| Joey2504 31.12.2010 11:59 |
Hello Folks, Please, around your opinions. I search for a long time a signed Hot Space. Today I received an offer. Here a scan: link what do you think. really or wrong. Or if you cannot decide I suppose fake, however, am not sure. Here this signature is real 100% in my personal collection. I do not sell !! Only for example link Sorry, the picture does not give any more. The signature is from disintegrate very much threatened. From black became light grey :-( Luckily the ballpoint pen pressure is firmly in the cardboard. Thank you for yours answer & Happy New Year@all Sorry for my bad english ;-) |
| lifetimefanofqueen 31.12.2010 14:02 |
it looks real....... |
| Woody43 01.01.2011 06:16 |
I'm not convinced about the signatures, John Deacon's stands out to me as being inconsistent with others I've seen. |
| ferdy 01.01.2011 16:32 |
please don't buy it! |
| Gr8 King Rat 02.01.2011 20:49 |
It looks fake to me! |
| Micrówave 03.01.2011 21:28 |
Unless you were there when it was signed, why bother? There's no way to know for sure, and the people who signed it didn't do that for you. I'd set my sights a little lower. I'm sure that John Waite would be happy to autograph a Bad English CD for you anytime. |
| mandocello 04.01.2011 13:40 |
To paraphrase Bad English - when I see you post, Micro, I see a ray of light. |
| Thistle 04.01.2011 15:18 |
I am 100% certain that all these signatures are fake. Please do not pursue buying the LP, you would only be wasting your cash, whilst also encouraging the cunt who is trying to scam you to churn out some more. I really don't understand why so many people fall for obvious fakes like this on an almost daily basis, especially on fucking ebay where they are rife - and the fat cats at that company allow it, too. People are even buying PRINTS of fakes. AAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!! Rant over. |
| people on streets 09.01.2011 05:21 |
fake. |
| Thistle 10.01.2011 17:08 |
Micrówave wrote: Unless you were there when it was signed, why bother? Hi Microwave, how you keeping? It's been a while! Why bother? - I suppose it's just wanting to own a bit of history. I mean, we weren't there when they recorded their albums, but we still want to hear them lol. Obviously, it's not possible to meet every single one of your heroes (some are lucky to meet any at all), but it is nice to own something they signed, it doesn't matter if you were there to get it in person. I never got the chance to meet Freddie as I was too young to get anywhere near Queen, but it just feels good having his signature in my collection. |
| deleted user 13.01.2011 06:29 |
Question: How can you tell if an autograph for sale is a good fake or a poor genuine one? Simple answer: You can't |
| Thistle 13.01.2011 10:05 |
Kurgan, you've made the samepoint in each of these threads, we get what you're saying man. Point is, you can. Not always, granted, but a fair whack of the time. Like I say, when you spend long enough hunting down autographs, particularly if it's someone specific, you can pick up some pretty decent hints about what's real or not. In each case you've asked this question, they have been obvious fakes. A bit of research goes along way. |
| Vanaisa 19.01.2011 14:19 |
100 % FAKE!!!! |
| Joey2504 20.01.2011 12:20 |
Thank you all! My suspicion has been confirmed. The signatures are faked. And now I have another offer of a signed Magic LP. From a shop assistant I know for over 10 years. I think the signatures are real. What do you mean? |
| deleted user 20.01.2011 16:45 |
Right. They are either good or bad fakes or good or bad genuine autographs. Hope I have made myself clear this time. What I am trying to say is there is no way YOU can ever be sure they are 100% genuine. Get it? |
| Thistle 21.01.2011 05:05 |
kurgan100 wrote: Right. They are either good or bad fakes or good or bad genuine autographs. Hope I have made myself clear this time. What I am trying to say is there is no way YOU can ever be sure they are 100% genuine. Get it? Right Kurgan, I am going to be frank and to the point with you. I hope you understand. Your comments on this are becoming monotonous. We understand what you're saying. We are not thick. I have already acknowledged that you have a point. We know that there's no way of being 100% certain. But You don't have to be so fucking patronising when making your point. DO YOU GET THAT??? |
| Thistle 21.01.2011 05:08 |
Joey2504 wrote: Thank you all! My suspicion has been confirmed. The signatures are faked. And now I have another offer of a signed Magic LP. From a shop assistant I know for over 10 years. I think the signatures are real. What do you mean? I was offered that exact same LP here on QZ for a simple trade. That was 2 years ago. Needless to say, he's still trying to get rid of it. I hope that answers your question. |
| deleted user 21.01.2011 13:27 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Right Kurgan, I am going to be frank and to the point with you. I hope you understand. Your comments on this are becoming monotonous. We understand what you're saying. We are not thick. I have already acknowledged that you have a point. We know that there's no way of being 100% certain. But You don't have to be so fucking patronising when making your point. DO YOU GET THAT??? Reply: I'll say what I like, get it? |
| Thistle 21.01.2011 16:43 |
kurgan100 wrote: Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Right Kurgan, I am going to be frank and to the point with you. I hope you understand. Your comments on this are becoming monotonous. We understand what you're saying. We are not thick. I have already acknowledged that you have a point. We know that there's no way of being 100% certain. But You don't have to be so fucking patronising when making your point. DO YOU GET THAT??? Reply: I'll say what I like, get it? You do whatever you need to do mate, for as long as you like and as long as you're happy. Or at least until your carer puts you to bed for another night. |
| deleted user 22.01.2011 10:59 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: You do whatever you need to do mate, for as long as you like and as long as you're happy. Or at least until your carer puts you to bed for another night. Reply: Yes I will thanks, and I don't need your permission either. Unlike you, I won't resort to swearing or insults. My comments on autographs are based on fact, not guess work like you. You can't seem to make up your mind, as one minute you are 100% certain something is fake, and the next you agree you can never be sure on authenticity. I would also like to be frank, I think anyone who considers buying an autograph is foolish, as is anyone who claims to verify their authenticity (unless they are the seller of course!) A good fake will fool you, and you will never even know. If you think I am being patronizing, that's your affair. I think I am just being blunt and straight to the point. I do hope you understand. |
| Thistle 22.01.2011 16:51 |
kurgan100 wrote: Thistleboy 1980 wrote: You do whatever you need to do mate, for as long as you like and as long as you're happy. Or at least until your carer puts you to bed for another night. Reply: Yes I will thanks, and I don't need your permission either. Unlike you, I won't resort to swearing or insults. My comments on autographs are based on fact, not guess work like you. You can't seem to make up your mind, as one minute you are 100% certain something is fake, and the next you agree you can never be sure on authenticity. I would also like to be frank, I think anyone who considers buying an autograph is foolish, as is anyone who claims to verify their authenticity (unless they are the seller of course!) A good fake will fool you, and you will never even know. If you think I am being patronizing, that's your affair. I think I am just being blunt and straight to the point. I do hope you understand. ============================================================================================= I wasn't giving you permission, I was just stating that it's up to you to do what you want as long as you're happy! RE the swearing - good point, I could have put MY point over better. I didn't need to retaliate with an insult either. But I must correct you when you say that you won't resort to insults - talking down to someone IS insulting. It doesn't matter how you dress it up (i.e you're only "being blunt"), ending a sentence with "get it?" is patronising and I don't think there's a need for it. Sure, get "straight to the point", but please don't try and belittle folk in the process. Petty comments aside, you can't always just say what you want mate. If we went by that logic, then my swearing at you and insulting you was just as valid. I hope that's not the way we are going to continue to be with each other. Thank you for pointing out the flaw in my comments on authenticity. But by way of explaination, I CAN make up my mind - my sentence should have said that there's no way of ALWAYS being certain (although I had already said that previously in the thread). However, I stand by my statement that there are OBVIOUS fakes and that the signatures in question are obvious fakes. I am very confident on that. I have always agreed you with that a good fake will fool you, but I wish you would accept that there are ones that are just laughable and you KNOW they're not right. I wouldn't say that collecting autographs is "foolish". Neither is anyone who offers an opinion on an autograph's authenticity. At the end of the day, it's just that - an opinion - and everyone is entitled to that. I hope that we can just agree to disagree? I know that it's not always possible to get on with each other all the time, and arguments will happen. Can we call it quits on this one? I'm offering you the hand of friendship... |
| deleted user 23.01.2011 06:04 |
Yes, I ill agree to disagree. Just to clarify: I never said it was foolish to collect autographs, only buy them. I agree, you can certainly make your own decisions on autographs for sale (a guess right?) Only problem is if you buy them from a third party, you may never know if you have made the right decision. Even being 99% sure always leaves a nagging doubt, and you said yourself you can never be 100% sure. To me, your whole argument is flawed, you may as well say ALL autographs for sale are possible fakes (which is what I am basically saying) Would you really ever recommend anyone to buy a signature on ebay or the likes based on your guess work? I hope anyone considering buying an autograph can see the logic in this. Handshake NB. Just for fun I could test you on some autographs, but I will admit I have done this before with some so called 'experts' and caught them out. Fancy a try? |
| Thistle 23.01.2011 08:07 |
I think that would be fun, too. Now remember, I never said I was an expert, it's all about opinions. But I'll give it a go! If you want to send pics, my e-mail address is jamesgilchrist10@yahoo.com As a side note, I think I should let you know that one of my mates is a handwriting expert, and another an autograph dealer lol Cheers Kurgan |
| deleted user 23.01.2011 13:10 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: I think that would be fun, too. Now remember, I never said I was an expert, it's all about opinions. But I'll give it a go! If you want to send pics, my e-mail address is jamesgilchrist10@yahoo.com As a side note, I think I should let you know that one of my mates is a handwriting expert, and another an autograph dealer lol Cheers Kurgan Reply: You should do very well then! No. 1 link |
| Holly2003 23.01.2011 15:56 |
Fake. That's not Roger Taylor, it's just a bunch of letters spelling out his name. The real Roger Taylor is much bigger than that. |
| Thistle 23.01.2011 16:23 |
That's a good one, and I would never try and offer advice when I'm not sure. It may be a fake of an early Roger signature but It is very neat handwriting, and the first "R" in Roger looks good as does the "g" and the "T". That said, I could do that myself (not to pull off a scam lol). The rest is not consistent with anything else I've seen, but the letters I've pointed out do look good. I would have avoided it to be on the safe side as it is not an obvious fake, but it doesn't scream genuine either. Unsure. Nice start Kurgan! |
| deleted user 24.01.2011 03:42 |
No. 2 link |
| Holly2003 24.01.2011 07:41 |
Definitely real. I have the same one on my willie. |
| Joey2504 24.01.2011 11:21 |
Thank you for your opinions My result :HS is wrong, AKOM is real The source of the AKOM is also serious and reliable |
| Joey2504 24.01.2011 11:34 |
Roger In Person 2008 Cologne link |
| Thistle 24.01.2011 16:19 |
IKurgan, I think your second pic is rushed, but is real. I would probably not have bought it though because it's so scrappy. |
| deleted user 24.01.2011 16:33 |
No. 3 link |
| Thistle 24.01.2011 16:50 |
Fake. Btw, are they all going to be RT lol? |
| deleted user 24.01.2011 16:57 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Fake. Btw, are they all going to be RT lol? Reply: No, I'm just making it easier for you! No.4 link |
| Thistle 24.01.2011 17:23 |
I think fake again. |
| deleted user 24.01.2011 17:29 |
No. 5 link |
| Thistle 24.01.2011 18:29 |
Genuine early signature I think. Also, the first Roger one you showed has been niggling away at me and, after speaking with another collector, I'm going to go all out and say it's real. I wasn't sure at first, but I'm going to go with genuine! (if OK?) |
| deleted user 25.01.2011 04:45 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Genuine early signature I think. Also, the first Roger one you showed has been niggling away at me and, after speaking with another collector, I'm going to go all out and say it's real. I wasn't sure at first, but I'm going to go with genuine! (if OK?) Reply: Well, that would depend on who the 'other' collector is. No.6 link |
| Thistle 25.01.2011 09:23 |
Looks good, but I don't think it's right. |
| deleted user 25.01.2011 11:38 |
No. 7 link |
| thefallenqueen 25.01.2011 15:12 |
Definately fake... |
| deleted user 25.01.2011 15:16 |
thefallenqueen wrote: Definately fake... Two posts? Hmmm |
| Thistle 25.01.2011 15:57 |
kurgan100 wrote: thefallenqueen wrote: Definately fake... Two posts? Hmmm Never mind that - whether I'm right or wrong on them, I am enjoying this game so keep them comin! |
| deleted user 26.01.2011 02:36 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: kurgan100 wrote: thefallenqueen wrote: Definately fake... Two posts? Hmmm Never mind that - whether I'm right or wrong on them, I am enjoying this game so keep them comin! Reply: I have kept them coming, you haven't answered No. 7 |
| Thistle 26.01.2011 13:04 |
Oh shit, thought I had added that reply - fake. |
| deleted user 26.01.2011 14:47 |
No. 8 link |
| Thistle 26.01.2011 14:52 |
That looks like a duffer as well. Nothing like any of the Brian ones I have (I have had one signed in front of me and a couple that a mate obtained for me, in person). |
| deleted user 26.01.2011 15:02 |
No. 9 link |
| Thistle 26.01.2011 15:25 |
That looks better. Genuine. |
| deleted user 26.01.2011 15:35 |
No. 10 link |
| Thistle 26.01.2011 15:45 |
I think that one's fake. |
| deleted user 26.01.2011 15:48 |
No 11 link |
| Thistle 26.01.2011 16:06 |
It's not the best of images, that - but I'm going to go for genuine early signature. |
| deleted user 26.01.2011 16:09 |
No. 12 link |
| Thistle 26.01.2011 16:35 |
You'll never, ever convince me that's genuine. Fake! |
| deleted user 26.01.2011 16:47 |
No. 13 link |
| Thistle 26.01.2011 16:54 |
Fake. |
| deleted user 26.01.2011 17:00 |
No. 14 link |
| Thistle 26.01.2011 17:13 |
Wheras all the pics you've shown thus far lean towards proving your point, this one proves mine - it's one of those fucking waste of space OBVIOUS fakes. |
| deleted user 26.01.2011 17:23 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Wheras all the pics you've shown thus far lean towards proving your point, this one proves mine - it's one of those fucking waste of space OBVIOUS fakes. Reply: OK steady on! May be you can make mistakes even on 'OBVIOUS' fakes? We'll make this the last one It's a scan from an original photo from my personal collection. No.15 link |
| Thistle 26.01.2011 18:08 |
very nice! Noel Fielding does look a lot like Freddie in that picture, it's obviously a fake lol So what's the results? |
| deleted user 27.01.2011 02:49 |
The results - good question. The very nature of this test means you have to be honest with yourself. I can only provide you with accurate and honest information. I'll let you do the maths, please let me know what you think you have scored out of 14. No.1 You were unsure but then 'certain' it was genuine! It is in fact a Queen fan club christmas message from 1991. link No. 2 You said rushed but real It is from a letter I got signed personally at the Break Free video shoot in 1984. link No.3 You said fake This signature is from a Works LP I won that was donated by the fan club for a Queen convention raffle. link No.4 You said fake This is from a limited edition original print I won at a Queen convention auction. It was already signed by the artist and I asked Jacky from the fan club if she could get Roger to sign it for me as it was his idea to get it adapted for NOTW album cover. After a very long wait of months on end, I finally got it back. link No.5 You said real A letter signed by Freddie. link No.6 You said looks good but not right This signature is from the same Works LP that was donated by the fan club for a convention raffle. No.7 You said fake It is from the same letter I got signed personally at the Break Free video shoot. No.8 You said was a duffer Well it was my first try! I tried to copy a random 'autograph' image from google. I have no idea if it was a genuine one in the first place. No.9 You said was genuine This signature is from the same Works LP that was donated by the fan club for a convention . raffle. No.10 You said was fake It is from the same letter I got signed personally at the Break Free video shoot. No.11 You said was genuine I got this personally from John in Hamleys Toy shop in London in 1976. link No.12 You said You'll never, ever convince me that's genuine. Fake! It is from the same letter I got signed personally at the Break Free video shoot. No.13 You said fake This signature is from the same Works LP that was donated by the fan club for a convention. raffle. No.14 You said obvious fake This was another random 'autograph' image I found when searching Queen autographs in google. I , of course cannot comment on it's authenticity. For all I know, the band may have all signed it for each other! I simply don't know, and neither do you if you are really honest. I think the original poster went for an item you told him was fake, if he did I think he's a mug. Not because you told him it was fake, but because neither of you really know for sure. At the end of the day, you have to be 100% sure either way, especially if you are influencing somebody elses decision to buy. Check your score again, and ask yourself if are you are really in a position to do that? |
| Thistle 27.01.2011 07:43 |
Ha! some interesting and mixed results, just as I had anticipated! But let's get this into perspective - I've never claimed to be an expert and have only offered opinions (where they've been asked for). Where I don't know, I don't offer an opinion. But I have enjoyed this "test"! To be fair, I think we should eliminate 3, 4, 6, 9 and 13 as they originated from the fan club offices and weren't obtained in person - we all know what the fan club were guilty of doing for a while (as have all fan clubs). IMHO, they don't look right. Of course, I couldn't be certain (neither can you) but I would avoid buying them. From the others, I got 6 out of 9, so my judgement is not too bad. I am surprised by the state of the others you got signed "in person". And, of course, there are obvious fakes - and I will maintain the one's I have said are obvious fakes are just that. This has been a very interseting topic indeed Kurgan, has been a pleasure talking with you. And I'm glad we've managed to bury the hatchet in the process. |
| deleted user 27.01.2011 08:08 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Let's get this into perspective - OK, I think we should eliminate 3, 6, 9 and 13 as they originated from the fan club offices - and we all know what the fan club were guilty of doing for a while. Reply: Talking of perspective, there are two sides regarding that particular argument. There are also some legal implications, so I will keep this brief. It's only fair the accused is given a right to reply, so here is an email statement I received a few years back. I had permission to post it by the way, and I have my own opinion on the matter but would not force it upon anyone. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jacky Smith To: Mark Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 1:38 PM Subject: Re: Signed items Hi Mark! I can assure you that ALL of your signatures are completely genuine - including John Deacons! There seems to be a campaign by a certain set of people right now to discredit myself and the fan club when it comes to autographs, I have had many fans with perfectly genuine autographs email me after putting them on Ebay, as they were contacted by these people and told their signatures were fakes if they were obtained through the FC. it's all complete rubbish, but it IS beginning to a) make me mad and b) damage my reputation amongst fans and collectors. Jacky x |
| Thistle 27.01.2011 08:40 |
Well, Jacky told me that a signed LP I had was genuine and it turned out not to be! Also, an old boss of mine was sent something by the fan club after he had been mugged in the street for his new Queen LPs (he was 13 at the time) and told his story to the QFC. They sent him a signed "One Vision" poster. The signatures looked almost exactly like number 14 in your list. I know that not every signature they did will look the same, but there's also no way they'd change so drastically. I have no doubt that some of the fan club issues are genuinely signed by Queen. I also believe that the QFC have signed on behalf of the band - that's not being disrespectful to Jacky, it's what most fan clubs do. But everyone is entitled to their opinion. |
| deleted user 27.01.2011 09:13 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Well, Jacky told me that a signed LP I had was genuine and it turned out not to be! Reply: How did you come to this conclusion? |
| deleted user 27.01.2011 09:15 |
..........and did you get it through the fan club? |
| thefallenqueen 27.01.2011 11:47 |
Interesting discussion, my opinion: 1 gen 2 gen 3 fake 4 fake 5 gen 6 looks good, but on fake works album cover??? 7 fake 8 fake 9 gen 10 gen 11 gen 12 fake 13 fan club fake – go and ask Jacky J 14 typical fan club fake from late 80s By the way, please do not rely on Jacky - that's rediculous, there are a lot of obvious fakes from the Miracle years sent out by Jacky an the fan club... (see ANATO p.e.) |
| deleted user 27.01.2011 12:24 |
I thought you might be back. So I faked an autograph of Freddie and John at the Break free video shoot for my own personal collection? The big difference here is I KNOW it's genuine, where as you know nothing. |
| thefallenqueen 27.01.2011 12:31 |
Oh I'm sorry for posting my personal opinion here, didn't know this is a forum for cheating and offending each other. You never can say if an autograph is genuine or not especially if you judge only one of four - or do you really believe you can say if a Brian's signature from the last years is genuine or not? Can be faked very easily. Hot space is obviously fake - Magic cover is genuine in my mind. |
| deleted user 27.01.2011 12:46 |
thefallenqueen wrote: No.6 You said looks good but not right This signature is from the same Works LP that was donated by the fan club for a convention raffle. Reply: I am talking about No. 7 you listed as fake (twice!) and No.12 |
| thefallenqueen 27.01.2011 12:54 |
if you received it in person than you should know best... still think it looks very untypical and I'd never buy such an ugly autograph, genuine or not! having seen Roger's and Brian's I'd say genuine, that's the same as Magic cover, Brian's is absolutely perfect, no matter what others say about it, rest could be discussed. |
| deleted user 27.01.2011 12:58 |
thefallenqueen wrote: if you received it in person than you should know best... still think it looks very untypical and I'd never buy such an ugly autograph, genuine or not! Reply: That's very good then, you don't need to buy it because I am not selling it! It's made out to me you see? You are perfectly entitled to your opinion, but honestly it doesn't matter a hoot what you or anybody else thinks is genuine or not as it all guess work! |
| thefallenqueen 27.01.2011 13:10 |
no 4 is still poor fake... though it's a nice story, go and ask Jacky WHO signed it |
| Thistle 28.01.2011 03:11 |
kurgan100 wrote: Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Well, Jacky told me that a signed LP I had was genuine and it turned out not to be! Reply: How did you come to this conclusion? Because the seller later admitted it!!!! |
| deleted user 28.01.2011 03:52 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: kurgan100 wrote: Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Well, Jacky told me that a signed LP I had was genuine and it turned out not to be! Reply: How did you come to this conclusion? Because the seller later admitted it!!!! Reply: Well this kind of sums it up for me. You purchased an autograph that the seller later admitted was fake? First of all I thought you may have got it from the fan club, but now I presume you just asked Jacky if it was a fake? If so, then perhaps she would have made guess? When the seller later informed you, did he admit faking it himself? It's like I've being saying all along, never BUY autographs and don't listen to anyone who tries to verify authenticity. I'm not defending anyone here, just trying to clarify the sequence of events. Is the seller dead now? |
| deleted user 28.01.2011 03:54 |
thefallenqueen wrote: do you really believe you can say if a Brian's signature from the last years is genuine or not? Reply: Who are you asking? |
| deleted user 28.01.2011 03:55 |
thefallenqueen wrote: no 4 is still poor fake... though it's a nice story, go and ask Jacky WHO signed it Reply: OK, thanks. I'll chuck it now, as I know you are 100% sure. |
| Thistle 28.01.2011 04:34 |
The chain of events is this: 1 - saw NOTW signed LP (Brian, Roger and John) on ebay at low starting price. 2 - as I hadn't dabbled with Queen autographs before, I sent the picture to Jacky. She authenticated it as, without any doubt in her mind, 100% genuine. Not a chance it was a fake. 3 - Won the auction. 4 - A fellow collector compares with his collection (most signed in person) and has doubts about mine. 5 - I contact the seller, who says he bought it as part of a job lot, is a one-off, and was sold in good faith. 6 - Seller later has tonnes more, all looking exactly the same. 7 - I contact him again 8 - he eventually admits that he knows they're likely fakes, but has been getting "rid" of them. He didn't admit to personally doing the signatures. 9 - won paypal dispute. |
| deleted user 28.01.2011 04:53 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: The chain of events is this: 1 - saw NOTW signed LP (Brian, Roger and John) on ebay at low starting price. 2 - as I hadn't dabbled with Queen autographs before, I sent the picture to Jacky. She authenticated it as, without any doubt in her mind, 100% genuine. 3 - Wn the auction. 4 - A fellow collector compares with his collection (most signed in person) and has doubts about mine. 5 - I contact the seller, who says he bought it as part of a job lot, is a one-off, and was sold in good faith. 6 - Seller later has tonnes more, all looking exactly the same. 7 - I contact him again 8 - he eventually admits that he know they're likely fakes, but has been getting "rid" of them. He didn't admit to personally doing the signatures. 9 - won paypal dispute. Reply: Ok, I see Then it boils down to the fact you accepted the advice of a third party on the verification (authenticity) of an autograph before purchasing it, something I am banging on about NOT doing. I wouldn't even accept a band member to verify their own signature at a later date. My wife can sign my name as good as me, I really can't tell it's not my signature on some of the things she has signed on my behalf. You say he admitted they were likely fakes. You won't like this, but 'likely' and 'definitely' are two different things entirely. |
| Thistle 28.01.2011 05:40 |
Aye, it was him dancing around the fact he knew they were fakes. First, it was a one-off, bought and sold in good faith. Then, he had a load of them. Then another load. And then another...... I've already said, numerous times, I get your point. I can't stess enough I get your point. But I also can't stress enough that everyone has, and is entitled to, their own opinions. And if I'm asked, I'll give that opinion. You have your opinion,I have mine, and we've already agreed to disagree. What's the point in dragging it out???? We're only going round in circles and making the same point over and over again!!! |
