own knitpicking to just ENJOY the moment, be IN the moment we have been gifted then I truly feel for you. |
someonewholikesadam 16.07.2012 15:40 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: I think you are wrong Holly. I sat thru many "acts" waiting for Adam to perform and have been to concerts where other artists perform . They don't always sound live.Meant to say "sound better live." |
Holly2003 16.07.2012 15:50 |
chica63 wrote: At the end of any live concert, the only thing that really matters is "DID YOU HAVE A GOOD TIME?". From what I've seen and heard it seems that most everyone, including (and especially)the band, had a phenomenal time. If people who weren't there, who only listened to a live stream or videos after the fact, want to knitpick and overanalyze every missed note, every warble, every move there's nothing that can be said or debated that will change their feelings on the subject. For me personally, a concert is all about the excitement of real, live, musicians, real PEOPLE standing on a stage and giving it their all. People who are willing to take the chance that not everything will be perfect but still dedicated to giving you the best show they know how. Maybe Im crazy but I think the little missteps create their own bit of art and beauty. I'm not really a fan of live albums or dvds (although I do have a few and would love one of this concert). Too many essential elements of a live event are lost in translation. Queen + Adam Lambert pulled off 3 fucking AMAZING shows at Hammersmith and they did it by having the time of their lives on that stage and wanting to share that with the fans. If someone can't see past their own knitpicking to just ENJOY the moment, be IN the moment we have been gifted then I truly feel for you. That doesn't make any sense. If you agree being at a live show is a better experience than listening to a CD or watching an internet stream you can't then berate people for not enjoying the latter as much as the former. |
tonyyy 16.07.2012 16:38 |
I've been at the first and second Hammersmith gigs, they have been nice concerts, especially the second. At the first gig they seemed to me a bit tired, but the second gig was really great! I've seen two Queen + P.R. concerts, one in 2005 and another in the 2008 and I have to say that I like a lot P.R., but A.L. seems to me a more suitable singer for Queen, especially in the medium and slow songs. He has a glam attitude while P.R. is a (great) classic rocker. None could be like Freddie but, especially for people like me, that never saw Queen live with Freddie because I was too young, it's great to see Brian and Roger live. In those two concerts I also liked a lot the lights, I dislike a bit the fire, because I was in the second row and it was too near me. They are old, it's clear, but they're still great! link |
someonewholikesadam 16.07.2012 16:45 |
I love a lot of the songs I hear on the radio and when performed live the majority do NOT live up to the recorded version. The opposite is true with Adam. He can make me love a song I wasn't crazy about after seeing him perform it live. I guess people here are strictly speaking about the vocals, but you are ignoring the fact that it isn't only about the vocals with hugely popular recording artists. I cite Madonna as an example. Adam has it all as far as I'm concerned, the vocals, the stage presence, the personality in interviews, and he is extremely good-looking and sexy. And when I go back and listen to recorded versions of his concerts (Glamnation Live and Acoustic Sessions), I am blown away by his singing. I venture to say that anyone who loved the live performance at Hammersmith will also love the YouTube vids and any recorded DVD of the show. Holly, admit it. You don't like AL and can't fathom that any other Queen fan would. |
someonewholikesadam 16.07.2012 16:57 |
I don't mean to be argumentative, Holly (well, really I do), but it would be gracious of you to concede that there are plenty of Queen fans (yourself excluded) who loved Adam with Queen because he flat-out did a fabulous job, not just that they were caught up in the moment at a live concert. |
Holly2003 16.07.2012 17:13 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: I love a lot of the songs I hear on the radio and when performed live the majority do NOT live up to the recorded version. The opposite is true with Adam. He can make me love a song I wasn't crazy about after seeing him perform it live. I guess people here are strictly speaking about the vocals, but you are ignoring the fact that it isn't only about the vocals with hugely popular recording artists. I cite Madonna as an example. Adam has it all as far as I'm concerned, the vocals, the stage presence, the personality in interviews, and he is extremely good-looking and sexy. And when I go back and listen to recorded versions of his concerts (Glamnation Live and Acoustic Sessions), I am blown away by his singing. I venture to say that anyone who loved the live performance at Hammersmith will also love the YouTube vids and any recorded DVD of the show. Holly, admit it. You don't like AL and can't fathom that any other Queen fan would. I don't particularly like his voice. He's not even the best singer from Idol -- Crystal Bowersox is a better singer than he is by a long long way, for example. But a lot of this is down to personal taste and as I have stated before, I totally accept that some people like him. He sings some Queen songs well: WWTLF and UP were good. But many other songs sounded bad. It doesn't matter much to me how many outfits he wears or if he has stage presence etc., because I personally find a lot of those things superfluous. I would much rather Fred was remembered as a musician than as a "front man" -- a term which devalues his musical skills and turns him into some sort of sideshow attraction. Queen (remember them? that's why I'm here) were musically much better in the 1970s when Fred spent most of his time playing piano and not faffing about singing de de de do de day. |
GratefulFan 16.07.2012 17:13 |
Poor Holly2003. If we could easily pull up previous posts on this wobbly featured discussion board you'd truly see that of all the people that had/have doubts about AL he's been one of the most even handed of all commenters. So you really are kind of picking on the wrong guy. Fortunately he's tough, and I'm sure he can take it. :) It has seemed to me for some time that AL fans seem to have lost the concept of subjectivity. "Flat out fabulous job" and "stage presence" and "personality" and god knows "extremely good looking and sexy" are entirely in the eyes of the beholder. Thus the irritating tendency of supporters to "correct" people who don't share their perceptions. That dynamic doesn't work the other way, or at least rarely does. |
Missreclusive 16.07.2012 17:18 |
This Queen fan can't ever like AL. NOT because of pettiness or any other reason than his voice and stage presence. I never saw Freddie live however, he is enjoyable on vids or recording, live or not. He has talent that AL could only hope for but most likely never achieve. How not to do comparisons when you care about "SOUND". I love Queen legacy, adore it. I want it to sound the way it should. I don't like Freddie impersonators but I do like the way Freddies voice sounded and the way the original songs sounded live or recorded. The only one I see that got the job done was QE. AL can not duplicate that at all. He never will. You are an AL fan, good, carry on. I think there are plenty of Queen fans out here who would never "concede" to something their ears/eyes tell them is uck. |
Missreclusive 16.07.2012 17:36 |
Applaudes GF and Holly for being gracious. I agree with regard to Crystal B. and all that both of you have stated. I'm obviously not an intelligent writer, however, whether they intend to or not, the AL fans tend to grate on me as much as he does! All for the reasons you stated GF. |
chica63 16.07.2012 17:43 |
Holly, my point is that if we agree the live experience is always better, there's no point in picking apart details that can not be captured on film and often get distorted or left out in fan recorded videos. That is unless one is using the recording/video they know can't compare to the live experience to whine and moan about thier dislike of the event and/or diss someone they already don't like. Which again, I don't understand. What's the point? And I don't feel like I'm 'berating' anyone.. just don't understand the thought process. Why watch the videos at all if all you're going to do is pick them apart? The fact that we have videos at ALL is a gift and if one is a fan of Queen or Adam or both then why not just enjoy the fact that we got to see the show at all. (which is likely the part of my point you missed or thought didn't make sense. Not sure I expressed my thought clearly) Back in the olden days (:P) we couldn't even dream of having instant videos and livestreams of concerts. We are SO spoiled! lol I'll tell you this; Adam's like nothing I've ever heard and I've been to over 400 concerts in my 49 years. I wasn't lucky enough to see Queen with Freddie but no one else has ever made me feel the way Adam did when I left a show. What's wrong with getting caught up in the moment of a concert? Isn't that kind of the point? Being present and enjoying what's being played in front of us for our entertainment? Which leads me back to my first sentence in that last post: At the end of the concert, the only thing that matters is: Did you have a good time? :) Edit: I changed my wording above because it read like I was attacking or accusing one person in particular and that's not how I meant it to read. :) |
chica63 16.07.2012 17:52 |
And for the record, I KNOW Adam/his voice/his style etc are not for everyone. That's totally fine! I'm not trying to convince anyone to like him.. alone or with Queen. I'm just sayin I do. There are PLENTY of very talented, well loved singers in this world who I wouldn't go see if I were paid for it. lol To each their own. I really feel for the hard core Queen fans who aren't happy about this collab.. or any collab.. it's got to be difficult. And Im not being sarcastic, I'm serious. I've got other bands I think I would feel the same way about if they tried to replace my favorite member. I think it doesn't bother me with Queen because the songs are SO iconic that they've taken on a life of their own beyond Freddie. That's a compliment to Freddie and all the members who made Queen what it was. |
GratefulFan 16.07.2012 19:04 |
Distortion and things left out happen both ways - live and recorded. I think there is pretty much universal acknowledgement that virtually everybody had a good to wonderful experience at the shows, as largely expected. And that is great-- great for the fans attending and great for the band. But "look how much fun people had" is not an answer to "wow I think that sounds pretty bad". There's this ever present sense that somehow receiving this well - both the idea and the result - is somehow preferable, wiser and more enlightened than thinking it was largely a miss. People are *always* reaching around for deficiencies in detractors. Like homophobia, naysaying, or (ahem) being so struck with chronic and incurable Fredism that objectivity is hopelessly crippled. Frankly, no. That's stupid. As is wondering why Queen fans might seek out video of the first full concerts the band have done in 4 years, not knowing if they'll find watching it a pleasurable or worthwhile experience or if they'll "pick it apart", before they see it. For the people that couldn't or didn't attend, the video document is all we have. To argue that the experience of people who attended should somehow take some kind of precedent, or somehow inform the cruel neutrality of the video camera, seems odd. |
GratefulFan 16.07.2012 19:12 |
Missreclusive wrote: Applaudes GF and Holly for being gracious. I agree with regard to Crystal B. and all that both of you have stated. I'm obviously not an intelligent writer, however, whether they intend to or not, the AL fans tend to grate on me as much as he does! All for the reasons you stated GF.The idiot ones grate on me - but thankfully they haven't seemed to have made their way to Queenzone. I also think there's a sizeable chunk of that extreme fandom that could use a good linger on the psychologist's couch, followed by a prescription to go home and screw their husbands. But for the most part I find patience and affinity through the common bond of passion for somebody's music. Even though it's directed at someone and something that makes me want to hurl, probably to the point of mild irrationality. |
someonewholikesadam 16.07.2012 19:36 |
Holly2003 wrote: |
Daniel Nester 16.07.2012 19:58 |
[getting popcorn] |
GratefulFan 17.07.2012 00:09 |
NFG Message Board aka double post |
GratefulFan 17.07.2012 00:09 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: Holly is a man?? Grateful Fan, while it is kind of you to stick up for "poor Holly," you are missing my point. His/her statement "However, if there's a CD or DVD release I suspect those who went to the shows will be surprised how different it sounds, and not just because it's been touched up" seems to indicate fans who were at the concert will be disappointed with a recording and that the reason they thought Lambert was so great was because of the excitement of being at the live gig. Holly won't admit that a LOT of Queen fans thought he was spectular because he was spectular in their opinion and they likely won't be disappointed with a recording. And just because some of you don't think he is a good fit with Queen doesn't mean you are right. I started to think he wasn't a good fit either based on prior gigs. I have since revised my opinion.It's little to do with kindness and more to do with the fact that everybody who invests in a discussion board knows it takes some time and commitment, and should know it's irritating to have to spend too much of that time defending things you didn't say and don't mean. That has happened to Holly frequently on this subject, and though yours is far from the worst example I think as a general sentiment we owe each other the care and respect to make sure we're not projecting all over the place and ending up with people in positions they didn't put themselves in. It's happened to me too, but I'm a bit lippy on the topic. Holly has been nothing but even and fair, something even a detailed review of his posts would show. So it seemed to me a subject worth bringing up, worth sticking up for. I'd do the same for you. Drunk enough, I might even do it for Fester up there with his popcorn. But only if he wasn't choking, because then I'd draw everybody's attention to the lovely sunset over the Great Lakes or something. You said "Holly won't admit that a LOT of Queen fans thought he was spectacular because he was spectacular in their opinion and they likely won't be disappointed with a recording." Won't 'admit'? The completely neutral recounting of his own experiences doesn't even come close to addressing this either way. And the term "disappointed" comes entirely from you. What he said was that gigs that he had loved sounded "different", and that they were still good, but [paraphrased] the exhilaration of the live event had gone and the more earth bound aspects of the performances became evident. This is such a common experience that I think it's you that has lost your objectivity if you think Adam Lambert and whatever band he is playing with is somehow eternally immune, or that Holly making that point is a diminishment of Queen + Lambert's success in entertaining these audiences in the live settings. Really baby. It's not him, it's you. ;) And if your "doesn't mean [we're] right" sounded familiar, it's because I said that very thing to you a couple of weeks ago. It doesn't mean we're right. But there's a lot of experience and thoughtfulness there nonetheless. PS Anybody who has ever fought an urge to tell me to get a life, now would be a perfect time. I have spent this entire post drinking red wine I don't really like and listening to Clay Aiken's Bridge Over Troubled Water on loop. lol @ me :P |
cmsdrums 17.07.2012 00:42 |
chica63 wrote: I'll tell you this; Adam's like nothing I've ever heard and I've been to over 400 concerts in my 49 years.Really? No, I mean really??? |
john bodega 17.07.2012 02:22 |
I'd love to put a video together showing what's wrong with this collaboration, but that'd mean having to actually sit through one of the gigs again. |
Tarabostes 17.07.2012 05:42 |
Tarabostes What an interesting lad/lass, what an authentic angry young man you are, Grateful Fan! Whenever you post , I become vigilant, alert to your sayings. As a psychiatrist, you just recommended one to "...a sizeable chunk ...." Why not all the chunk, cheap ironies, imprecations seem to be common features. Are some differences within the chunk and I'm not capable of recognizing them? Wait, maybe "people are 'always reaching around for deficiencies in detractors. Like homophobia..." can give us a clue. So, is my objectivity "hopelessly crippled" if I suspect that a great part of the chunk suffers of it? Doesn't it sound a bit defensive? Am I right to say that I feel a kind of condescendence, you patronizing the "idiots"? I do feel it. Since you so subtly , I mean the collective you , invited me, I mean , the collective I , to leave you alone. But why , why, Master, aren't you more patient with us, the rest of the animals, who will always be complying with your commands , Napoleon? Oh, not to mention my great regret that our comrade, here, does not want to show what's wrong with this collaboration. |
queenUSA 17.07.2012 06:16 |
I was at Hammersmith Day 3 and it was absolutely fucking fantastic!!! Adam was "electrifying" on stage, as one London reviewer said after attending one of the London nights and gave the night 5/5, adding that with Adam, Queen has it's spark back after 20 years. Those are quite powerful statements from that reviewer. And yet, there it is. The crowd was constantly filming with cameras and phones so it became so annoying that they were blocking the view and you had to weave and bob yourself to see around the sea of devices in the air. I know people want to take mementos of what they see and intend to post videos and show others who could not make it .... But when you're at a live show and your bothering to watch it through at 4 inch screen non-stop then you are really missing the whole point of being there in the moment and taking it all in without the frame. Videos provided to you are someone else's framed information and so much more is going on beyond the frame. The reaction between artist and fan is not captured in a one way shot. You are not seeing the connection made nor felt real time. So go if there is a next time. And for god's sake put down those stupid devices and just rock out!! |
Holly2003 17.07.2012 06:26 |
Tarabostes wrote: Tarabostes What an interesting lad/lass, what an authentic angry young man you are, Grateful Fan! Whenever you post , I become vigilant, alert to your sayings. As a psychiatrist, you just recommended one to "...a sizeable chunk ...." Why not all the chunk, cheap ironies, imprecations seem to be common features. Are some differences within the chunk and I'm not capable of recognizing them? Wait, maybe "people are 'always reaching around for deficiencies in detractors. Like homophobia..." can give us a clue. So, is my objectivity "hopelessly crippled" if I suspect that a great part of the chunk suffers of it? Doesn't it sound a bit defensive? Am I right to say that I feel a kind of condescendence, you patronizing the "idiots"? I do feel it. Since you so subtly , I mean the collective you , invited me, I mean , the collective I , to leave you alone. But why , why, Master, aren't you more patient with us, the rest of the animals, who will always be complying with your commands , Napoleon? Oh, not to mention my great regret that our comrade, here, does not want to show what's wrong with this collaboration. Once more please, this time in English. |
Holly2003 17.07.2012 06:42 |
someonewholikesadam wrote:Holly2003 wrote: A bit of a misleading argument really as most concerts sounds good when you're at them. Even The Pogues sounded good when I saw them and they're shite. I saw Queen + PR live and it was excellent but Return of the Champions demonstrated that Rodgers' voice isn't suitable for many Queen songs (and a poor setlist of hits didn't help). I've no doubt most at Queen + Lambert enjoyed themeselves. Holly is a man?? Grateful Fan, while it is kind of you to stick up for "poor Holly," you are missing my point. His/her statement "However, if there's a CD or DVD release I suspect those who went to the shows will be surprised how different it sounds, and not just because it's been touched up" seems to indicate fans who were at the concert will be disappointed with a recording and that the reason they thought Lambert was so great was because of the excitement of being at the live gig. Holly won't admit that a LOT of Queen fans thought he was spectular because he was spectular in their opinion and they likely won't be disappointed with a recording. And just because some of you don't think he is a good fit with Queen doesn't mean you are right. I started to think he wasn't a good fit either based on prior gigs. I have since revised my opinion. I don't presume to know what "a lot of Queen fans thought", I'm just offering some observations about my experiences of live music. I don't understand your obsession with getting me to "admit" things. I've already said on a number of occasions what I think of Lambert and that others feel differently. Whether Lambert or Paul Rodgers were right or wrong "fits" for Queen is highly subjective and therefore open to debate, which is what's currently happening on this forum. |
Holly2003 17.07.2012 06:46 |
GratefulFan wrote: worth sticking up for. I'd do the same for you. Drunk enough, I might even do it for Fester up there with his popcorn. But only if he wasn't choking, because then I'd draw everybody's attention to the lovely sunset over the Great Lakes or something. :) |
someonewholikesadam 17.07.2012 08:00 |
Holly2003 wrote:WTH?Tarabostes wrote: TarabostesWhat an interesting lad/lass, what an authentic angry young man you are, Grateful Fan! Whenever you post , I become vigilant, alert to your sayings. As a psychiatrist, you just recommended one to "...a sizeable chunk ...." Why not all the chunk, cheap ironies, imprecations seem to be common features. Are some differences within the chunk and I'm not capable of recognizing them? Wait, maybe "people are 'always reaching around for deficiencies in detractors. Likehomophobia..." can give us a clue. So, is my objectivity "hopelessly crippled" if I suspect that a great part of the chunk suffers of it? Doesn't it sound a bit defensive? Am I right to say that I feel a kind of condescendence, you patronizing the "idiots"? I do feel it. Since you so subtly , I mean the collective you , invited me, I mean , the collective I , to leave you alone.But why , why, Master, aren't you more patient with us, the rest of the animals, who will always be complying with your commands , Napoleon?Oh, not to mention my great regret that our comrade, here, does not want to show what's wrong with this collaboration.Once more please, this time in English. |
AdamMethos 17.07.2012 08:13 |
Holly2003 wrote: Once more please, this time in English.I think Tarabostes is related to that Medusa person who was banned... |
cacatua 17.07.2012 08:58 |
Now I remember this place - it is where simple joy and enthusiasm come to be intellectualized to death. In their spare time they kick puppies for entertainment. |
AdamMethos 17.07.2012 09:16 |
Nah. It's a place where people with strong opinions are not afraid to speak their mind. It's not a place for people who are looking for a mutual admiration society, and not a place for people whose joy and enthusiasm for a project is dependent on what other people think of it. I enjoy reading the different opinions, even though a few sometimes get my blood boiling. ;-) The debates gives me a broader perspective on a subject than reading one "me too" post after another. |
Missreclusive 17.07.2012 14:28 |
Ah, there you are AM, erm, AAM. Love it, as you are always very diplomatic. I mean that as a compliment and do appreciate it. |
GratefulFan 17.07.2012 21:31 |
queenUSA wrote: And for god's sake put down those stupid devices and just rock out!!I have gotten so conflicted about recording at recent shows. Though it's partly about having a memento for myself, the joy of doing it is largely being able to share it on YouTube for others to access- those who had attended the show and other fans of the artist. Since Bryan Adams' uptight policy of scrubbing the net of anything and everything he doesn't personally authorize wiped my Adams videos off YouTube and got me spanked by them, I've questioned whether it's worth it. You are distracted not only during filming but by referencing the set list constantly trying to be prepared. It really does alter the live experience, and if nobody but you and some close friends will effectively get to see them, you may as well see it and experience it right the first time- without a camera. That said, I still captured three John Mellencamp songs a couple of weeks ago because I'm still on the fence. I'm not sure if it was worth it, but I'm positive I annoyed the woman in front of me. lol |
AdamMethos 17.07.2012 22:06 |
I don't mind recording two or three songs as a souvenir. I couldn't record a whole concert because that would suck too much of the live experience away... but I'm grateful for the people who do record whole concerts and post them on YT for me to enjoy. :D |
john bodega 18.07.2012 02:02 |
I recorded most of The Who when they came. I don't have a single regret - I just propped the camera up near my shoulder and hoped it caught some of the action while I stood there and had a religious experience. No harm done. |
Donna13 18.07.2012 20:44 |
I wish I had been there in London. It looks like such a fun time. |
queenUSA 22.07.2012 19:09 |
Donna13 wrote: I wish I had been there in London. It looks like such a fun time.Don't worry lovely, there's always next time. You'll get your chance. |