| k-m 07.01.2012 12:03 |
Hi, I was reading various reviews of Made in Heaven today and was rather baffled by the journalists' complete lack of knowledge of when the songs were actually recorded. Almost every review I read states the vocals were recorded almost entirely in 1990 and 1991. So, I just wanted to clarify, hopefully with your help guys, when the vocals were actually laid for these songs. Please note, I'm talking about the vocals only, not the backing music. Also, I'm not sure if Freddie re-recorded any of his earlier vocals, specifically for this release (on songs like Let Me Live or My Life...)? To start off, here's a list of my guesses (I have no factual knowledge either, I just follow various discussions, interviews, articles, etc.): It's a Beautiful Day Vocals recorded during The Game sessions in 1980 Made in Heaven Vocal track from 1985 used Let Me Live Freddie's vocals recorded during Hot Space sessions - 1981 or 1982 Mother Love 1991 My Life Has Been Saved The Miracle sessions - 1988 I Was Born to Love You Vocal track from 1985 used with little snippets from other songs Heaven for Everyone 1988 Too Much Love Will Kill You The Miracle sessions - 1988/89 You Don't Fool Me Hot Space era - 1981/82 A Winter's Tale 1991 So, this leaves us with only two new vocal tracks, am I right? |
| And91 07.01.2012 12:15 |
I've heard some people say that You Don't fool me vocals was record in 1991, but i've heard too it was recorded during the Hot Space sessions. What is the true ? |
| pittrek 07.01.2012 12:18 |
There was once a nice thread about this topic, I try to find it. And yes, You Don't Fool Me was from 1991 if I remember correctly Read this : link |
| Ale Solan 07.01.2012 12:38 |
Three tracks with "new" vocals: Mother Love, Winter's Tale and You Don't Fool Me. |
| k-m 07.01.2012 13:01 |
Freddie's voice on YDFM does sound a little bit 'thin' (although it's a great performance imo!), so I could agree it's a post-Innuendo re-take, but I don't think we have any definitive info on this? Anyway, quite an achievement to build a coherent album around 2 - 3 new songs. |
| ANAGRAMER 07.01.2012 13:13 |
Let me live The track was started in Los Angeles (with Rod Stewart) - The Works sessions - 1983 You Don't Fool me Almost certainly a post Innuendo track Too much love will kill you Originally from The Miracle sessions (demo exists somewhere) My Life has been Saved Was released in 1989 as b-sibe for Scandal - almost certainly Miracle sessions |
| Ale Solan 07.01.2012 15:26 |
k-m wrote: Freddie's voice on YDFM does sound a little bit 'thin' (although it's a great performance imo!), so I could agree it's a post-Innuendo re-take, but I don't think we have any definitive info on this? Anyway, quite an achievement to build a coherent album around 2 - 3 new songs. ************ YDFM, as I said, is definately post Innuendo sessions, thin voice? that doesn't mean a "younger" voice, it's pretty obvious that Freddie's voice sounds "older" and going thru his disease. It's a pretty common mistake to confuse GH III sleeve notes about YDFM being from the Hot Space sessions. Again, YDFM IS NOT FROM THAT ERA. Period. ; ) |
| Regor 07.01.2012 16:48 |
YDFM stems from the post-innuendo sessions, and consisted of just of a few vocal takes over the bass/guitar-lick, stunningly constructed and re-arranged by David Richards (Sebastian can shed some light on this, I'm sure). The description in GHIII was capable of being misunderstood, as it sort of placed it in a context of the sparse and rhythm'n'dance kinda tracks of Hot Space. One of my favourite songs (despite the fact that I have some issues with MIH, but that's a different topic), by the way. |
| k-m 07.01.2012 17:59 |
Yeah, YDFM is one of my favourite songs too! I never understand when people critisize it for being "repetitive". And yes, I took my guess from the GH3 sleeve notes. But Alex, how can you be so sure it was recorded after the Innuendo sessions, did you see any interviews or sth.? I also disagree that Freddie sounded "obviously older" in his recent years. Quite the opposite IMO. Overall, his voice started to bear resemblance to that of his early recordings, from the 70s, but it was also strained in some strange way. Usually, when singers get older their voice becomes more deep, lower. You can't really say it about Freddie? |
| 4 x Vision 12.01.2012 15:35 |
I've made this point before about his voice in 1990-91. The painkillers and steroids he took (as confirmed in one of the biographies i've read) definitely would have had an impact on the way he sounded... and probably for the better. Opiate painkillers work wonders on the throat and chest, codeine in particular used to be used commercialy to combat severe coughing in patients. The Mother Love vocals, which rightfully were highlighted by Roger on the Days of our lives documentary, are stunning. And if brian is right... he only did "three" takes!!! Superb. In my opinion, combined with the vodka he took before takes, would have given him the vocal strength (and dutch courage) to really belt songs out. As mentioned above, at his age you'd expect a much deeper register (like on magic tour), yet he sings songs like Show Must Go On, Innuendo, Don't Try So Hard, winter's Tale etc with a very youthful freddie sound. |
| 4 x Vision 12.01.2012 15:37 |
You Don't Fool me though is crap imo. It's not just the "repetitiveness" of it.... it's just a bad song. Can't believe they released it here in the UK. Very weak by their high standards |
| matt z 25.01.2012 15:15 |
You Don't Fool Me.... GREAT FARKING SONG.... just my two cents. a great "F-you" song with a spicy, absolutely rocking guitar solo. And yes it is simplistic for them. so were I Want It All and I Want To Break Free |
| joesilvey 27.01.2012 08:55 |
4 x Vision wrote: You Don't Fool me though is crap imo. It's not just the "repetitiveness" of it.... it's just a bad song. Can't believe they released it here in the UK. Very weak by their high standards-------------------------------------------- from what i've read, YDFM was painstakingly sewn together from literally just a few scraps of vocals and fashioned into the recording we know. With that knowledge, i don't think it's fair to judge its songwriting merit. Furthermore, it's an example of QP actually doing what so many complain here that they never do - go the extra mile, forget that something rare isn't perfect, and let the fans hear it anyway. |
| The Real Wizard 27.01.2012 10:59 |
^ what he said. Considering what little they had to work with, Made In Heaven is a spectacular effort. Even without putting it in perspective, it's still a damn good record. YDFM included. |
| Micrówave 27.01.2012 14:47 |
Made In Heaven would have made a great E.P. but it is far from being a good record. This was a cash-in record. No "Queen album" was going to sell like this ever again, so they took advantage of it and soaked us all. Re-hashes of outtakes are not what a serious fan wanted. Of course, this being your choice: Fred or No Fred, they forced us into choice #1. If it was such a good record, how is it that nothing is ever mentioned or played from this album. Queen tracks are being played on the radio and TV spots now... but they (thankfully) left MIH and Innuendo out of that rotation. Hoop Diddy Doo. |
| The Real Wizard 27.01.2012 15:35 |
Micrówave wrote: "If it was such a good record, how is it that nothing is ever mentioned or played from this album. ================== Quality = media attention? You're playing that card? Really? Made In Heaven has sold 20 million copies worldwide - more than any other Queen album besides compilations. Most people couldn't care less that most of the record was leftovers in one way or another. A good record is a good record, regardless of how it came to be. Queen basically ceased to exist in the US after 1982, so the record wasn't marketed. But it did well pretty much everywhere else. |
| FriedChicken 28.01.2012 07:58 |
I have never heard any proof that Let me Live was recorded in 1983. There have been stories of Let Me Live with Rod Stewart. But I have never heard anny official reports on it. Although, even if the track started out in 1983. We can't say for sure that Freddie's vocals were also recorded in 1983. |
| joesilvey 28.01.2012 13:39 |
If you go back to the working track list from The Works discussed here: link it seems "Take Another Little Piece Of My Heart" is on there. That would have to be Let Me Live in whatever form they worked on in 1983... |
| k-m 31.01.2012 14:33 |
Micrówave wrote: Made In Heaven would have made a great E.P. but it is far from being a good record. This was a cash-in record. No "Queen album" was going to sell like this ever again, so they took advantage of it and soaked us all. Re-hashes of outtakes are not what a serious fan wanted. Of course, this being your choice: Fred or No Fred, they forced us into choice #1. If it was such a good record, how is it that nothing is ever mentioned or played from this album. Queen tracks are being played on the radio and TV spots now... but they (thankfully) left MIH and Innuendo out of that rotation. Hoop Diddy Doo.Wow, some nice suggestions in there indeed. Or more precisely - statements. Sometimes, I really don't know what some people are doing on these discussion boards. I mean, if you actually do think what you said above, I assume you must basically loathe them? Because I don't understand how can you be a fan of anyone you accuse of "cashing in" on their friend's death? [Which is completely untrue, because it was Freddie's wish to have these songs released, as opposed to the band's "taking advantage of the opportunity" a new Queen record offered] |
| Sheer Brass Neck 31.01.2012 21:00 |
I love Queen and think their best music is some of the finest art of the last century, And I agree with Microwave wholeheartedly. What does that make me or say about me? |
| freddie1mercury 20.03.2012 11:59 |
It's a Beautiful Day - Recorded in 1980 Made in Heaven - Recorded in 1984 Let Me Live - Recorded in 1983 Mother Love - Recorded in 1991 My Life Has Been Saved - Recorded in 1989 I Was Born to Love You - Recorded in 1984 Heaven for Everyone - Recorded in 1987 Too Much Love Will Kill You - Recorded in 1988 You Don't Fool Me - Recorded in 1991 A Winter's Tale - Recorded in 1991 |
| kthrss5 20.03.2012 14:01 |
brian's solo on YDFM is a real killer. love the track. |
| Sebastian 20.03.2012 19:56 |
There IS an official report on LML beginning in 1983. Brian said so in a 1996 issue of the FC Magazine, while the single was having relative success and he decided to briefly comment on the song. |