RMTaylorBest 12.04.2012 14:12 |
THAT'S IT. LOVE FOR QUEEN, IS LOVE FOR SHARING THEIR HIDDEN GEMS AND STUFF IN GENERAL. |
Rubbersuit 12.04.2012 15:16 |
THANK YOU!!!!! |
inu-liger 12.04.2012 15:45 |
You sir are a class act moron. Your choice of wording is only going to have the exact opposite effect of what you think is going to happen by throwing negative labels around. |
brENsKi 12.04.2012 16:05 |
RMTaylorBest wrote: THAT'S IT. LOVE FOR QUEEN, IS LOVE FOR SHARING THEIR HIDDEN GEMS AND STUFF IN GENERAL.right. so those who shelled out their hard-earned cash on rarities don't love queen? and should give em away for free? stop being a stupid c*nt |
mooghead 12.04.2012 16:29 |
This is an obvious troll. I am surprised that regular posters has answered. Make this the last post of this thread. |
Gaabiizz 12.04.2012 18:09 |
Okay! |
Gaabiizz 12.04.2012 18:09 |
Okay! |
abc1 12.04.2012 21:03 |
inu-liger wrote: You sir are a class act moron. Your choice of wording is only going to have the exact opposite effect of what you think is going to happen by throwing negative labels around.I think you are getting things mixed up,this person is saying the right thing. R u saying that ppl should keep things to themselves instead???? |
inu-liger 12.04.2012 21:07 |
I'm not saying that people SHOULD keep things to themselves, I don't advocate for that kind of hoarding by any means, and as a matter of fact there DOES seem to be a continued intention for Fanthology to continue their work and put things out eventually - don't forget Brian's Wig HAS already confirmed there will be two small releases in May and November this year. But attacking these collectors will only ENCOURAGE them to possibly hoard their wares further rather than releasing them out of pressure. That was a VERY poorly thought out measure on the topic op's part. |
emrabt 13.04.2012 01:02 |
REAL FANS LEECH OFF OF THIS WEBSITE, HOUND OTHER MEMBERS AND SEND THEM DEATH THREATS. REAL FANS START BANDS HONOURING QUEEN WITH THE SAME STYLE OF MUSIC BUT WITHOUT COPYING, FACT. REAL FANS START fascinating WEBSITES WHICH OBSESSIVLY UNTHREAD LIVE KILLERS. REAL FANS FAN MIX QUEEN SONGS. REAL FANS HAVE MORBID INTEREST IN FREDDIES LAST YEAR AND MAKE THREADS ASKING IF YOU CAN SEE AIDS IN HIS PHOTOS. REAL FANS POST THINGS LIKE "real fans have blades and spin" IN THREADS LIKE THIS. REAL FANS FIND EVIDENCE OF BRIAN MAY BEING A FREEMASON OR JOHN DEACON BEING ALIVE. REAL FANS WORK IN THE QUEEN ARCHIVE, AND LIKE TO REMIND PEOPLE OF THAT FACT. REAL FANS TAKE VIDEOS FROM THIS SITE, CROP THEM, FILTER THEM, SLAP ON A WATERMARK and SELL THEM. REAL FANS UPLOAD COUNTLESS HOURS OF COPYRIGHTED STUFF ONTO YOUTUBE THEN ACT SHOCKED WHEN IT GETS REMOVED. I think you’ll find a REAL fan is anyone who likes queens music. |
inu-liger 13.04.2012 01:24 |
Ding ^ |
tomchristie22 13.04.2012 02:46 |
Gaabiizz wrote: Okay!Okay! Great! |
dave76 13.04.2012 05:52 |
2 fanthology releases in May and November. Great. Something to looking forward to. I can't wait for that. Roll on May and November. |
dave76 13.04.2012 05:55 |
inu-liger wrote: I'm not saying that people SHOULD keep things to themselves, I don't advocate for that kind of hoarding by any means, and as a matter of fact there DOES seem to be a continued intention for Fanthology to continue their work and put things out eventually - don't forget Brian's Wig HAS already confirmed there will be two small releases in May and November this year.But attacking these collectors will only ENCOURAGE them to possibly hoard their wares further rather than releasing them out of pressure. That was a VERY poorly thought out measure on the topic op's part.2 fanthology releases in May and November. Great. Something to looking forward to. I can't wait for that. Roll on May and November. |
RMTaylorBest 13.04.2012 06:02 |
The value ofo your "acetates" does not change if you share the file sound with ppl who really love Queen and wait just to hear hidden gems, NOT TO POSSESS PRECIOUS PIECES OF PLASTIC |
Ron 13.04.2012 06:19 |
Honestly RMTB.. why dont you go to ebay or EIL and buy something for 600 or more dollars which has a unique one-off version and then come back to this forum and upload it. I am sure that you do not mind. |
Dane 13.04.2012 06:49 |
I wouldn't mind paying €1000,- on an Acetate to add to my collection and then letting all of you enjoy the rare content by uploading a low-grade MP3 of the songs.. i would probably degrade the audio or overlay some noise like what happened with the Polar Bear demo. truely, no problem. It only takes some selflessness and a little less egocentrism. |
pittrek 13.04.2012 07:56 |
How old are you actually, 14 ? Please, invest thousands of pounds/dollars/euros and a HUGE amount of free time in tracking down and buying rare Queen stuff. And then - share them for free. Until you don't do that, you have absolutely NO right to criticise somebody else. |
Ron 13.04.2012 08:28 |
"and then letting all of you enjoy the rare content by uploading a low-grade MP3 of the songs.." Why would you want to do that and not let them enjoy the song in the best quality possible? Looks like we are getting somewhere now... |
Rael 13.04.2012 08:37 |
I don't think that this is the right thing to do. If you spend a lot of money (and I mean A LOT) for a raritie, then it's your decision if you want to give it out for free or not. Eventually, we will all have listened to all the Queen material that we want to hear, I'm sure of that. But this is not the way. And, if we want to ask to this guys for something very odd and very expensive, we should be a little more polite. |
brENsKi 13.04.2012 08:44 |
RMTaylorBest wrote: The value ofo your "acetates" does not change if you share the file sound with ppl who really love Queen and wait just to hear hidden gems, NOT TO POSSESS PRECIOUS PIECES OF PLASTICthis is the biggest load of bollox i've ever heard. fact: if you own the sole copy of a rare recording - this is of interest to other collectors. if you bought if for £2000 20 years ago, another collector may well pay £10000 now fact: the same recording is of far greater financial value to the record company/band if there is no other copy about. the ONLY way to preserve the value and share it is by sharing it at some shitty bitrate. i don't mind. but even if JSS or fanthology share their stuff at 96k mp3 - some ungrateful cunt on here will complain "why didn't you share it lossless" ? so the collector is damned if they do, and damned if they don't getting tired of people who think they have a divine right to a free copy of stuff they didn't shell out their hard earned cash for or spend years tracking down. lazy selfish bastards |
pittrek 13.04.2012 08:58 |
The really last time, I promise :-) Everybody has the full right to do with his property what he wants. If he wants to share digital copies of his property, excellent. But if he wants to keep it for himself he has the full right to do it. |
RMTaylorBest 13.04.2012 08:59 |
don't anybody spit out big bad words. like "bastard" or smth like this. i don't have money enough for that, i could just get to things like rare singles. Come on, i am sure there are some other songs to give to the real fans, the poor people who wants just listen to the creations of their idols. Not to invest and earn by investing. Buy some stupid Picasso if you wanna invest |
brENsKi 13.04.2012 09:18 |
i really don't undertsand why people don't get it just because you can't afford something, doesn't mean you can expect to get it for free. whatever collectors have sought out, paid for and retained privately - is their own fucking right. some people work hard and their disposable income is theirs to do as they wish. no one anywhere has any right to these things for free. if colelctor chooses to share then that's nice of them, but begging, demanding, pleading and calling them selfish will not encourage anything. leave them be things have a way of finding their way out into the wild, when the time is right. be patient and shut the fuck up moaning because it doesn't happen straight away |
Ron 13.04.2012 09:55 |
"just because you can't afford something, doesn't mean you can expect to get it for free." This. |
Micrówave 13.04.2012 10:40 |
I like hamburgers. And I would share them with all of you... except the topic starter. |
rubens 13.04.2012 10:53 |
Micrówave wrote: I like hamburgers. And I would share them with all of you... except the topic starter. Can you share it using torrents? I'm starving! |
Wiley 13.04.2012 11:46 |
I would only accept your hamburgers if they're lossless... otherwise, FUCK YOU! |
RMTaylorBest 13.04.2012 12:00 |
i used to think that only nice guys were Queen fans. i think some of you maybe are priorly AC/DC or KISS fans :PPPPP or even U2 !!! :D no, you're not so naughty i was wrong my dear friend, i did not mean to send a pm to you, even if you don't wanna gimme your hamburgers :( |
The Real Wizard 13.04.2012 17:24 |
Where does this sense of entitlement come from? Just because someone has paid $$ for something does not mean you automatically get to hear it. Do I need to paint you a picture? There are thousands of topics in the announce forum - virtually ALL of which would not exist if it were not for collectors, the very people you are launching this silly tirade against. Stop trolling. Point and click when something new comes, listen to it, say thank you, and shut the fuck up until the next thing is shared. |
inu-liger 14.04.2012 02:06 |
So if say a rich car collector buys a prototype car originally belonging to one of the top line of car manufacturers, that has features unique to the prototypes and not to the final and more accessible product line, does that automatically give the poorer commoners the automatic right to take it for a drive against the owner's wish, nevermind keep it for themselves simply because they have some sort of entitlement owing to the fact they make much less money than the owner does? |
tcc 14.04.2012 08:19 |
The procedure in QZ is to request politely in the Sharing The Music - Request section, and not to shout and demand in the Queen - Serious Discussion section. Must warn you though that not all requests are granted. |
tero! 48531 14.04.2012 09:06 |
inu-liger wrote: So if say a rich car collector buys a prototype car originally belonging to one of the top line of car manufacturers, that has features unique to the prototypes and not to the final and more accessible product line, does that automatically give the poorer commoners the automatic right to take it for a drive against the owner's wish, nevermind keep it for themselves simply because they have some sort of entitlement owing to the fact they make much less money than the owner does?That's a pretty crappy analogy you have there. :P For starters this prototype car will remain in the possession of the collector all the time, with no danger of physical damage. This collector himself has scanned a 3D model of his car which he has willingly passed on, only to later find out it has been used to make a replica of the car. It most certainly makes the product more accessible to the masses, but we don't even know if this will decrease or increase the value of the car... After all, it's still the genuine article, but now there are more people with better knowledge about it. And then there's of course the nasty issue of ownership. If the prototype car has disappeared from the original manufacturer (with no legal documents for exchange of ownership) and appeared in the collector's garage, the manufacturer still owns the product. |
brENsKi 14.04.2012 09:57 |
tero! 48531 wrote: That's a pretty crappy analogy you have there. :P And then there's of course the nasty issue of ownership. If the prototype car has disappeared from the original manufacturer (with no legal documents for exchange of ownership) and appeared in the collector's garage, the manufacturer still owns the product.and so is yours. so let's make it more realistic. should ferrari gift an unused prototype to a designer, or should their warehouse security be so fuckign lax that someone working in the final stages of assembly "steals" a car out of the factory...then THAT'S THEIR FUCKING FAULT. they should be more bothered in the first place. when people talk about acetates, and tapes and shit they make is sound like someone did a fucking "raffles" and broke in under cover of darkness. no such thing, EMI/queen had no accurate records and consquently had no idea what was where and who they had loaned or given things to. want proof of this? look no further than "hangman" - the archivist denied it's existence for a long while - QPL may know exactly what they have, but they have no idea what they SHOULD have. so more fool them...more money than sense, and they get what they derserve. now, it may have consequently fallen into the hands of a collector - for hard-earned cash. yes it's owenership is questionable, but this gives no freeloading c*nt on here a divine right to insist a collector uploads it |
tero! 48531 14.04.2012 11:18 |
brENsKi wrote: and so is yours. so let's make it more realistic. should ferrari gift an unused prototype to a designer, or should their warehouse security be so fuckign lax that someone working in the final stages of assembly "steals" a car out of the factory...then THAT'S THEIR FUCKING FAULT. they should be more bothered in the first place.You never did actually question my expansion on the analogy of the product, you merely try to cloud the issue by concentrating on the ownership... But using your own analogy, doesn't the fanthology deserve all of their rarities to be freely distributed to the whole world for being so lax? Isn't it THEIR FUCKING FAULT, to quote your words? |
Battler 14.04.2012 12:05 |
I just wanted to say, that I know a person who, albeit not a Queen or music collector, who is a collector of old operating systems, that bought a version of Microsoft Windows (Premiere Edition, basically the last version before the publicly released 1.01) for I think $10k, and then shared it for free. In my opinion, it's a noble gest that you spend your own money to make sure others won't have to spend the same amount to get the same thing. If I had $600 to spend on a rare record, I'd spend it, make a lossless rip of the record, then spread the lossless rip around, expecting nothing in return. Because I'd care to do a good act for others before I'd care about how much I spent for it. |
brENsKi 14.04.2012 16:38 |
tero! 48531 wrote:didn't cloud any issues, and certainly didn't lessen the strength of my own argument. in fact. if anything..you just helped reinforce it.brENsKi wrote: and so is yours. so let's make it more realistic. should ferrari gift an unused prototype to a designer, or should their warehouse security be so fuckign lax that someone working in the final stages of assembly "steals" a car out of the factory...then THAT'S THEIR FUCKING FAULT. they should be more bothered in the first place.You never did actually question my expansion on the analogy of the product, you merely try to cloud the issue by concentrating on the ownership... But using your own analogy, doesn't the fanthology deserve all of their rarities to be freely distributed to the whole world for being so lax? Isn't it THEIR FUCKING FAULT, to quote your words? because, regardless of whether we're actually talking about; an EMI engineer, EMI receptionist, contracted motorcyle courier, one of freddie/brian/roger/john's nearest and dearest or in fact the lately (not so great) DavidRFuller....all, i repeat ALL were the one's in a poisition of trust...and by consequence THEY are the one's committing the cuntish act of cheapskate betrayal can ANY of us here honestly say we'd stay friends with anyone who did something like that to us? of course the freeloaders love DRF, but they would wouldn't they. as regards the anti-fanthology brigade and fuller: to quote a band i don't like: The handshake seals the contract From the contract there's no turning back .... The grabbing hands grab all they can All for themselves - after all ..... Picture it now See just how The lies and deceit gained a little More a power Confidence - taken inBy a suntan and a grin Everything counts in large amounts |
tero! 48531 15.04.2012 01:45 |
brENsKi wrote: didn't cloud any issues, and certainly didn't lessen the strength of my own argument. in fact. if anything..you just helped reinforce it. because, regardless of whether we're actually talking about; an EMI engineer, EMI receptionist, contracted motorcyle courier, one of freddie/brian/roger/john's nearest and dearest or in fact the lately (not so great) DavidRFuller....all, i repeat ALL were the one's in a poisition of trust...and by consequence THEY are the one's committing the cuntish act of cheapskate betrayal can ANY of us here honestly say we'd stay friends with anyone who did something like that to us?Err.. Your entire argument for supporting all the actions of the fanthology was based on the "lax sexurity" of the Queen camp, and that was shot to million pieces by pointing out the fanthology has been just as lax. And that was something we all already knew! Now how about if you try to explain to me what is the extent of damages suffered by the fanthology, and why their losses are greater than the losses they have caused to Queen? |
brENsKi 15.04.2012 03:31 |
tero! 48531 wrote: Err.. Your entire argument for supporting all the actions of the fanthology was based on the "lax sexurity" of the Queen camp, and that was shot to million pieces by pointing out the fanthology has been just as lax. And that was something we all already knew! Now how about if you try to explain to me what is the extent of damages suffered by the fanthology, and why their losses are greater than the losses they have caused to Queen?"my entire argument" ??????? i have argued against the breach of trust - in various threads - arguing against whatever new and preposterous angle is given and their losses are relative. and possibly greater than queen's. consider it. the loss of maybe a £5000 investment in a rare track when you maybe earn 40k p/a against queen's losses of a track they never wanted in the first place. even a very low-level functioning brain can work that out...well except for those freeloaders who demand that collectors give it all away for free don't want to argue this anymore, suffice to say, i hope JSS and fantology leak nothing more to teach the "grabbing hands" a lesson or two about patience and generally being nasty c*nts |
Battler 15.04.2012 05:17 |
>>the loss of maybe a £5000 investment in a rare track when you maybe earn 40k p/a<< It's not a loss of investment. It's the lack of profitability of an investment. He has no right to demand profiting from an investment - he either profits if he invested in the right thing, or he does not. It's called capitalism. This kind of logic is the same kind the MAFIAA use when demanding stricter and stricter anti-piracy laws. They think making huge loads of profit is a right rather than a privilege and as such they demand laws to enforce that self-given right. Now, I do agree about the breach of trust, it's a serious issue. However it should be dealth with maturely, professionally and without lynching. The fact the guys from Fanthology responded to David's post by outright lynching him with shaky allegations, shows that they're not much more mature than him. Believe me, my friends and I collect old and pre-release versions of computer software, and I know some of them spend even $10k on pieces of it. Then it got leaked to the public. They either didn't care or if they did care, handled it maturely. I don't believe I've ever publicly lynched any of my members for leaking things out. I've banned them from my community, that yes but I've never sunk that low as to publicly lynch them and spew allegations based on evidence that might be interpreted another way. Also I do agree some people in this thread were just as childish by yelling and demanding leaks, when I absolutely agree people should be patient and wait for things to become available. |
inu-liger 15.04.2012 05:24 |
This thread should be locked, honestly speaking |
tcc 15.04.2012 07:31 |
Battler wrote: Now, I do agree about the breach of trust, it's a serious issue. However it should be dealth with maturely, professionally and without lynching. The fact the guys from Fanthology responded to David's post by outright lynching him with shaky allegations, shows that they're not much more mature than him. Lynch = to execute or punish violently without a lawful trial. According to you, the guys from Fanthololgy are lynching DRF. The way I see it, in this thread and the other related threads, the collectors' group have also been subject to lynching by the supporters of DRF and those who are jealous of what is still in the collectors' hands and not released. Only DRF and the collectors' group know exactly what was going on. The rest of us were not in the picture and there was effort to fish or dig for information about it, so how could you or anyone confidently say those are "shaky allegations" ? Is this not lynching also ? |
tcc 15.04.2012 08:14 |
Battler wrote: I just wanted to say, that I know a person who, albeit not a Queen or music collector, who is a collector of old operating systems, that bought a version of Microsoft Windows (Premiere Edition, basically the last version before the publicly released 1.01) for I think $10k, and then shared it for free. In my opinion, it's a noble gest that you spend your own money to make sure others won't have to spend the same amount to get the same thing. If I had $600 to spend on a rare record, I'd spend it, make a lossless rip of the record, then spread the lossless rip around, expecting nothing in return. Because I'd care to do a good act for others before I'd care about how much I spent for it. When people are happy they post happy comments. The same applies to sharing of music. When a person is happy with what he has, he may feel good to share it. So when he posts the sharing of music, he does it with a smile on his face. Can you picture a person sharing music when he is full of anger at being pushed to share ? |
The Real Wizard 15.04.2012 22:14 |
Battler wrote: If I had $600 to spend on a rare record, I'd spend it, make a lossless rip of the record, then spread the lossless rip around, expecting nothing in return. Because I'd care to do a good act for others before I'd care about how much I spent for it.Then good luck to you. I truly hope you find such a record, and we will all reap the rewards of your generosity. But some of us would prefer to hang onto the audio and trade it for something of equal value, and eventually two great things will be shared. I hope you understand this method as well. |