Thistle 01.03.2010 19:55 |
Right guys, I know that a lot of us have been speculating over, dreaming about and arguing the point of the release of new live material. Whether it is snippets from Knebworth, the full Hammy '75 show, Houston '77 or something from the Crazy Tour, we've spoken it over again and again. Tonight, I was trawling through some of the booted DVDs I currently own, and can perhaps see the point of why Queen aren't releasing this stuff. I know there's some clips here and there in the so-called archives, but let's face it - the only full recordings that exist and have not yet seen DVD or HD release are Rainbow '74 (ok, not exactly full but most has survived); Hammersmith '75 and '79, Hyde Park'76; Earls Court and Houston '77; Sao Paolo, Buenos Aires and Caracas '81; Japan '82 and '85; Rio '85 and Budapest '86 and WE ALL already have this in some form or other. Look back on your footage - it's LESS than great. I know the original generations will be in better quality, but I'm talking more along the lines of the actual professionalism of the recordings - for example, during "White Queen" at Earls Court, the camera only appears to focus on Brian. Also the sound cuts during several parts of the show and there are many instances where the shots are out of focus. Hyde Park is full of imperfections also, and this really does continue throughout most of the recordings I've seen (and that includes such footage owned by the "big-hitters"). For me, they just didn't capture the live atmosphere one would expect, like the Wembley and Budapest Shows did. And, apart from that - and I hate to say it - the performances aren't always spot-on either... So, I was thinking that we could, perhaps (and if QPL were keen to make a project of it) settle for the best of what is left, like a "Rare-Live Volume 2" kind of idea? The first one was poorly edited and was full of errors regarding dates and venues, so perhaps it could be re-done to incorporate what we've already seen plus the best of what we haven't seen officially released (and hopefully better than the streaming vids we saw from the AG release!). Any thoughts? I am currently compiling my favourite footage and it consists of the likes of Father To Son (Rainbow); Sweet Lady and You Take My Breath Away (Hyde Park); White Queen and Death On Two Legs (Earls Court); You're My Best Friend and '39 (Houston); Save Me, Don't Stop Me Now and We Will Rock You (Hammersmith '79); If You Can't Beat Them and Dreamers Ball (Paris '79); We Are The Champions (Munich '79); Need Your Loving (Argentina '81); Flash/ Hero (Venezuela '81); Put Out The Fire and Teo Torriatte (Japan '82).....and some of the footage from the PR shows (although just sung by Brian and Roger - Las palabras De Amor and I Was Born To Love You). Finally, knowing what you have in your video collections - what footage would you include in such a release? |
brians wig 02.03.2010 04:18 |
You are correct about some of the video work being less than professional on some concerts, but PLEASE don't start talking about "rare live vol2" as someone from Queen Productions will think that's a great idea and before we know it that'll be another waste of time release we get.... [img=/images/smiley/msn/sad_smile.gif][/img] |
Micrówave 02.03.2010 07:45 |
Yeah, I can do my own Rare Live 2 on youtube. While I did like the idea when it came out, I quickly put this video (Rare Live) on the shelf because the mixes got annoying. I, too, am afraid QPL will do Magic Rare Live and not release the full length Wembley or Budapest. |
pittrek 02.03.2010 08:12 |
Finally, knowing what you have in your video collections - what footage would you include in such a release? Procession - intro from the film "Live at the Rainbow" Son And Daughter - Rainbow 31.3.1974 Modern Times Rock'n'Roll - Rainbow 31.3.1974 Stone Cold Crazy - Rainbow xx.11.1974 Now I'm Here - Budokan 1.5.1975 White Queen (As It Began) - Hammersmith Odeon 24.12.1975 Liar - Hammersmith Odeon 24.12.1975 Bohemian Rhapsody (intro) - Hammersmith Odeon 24.12.1975 Bohemian Rhapsody (the rest) / Ogre Battle - Hyde Park 18.9.1976 The Prophet's Song - Hyde Park 18.9.1976 White Man / The Prophet's Song reprise - Earls Court 6.6.1977 Doing Alright - Earls Court 6.6.1977 Rock'n'roll medley - Earls Court - 7.6.1977 The Millionaire Waltz - Houston 11.12.1977 Let Me Entertain You - Paris 28.2.1979 If You Can't Beat Them - Paris 1.3.1979 Teo Torriate - Budokan 25.4.1979 Jailhouse Rock / We Will Rock You (fast) - Hammersmith Odeon 26.12.1979 Mustapha / Death On Two Legs / Killer Queen / I'm In Love With My Car / Get Down Make Love / You're My Best Friend - Hammersmith Odeon 26.12.1979 Don't Stop Me Now - Hammersmith Odeon 26.12.1979 Keep Yourself Alive / drum solo / guitar solo / Silent Night / Brighton Rock reprise - Hammersmith Odeon 26.12.1979 Sheer Heart Attack - Hammersmith Odeon 26.12.1979 Need Your Lovin' Tonight - Buenos Aires, 1.3.1981 Another One Bites The Dust - Sao Paolo, 20.3.1981 Staying Power - Milton Keynes, 5.6.1982 Somebody To Love - Milton Keynes 5.6.1982 Save Me - Milton Keynes, 5.6.1982 Crazy Little Thing Called Love - Tokorozawa, 3.11.1982 Rock In Rio Blues / A Hard Life - Rio De Janeiro, 19.1.1985 Love Of My Life - Rio De Janeiro, 19.1.1985 We Will Rock You - Wembley, 13.7.1985 A Kind Of Magic - Budapest, 27.7.1986 One Vision - Knebworth Park 9.8.1986 Tie Your Mother Down - Knebworth Park 9.8.1986 Hammer To Fall - Knebworth Park 9.8.1986 We Will Rock You / Friends Will Be Friends / We Are The Champions / God Save The Queen - Knebworth Park 9.8.1986 Enough ? |
queen79luca 02.03.2010 10:55 |
I agree with someone of you. Most of the 70 s shows are not great for cameras, mic problems etc..so quite sure they ll never see the light as an official Dvd..exception for Hammy 75 and Rainbow 74. Another Rare Live? well..before they should correct the first version... |
peterkoz1 02.03.2010 12:38 |
interesting to read all the latest blogs on Queen future releases , lets face it Queen are no longer the selling machine they once where , the cost of producing and releasing everything we all want from yesteryear is not commercially worth it for them. Absolute Greatest needed publicity via BM & RT on X factor !! and still did not make N01 with all them greatest hits on the cd. Post Queen ie QPR , say its not true (even though released for charity) flopped in th uk , c-celebrity scratched the lower end of the top 40 for a week !! and the album although reaching top ten dissapeared a few weeks later. All expensive flops , remember both BM & RT no doubt still split everything 4 ways so i doubt we will ever see anything that may only sell enough to pay fro production. Sad really as we have supported the band for years , you only have to look at The Beatles for a guide , the fans waited 25yrs for Anthologies !!! and thats it nothing else since (well if you include owning a xbox or ps3 as thats were the money is). So My predictions is: Year 2011 - Queen Rock Band 2012 - Queen Lego 2013 - Queen Greatest Hits 1,2,3 DVD special Box Set 2014 - Queen - We will rock you Movie soundtrack 2015 - Queen - anniversary of some sort Greatest Hits 1 - 3D Version !! 2020 - Queen The Magical Years 70, 80, 90,s 10cd , demos b- sides outakes + 2dvd of a concert from each era in super hd/ 3d (the one we have all been waiting for) I will be only 48 !!! ps i expect once there all dead then Eagle Vision will buy up whatever they can and start to sell £3.99p low quality crap for many years to come ! The End........................................? |
queen79luca 02.03.2010 14:34 |
Final live in Japan is already a great concert for picture quality and cameras. Yeah, the sound needs a remix, in most of the parts the keyboard is too high! I don t know if they own the rights for this concert...:( |
Thistle 02.03.2010 14:35 |
pittrek wrote:Finally, knowing what you have in your video collections - what footage would you include in such a release?Procession - intro from the film "Live at the Rainbow" Son And Daughter - Rainbow 31.3.1974 Modern Times Rock'n'Roll - Rainbow 31.3.1974 Stone Cold Crazy - Rainbow xx.11.1974 Now I'm Here - Budokan 1.5.1975 White Queen (As It Began) - Hammersmith Odeon 24.12.1975 Liar - Hammersmith Odeon 24.12.1975 Bohemian Rhapsody (intro) - Hammersmith Odeon 24.12.1975 Bohemian Rhapsody (the rest) / Ogre Battle - Hyde Park 18.9.1976 The Prophet's Song - Hyde Park 18.9.1976 White Man / The Prophet's Song reprise - Earls Court 6.6.1977 Doing Alright - Earls Court 6.6.1977 Rock'n'roll medley - Earls Court - 7.6.1977 The Millionaire Waltz - Houston 11.12.1977 Let Me Entertain You - Paris 28.2.1979 If You Can't Beat Them - Paris 1.3.1979 Teo Torriate - Budokan 25.4.1979 Jailhouse Rock / We Will Rock You (fast) - Hammersmith Odeon 26.12.1979 Mustapha / Death On Two Legs / Killer Queen / I'm In Love With My Car / Get Down Make Love / You're My Best Friend - Hammersmith Odeon 26.12.1979 Don't Stop Me Now - Hammersmith Odeon 26.12.1979 Keep Yourself Alive / drum solo / guitar solo / Silent Night / Brighton Rock reprise - Hammersmith Odeon 26.12.1979 Sheer Heart Attack - Hammersmith Odeon 26.12.1979 Need Your Lovin' Tonight - Buenos Aires, 1.3.1981 Another One Bites The Dust - Sao Paolo, 20.3.1981 Staying Power - Milton Keynes, 5.6.1982 Somebody To Love - Milton Keynes 5.6.1982 Save Me - Milton Keynes, 5.6.1982 Crazy Little Thing Called Love - Tokorozawa, 3.11.1982 Rock In Rio Blues / A Hard Life - Rio De Janeiro, 19.1.1985 Love Of My Life - Rio De Janeiro, 19.1.1985 We Will Rock You - Wembley, 13.7.1985 A Kind Of Magic - Budapest, 27.7.1986 One Vision - Knebworth Park 9.8.1986 Tie Your Mother Down - Knebworth Park 9.8.1986 Hammer To Fall - Knebworth Park 9.8.1986 We Will Rock You / Friends Will Be Friends / We Are The Champions / God Save The Queen - Knebworth Park 9.8.1986 Enough ? That's quite a tracklisting! Very well thought out, I would definitely be interested in a release like this - I don't think that the Millionaire Waltz works though, as it's part of a medley, and the other medleys are too lengthy and lack in quality as said in original post. If they were cut - well enough that is - then they could perhaps be turned into a medley of medleys, lol! |
Thistle 02.03.2010 14:42 |
brians wig wrote: You are correct about some of the video work being less than professional on some concerts, but PLEASE don't start talking about "rare live vol2" as someone from Queen Productions will think that's a great idea and before we know it that'll be another waste of time release we get.... [img=/images/smiley/msn/sad_smile.gif][/img] I totally disagree. I think a project like this would be well worth the effort as it would combine the best of the stuff we're asking for without having to release every full show we crave. As already suggested on this particular thread, it wouldn't be financially worth it for QPL to release the full shows as it would only generate interest from the die-hards and flop like the rest of the recent releases. A compilation of the better quality material from each of the shows we're looking for would still, IMHO, generate interest from us. It could be released as a double disc set and would give the opportunity for them to ammend the original release. I really don't think it would be a waste of time - especially when you see tracklists like the one pittrek has posted above. |
Negative Creep 02.03.2010 15:22 |
Earls Court has already been spruced up hasn't it? A clip was shown on something recentlyish with newly remixed audio - perfectly releaseable and the picture quality pisses all over Milton Keynes and Wembley. There's 2 nights of audio and visuals to choose from, so there's gonna be no problems is there? If QPL don't (for reasons only known to themselves) believe material like that won't sell that well - as a trial, advertise it as a limited edition via QOL and sell direct or release several gigs in a boxset along with a sampler type thing for the general market. QPL know there are hundreads of thousands of fans interested in these gigs - why only release excerpts? And of course - they could always try giving value for money and release full gigs as bonus material like the Who did with their last DVD. The Coliseum show is great to watch - despite the footage not being 100% amazing and the audio clearly being sourced from a vintage mono mix. |
GinjaNinja 02.03.2010 15:42 |
peterkoz1 wrote: Year 2011 - Queen Rock Band 2012 - Queen Lego 2013 - Queen Greatest Hits 1,2,3 DVD special Box Set 2020 - Queen The Magical Years 70, 80, 90,s 10cd , demos b- sides outakes + 2dvd of a concert from each era in super hd/ 3d (the one we have all been waiting for) I will be only 48 !!! £3.99p low quality crapI'd buy all these[img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img] |
Thistle 02.03.2010 18:25 |
Negative Creep wrote: Earls Court has already been spruced up hasn't it? A clip was shown on something recentlyish with newly remixed audio - perfectly releaseable and the picture quality pisses all over Milton Keynes and Wembley. There's 2 nights of audio and visuals to choose from, so there's gonna be no problems is there? If QPL don't (for reasons only known to themselves) believe material like that won't sell that well - as a trial, advertise it as a limited edition via QOL and sell direct or release several gigs in a boxset along with a sampler type thing for the general market. QPL know there are hundreads of thousands of fans interested in these gigs - why only release excerpts? And of course - they could always try giving value for money and release full gigs as bonus material like the Who did with their last DVD. The Coliseum show is great to watch - despite the footage not being 100% amazing and the audio clearly being sourced from a vintage mono mix. Spruced up how mate? You say you saw a clip, but maybe that clip was taken from what footage is actually salvagable from the show - that's why I think excerpts would have been the best way of getting the best of what's left out to us. I don't agree that Earls Court footage was better in quality than MK or Wembley, but your idea of the trial is one worth thinking about for QPL, though - at least that way it would definitely go out to folk who are interested in it and wouldn't bomb, sales-wise. Their idea of the streaming videos was good with the AG release, but the footage was nothing new - and many people bought the special editions of that just to see the rare footage that never materialised. Releasing full but lesser-quality shows to the general public may (probably) just bring more poor sales and further detriment to the Queen name. You know what it's like - we want something and then moan when we get it (recent example the Q+PR tours). |
rubens 02.03.2010 22:33 |
Personally I have no interest in bits and pieces.The first rare live really sucks and I doubt a second one would come better. |
neokaden 03.03.2010 00:32 |
pittrek wrote:I in this setlist, I would get Bohemian Rhapsody (intro) 24.12.1975 Hammersmith Odeon, and Bohemian Rhapsody (rest) Hyde Park 1976.Finally, knowing what you have in your video collections - what footage would you include in such a release?Procession - intro from the film "Live at the Rainbow" Son And Daughter - Rainbow 31.3.1974 Modern Times Rock'n'Roll - Rainbow 31.3.1974 Stone Cold Crazy - Rainbow xx.11.1974 Now I'm Here - Budokan 1.5.1975 White Queen (As It Began) - Hammersmith Odeon 24.12.1975 Liar - Hammersmith Odeon 24.12.1975 Bohemian Rhapsody (intro) - Hammersmith Odeon 24.12.1975 Bohemian Rhapsody (the rest) / Ogre Battle - Hyde Park 18.9.1976 The Prophet's Song - Hyde Park 18.9.1976 White Man / The Prophet's Song reprise - Earls Court 6.6.1977 Doing Alright - Earls Court 6.6.1977 Rock'n'roll medley - Earls Court - 7.6.1977 The Millionaire Waltz - Houston 11.12.1977 Let Me Entertain You - Paris 28.2.1979 If You Can't Beat Them - Paris 1.3.1979 Teo Torriate - Budokan 25.4.1979 Jailhouse Rock / We Will Rock You (fast) - Hammersmith Odeon 26.12.1979 Mustapha / Death On Two Legs / Killer Queen / I'm In Love With My Car / Get Down Make Love / You're My Best Friend - Hammersmith Odeon 26.12.1979 Don't Stop Me Now - Hammersmith Odeon 26.12.1979 Keep Yourself Alive / drum solo / guitar solo / Silent Night / Brighton Rock reprise - Hammersmith Odeon 26.12.1979 Sheer Heart Attack - Hammersmith Odeon 26.12.1979 Need Your Lovin' Tonight - Buenos Aires, 1.3.1981 Another One Bites The Dust - Sao Paolo, 20.3.1981 Staying Power - Milton Keynes, 5.6.1982 Somebody To Love - Milton Keynes 5.6.1982 Save Me - Milton Keynes, 5.6.1982 Crazy Little Thing Called Love - Tokorozawa, 3.11.1982 Rock In Rio Blues / A Hard Life - Rio De Janeiro, 19.1.1985 Love Of My Life - Rio De Janeiro, 19.1.1985 We Will Rock You - Wembley, 13.7.1985 A Kind Of Magic - Budapest, 27.7.1986 One Vision - Knebworth Park 9.8.1986 Tie Your Mother Down - Knebworth Park 9.8.1986 Hammer To Fall - Knebworth Park 9.8.1986 We Will Rock You / Friends Will Be Friends / We Are The Champions / God Save The Queen - Knebworth Park 9.8.1986 Enough ? Instead put Bohemian Rhapsody but the concert for the people of Kampuchea (Hammersmith Odeon 26.12.1979), mainly because Freddie here reaches very high notes, including the "Carry On" See it yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLEKlXgEGOA You add Spread Your Wings (live version of the Hammersmith Odeon 26.12.1979) link |
Back2TheLight 03.03.2010 02:45 |
How about this? If QPL doesn't want to release all the concerts etc. on DVD for commercial purposes, fine. What about making a limited run of these DVD's, make some CD's with the music as well, and make it available on the website, and give half of the proceeds to the Terrence Higgins foundation? No cuts in the shows, no BS. The real deal holyfield, but make just a limited run of them. I think that would go down well...and no on the Rare Live 2, because it seems like an honest waste of time. I would personally have a whole concert to watch/listen to, rather than just 2 or 3 pieces of a show. |
Mkls 03.03.2010 04:22 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Right guys, I know that a lot of us have been speculating over, dreaming about and arguing the point of the release of new live material. Whether it is snippets from Knebworth, the full Hammy '75 show, Houston '77 or something from the Crazy Tour, we've spoken it over again and again. Tonight, I was trawling through some of the booted DVDs I currently own, and can perhaps see the point of why Queen aren't releasing this stuff. I know there's some clips here and there in the so-called archives, but let's face it - the only full recordings that exist and have not yet seen DVD or HD release are Rainbow '74 (ok, not exactly full but most has survived); Hammersmith '75 and '79, Hyde Park'76; Earls Court and Houston '77; Sao Paolo, Buenos Aires and Caracas '81; Japan '82 and '85; Rio '85 and Budapest '86 and WE ALL already have this in some form or other. Look back on your footage - it's LESS than great. I know the original generations will be in better quality, but I'm talking more along the lines of the actual professionalism of the recordings - for example, during "White Queen" at Earls Court, the camera only appears to focus on Brian. Also the sound cuts during several parts of the show and there are many instances where the shots are out of focus. Hyde Park is full of imperfections also, and this really does continue throughout most of the recordings I've seen (and that includes such footage owned by the "big-hitters"). For me, they just didn't capture the live atmosphere one would expect, like the Wembley and Budapest Shows did. And, apart from that - and I hate to say it - the performances aren't always spot-on either... 'Less than great' you say, but your examples here are mostly rough cuts or live TV edits - its like discussing about 'Headlong' , based on the rough Brian demo instead of the 'Innuendo' album release. Earls Court is a rough cut, we don't know how the 2nd night looks in its entire form , we dont know if multi-feed camera footage survives or not. Rainbow is a 50 minute long cut of 2 nights - which can also be great in full form. Japan 79 is still unknown except for 30 mins, and recent findings point to QPL having the multi feed video. Hyde Park footage appearing in recent releases looks great. Wembley 86 was awful in VHS form - and it was an edit done in 86 - only the DVD form made it to a great exciting release. Same goes for Milton Keynes 82 - though the Tube editing was OK, it was incomplete like Rainbow etc... |
Negative Creep 03.03.2010 06:42 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Spruced up how mate? You say you saw a clip, but maybe that clip was taken from what footage is actually salvagable from the show Re-mastered - the picture was crystal clear and the audio had obviously been re-mixed. Not the plain transfer and mono mix that was used as a bonus track with AG. It may have been on the ANATO documentary or sometihng like that. It was only recorded in 1977 - unless it's been stored in very poor conditions it should all be salvagable, and of course there are the seperate multitrack and soundboard recordings. I'm sure it's all already been transferred (and had work done on it). |
Queenman!! 03.03.2010 08:55 |
Didn't we forget "Calling All Girls" from New Haven 1982 TV report ( full version must be in the archives there). |
Soapy Gonad 03.03.2010 10:36 |
Hello QweenZ, I have some rare footage on 8mm film that I would like to submit to an archive, but I lost it up my oathole so now I don't have it anymore. It was of John Deacons fusting himself before stepping on stage to deliver a powerful lecture on how high a bass guitar should be worn. He also got lost up my oathole. When I was listening to Hot Space last night I funked like a demon on a picture of Brian May. I can't stop singing that Ford song he did. It's tits! SG x |
The Real Wizard 03.03.2010 12:17 |
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Releasing full but lesser-quality shows to the general public may (probably) just bring more poor sales and further detriment to the Queen name.I strongly disagree. People understand that old footage may not be great quality. Record sales will never slow down because of DVDs that aren't up to snuff. There are about 10 DVDs of Hendrix shows, mostly from 1969 and 1970. There's no way there isn't enough Queen footage in their vaults that isn't at least equal quality to Hendrix footage that's 5-10 years older. during "White Queen" at Earls Court, the camera only appears to focus on Brian. Also the sound cuts during several parts of the show and there are many instances where the shots are out of focus. This video we have is most likely the feed that was shown live on the two screens at the concert. Even if that isn't the case, the footage the other cameras filmed should still be in the archives, provided that they've stood the test of time. |
Holly2003 03.03.2010 12:41 |
Soapy Gonad wrote: Hello QweenZ, I have some rare footage on 8mm film that I would like to submit to an archive, but I lost it up my oathole so now I don't have it anymore. It was of John Deacons fusting himself before stepping on stage to deliver a powerful lecture on how high a bass guitar should be worn. He also got lost up my oathole. When I was listening to Hot Space last night I funked like a demon on a picture of Brian May. I can't stop singing that Ford song he did. It's tits! SG x Juvenile and stupid, but really funny too. Excelsior! |
Bad Seed 04.03.2010 12:24 |
Sir GH wrote:
This video we have is most likely the feed that was shown live on the two screens at the concert. Even if that isn't the case, the footage the other cameras filmed should still be in the archives, provided that they've stood the test of time.
Were there screens at Earls Court? I know Zep used them but don't think Queen did? |
The Real Wizard 04.03.2010 14:52 |
They definitely did. Someone just sent me a review of the second night (6-7-77) that wrote about the video screen being used, so that's a pretty huge find. link |
Thistle 04.03.2010 15:06 |
Sir GH wrote: I strongly disagree. People understand that old footage may not be great quality. Record sales will never slow down because of DVDs that aren't up to snuff. - Hi Bob! I didn't mean that the quality of the material would result in poor sales. What I was getting at, as we kind of already know about Queen, is that they don't have the cred anymore for stuff like this to generate huge sales through general release - apart from us, nobody cares. If a CD of their greatest can't cut it amongst new buyers these days, then the vintage stuff that we know and love certainly won't. We all, or at least the majority of us (despite the moaning lol) bought AG and Cosmos Rocks, and it still wasn't enough to bolster the Queen name....we all know that, regardless of the quality, we would buy an Earls Court or Hyde Park show if it was released officially (fuck, most of us would buy a recording of Freddie's greatest farts if available) but no one else really gives a toss. We are a dying breed mate, and even at that, we can't agree amongst ourselves. There are about 10 DVDs of Hendrix shows, mostly from 1969 and 1970. There's no way there isn't enough Queen footage in their vaults that isn't at least equal quality to Hendrix footage that's 5-10 years older. That's a great point, but unfortunately we are living in the age of morons mate - it's not cool to like Queen because the singer was, well, a queen who died of Aids. That's laughed at by most of the people I know - it's a running joke to everyone that I like Queen. Even those who maybe like some of their music won't openly admit it - there's a sort of stigma attached to liking Fred. However, it's cool to like a guitarist who snorted himself to death - that's more enviable than dying of a homo-related illness, you know. So that's why, IMHO, Hendrix sells better - apart from the guys who are genuine fans and buy it because any collector will, all the little plebs think it's cool. If it was the other way round, I don't think we'd see the amount of Hendrix releases we have.during "White Queen" at Earls Court, the camera only appears to focus on Brian. Also the sound cuts during several parts of the show and there are many instances where the shots are out of focus.This video we have is most likely the feed that was shown live on the two screens at the concert. Even if that isn't the case, the footage the other cameras filmed should still be in the archives, provided that they've stood the test of time. The footage I have on my boot DVDs appears to be the same footage used when small segments of it are placed as clips in documentaries or the likes of rare live - if they had better, wouldn't they have used that already? What I will say is that this has generated some excellent responses and ideas (limited runs just for sale on the fan site, donations to the TH trust etc) - whilst the suggestion of a rare live 2 is not to everyone's liking, it has got us thinking again about ways they could release this material, if they choose to. I know they won't listen to every single suggestion put out there, but we can live in hope that someone from QPL, someday, will pass by, see conversation like this and think "what a good idea - we should do that, you know". Surely they've got to take some of our ideas on board, at some point? And I've noticed that a little bit of controversy thrown into the mixing bowl gets some of the best from the thinkers on this board. |
Benn Kempster 04.03.2010 15:19 |
Rare Live was a disaster. What makes you think that a follow-up would be treated any better in terms of it's production and the sensitivity of cutting and pasting in the middle of tracks? |
Bad Seed 05.03.2010 06:10 |
Sir GH wrote: They definitely did. Someone just sent me a review of the second night (6-7-77) that wrote about the video screen being used, so that's a pretty huge find. link That is a huge find, and possibly a huge disappointment. I've never been able to find a review mentioning video screens, and therefore assumed they were not used. Because of this, and stuff in Greg's book etc, I thought the cameras were there to film for a potential release. Its now quite possible that the only footage available is the feed to the screens. This would explain why we have zero shots of the crowd as there was no need to film them. Brian said a few years back that they would never release Knebworth as the only footage they had was from the screens, meaning they couldn't do a proper edit. He said there were many bad shots, like staying on a single band member for a long period of time. Im now beginning to wonder if Brian was actually getting Knebworth confused with Earls Court? |
pittrek 05.03.2010 06:46 |
Sir GH wrote: They definitely did. Someone just sent me a review of the second night (6-7-77) that wrote about the video screen being used, so that's a pretty huge find. link Great discovery ! I always wondered why the footage is so absolutely chaotic, and shows only the band. This is the perfect explanation |
Negative Creep 05.03.2010 09:04 |
Isn't this already common knowlege? And anyway - there's plenty of live footage from the 60's and 70's where there's little to no footage of the crowd, I'm not sure why some Queen fans are so obsessed with seeing the audience to be honest. |
Bad Seed 05.03.2010 11:30 |
Certainly not common knowledge to me. I think the only people it may have been common knowledge to are the people who were there, and the people who just assumed screens were used. I also have no problem with not seeing any crowd shots. |
The Real Wizard 05.03.2010 14:10 |
Negative Creep wrote: I'm not sure why some Queen fans are so obsessed with seeing the audience to be honest.It's not the fans as much as it's QP who want the whole package when releasing a DVD. Band shots, audience shots, multi-track audio to fix little mistakes, hit songs, all in very high quality. Thistleboy 1980 wrote: That's a great point, but unfortunately we are living in the age of morons mate - it's not cool to like Queen because the singer was, well, a queen who died of Aids. That's laughed at by most of the people I know - it's a running joke to everyone that I like Queen. Even those who maybe like some of their music won't openly admit it - there's a sort of stigma attached to liking Fred.I think that's dying away. Or at least, I'd like to think so. A good band is a good band. People loved Queen in the 70s, and Freddie looked completely gay. It was only by the 80s when he looked like a gay clubber that his image wasn't so favourable to some. The footage I have on my boot DVDs appears to be the same footage used when small segments of it are placed as clips in documentaries or the likes of rare live - if they had better, wouldn't they have used that already?Fair point. Chances are they don't, especially now that we know the video screens are probably what were recorded. Bad Seed wrote: I thought the cameras were there to film for a potential release. Its now quite possible that the only footage available is the feed to the screens. This would explain why we have zero shots of the crowd as there was no need to film them. Indeed. But luckily there are two nights, so there most likely is enough footage to compile an Earls Court 77 DVD even with mono sound. It would sell as well as any 70s concert DVD from popular bands of the time. People understand that old footage isn't perfect blue-ray quality. Old footage has a certain charm to it. It's a document of 1977, not of 2007. The Who did it with their 1977 Kilburn concert. It's mono sound, it looks old, but it's beyond awesome. |
splicksplack 08.03.2010 09:14 |
Hi For what it's worth, I can confirm that there was a screen on either side of the stage at Earls Court. I can see it now. When I walked into the auditorium the screens were showing that test screen of vertical coloured bars. I don't remember much of what they showed during the show because I was in the front row (thanks to fan club tickets) and that made it difficult (and un-necessary) to view them. I do remember they showed the BoRhap video during the opera section. Another thing you don't see on the bootleg - for the rock'n'roll medley at the end (1st night) when Freddie is wearing a glittery silver number, the camera totally misses his entrance, instead focusing on Brian and John. Freddie actually rises up through a stage floor trap door. |
Negative Creep 08.03.2010 15:06 |
Sir GH wrote: Indeed. But luckily there are two nights, so there most likely is enough footage to compile an Earls Court 77 DVD even with mono sound. It would sell as well as any 70s concert DVD from popular bands of the time. People understand that old footage isn't perfect blue-ray quality. Old footage has a certain charm to it. It's a document of 1977, not of 2007. The Who did it with their 1977 Kilburn concert. It's mono sound, it looks old, but it's beyond awesome. But luckily with Earls Court they'd never need to use the mono soundtrack - as they recorded both nights to multitrack and there are also presumably the stereo soundboard recordings. On a technical basis, a full Earls Court DVD is perfectly releasable.As a side note - MK had major issues with the poor remastering applied highlighting the marks on the screen of one of the cameras - if QPL were such perfectionists, surely that gig wouldn't have been issued? With EC the video appears to still be in amazing condition and the mono audio tracks itself suggests that the sound is great as well. The talk of the bootleg versions being anywhere near as good as the footage that has been shown recently (with newly mixed audio) possibly on the ANATO Classic Albums DVD, and the footage that was used in the those crap montages on the ANATO DVD-A release is just daft - they're decades old cosumer grade analogue dubs from video with raw audio. The audio MAY sometime sound a bit scrappy - but from such sources it's going to isn't it? Are we really meant to believe the QPL aren't releasing these gigs because the band think the performances are shit? |