| mike hunt 07.08.2009 17:10 |
I'm not ripping brian in any way, he had some fine moments on his solo albums, but the reason why I find Freddie and roger's solo stuff more interesting is because they were trying something different. In defense of Mr. bad guy, yes, it was a weak album, but it was freddie trying something different and trying go get away from the Queen sound, isn't that what a solo album is about?....creating something different....Barcelona was a completely different animal all together. That brings me to roger. I recently been listening too rogers solo stuff, and must say some interesting and "different" sounds on his solo albums, nothing like Queen. The EP with the japanese musician (forget his name) was awsome and electric fire is a solid listen. you could tell roger is creating "something new" instead of trying to recreate the Queen sound. Sadly brian was trying too make another Queen album with back to the light. Even the first single sounded like a second rate Queen single. If I'm gonna listen to a solo album from a member of Queen, or rush, I want to hear something different. not the same as the band they were in. That's boring. |
| bhm0129ad 07.08.2009 17:23 |
I don't think Brian's solo work sounds that much like Queen. More so perhaps than the other guys, but I think it is different enough to be considered perfectly valid. The only similarities I see in his work to Queen's is a big sound, fair bit of variety and excellent production. I can't see how those can be considered negatives. |
| Marcelo_argentina 07.08.2009 18:01 |
Brian May is the real "Soul" of Queen.... |
| mike hunt 07.08.2009 18:12 |
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| sbrown 07.08.2009 18:53 |
Hmm, I really really like The Cosmos Rocks. The title track is great fun, and Still Burnin is fantastic with the best lyric on the album, in the way it tells a good story. And yes, I think the Red Special is the real core of the Queen sound, probably along with Freddie's (or Queen's) multi-tracked BVs. Although, the BVs on Mr bad Guy don't really make it sound like Queen, but the Red Special on Brian's albums make it sound more Queeny. To me anyway. The Dark could easily be on a Queen album. Having said all that, Roger's solo work, and The Cross' albums are my favourite side projects. The amazing modern drum sound on Electric Fire was great. Blue Rock is one of my favourite albums ever, and each of Roger's albums has something a little different and special to listen to. Simon |
| doxonrox 07.08.2009 20:07 |
Freddie may have been trying to get away from the Queen sound on Mr. Bad Buy, but not that much. He hired a guitar player who basically tried to emulate Brian in his solos I was very surprised when I first head it that Freddie would inject this sound into his solo album, but I guess it goes to show that he really liked the melodic quality of Brian's work on his songs. |
| lalaalalaa 07.08.2009 20:17 |
Brian's solo work is my favorite ;) I suggest you get Another World album, because there might be something different thrown in there (Cyborg :D) |
| cacatua 07.08.2009 21:06 |
Marcelo_argentina wrote: Brian May is the real "Soul" of Queen.... I agree. Brian and the Red Special are as one, and I think it would be as impossible, or as likely, for him to sound entirely different as it would be for him to toss the RS and take up with a more conventional instrument. And he and the RS permeated most everything Queen did. Brian said about Back To The Light, "There are many threads in the album and one of them is Freddie obviously. It had to be. Because all through the making of this album I was becoming more and more aware that Freddie was facing the end of his life. So obviously I was aware as I finished off [these songs] that in some way it was going to relate to Freddie too. And also to my dad and also to me. So there were a whole lot of link-ups there. But the song most directly concerned with Freddie is really Nothin' But Blue. It was written around the time we lost him, and I had this strong feeling that this was the end." As Georg Purvis said about the Nothin' But Blue track from Back To The Light, "Essentially a showcase for for the Red Special, in which Brian all but makes his instrument weep............" |
| bhm0129ad 07.08.2009 21:33 |
I am glad other people have mentioned the fact that Brian WAS most of Queen's sound, I was going to mention it in my earlier post, but decided not to. THat guitar just has so much presence and unique tone, and I believe that Brian was more responsible for the way Queen constructed and vocalised songs than Freddie was. I am also pretty sure the main guitar used on Nothin' But Blue was not the RS but a guitar given to him by Santana, tho I cannot remember which make/model. The RS was used in the song too, but not the main parts. As someone else said in another thread though, Brian could achieve 90% of his own sound with almost any guitar, because it is in his fingers and his style. I am sure someone will argue with my last point, but that is what I have come to understand anyway. |
| lalaalalaa 07.08.2009 21:40 |
A lot of people have said Freddie was Queen...these people obviously need to pay more attention to the guitar work, because I think Brian was a major part of Queen. He was the second-best songwriter in the group, second-best singer in the group (with some exceptions), and he was the most unique, I think. |
| The Fairy King 07.08.2009 21:45 |
Queen was Tim Staffell!!! YEAH i SAID IT! |
| rhyeking 07.08.2009 23:25 |
The "Japanese Guy" mentioned in an earlier post is Yoshiki, a classical pianist and rock drummer (yes, you read that right, haha). I think "Foreign Sand" and the re-record of "Final Destination" (also with Yoshiki, from the "Foreign Sand" single) are among Roger's finest records. To add my two cents to the discussion, I think all four guys played to their strengths. Freddie and Roger have (well, Freddie *had*) very pop sensibilities (melody driven). Brian was more a rocker. That doesn't mean he only wrote 'hard rock," but more traditional rock (heavy guitar numbers, rock ballads, etc.). John's few exclusive solo outings ("No Turning Back" and "Picking Up Sounds") were funkier numbers. Chart-wise, Freddie and Brian were the most successful, with the most solo singles making an impact on the market. Just saying... |
| dragon-fly 08.08.2009 04:22 |
I love both Brian's solo albums. And there's nothing wrong with some similarities to Queen sound. He wrote almost (roughly saying) a half of Queen songs, which you can recognize easily. He has his own style of creating music. That's his way. I'd say Brian is pretty constant person, what is not possible to say about Freddie. But to call it the same - is unfair as well. The songs changed a lot since their first album to his solo works. Anyway, I like Brian's solo stuff more than Freddie's (maybe that's because I'm very keen on guitar sound). |
| peterkoz1 08.08.2009 04:34 |
not a great topic we must be bored .can i just say isn't the Red special responsible for the renowned Queen Sound , so poor old Brian would have had to put the Special away each time he played solo !! come on guys your in Another World . |
| Major Tom 08.08.2009 07:27 |
Yeah i have to agree with marcello here. There is a lot of talk about Freddie, almost as when you say Queen you really mean Freddie and vice versa. Not fair. I had this conversation with a fellow Queen fan some years ago, about Brian, Roger and John being the band behind Freddie. Of course he was the driving force in the studio aswell on stage. He was the face of Queen, and one true "forntman/singer". Wheter he wanted to admit that himself or not. Thus almost equal to Freddies geniostity was Brian and Roger. I leave John out of this since he has not gone solo, yet!(The Biggles project not included). Rogers voice and drumming, Brians guitarplaying and vocals. Almost as distinct as Freddies pipe. IMO. I have not seen any recordsales but I do know that Freddies solostuff flopped, in terms of Queen recordsales speaking. I can't think that Rogers albums, both with The Cross and solo sold more than Freddie but at least equal to Brians BTTL and AW, even Starfleet and Furia soundtrack. (Off topic here. Is there a connection with our Brian and the Brian May writing the score for A nightmare on elm street? I can swear it's our Brian singing in the opening credits of the last original nighmare film, Final nightmare I belive.) I think the Topic is merely personal opinions cause I find Brians solostuff almost as good as Queen. ALMOST. Rogers I have to say, I don't really like. And Freddies, well I love Barcelona cause he really went for what he belived in, but the other stuff is basicly Hot Space revisited. Again IMO. |
| Holly2003 08.08.2009 07:57 |
All 4 of them together made Queen what it was -- the tensions and collaborations are what made the songs and the band work. Take It's Late, for example -- one of the best rock songs I've ever heard. Fred puts in a great performance but this isn't the kind of song that he would have written on his own, neither would he choose to sing in such a difficult key. It's only because Brian likes that riff (the same used on WWRY, Tear It Up, I Go Crazy and Hammer To Fall) that we got to hear Fred pushing himself so hard. So Fred wasn't Queen, neither was Brian or Roger or John on their own. As they have all said themselves, a number of times, Queen was greater than the sum of its parts, and their solo careers demonstate this. Take the best songs from their solo careers and you would struggle to put together an album as good as any of the early Queen albums (when they were at their best -- imo they went downhill from Hot Space onwards). |
| Legy 08.08.2009 10:48 |
The Fairy King wrote: Queen was Tim Staffell!!! YEAH i SAID IT!Had Tim not decided to quit, Queen would have never happened. |
| bhm0129ad 08.08.2009 11:37 |
Pilot in Play aka (Artemis Moon Band) wrote:The Fairy King wrote: Queen was Tim Staffell!!! YEAH i SAID IT!Had Tim not decided to quit, Queen would have never happened. Perhaps neither would Freddie Mercury, or Freddie Bulsara for that matter. I have said it elsewhere and got 'flamed' for it, but Freddie was pretty shit before he joined 'Smile' and worked f*kin hard to improve to be good enough for the band he was a big fan of. Brian on the other hand, I believe would have made it big with almost any band he was in because of his raw natural talent and his unique sound. Brian would not have made a solo career because he cannot sing well enough (for the public perception) but at that stage of their careers, HE was the one with the most talent. Brian was always a genius, Freddie BECAME one. |
| lalaalalaa 08.08.2009 11:40 |
bhm0129ad wrote:Pilot in Play aka (Artemis Moon Band) wrote:Perhaps neither would Freddie Mercury, or Freddie Bulsara for that matter. I have said it elsewhere and got 'flamed' for it, but Freddie was pretty shit before he joined 'Smile' and worked f*kin hard to improve to be good enough for the band he was a big fan of. Brian on the other hand, I believe would have made it big with almost any band he was in because of his raw natural talent and his unique sound. Brian would not have made a solo career because he cannot sing well enough (for the public perception) but at that stage of their careers, HE was the one with the most talent. Brian was always a genius, Freddie BECAME one.The Fairy King wrote: Queen was Tim Staffell!!! YEAH i SAID IT!Had Tim not decided to quit, Queen would have never happened. Brian wasn't always a genius. I'm sure he practiced guitar when he was young and look how good he became because of it. He must have worked hard also (not as hard as Freddie but still). I don't think Freddie sounded terrible before Smile, but he sure did perfect his voice a lot. |
| Legy 08.08.2009 11:47 |
He used his falsetto way too much before joining Queen. I've head some of the Wreckage and Ibex stuff on youtube and his voice wasn't all that great. Quite weak, actually. For any musician, practice makes perfect. Freddie became a legend and Brian is one of the original Guitar Heroes. |
| bhm0129ad 08.08.2009 11:47 |
lalaalalaa wrote:bhm0129ad wrote:Brian wasn't always a genius. I'm sure he practiced guitar when he was young and look how good he became because of it. He must have worked hard also (not as hard as Freddie but still). I don't think Freddie sounded terrible before Smile, but he sure did perfect his voice a lot.Pilot in Play aka (Artemis Moon Band) wrote:Perhaps neither would Freddie Mercury, or Freddie Bulsara for that matter. I have said it elsewhere and got 'flamed' for it, but Freddie was pretty shit before he joined 'Smile' and worked f*kin hard to improve to be good enough for the band he was a big fan of. Brian on the other hand, I believe would have made it big with almost any band he was in because of his raw natural talent and his unique sound. Brian would not have made a solo career because he cannot sing well enough (for the public perception) but at that stage of their careers, HE was the one with the most talent. Brian was always a genius, Freddie BECAME one.The Fairy King wrote: Queen was Tim Staffell!!! YEAH i SAID IT!Had Tim not decided to quit, Queen would have never happened. Brian was a genius from as early as a genuis can be made. Not necessarily musically of course, but his brain is a marvel. He (and his dad) made that amazing guitar years before Queen, even before Smile, and it was not even his first attempt - not many YOUNG men have that kind of capability even today. In the only few exerpts of Freddie I have heard before Smile, he sounded pretty weak and shakey to me. It definitely took for that combination of all four guys to get the best out of each, but I still think that Brian would have been a star whatever happened to the rest. |
| Major Tom 08.08.2009 12:02 |
Pilot in Play aka (Artemis Moon Band) wrote:Then we wouldn't hang around here...and then we wouldn't *head explodes here*The Fairy King wrote: Queen was Tim Staffell!!! YEAH i SAID IT!Had Tim not decided to quit, Queen would have never happened. |
| Russian Headlong 08.08.2009 14:12 |
I disagree. Freddie's Mr Bad Guy is an awful album in my opinion, indicative of the lightweight pap and synthesisers that Fred was obsesssed with in the early and mid 80's. His later solo stuff like Love Kills, Great Pretender and Barcelona are mildly better but I always prefererred Roger and Brian's solo work. Stuff like The Governor, Driven By You, Man on Fire and No More Fun were all superior to stuff on a lot of the 80's albums and even MIH. |
| runner70 08.08.2009 14:16 |
Russian Headlong wrote: His later solo stuff like Love Kills, Great Pretender and Barcelona are mildly better Love Kills was released BEFORE Mr Bad Guy!!!! |
| PauloPanucci 08.08.2009 17:56 |
i don't think Brian's solo carrer was bad... he don't sel and get sucess so much... but he did a great job! |
| cacatua 08.08.2009 18:08 |
Holly2003 wrote: All 4 of them together made Queen what it was -- the tensions and collaborations are what made the songs and the band work. Take It's Late, for example -- one of the best rock songs I've ever heard. Fred puts in a great performance but this isn't the kind of song that he would have written on his own, neither would he choose to sing in such a difficult key. It's only because Brian likes that riff (the same used on WWRY, Tear It Up, I Go Crazy and Hammer To Fall) that we got to hear Fred pushing himself so hard. So Fred wasn't Queen, neither was Brian or Roger or John on their own. As they have all said themselves, a number of times, Queen was greater than the sum of its parts, and their solo careers demonstate this. Take the best songs from their solo careers and you would struggle to put together an album as good as any of the early Queen albums (when they were at their best -- imo they went downhill from Hot Space onwards). I have also heard Brian talk, on the DVD about the making of the album Night At The Opera, about Freddie writing songs in keys that gave him fits for playing on the guitar. |
| Oberon 08.08.2009 19:25 |
I really don't think that any of them would have made it if they hadn't found each other. Maybe Brian would've been picked up by another big band, but it's not guaranteed. Can't remember which band asked him to join them, but it was after Queen had had some success, not before. I haven't heard (or can't remember) early Wreckage/IBEX stuff, but I think even Brian/Roger said that Fred's voice improved a lot in the very early days of Queen Personally, I like guitar based music (G'N'R, Extreme, Satriani etc) so I like Brian's solo stuff, although I think Roger wrote better solo tunes. Ironically (?) I like things like Loser In The End and Fight From the Inside, although I also like White Queen, As it Began and It's Late, hammer to fall etc, and probably like Brian's stuff more. But Roger's solo stuff is better crafted songs I think than Brians solo stuff. Mr Bad Guy I think is ok, but not great. Is it better than the later B+R solo efforts? I don't think so, but it's a different time. Fun In Space / Strange Frontier? I think I might prefer that more then MBG just a little, but I rarely listen to any of the solo stuff to be honest. Barcelona is just a different class, and Fred deserves the kudoos for that album. Remember that this was before Elton John or Paul McCartney did their musicals etc (although I'm not sure when McCartney did Give My Regards To Broadstreet?). But if he had lived and had wanted to, I'm sure Fred could have done more Barcelona or soundtrack type stuff if he had wanted. At the end of the day, I think Roger and Brian would make better solo pop/rock music than Freddie or Freddie and John, but of course it would all be lesser quality than all four of them. |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 08.08.2009 21:11 |
Actually, I personally prefer Brian's solo stuff to Roger's and Freddie's. |
| cacatua 08.08.2009 22:14 |
When I first began listening more seriously to Queen it was Freddie, Freddie, Freddie, with these three guys in supporting roles. Then I began to be more aware of Brian, Roger and John, and pay more attention to who actually wrote what song. I have found that while I still love Freddie, I think that I appreciate Brian more and more, not just his guitar playing but for the songs he has written. I love the likes of Hammer To Fall, but I also like '39, and Keep Good Company. I like his singing too, though his voice is much better for some things than others, and I think he should avoid singing with the likes of Pavarotti! I really love it when he has gotten into the blues, like Sleeping On The Sidewalk, and I just got the Back To The Light singles with the Star Fleet project jam sessions - Let Me Out and Blues Breaker, as well as Nothin' But Blue and Back To The Light. Not all that crazy about Star Fleet itself. Freddie was more the flamboyant entertainer, but I think that Brian is deeper. I enjoy much of Roger's stuff and I like hearing him sing it, unless he gets way out there, which for me is Sheer Heart Attack. Not my cup of tea. John is the vaguest one to me though I do like a number of his songs too. But as has been pointed out, it is all a matter of personal opinion. |
| Grantcdn1 08.08.2009 23:20 |
I really enjoyed Brian's solo work - just wish there was more of it....He wrote some great songs....Think we would have had much more if not for Cozy passing.........loved his use of Satriani's guitar on nothin but blue - really loved I really enjoyed Love Token (So heavy!!). You can easily tell that he has always been a huge part of the Queen sound....from his easily recognizable guitar playing, to the song writing, song structure (not just his own songs), vocal harmonies etc. Really enjoyed Roger's solo work too - in particular his early work, then the Cross, then Electric Fire....like his rock belting out voice more than his whispering voice....think he is better with heavy rocking songs I'll only listen to Freddie's solo work occasionally - obviously he had an absolutely tremendous voice...but the songwriting and musicianship on Mr. Bad Guy was not there.... Would always rather have all four of them together but with no Freddie and John now....would always be happy to have Brian and Roger making music together -they can make great music....really liked Machines - one of the songs they wrote together for the works...Roger's drums on Brian tracks is usually great |
| mike hunt 09.08.2009 00:13 |
bhm0129ad wrote:Pilot in Play aka (Artemis Moon Band) wrote:Perhaps neither would Freddie Mercury, or Freddie Bulsara for that matter. I have said it elsewhere and got 'flamed' for it, but Freddie was pretty shit before he joined 'Smile' and worked f*kin hard to improve to be good enough for the band he was a big fan of. Brian on the other hand, I believe would have made it big with almost any band he was in because of his raw natural talent and his unique sound. Brian would not have made a solo career because he cannot sing well enough (for the public perception) but at that stage of their careers, HE was the one with the most talent. Brian was always a genius, Freddie BECAME one.The Fairy King wrote: Queen was Tim Staffell!!! YEAH i SAID IT!Had Tim not decided to quit, Queen would have never happened. you can't change history my friend, Brian may is a legend, but not a genious. Watch any documentary even before freddie's death and it's all about freddie. Sometimes I got the feeling that people were forced too say something about the others. Influence?....not even close, so let's not even go there. Now, if it wasn't for bo rhap queen would be no more. Freddie's performance at live aid was considered the best performance ever by many. Brian was great and was musically the sound of Queen, but most people considered the vocals the most important, as I do. 90% of the public think's of freddie mercury when someone mentions Queen. History has proven this, if brian was the true genious of Queen he would be mentioned as such. but he's not, and nothing said on this site will change that. Again, obvouisly musically it's brian, but most people think Queen were a little above average musically, that's not good for brian and roger. and John. |
| mike hunt 09.08.2009 00:48 |
now back on topic, For me a solo album is suppose to be trying something different. Freddie did that especially with the brilliant barcelona. Roger did that. That EP he did with yoshiki was far superior than anything brian did solo wise. Another world I consider weak, and not trying anything new. He's actually copying satriani in most of his songs....He doesn't even sound original. |
| dragon-fly 09.08.2009 04:25 |
I don't think that Brian HAD to go diffrent way just to show it. He did it how he felt. You can't force somebody to change direction if he doesn't want it. Because by that way he knows what is he doing. And about that Freddie vs Brian thing- people (which are not deeply intrested in music) know just lead singers, they don't pay attention to the others in the band. It was always like that and will be. But if you try to dig deeper you will discover much more than that |
| Holly2003 09.08.2009 04:37 |
Maybe the fact that Brian's solo albums are more like Queen that the others indicates that Brian was the major part of the Queen sound. Maybe Roger and Fred's solo careers indicate what type of band Queen would've been if they were the main influences. |
| mike hunt 09.08.2009 05:03 |
dragon-fly wrote: I don't think that Brian HAD to go diffrent way just to show it. He did it how he felt. You can't force somebody to change direction if he doesn't want it. Because by that way he knows what is he doing. And about that Freddie vs Brian thing- people (which are not deeply intrested in music) know just lead singers, they don't pay attention to the others in the band. It was always like that and will be. But if you try to dig deeper you will discover much more than that yea, but why is every member of the who and led zep equally famous, and all considered brilliant. Queen are mega big, so if brian may was truly this genious people at queenzone think he is then why doesn't anyone else ever say it. Even slash say's brian is a fine player, doesn't say genious. I grew up with musicians, and have lots of musician friends. Not one say's brian was or is a genious. Only on this site I'v seen this. |
| dragon-fly 09.08.2009 05:56 |
mike hunt wrote:dragon-fly wrote: I don't think that Brian HAD to go diffrent way just to show it. He did it how he felt. You can't force somebody to change direction if he doesn't want it. Because by that way he knows what is he doing. And about that Freddie vs Brian thing- people (which are not deeply intrested in music) know just lead singers, they don't pay attention to the others in the band. It was always like that and will be. But if you try to dig deeper you will discover much more than thatyea, but why is every member of the who and led zep equally famous, and all considered brilliant. Queen are mega big, so if brian may was truly this genious people at queenzone think he is then why doesn't anyone else ever say it. Even slash say's brian is a fine player, doesn't say genious. I grew up with musicians, and have lots of musician friends. Not one say's brian was or is a genious. Only on this site I'v seen this. I'm not saying he is genious either:)! I just respect him a lot and and love his music whether in Queen or solo. I'm sure there are people wich consider May is a genious, you just never met them personally[img=/images/smiley/msn/regular_smile.gif][/img] ! Most people which I know don't know who are Led Zeppelin and The Who! |
| mike hunt 09.08.2009 06:03 |
ok, your young. How can your friends not know who the fucking who are? |
| dragon-fly 09.08.2009 06:16 |
mike hunt wrote: ok, your young. How can your friends not know who the fucking who are? I see you are surprized:). If you have read my profile, you know where I am from. And young people here listen just local crap. Which I can't bear. I have big plans to move from here, I hope it will work! |
| mike hunt 09.08.2009 06:32 |
ok, at least you have good taste. |
| dragon-fly 09.08.2009 06:39 |
mike hunt wrote: ok, at least you have good taste. Thanks! |
| Ken8 09.08.2009 09:37 |
Russian Headlong wrote: I disagree. Freddie's Mr Bad Guy is an awful album in my opinion So bad that it was plundered by Queen themselves for "MIH", charted post Live Aid, and again in remixes post Fred's death. |
| john bodega 09.08.2009 10:34 |
It wasn't unilaterally bad, it was just covered in 80's. Once the other guys cleaned them up, the songs had a chance to shine a bit. |
| cmsdrums 09.08.2009 16:07 |
cacatua wrote: As Georg Purvis said about the Nothin' But Blue track from Back To The Light, "Essentially a showcase for for the Red Special, in which Brian all but makes his instrument weep............" But didn't Brian use an Ibanez (which was a present from Joe Satriani) on that track, and it doesn't feature the Red Special at all??? I don't know of George Purvis, , but it seems like he doesn't know what he's listening to?!! (with no malice or insult intended) |
| PauloPanucci 09.08.2009 16:13 |
cmsdrums wrote:cacatua wrote: As Georg Purvis said about the Nothin' But Blue track from Back To The Light, "Essentially a showcase for for the Red Special, in which Brian all but makes his instrument weep............"But didn't Brian use an Ibanez (which was a present from Joe Satriani) on that track, and it doesn't feature the Red Special at all??? I don't know of George Purvis, , but it seems like he doesn't know what he's listening to?!! (with no malice or insult intended) Did Bri used an ibanez???? did joe gave to him??? i didn't know about this!!! |
| bhm0129ad 09.08.2009 16:14 |
cmsdrums wrote:cacatua wrote: As Georg Purvis said about the Nothin' But Blue track from Back To The Light, "Essentially a showcase for for the Red Special, in which Brian all but makes his instrument weep............"But didn't Brian use an Ibanez (which was a present from Joe Satriani) on that track, and it doesn't feature the Red Special at all??? I don't know of George Purvis, , but it seems like he doesn't know what he's listening to?!! (with no malice or insult intended) The point I previously made. It was a showcase for Brian's ability, not the RS. |
| cacatua 09.08.2009 20:49 |
cmsdrums wrote:cacatua wrote: As Georg Purvis said about the Nothin' But Blue track from Back To The Light, "Essentially a showcase for for the Red Special, in which Brian all but makes his instrument weep............"But didn't Brian use an Ibanez (which was a present from Joe Satriani) on that track, and it doesn't feature the Red Special at all??? I don't know of George Purvis, , but it seems like he doesn't know what he's listening to?!! (with no malice or insult intended) Georg Purvis: Queen, Complete Works, Reynolds & Hearn Ltd., London It is the history behind every song, album and video of Queen, and each member's solo work as well. Bootlegs and post Queen works too. 424 pages of fine print. As to Purvis' accuracy, I don't know - can anyone here corroborate the information that it was not the Red Special used in Nothin' But Blue? Where did you hear or read it? Not arguing, just curious. Perhaps Purvis was overrated in the reviews I read. |
| bhm0129ad 09.08.2009 21:09 |
cacatua wrote:cmsdrums wrote:Georg Purvis: Queen, Complete Works, Reynolds & Hearn Ltd., London It is the history behind every song, album and video of Queen, and each member's solo work as well. Bootlegs and post Queen works too. 424 pages of fine print. As to Purvis' accuracy, I don't know - can anyone here corroborate the information that it was not the Red Special used in Nothin' But Blue? Where did you hear or read it? Not arguing, just curious. Perhaps Purvis was overrated in the reviews I read.cacatua wrote: As Georg Purvis said about the Nothin' But Blue track from Back To The Light, "Essentially a showcase for for the Red Special, in which Brian all but makes his instrument weep............"But didn't Brian use an Ibanez (which was a present from Joe Satriani) on that track, and it doesn't feature the Red Special at all??? I don't know of George Purvis, , but it seems like he doesn't know what he's listening to?!! (with no malice or insult intended) Quote from the back inside cover of Back To The Light (My special thanks to.. section) "To Joe Satriani for a magnificent guitar which makes it's debut on Nothin' But Blue." I have read elsewhere that it was an Ibanez, but cannot remember where. |
| cacatua 09.08.2009 21:45 |
bhm0129ad wrote:cacatua wrote:Quote from the back inside cover of Back To The Light (My special thanks to.. section) "To Joe Satriani for a magnificent guitar which makes it's debut on Nothin' But Blue." I have read elsewhere that it was an Ibanez, but cannot remember where.cmsdrums wrote:Georg Purvis: Queen, Complete Works, Reynolds & Hearn Ltd., London It is the history behind every song, album and video of Queen, and each member's solo work as well. Bootlegs and post Queen works too. 424 pages of fine print. As to Purvis' accuracy, I don't know - can anyone here corroborate the information that it was not the Red Special used in Nothin' But Blue? Where did you hear or read it? Not arguing, just curious. Perhaps Purvis was overrated in the reviews I read.cacatua wrote: As Georg Purvis said about the Nothin' But Blue track from Back To The Light, "Essentially a showcase for for the Red Special, in which Brian all but makes his instrument weep............"But didn't Brian use an Ibanez (which was a present from Joe Satriani) on that track, and it doesn't feature the Red Special at all??? I don't know of George Purvis, , but it seems like he doesn't know what he's listening to?!! (with no malice or insult intended) Great! I did some searching but couldn't come up with anything more solid than wikipedia, which is unreliable, but it would seem that you have it from the horse's mouth. I did run across an interview with Purvis about his reference book on Queen and further thoughts at Bechstein Debauchery: link Thank you. I don't have Brian's Back to The Light album yet. There is a reply to a letter about a GRECO BM90 guitar at Brian's Soapbox that I turned up which confirms it being an Ibanez from Satriani. (Monday, Sept. 18, 2006 - Question on GRECO BM90 GUITAR) I'll make a notation in the Purvis book. |
| cacatua 09.08.2009 22:05 |
Now here is a fascinating piece of information I stumbled across at epinions.com: "Queen fansite Queenzone.com alumni Lester Burnham has claimed credit to writing the book [Queen, Complete works] and that the name Georg Purvis is just a pseudonym. I'm not sure if it's true or not, but I wouldn't doubt it. Lester Burnham has been contributing these album by album histories to that site for a while now." "Just a little update here, the author Georg Purvis did just contact me and affirm that he and Lester are one and the same. Lester burnham is just his handle for for Queenzone.com that he uses, and you can also see his posts on Queenonline.com as well...." Aha - so that's why "lester" was in the link to Bechstein's Debauchery for the Purvis interview. (Sorry - the origninal topic here has been totally highjacked I'm afraid!) |
| mike hunt 10.08.2009 01:35 |
Ken8 wrote:Russian Headlong wrote: I disagree. Freddie's Mr Bad Guy is an awful album in my opinionSo bad that it was plundered by Queen themselves for "MIH", charted post Live Aid, and again in remixes post Fred's death. The songs are pretty good, it's the musicians freddie hired, and the direction he took that was bad. I like most of the songs on that album, made in heaven, The title track, man made paradise, there must be more to life than this, living on my own and my favorite love me like there's no tomorrow. Remember, this is an album that was done in freds spare time. Between Queen albums and tours. Because of that you can't compare it with barcelona, back to the light, another world and roger's 90's solo stuff where they had all that time to perfect those albums. |
| PauloPanucci 10.08.2009 10:15 |
mike hunt wrote:yeah... because it stay dificult to compare the solo albuns of each other.... and it'll stay wird if you put "the immortals" to compare wih Freddie and Brian's albuns!!!Ken8 wrote:The songs are pretty good, it's the musicians freddie hired, and the direction he took that was bad. I like most of the songs on that album, made in heaven, The title track, man made paradise, there must be more to life than this, living on my own and my favorite love me like there's no tomorrow. Remember, this is an album that was done in freds spare time. Between Queen albums and tours. Because of that you can't compare it with barcelona, back to the light, another world and roger's 90's solo stuff where they had all that time to perfect those albums.Russian Headlong wrote: I disagree. Freddie's Mr Bad Guy is an awful album in my opinionSo bad that it was plundered by Queen themselves for "MIH", charted post Live Aid, and again in remixes post Fred's death. |
| Queen On Ice 10.08.2009 14:35 |
They all have great solo material. Roger has the most, and got better through the years. Brian should have done more, and though his albums are excellent, I feel it could have had more guitar work. I love Mr. Bad Guy AND especially Barcelona. Barcelona is the only solo work that can sit alongside Queen in terms of Quality though. The others have some songs to compare, but not whole albums. |
| John Oswald 10.08.2009 20:18 |
Well personally I quite liked Brian's solo work overall. I love 'Another World' and enjoyed some of the first album. As for Freddie's and Roger's solo work I enjoyed those as well, but then maybe I'm being biased what with being a Queen fan lol |
| Grantcdn1 10.08.2009 20:29 |
A big reason why Brian doesn't get the credit he deserves is because Queen crossed over into pop, disco etc. Who ever hears of a guitarist or any non-vocal musician in a pop band for their muscianship? I can't even think of one who actually gets any credit for exemplary musical abilities If Queen was solely hard rock, classic rock,metal.etc......there you will find more appreciation for the actual musical abilities, songwriting etc......and there you find more appreciation for Brian In the pop universe.....it is all about the show,the visual,and the vocals....naturally that is wayFreddie being a fantastic showman with a unique look and image, and absolutely incredible vocals gets so much credit... It is a shame really because Brian contributed so much to the sound, the song structure, and the songwriting.... I believe We Will Rock You is actually more well known and popular than Bohemian Rhapsody world wide....and gets more airplay..... I'm not taking any credit away from Freddie who was brilliant.....but without Brian we would have never seen the shining star that was Freddie....and the fantastic band Queen |
| Queen On Ice 10.08.2009 20:40 |
Grantcdn1 wrote: A big reason why Brian doesn't get the credit he deserves is because Queen crossed over into pop, disco etc. Who ever hears of a guitarist or any non-vocal musician in a pop band for their muscianship? I can't even think of one who actually gets any credit for exemplary musical abilities If Queen was solely hard rock, classic rock,metal.etc......there you will find more appreciation for the actual musical abilities, songwriting etc......and there you find more appreciation for Brian In the pop universe.....it is all about the show,the visual,and the vocals....naturally that is wayFreddie being a fantastic showman with a unique look and image, and absolutely incredible vocals gets so much credit... It is a shame really because Brian contributed so much to the sound, the song structure, and the songwriting.... I believe We Will Rock You is actually more well known and popular than Bohemian Rhapsody world wide....and gets more airplay..... I'm not taking any credit away from Freddie who was brilliant.....but without Brian we would have never seen the shining star that was Freddie....and the fantastic band Queen I like that post, and agree with it. |
| mike hunt 11.08.2009 01:33 |
Grantcdn1 wrote: A big reason why Brian doesn't get the credit he deserves is because Queen crossed over into pop, disco etc. Who ever hears of a guitarist or any non-vocal musician in a pop band for their muscianship? I can't even think of one who actually gets any credit for exemplary musical abilities If Queen was solely hard rock, classic rock,metal.etc......there you will find more appreciation for the actual musical abilities, songwriting etc......and there you find more appreciation for Brian In the pop universe.....it is all about the show,the visual,and the vocals....naturally that is wayFreddie being a fantastic showman with a unique look and image, and absolutely incredible vocals gets so much credit... It is a shame really because Brian contributed so much to the sound, the song structure, and the songwriting.... I believe We Will Rock You is actually more well known and popular than Bohemian Rhapsody world wide....and gets more airplay..... I'm not taking any credit away from Freddie who was brilliant.....but without Brian we would have never seen the shining star that was Freddie....and the fantastic band Queen And of course vise versa, queen wouldn't be if freddie didn't join the group either. that's been proven since freddie's death what have they acheived?....a couple of failed solo albums and the 4666 songs that didn't go nowhere, the cosmos flops. Of course you make perfect sense with your "pop music" comment, Songs like radio ga ga and "another one bites the dust" were great pop songs, but hurt brian and roger musically I think. I also don't think any of them, including freddie would have made it big time without each other. When queen was released brian and roger were 25 and freddie almost 27. they wern't kids. |