Ale Solan 09.03.2012 00:05 |
Hello fellers! I'm sharing this gig, probably never shared here before... it has been shared at facebook by a chilean friend, Trinidad so as requested by thefallenqueen, I'm sharing it here for you all and I hope you enjoy it ! no lineage info, sorry 'bout that, quality is Excellent. Roger Taylor The Waterfront Norwich, England 29 March 1999 DISC 1 (47:59) 1. Interlude in Constantinople 2. We Will Rock You 3. Pressure On 4. Nation of Haircuts 5. Believe in Yourself 6. I Want to Break Free 7. No More Fun 8. Tonight 9. A Kind of Magic 10. Surrender 11. These are the Days of our Lives DISC 2 (47:43) 1. Under Pressure intro 2. Under Pressure 3. London Town - C'mon Down ~ band introduction 4. I'm in Love with my Car 5. Tenement Funster 6. Strange Frontier 7. Happiness 8. Radio Ga GA Bonus track: (Treana Morris) 9. I Know Better ~ Sleeping on the Sidewalk Links: http://www.mediafire.com/?1b359l5k79l http://www.mediafire.com/?th29490iw7d and as usual, artwork available at one of my two picasa albums: Enjoy! |
eYe 09.03.2012 02:42 |
Thank you very much! |
Wijnand 09.03.2012 04:07 |
T H A N K Y O U ! |
people on streets 09.03.2012 07:08 |
cool share! Thanks! Seems to be an audience video recording too... link |
Fmarton 09.03.2012 07:53 |
That's great. Thanks a lot. |
rubens 09.03.2012 08:35 |
thank you very much! |
pidge123 09.03.2012 09:00 |
many thanks for sharing great to see some new Roger shows appearing, much appreciated. |
drjones 09.03.2012 09:36 |
Many thanks ! you cant have enough of Rog ! |
fjac1980 09.03.2012 09:50 |
Great setlist. I really hope some Roger's solo songs will be included in new shows |
fjac1980 09.03.2012 09:54 |
ahh...thanks to Trinidad also |
MadTheSwine73 09.03.2012 10:37 |
Thanks! |
Joxer 09.03.2012 11:17 |
Matty la lleva lml |
bokkepoot 09.03.2012 12:10 |
Thanks you for sharing this concert ! Soon I bring also some new Roger solo shows to Queenzone ! |
Vali 09.03.2012 13:17 |
Gracias Alex !! |
Khizzy 09.03.2012 17:23 |
I was there!!!!!!!!!!! After deciding to go there on the day of the gig (4 hour train journey from Birmingham), I was right in front of Rog. Great gig! I've been waiting too long to hear this. Tiny venue, must have been around 400/450 people there, packed in. And I saw the guy taping the vid, he was behind me from what I remember. |
Ale Solan 09.03.2012 17:27 |
Khizzy wrote: I was there!!!!!!!!!!! After deciding to go there on the day of the gig (4 hour train journey from Birmingham), I was right in front of Rog. Great gig! I've been waiting too long to hear this. Tiny venue, must have been around 400/450 people there, packed in. And I saw the guy taping the vid, he was behind me from what I remember. thanks for sharing your experience with us Khizzy! shouldn't take long to see the vid being shared over here... ;D |
brians wig 09.03.2012 18:11 |
bokkepoot wrote: Thanks you for sharing this concert ! Soon I bring also some new Roger solo shows to Queenzone !That'd be great. We need to get organised with the solo stuff as it's been sadly neglected. |
people on streets 09.03.2012 22:00 |
Ale Solan wrote: thanks for sharing your experience with us Khizzy!shouldn't take long to see the vid being shared over here... ;DAre you in contact with the taper / someone who has the video? |
Ale Solan 09.03.2012 22:33 |
people on streets wrote:Ale Solan wrote: thanks for sharing your experience with us Khizzy!shouldn't take long to see the vid being shared over here... ;DAre you in contact with the taper / someone who has the video? Not actually, but I can give it a go! |
bokkepoot 09.03.2012 23:12 |
For everybody who prefers torrents: |
MarkRW 10.03.2012 03:04 |
Thank you. |
horse feathers 10.03.2012 03:26 |
You lot make me laugh about your lossless formats. Funny how FLAC was only released in 2001. People ask for concert recordings done in 1973 and recorded on cassette players under someones arm and posted on youtube, then ask, to sound superior, I think, 'Have you got it in FLAC'. Musicall snobs, the lot of you. |
thefallenqueen 10.03.2012 03:56 |
Thanks Alex for this share I'm really looking forward to listen to it. And... thanks horse f... for your unrefined comment. Do not download what you don't like or don't understand. If your QVC homestereo doesn't point out the difference between flac and mp3 then it's up to you to buy some better audio equipment. |
horse feathers 10.03.2012 04:47 |
Don't patronise me fallenqueen. I am a sound engineer and musician, producer and mixer. Here's a simple question for you, do you actually know the difference between the digital domain and the anologue domain? We'll start with a simple one first, shall we? |
brians wig 10.03.2012 04:51 |
horse feathers wrote: You lot make me laugh about your lossless formats. Funny how FLAC was only released in 2001. People ask for concert recordings done in 1973 and recorded on cassette players under someones arm and posted on youtube, then ask, to sound superior, I think, 'Have you got it in FLAC'. Musicall snobs, the lot of you.Should we all be asking for a copy on cassette then? All any of us want is the best quality copy feasible at the moment and that is generally considered to be either wav or FLAC. If you're happy with shitty mp3, then go look elsewhere and don't come complaining when crowd clapping noises between songs sounds squelchy (because it does depending on the bitrate - I've got a few mp3 concerts at 128kb/s from the late 1990s and they sound awful.) Snoberry? No. Just standards. |
horse feathers 10.03.2012 05:03 |
Brians Wig. The bottom line is, they are all crap recordings. I went to Elland Road in 82, I was about 10 yards from the front of the stage. No sound from either the CD or DVD of that concert replicates the sound I heard from my position on the night. I have tried to replicate it myself, by using Waves Mercury bundle, so I can hear the sound as I did on the night. I can't do it. Freddies voice, cut right through you, The kick drum made you bounce, and the noise was absolutely deafening. My ears were still ringing the next day, honestly. I went to 4 nights of the works tour, indoor sound, sounded fantastic, Rogers snare, well it didn't sound like that while you were there. And I went to Manchester in 86, they were crap that night, I was too far away and couldn't hear. The point I am making is, no format digital or anologue will capture the sound. So as a purest and someone who likes to listen to music properly, I would rather leave them alone. I will however replicate the Elland Rd sound, 'as I heard it' and make it available. I have also cleaned up 'The Works' live stuff and I'm doing the Live Killers stuff too, so take the piss as much as you want, it's water of a ducks back to me, and 128kbs, isn't that like listening to it down a telephone line? |
thefallenqueen 10.03.2012 07:29 |
seems you're simply in the wrong forum. Go and take a Queen bootleg of great sound quality like No sanity clause or some of Mannheim 86. Rip it to mp3 and flac and compare with your wonder sound machines. If you point out the difference than you find exactly what this discussion is all about. You're a a sound engineer and musician, producer and mixer - congratulations! Do some good work and remaster bootlegs for the community instead of insulting people in this forum. B.t.w thanks for clearing up that indoor sound is much better than open air recordings, didn't know that so far :-( |
brians wig 10.03.2012 11:09 |
horse feathers wrote: Brians Wig. The bottom line is, they are all crap recordings. I went to Elland Road in 82, I was about 10 yards from the front of the stage. No sound from either the CD or DVD of that concert replicates the sound I heard from my position on the night. I have tried to replicate it myself, by using Waves Mercury bundle, so I can hear the sound as I did on the night. I can't do it. Freddies voice, cut right through you, The kick drum made you bounce, and the noise was absolutely deafening. My ears were still ringing the next day, honestly. I went to 4 nights of the works tour, indoor sound, sounded fantastic, Rogers snare, well it didn't sound like that while you were there. And I went to Manchester in 86, they were crap that night, I was too far away and couldn't hear. The point I am making is, no format digital or anologue will capture the sound. So as a purest and someone who likes to listen to music properly, I would rather leave them alone. I will however replicate the Elland Rd sound, 'as I heard it' and make it available. I have also cleaned up 'The Works' live stuff and I'm doing the Live Killers stuff too, so take the piss as much as you want, it's water of a ducks back to me, and 128kbs, isn't that like listening to it down a telephone line?Well. The text you've written above does not, in any way, correspond to your original post which was, no matter how you read it, having a go at us for preferring lossless files of recordings, regardless of the source, over other lossy formats. If that wasn't your intent then you should have been clearer with your comment. We get so many dickheads on this website that it inevitably invites other members to have a go back and that's what's happened here. As for the quality of the recordings in the first place, the tapers did their best with the equipment they could afford at the time and all praise to them for having the balls to take the risk of getting caught just so the rest of the Queen family can listen to the performance even if they can't experience how it "felt" to actually be there. The bass at some concerts I've been to has made my chest thump and my ears distort after only 15 minutes and I've actually had more enjoyment from listening to my "poor quality" recordings and actually being able to hear lyrics, than I did being there! So. Each to their own. The point is: regardless of the actual sound quality of the recording, we'd all prefer (and strive!) for a lossless recording of it, so please don't take the piss out of us for that, intentionally or otherwise. On a final note, I think I speak for us all when I say that we look forward to hearing what you've done with The Works, Live Killers & Elland Road recordings and thank you in advance for sharing them with us :) |
horse feathers 10.03.2012 12:43 |
Dear fallenqueen, I never heard a 'recording' of the indoor shows, I was there to hear them live. I suggest you get that book, 'How to read'. You may take on board what people are actually saying then, instead of trying to pick holes, to look clever. Brian's wig, yes good points and I apologise for coming across as being 'a bit smart'. Your points are all valid. The point I was trying to make got lost, I will try to explain what I meant. The best version of the nights recording is always going to be the taped audience member version. Everytime you play the tape, even if played on the origional machine that recorded it, is going to be different. Each play also degrades the tape. When it is then transferred to Flac, it becomes digital as you know. Digital is all 1's and 0's, binary, as you know again. But digital isn't pure sound, it doesn't create sound waves, there is no gradual curve, but points, like a bar chart, which doesn't give a true reflection of what has been recorded. It is too clean and creates things that aren't really there, but what it percieves to be there. This is why all the early digital transfers were garbage. For one the sound won't distort, like anologue, but clips, which means it can't quite reproduce it. The Beatles albums had sounds on them that dogs could pick up. On the CD's of these albums those sounds aren't on them. Also Simon and Garfunkels early CD's couldn't be done, because of the tape delays they was using, they were running the tape loops round chair legs and stuff in the studio, which couldn't at the time be reproduced digitally. My point is Flac isn't lossles, it can't be. But anologue can be, even though it will produce natural and harmonic sounds, which will benifit it, in most cases. Digital is too pure and cold. Digital is improving all the time, some great stuff out there. Take a look at Melodyne Editor, for example, with that you can pick out individual notes and change them. Like 'Don't Stop Me Now' it took me seconds to correct Freddies Bum note, you can't do that with anologue. My point is, there is no such thing as lossles. Sorry again, No hard feelings, Paul. |
The Real Wizard 10.03.2012 13:35 |
As a professional studio engineer myself, I have to respectfully disagree. "Digital is too pure and cold." ^ that is an opinion, not a fact. The analog vs digital debate will forever go on. But that really isn't what we're talking about here. Lossless means maintaining what was created in the original transfer to digital - regardless of its source. FLAC is WAV, just compressed to about half the size but maintaining the quality. Mp3 removes certain frequencies, whereas FLAC retains them all. It's like WinZip - you can go back and forth as many times as you want. The original WAV file will remain intact. Even the file date and time will revert back to its original creation date after the FLAC is decoded to WAV. It doesn't matter if it's a pristine studio recording or a live recording done in someone's pocket 40 years ago in the back row of an arena. The point of FLAC is to preserve what is there, however much or little. No matter the recording or source - convert the WAV to mp3 and quality is irreversibly lost. Any bitrate below 160 kbps will even be audible to most ears. Every online collecting community for old concert recordings uses FLAC as its primary format. What alternative would you suggest? |
thefallenqueen 10.03.2012 13:45 |
Maybe you should join a "Godfathers of sound engineering"-forum for discussions like this dear horse feathers. This is a place for sharing AMATEUR recordings. I have no doubt that you've been to some 1984 shows but as you wrote you cleaned up some works stuff and the works concerts were indoor shows as far as I know! Or did you work on the studio recordings? |
people on streets 10.03.2012 17:04 |
horse feathers wrote: Brians Wig. The bottom line is, they are all crap recordings.FUCK YOU! |
brians wig 10.03.2012 17:55 |
Come on "People On Streets". There's no need to get so aggressive and Paul DID explain himself. |
people on streets 10.03.2012 18:19 |
Yes. And still he's talking crap like: "I suggest you get that book, 'How to read'. You may take on board what people are actually saying then, instead of trying to pick holes, to look clever." If you ask me HE is the one trying to pick holes to look clever. What is he doing here in a topic where a great RT solo show is being shared in FLAC saying all those recordings are crap? No wonder tapers don't like to share their recordings... |
people on streets 10.03.2012 18:23 |
The Real Wizard wrote: As a professional studio engineer myself, I have to respectfully disagree."Digital is too pure and cold."^ that is an opinion, not a fact. The analog vs digital debate will forever go on. But that really isn't what we're talking about here.Lossless means maintaining what was created in the original transfer to digital - regardless of its source. FLAC is WAV, just compressed to about half the size but maintaining the quality. Mp3 removes certain frequencies, whereas FLAC retains them all. It's like WinZip - you can go back and forth as many times as you want. The original WAV file will remain intact. Even the file date and time will revert back to its original creation date after the FLAC is decoded to WAV.It doesn't matter if it's a pristine studio recording or a live recording done in someone's pocket 40 years ago in the back row of an arena. The point of FLAC is to preserve what is there, however much or little.No matter the recording or source - convert the WAV to mp3 and quality is irreversibly lost. Any bitrate below 160 kbps will even be audible to most ears.Every online collecting community for old concert recordings uses FLAC as its primary format. What alternative would you suggest?Well said. |
people on streets 10.03.2012 20:11 |
Ale Solan wrote:Awesome!people on streets wrote:Not actually, but I can give it a go!Ale Solan wrote:thanks for sharing your experience with us Khizzy!shouldn't take long to see the vid being shared over here... ;DAre you in contact with the taper / someone who has the video? |
MadTheSwine73 10.03.2012 20:52 |
Thanks! |
Mkls 11.03.2012 06:04 |
Actually I did spend two months' of salary at that time to go on this tour from Hungary, travel around, book hotels, buy equipment and record this "crap", which roughly would be 2000 eur in todays money, inflation corrected. I was under extreme stress when recording these (even you can hear Roger at one time spotting me and making fun...) . Just to give an idea to horsefeathers, "sound engineer". I can assure you the masters are far from crap, in fact this x gen copy sounds a lot worse than the originals (even though at that time i gave away 1st gen CD copies without trade restrictions...). Sorry to sound like an smartass (which i am probably, as most will agree haha) , but your remarks about flac and not flac and the quality of recordings indeed made me annoyed! |
Mkls 11.03.2012 09:18 |
link link my addition to this topic now. Please dont do the usual stuff of QZ messages , ie no need for thanking me, calling me a hoarder, begging, threatening , promising instant death etc etc. Thats something i can add now, one day everything will all be public domain. |
brians wig 11.03.2012 11:32 |
Miklos wrote: Please dont do the usual stuff of QZ messages , ie no need for thanking me, calling me a hoarder, begging, threatening , promising instant death etc etc. Thats something i can add now, one day everything will all be public domain.Seriously. Do people here REALLY call you a hoarder if you do something that 99.9+% of folks don't have the balls to do and take the risk of making either a video or audio recording of a concert? I call you an absolute star for doing it and you SHOULD be thanked :) |
Ale_Pisa 11.03.2012 13:00 |
Thank you |
people on streets 11.03.2012 13:15 |
Miklos wrote: link link my addition to this topic now. Please dont do the usual stuff of QZ messages , ie no need for thanking me, calling me a hoarder, begging, threatening , promising instant death etc etc. Thats something i can add now, one day everything will all be public domain.Should've known it was you. Cool video! |
people on streets 11.03.2012 13:15 |
Miklos wrote: Actually I did spend two months' of salary at that time to go on this tour from Hungary, travel around, book hotels, buy equipment and record this "crap", which roughly would be 2000 eur in todays money, inflation corrected. I was under extreme stress when recording these (even you can hear Roger at one time spotting me and making fun...) . Just to give an idea to horsefeathers, "sound engineer". I can assure you the masters are far from crap, in fact this x gen copy sounds a lot worse than the originals (even though at that time i gave away 1st gen CD copies without trade restrictions...). Sorry to sound like an smartass (which i am probably, as most will agree haha) , but your remarks about flac and not flac and the quality of recordings indeed made me annoyed!Indeed. |
Ale Solan 11.03.2012 22:44 |
brians wig wrote:Miklos wrote: Please dont do the usual stuff of QZ messages , ie no need for thanking me, calling me a hoarder, begging, threatening , promising instant death etc etc. Thats something i can add now, one day everything will all be public domain.Seriously. Do people here REALLY call you a hoarder if you do something that 99.9+% of folks don't have the balls to do and take the risk of making either a video or audio recording of a concert? I call you an absolute star for doing it and you SHOULD be thanked :) that's amazing Miklos! you beat me/us to it in terms to contact the taper of the video version... as Dave said, you should be thanked and I really thank you for recording this gig and whenever you feel like sharing it, it'll be welcomed, thanks again Miklos! that's really kind of you ;D |
tassilo 12.03.2012 13:29 |
Great! Thanks a lot. |
OwenSmith 16.03.2012 19:50 |
bokkepoot wrote: For everybody who prefers torrents:Shame there's no seeds. |
Jasonicus 17.03.2012 08:15 |
Hello! A quick note of thanks to the person who recorded and uploaded this, I'm not a collector as such, just a fan who was there that evening and is enjoying reliving it a little as I type! I was a student then, having become a big Queen fan as a teenager, back then the band were pretty well out of fashion, Freddie gone, no west end musicals or reunion tours on the horizon, at the time this and the Brian tour a few months earlier felt the closest we were ever going to get to see Queen live. The Brian show we saw was in Sheffield at the City Hall, a big but not arena sized venue, whereas this was a proper intimate venue in my home city of Norwich, was fantastic to be so close up to it all... we were thankful that this drummer couldn't sell out bigger venues for that reason! Of course later came the reunion tours and the band and Paul Rodgers very kindly went and filmed the show we were at in Sheffield for us, then went to Liverpool for the Cosmos Rocks tour too, each of which was fantastic... but these earlier shows are fond memories so once again, thanks very much for bringing them back to life on here :o) PS - don't suppose anyone's got recordings of that Brian show in 1998 at Sheffield City Hall?! |
OwenSmith 19.03.2012 03:36 |
Can someone please seed the torrent, I am a measly 115MB short of completion and there are two peers connected to me on the same amount (66.5%). |
thefallenqueen 19.03.2012 08:00 |
I'm seeding now but for some reason I do not have the info.txt file that's why I can offer only 99,5%. Hopefully bokkepoot will re-seed to complete this share. |
OwenSmith 19.03.2012 15:28 |
Ironically the info.txt file is the only part that cannot be reconstructed from the downloads and flikr stream in this thread. |
Ale Solan 19.03.2012 15:59 |
OwenSmith wrote: Ironically the info.txt file is the only part that cannot be reconstructed from the downloads and flikr stream in this thread.can't you download the mediafire links? |
Ale Solan 19.03.2012 16:14 |
Ale Solan wrote:I wonder why Marco didn't upload the same files I did on mediafire so I can help seeding the torrent...OwenSmith wrote: Ironically the info.txt file is the only part that cannot be reconstructed from the downloads and flikr stream in this thread.can't you download the mediafire links? |
OwenSmith 25.03.2012 16:36 |
I have the complete torrent, a seed turned up. Question: is everyone else getting a second or two dropout in Disc 2 Track 5? |
Ale Solan 25.03.2012 16:57 |
OwenSmith wrote: I have the complete torrent, a seed turned up. Question: is everyone else getting a second or two dropout in Disc 2 Track 5?yeap, that's the way we all got the recording ;) |
OwenSmith 26.03.2012 10:02 |
Ale Solan wrote:Thanks, I thought maybe I had a corrupt file and I was going to try downloading it again.OwenSmith wrote: Question: is everyone else getting a second or two dropout in Disc 2 Track 5?yeap, that's the way we all got the recording ;) |
bokkepoot 27.03.2012 09:58 |
I'm not seeding very much at the moment because of the mediafire project. Later this month everything must work correctly with that project and I can continue seeding on all the queenzone torrents. For the moment i'm seeding for a few hours this torrent until it is complete. The text-file was added because there was none in the original share. |