QueenZone discussion #1162972

cageyvet wrote: Hello all from Canada eh! I apologize if this topic is redundant - I just signed up to the site. I have been reading much about Freddie lately and it seem that he elouded the subject of his india origins.  It has been speculated that he downplayed his past out of fear that it might affect record sales etc... As a Canadian of Indian origin I wonder why Freddie would not be proud of his ethnicity.  I don't think anyone would care less about stuff like that................. Cheers,

Jjeroen wrote: Freddie was very fond of his privacy in general. He never was voluntairily open about things he considered private and I suppose his roots fell in that cathegory as well.  Same as with his sexual orientation - Freddie never felt he needed to be the one 'to wave the flag'. Doesn't mean he purposely covered it up though.  

FriedChicken wrote: Why would he be indian. He was born in Zanzibar. That would make him Zanzibarian. Or English, since it was part of the Brittish Empire when Freddie was born

Zebonka12 wrote: The only issue Freddie had with ethnicity was that he hated blacks.

cageyvet wrote: Hello all from Canada eh! I apologize if this topic is redundant - I just signed up to the site. I have been reading much about Freddie lately and it seem that he elouded the subject of his india origins.  It has been speculated that he downplayed his past out of fear that it might affect record sales etc... As a Canadian of Indian origin I wonder why Freddie would not be proud of his ethnicity.  I don't think anyone would care less about stuff like that................. Cheers,

cageyvet wrote: link

Zebonka12 wrote: The only issue Freddie had with ethnicity was that he hated blacks.

Flush_Gurdun wrote a lot of crap

Flush_Gurdun wrote: I know I don't have to comment/read your replies and i know you don't mean anything by them, but seriously, you're not known for anything else but these shit little replies anymore

ThomasQuinn wrote: As if "TM and the Iranian Conspiracy" wasn't bad enough...

Zebonka12 wrote:

  Queenzone is not the world.  I started to keep a running tally of positive vs. negative mail about a year ago, more or less as a direct result of a comment just like yours 

Flush_Gurdun wrote: it's pricks like you that's putting people off participating and keeping them in the Announce section only.

April wrote: So what is Freddie's ethnicity? I am confused now, guys...

Flush_Gurdun wrote:

Zebonka12 wrote:

  Queenzone is not the world.  I started to keep a running tally of positive vs. negative mail about a year ago, more or less as a direct result of a comment just like yours 

Hmm... and what was the findings of this YEAR LONG tally you've been keeping lol? QZ is not the world eh? I don't give a flying fuck about being "policeman" either or following any other user. I come here cos I like to find out about Queen believe it or not... I can't even be arsed with starting a silly argument and i'm sorry to the others that I ruined the thread by doing so. "Following you around.."... don't flatter yourself either, as I said you're crap attempt at shock jock is in nearly every thread these days... so no wonder someone makes a remark. "In joke"... to who... you? Maybe now that you've been here that long, talking about Queen doesn't actually fascinate you anymore, but it does to others, so why don't you take a flying fuck to yourself and stop butting into every thread with some bull shit remark about aids victims pissing themselves or Freddie hating blacks etc. "Queenzone is not the world"... who is kidding who? Nearly 8000 posts and you're only 22... LMAO. I've been coming here since the early days of this website and it's pricks like you that's putting people off participating and keeping them in the Announce section only. Add this to the negative pile of your year long tally.

April wrote: So what is Freddie's ethnicity? I am confused now, guys...

Bo Rhap wrote: Hard one that. If a British born person is of Asian decent,it depends on which way they see themselves.Are they British or are they Asian.Now in Freddie's case,he was born in Zanzibar,in which i believe is just off the South Eastern coast of South Africa.He was born to an Italian father and a Spanish mother who were both Parsis.He lived in India during his younger years.So he could lay claim to being a lot of things.He could say that he was European.He could say that he was South African.He could say that he was a British citizen.He could say that he was an Indian citizen too.He could've turned to his religion and claimed to have been from there too.In my opinion i dont think that Freddie was all that religious until possibly later on in his life.We'll never know the truth.We can only surmise it.   

Treasure Moment wrote: He said he was persian, he looks persian, he IS persian.

Crisstti wrote: He does look far more Arab than Indian... to me at least. Anyway, about him supposedly down playing his ethnicity, I read an interview in which the journalist asked him about it and he just said something like "let's talk about something more interesting" or something. What seems to me is that he didn't have a very good time while growing up, so he just didn't like talking about it.  I either read or saw in some documentary a friend of him saying that he had asked him about life in Zanzibar and India and he had just said it was ugly and dirty or something.  And that he had met in England a friend of his from school and he apparently didn't want to have much to do with him.  He also said he was bullied in school.

Holly2003 wrote: He was British.

anet wrote: I know that Freddie did not like to speak about his origin. He never spoke about it.

Treasure Moment wrote:

anet wrote: I know that Freddie did not like to speak about his origin. He never spoke about it.

Here. 4:10 into this video he says he iranian link

Treasure Moment wrote: Here. 4:10 into this video he says he iranian link

Zebonka12 wrote:

  Treasure Moment wrote: Here. 4:10 into this video he says he iranian link

NICE RICK ROLL YOU FUCKING BASTARD

Treasure Moment wrote:

Zebonka12 wrote:

  Treasure Moment wrote: Here. 4:10 into this video he says he iranian link

NICE RICK ROLL YOU FUCKING BASTARD

wtf are you talking about you lying clown? thats a freddie interview, you really need to stop with your pathetic trying to be funny posts, its really old.

Treasure Moment wrote: wtf are you talking about you lying clown? thats a freddie interview

Holly2003 wrote: On another interview Fred talks about them being a British band. According to TM's logic, that makes Fred British too. Plus he's also literally a musical prostitute. FACT! [img=/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif][/img]

Treasure Moment wrote:

  Holly2003 wrote: On another interview Fred talks about them being a British band. According to TM's logic, that makes Fred British too. Plus he's also literally a musical prostitute. FACT! [img=/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif][/img]

the band is british yes, what do you think since 3 of the 4 members are from england? we are discussing ethnicity here and freddie is iranian.

Holly2003 wrote:

  Treasure Moment wrote:  

      Holly2003 wrote:   On another interview Fred talks about them being a British band. According to TM's logic, that makes Fred British too. Plus he's also literally a musical prostitute. FACT! [img=/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif][/img]  

the band is british yes, what do you think since 3 of the 4 members are from england? we are discussing ethnicity here and freddie is iranian.

Can't you read? I said "FACT" so that makes it a fact. According to you anyway...

Treasure Moment wrote:

  Holly2003 wrote:  

      Treasure Moment wrote:      

              Holly2003 wrote:       On another interview Fred talks about them being a British band. According to TM's logic, that makes Fred British too. Plus he's also literally a musical prostitute. FACT! [img=/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif][/img]      

the band is british yes, what do you think since 3 of the 4 members are from england? we are discussing ethnicity here and freddie is iranian.

Can't you read? I said "FACT" so that makes it a fact. According to you anyway...

Ok you are a retard, let it go.

Crisstti wrote: I just saw the interview, and Freddie does say he's Iranian.  I guess he must be, why else whould he say that?.  I had seen the interview before, but since English isn't my native language, I couldn'y understand everything that he said. It's a great interview, by the way.  Really funny.  "The bigger the better... in everything!", LOL.

Treasure Moment wrote: the band is british yes, what do you think since 3 of the 4 members are from england? we are discussing ethnicity here and freddie is iranian.

magicalfreddiemercury wrote:

  Crisstti wrote: I just saw the interview, and Freddie does say he's Iranian.  I guess he must be, why else whould he say that?.  I had seen the interview before, but since English isn't my native language, I couldn'y understand everything that he said. It's a great interview, by the way.  Really funny.  "The bigger the better... in everything!", LOL.

I believe he says, "Persian", not Iranian. 'Persian' is one ethnic group living in Iran. They are not Iranian and they're not Arab. They're Persian. If someone here - not you Crisstti - wants to say Freddie was Iranian, then, whatever. I hardly think Freddie cares at this point.

Zebonka12 wrote:

  Treasure Moment wrote: the band is british yes, what do you think since 3 of the 4 members are from england? we are discussing ethnicity here and freddie is iranian.

All the best musicians are!

magicalfreddiemercury wrote: I believe he says, "Persian", not Iranian. 'Persian' is one ethnic group living in Iran. They are not Iranian and they're not Arab. They're Persian. If someone here - not you Crisstti - wants to say Freddie was Iranian, then, whatever. I hardly think Freddie cares at this point.

Crisstti wrote:

  magicalfreddiemercury wrote: I believe he says, "Persian", not Iranian. 'Persian' is one ethnic group living in Iran. They are not Iranian and they're not Arab. They're Persian. If someone here - not you Crisstti - wants to say Freddie was Iranian, then, whatever. I hardly think Freddie cares at this point.

I thought that Persian was the same than Iranian and that if someone is Persian/Iranian he/she is Arab...  Isn't it that way?.

Treasure Moment wrote: all the best musicians are from england? thats bullshit, there are good musicians from all different countries.

Zebonka12 wrote:

  Treasure Moment wrote: all the best musicians are from england? thats bullshit, there are good musicians from all different countries.

Since English isn't your first language, I'll do you a favour and explain what my post meant. Your sentence ended with a reference to Freddie being Iranian.  I then said to you, "All the best musicians are".  How did you get 'all the best musicians are from england' out of that?!?

Crisstti wrote:

magicalfreddiemercury wrote: I believe he says, "Persian", not Iranian. 'Persian' is one ethnic group living in Iran. They are not Iranian and they're not Arab. They're Persian. If someone here - not you Crisstti - wants to say Freddie was Iranian, then, whatever. I hardly think Freddie cares at this point.

I thought that Persian was the same than Iranian and that if someone is Persian/Iranian he/she is Arab...  Isn't it that way?.

Saif wrote: I so greatly admired his talents that his ethnicity mattered little to me.

Saif wrote:

  Crisstti wrote:  

      magicalfreddiemercury wrote:   I believe he says, "Persian", not Iranian. 'Persian' is one ethnic group living in Iran. They are not Iranian and they're not Arab. They're Persian. If someone here - not you Crisstti - wants to say Freddie was Iranian, then, whatever. I hardly think Freddie cares at this point.  

I thought that Persian was the same than Iranian and that if someone is Persian/Iranian he/she is Arab...  Isn't it that way?.

Are you crazy? Fucking ignoramus... What's next? "if someone is Asian he/she is Chinese"?

Treasure Moment wrote:

Saif wrote:

  Crisstti wrote:  

      magicalfreddiemercury wrote:   I believe he says, "Persian", not Iranian. 'Persian' is one ethnic group living in Iran. They are not Iranian and they're not Arab. They're Persian. If someone here - not you Crisstti - wants to say Freddie was Iranian, then, whatever. I hardly think Freddie cares at this point.  

I thought that Persian was the same than Iranian and that if someone is Persian/Iranian he/she is Arab...  Isn't it that way?.

Are you crazy? Fucking ignoramus... What's next? "if someone is Asian he/she is Chinese"?

are you retarded? persian is another word for iranian, THINK before you talk!

Saif wrote:

  Treasure Moment wrote:  

      Saif wrote:      

              Crisstti wrote:              

                              magicalfreddiemercury wrote:               I believe he says, "Persian", not Iranian. 'Persian' is one ethnic group living in Iran. They are not Iranian and they're not Arab. They're Persian. If someone here - not you Crisstti - wants to say Freddie was Iranian, then, whatever. I hardly think Freddie cares at this point.              

I thought that Persian was the same than Iranian and that if someone is Persian/Iranian he/she is Arab...  Isn't it that way?.

Are you crazy? Fucking ignoramus... What's next? "if someone is Asian he/she is Chinese"?

are you retarded? persian is another word for iranian, THINK before you talk!

Dumbass, didn't you see that I highlighted the part where he said that if someone is Persian then they're Arab.

Treasure Moment wrote: yes you were right, persian is another word for iranian, iranians btw arent arabs.

Saif wrote: Dumbass, didn't you see that I highlighted the part where he said that if someone is Persian then they're Arab.

Crisstti wrote:

  Saif wrote: Dumbass, didn't you see that I highlighted the part where he said that if someone is Persian then they're Arab.

Maybe you could make your point without insulting the another person.

Crisstti wrote:

  Treasure Moment wrote: yes you were right, persian is another word for iranian, iranians btw arent arabs.

Oh, I thought they were.

Treasure Moment wrote: iranians have a totally different language, culture and looks than arabs.

Crisstti wrote:

  Treasure Moment wrote: iranians have a totally different language, culture and looks than arabs.

What language do they speak?.

Treasure Moment wrote:

Saif wrote:

  Treasure Moment wrote:  

      Saif wrote:      

              Crisstti wrote:              

                              magicalfreddiemercury wrote:               I believe he says, "Persian", not Iranian. 'Persian' is one ethnic group living in Iran. They are not Iranian and they're not Arab. They're Persian. If someone here - not you Crisstti - wants to say Freddie was Iranian, then, whatever. I hardly think Freddie cares at this point.              

I thought that Persian was the same than Iranian and that if someone is Persian/Iranian he/she is Arab...  Isn't it that way?.

Are you crazy? Fucking ignoramus... What's next? "if someone is Asian he/she is Chinese"?

are you retarded? persian is another word for iranian, THINK before you talk!

Dumbass, didn't you see that I highlighted the part where he said that if someone is Persian then they're Arab.

alright, i missunderstood, read it too quickly.

  redspecialusa wrote:  

      Treasure Moment wrote:      

              Saif wrote:              

                              Treasure Moment wrote:                              

                                                              Saif wrote:                                                              

                                                                                                                              Crisstti wrote:                                                                                                                              

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              magicalfreddiemercury wrote:                                                                                                                               I believe he says, "Persian", not Iranian. 'Persian' is one ethnic group living in Iran. They are not Iranian and they're not Arab. They're Persian. If someone here - not you Crisstti - wants to say Freddie was Iranian, then, whatever. I hardly think Freddie cares at this point.                                                                                                                              

I thought that Persian was the same than Iranian and that if someone is Persian/Iranian he/she is Arab...  Isn't it that way?.

Are you crazy? Fucking ignoramus... What's next? "if someone is Asian he/she is Chinese"?

are you retarded? persian is another word for iranian, THINK before you talk!

Dumbass, didn't you see that I highlighted the part where he said that if someone is Persian then they're Arab.

alright, i missunderstood, read it too quickly.

I don't mean to cause more confusion, but I had the understanding that the Persians/Parsis and their culture originated from what is now Modern-Day Turkey.

April wrote: As far as I know, arabs and iranians are different nationalities. But iranians and persians are the same nationalities. Do we have iranians here or arabs to clear up the thing?

April wrote: Hi, Treasure Moment! Thank you for the clarification! You should know better than anyone else here! No doubt about that. And so I was right, I am proud of that. So Freddie was iranian=persian.

Treasure Moment wrote:

April wrote: Hi, Treasure Moment! Thank you for the clarification! You should know better than anyone else here! No doubt about that. And so I was right, I am proud of that. So Freddie was iranian=persian.

no problem, yes you were right, freddie was iranian.

Saif wrote:

  Treasure Moment wrote:  

      April wrote:   Hi, Treasure Moment! Thank you for the clarification! You should know better than anyone else here! No doubt about that. And so I was right, I am proud of that. So Freddie was iranian=persian.  

no problem, yes you were right, freddie was iranian.

Who coulda guessed? :'( Sad that he'd never get invited to Iran by Ahmedinejad since he was a fag(he'd probably be executed).

Saif wrote: At least Queen's music is "legal" in Iran, a distinction most bands can't boast of.

Holly2003 wrote: Fred was not Iranian unless you can answer yes to most of the following questions: Did he ever live in Iran? Did he have an Iranian passport or do anything to assert his Iranian national identity?  Did his parents ever live there or claim citizenship? Grandparents? There is a difference bewteen ethnicity and certified national identity. The terms persian and iranian are not interchangable at all. Saying in an interview "I'll always walk around like a Persian poppinjay" is not proof that he was Iranian: just as well you don't work for immigration control.

Holly2003 wrote: Fred was not Iranian unless you can answer yes to most of the following questions: Did he ever live in Iran? Did he have an Iranian passport or do anything to assert his Iranian national identity?  Did his parents ever live there or claim citizenship? Grandparents? There is a difference bewteen ethnicity and certified national identity. The terms persian and iranian are not interchangable at all. Saying in an interview "I'll always walk around like a Persian poppinjay" is not proof that he was Iranian: just as well you don't work for immigration control.

Saif wrote:

  Holly2003 wrote: Fred was not Iranian unless you can answer yes to most of the following questions: Did he ever live in Iran? Did he have an Iranian passport or do anything to assert his Iranian national identity?  Did his parents ever live there or claim citizenship? Grandparents? There is a difference bewteen ethnicity and certified national identity. The terms persian and iranian are not interchangable at all. Saying in an interview "I'll always walk around like a Persian poppinjay" is not proof that he was Iranian: just as well you don't work for immigration control.

Yeah....but he was Iranian (FACT!). You know what I mean.[img=/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif][/img]

Treasure Moment wrote:

Saif wrote:

  Holly2003 wrote: Fred was not Iranian unless you can answer yes to most of the following questions: Did he ever live in Iran? Did he have an Iranian passport or do anything to assert his Iranian national identity?  Did his parents ever live there or claim citizenship? Grandparents? There is a difference bewteen ethnicity and certified national identity. The terms persian and iranian are not interchangable at all. Saying in an interview "I'll always walk around like a Persian poppinjay" is not proof that he was Iranian: just as well you don't work for immigration control.

Yeah....but he was Iranian (FACT!). You know what I mean.[img=/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif][/img]

its like saying a japanease guy is german just cause he lived in germany, doesnt work like that. Freddie was iranian because of genetics, the people with similar genetics as him are gathered in Iran and thats why he is iranian.

Holly2003 wrote: Fred was not Iranian unless you can answer yes to most of the following questions: Did he ever live in Iran? Did he have an Iranian passport or do anything to assert his Iranian national identity?  Did his parents ever live there or claim citizenship? Grandparents? There is a difference bewteen ethnicity and certified national identity. The terms persian and iranian are not interchangable at all. Saying in an interview "I'll always walk around like a Persian poppinjay" is not proof that he was Iranian: just as well you don't work for immigration control.

Crisstti wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: Fred was not Iranian unless you can answer yes to most of the following questions: Did he ever live in Iran? Did he have an Iranian passport or do anything to assert his Iranian national identity?  Did his parents ever live there or claim citizenship? Grandparents? There is a difference bewteen ethnicity and certified national identity. The terms persian and iranian are not interchangable at all. Saying in an interview "I'll always walk around like a Persian poppinjay" is not proof that he was Iranian: just as well you don't work for immigration control.

But we were talking about ethnicity.

kosimodo wrote: A bit of research does make me believe that He believed Himself that He was Iranian. Wikipedia writes about the Iran naming dispute that "The name Persia was the official name of Iran in the Western world before 1935, but the Iranian people inside their country since the time of Zoroaster (probably circa 1000 BC), or even before, have called their country "Aryanam" (the equivalent of "Iran" in the proto-Iranian language) or its equivalents." Freddie, being Zoroastrian, and the Zoroastrians being the first to call Persia for Aryanam does give me the idea that, like the Jews, He felt Iranian. However.. Parsi looks an awfull lot like Pars and Persia... Somebody a better idea??

Holly2003 wrote: Stop quoting Thickopedia to me. I wipe my arse on print-outs of Thickopedia "facts". Ethnicity -- great --wonderful -- now how can any of you know what Fred's ethnicity was unless you know his family tree? Just how far back do Fred's roots go in India? How much did his family marry outside his ethnic group etc. None of you know so your conclusion that he is Iranian is absolute nonsense. As for TM, he wants to claim Fred as Iranian because TM is Iranian (and as mad as a bag of rabid cats). I doubt for one second that Fred ever considered himself Iranian.    http://www.time.com/time/asia/2006/heroes/at_bulsara.html

Zebonka12 wrote: How did you get so smart?

Treasure Moment wrote:

  Holly2003 wrote: Stop quoting Thickopedia to me. I wipe my arse on print-outs of Thickopedia "facts". Ethnicity -- great --wonderful -- now how can any of you know what Fred's ethnicity was unless you know his family tree? Just how far back do Fred's roots go in India? How much did his family marry outside his ethnic group etc. None of you know so your conclusion that he is Iranian is absolute nonsense. As for TM, he wants to claim Fred as Iranian because TM is Iranian (and as mad as a bag of rabid cats). I doubt for one second that Fred ever considered himself Iranian.    http://www.time.com/time/asia/2006/heroes/at_bulsara.html

has nothing to do with that, he was iranian 100% genetically, he even referred to himself as a persian. You arent an iranian and obviously cant recognize one but i can.

Treasure Moment wrote:

Zebonka12 wrote: How did you get so smart?

yeah good questíon

Zebonka12 wrote:

  Treasure Moment wrote:  

      Zebonka12 wrote:   How did you get so smart?  

yeah good questíon

I would actually like to know, you smelly Iranian cocksucker.  How do I get as smart as you?  I want to know right now; is it the kind of thing that can be taught, or is it just something you're born with, like Maybelline? Fuck yeah.

Treasure Moment wrote:

Zebonka12 wrote:

  Treasure Moment wrote:  

      Zebonka12 wrote:   How did you get so smart?  

yeah good questíon

I would actually like to know, you smelly Iranian cocksucker.  How do I get as smart as you?  I want to know right now; is it the kind of thing that can be taught, or is it just something you're born with, like Maybelline? Fuck yeah.

STFU clown, go suck something.

  Holly2003 wrote: Stop quoting Thickopedia to me. I wipe my arse on print-outs of Thickopedia "facts". Ethnicity -- great --wonderful -- now how can any of you know what Fred's ethnicity was unless you know his family tree? Just how far back do Fred's roots go in India? How much did his family marry outside his ethnic group etc. None of you know so your conclusion that he is Iranian is absolute nonsense. As for TM, he wants to claim Fred as Iranian because TM is Iranian (and as mad as a bag of rabid cats). I doubt for one second that Fred ever considered himself Iranian.    http://www.time.com/time/asia/2006/heroes/at_bulsara.html

Crisstti wrote:

      Holly2003 wrote:   Stop quoting Thickopedia to me. I wipe my arse on print-outs of Thickopedia "facts". Ethnicity -- great --wonderful -- now how can any of you know what Fred's ethnicity was unless you know his family tree? Just how far back do Fred's roots go in India? How much did his family marry outside his ethnic group etc. None of you know so your conclusion that he is Iranian is absolute nonsense. As for TM, he wants to claim Fred as Iranian because TM is Iranian (and as mad as a bag of rabid cats). I doubt for one second that Fred ever considered himself Iranian.    http://www.time.com/time/asia/2006/heroes/at_bulsara.html  

How can we know what Freddie's ethnicity was?.  What about his own statement that he was Iranian?. We, indeed, do not know his family tree, but he himself must have known.  Certainly better than you.  And he said he was Iranian.  I don't see why should we doubt his word. You doubt that he considered himself Iranian?.  Did you even watch the video provided here, in which he says he is Iranian...?.  Or are you saying that Times Asia is a more reliable source about Freddie's ethnicity than himself...?.

  Holly2003 wrote: Maybe you should watch and listen to the video a little more carefully.

Holly2003 wrote:

  Crisstti wrote:  

              Holly2003 wrote:       Stop quoting Thickopedia to me. I wipe my arse on print-outs of Thickopedia "facts". Ethnicity -- great --wonderful -- now how can any of you know what Fred's ethnicity was unless you know his family tree? Just how far back do Fred's roots go in India? How much did his family marry outside his ethnic group etc. None of you know so your conclusion that he is Iranian is absolute nonsense. As for TM, he wants to claim Fred as Iranian because TM is Iranian (and as mad as a bag of rabid cats). I doubt for one second that Fred ever considered himself Iranian.    http://www.time.com/time/asia/2006/heroes/at_bulsara.html      

How can we know what Freddie's ethnicity was?.  What about his own statement that he was Iranian?. We, indeed, do not know his family tree, but he himself must have known.  Certainly better than you.  And he said he was Iranian.  I don't see why should we doubt his word. You doubt that he considered himself Iranian?.  Did you even watch the video provided here, in which he says he is Iranian...?.  Or are you saying that Times Asia is a more reliable source about Freddie's ethnicity than himself...?.

Maybe you should watch and listen to the video a little more carefully.

Crisstti wrote:

      Holly2003 wrote:   Maybe you should watch and listen to the video a little more carefully.  

I doubt I'm going to listen anything I haven't listened already.  English isn't my first language.  So please tell me if there's anything I'm missing.

Treasure Moment wrote: STFU clown, go suck something.

Crisstti wrote:

      Holly2003 wrote:   Maybe you should watch and listen to the video a little more carefully.  

I doubt I'm going to listen anything I haven't listened already.  English isn't my first language.  So please tell me if there's anything I'm missing.

Holly2003 wrote:

  Crisstti wrote:  

              Holly2003 wrote:       Maybe you should watch and listen to the video a little more carefully.      

I doubt I'm going to listen anything I haven't listened already.  English isn't my first language.  So please tell me if there's anything I'm missing.

I'm sure you;re familiar with the terms metaphor and simile. I'm sure you also know, in any event that the term 'Persian' is nebulous at best, and is not at all interchangable with 'Iranian'. And I'm sure you know that ethnicity is seldom straightforward, especially when a family like the Bulsara has lived in another country for a number of generations (we don't know how many, do we?). Is it a 1000 years? Is it even possible to trace their linage? Does it make any sense to? If I was to trace my linage 1000 years I'm sure I would find Norman, Saxon, Celtic, Norse etc ancestors. Ethnicty can be very hard to pin down, and using modern-day terms such as 'Iranian' can be pointless.

Treasure Moment wrote: stop talking out of your ass! persian= iranian, im a persian myself so dont try to tell me what it is, freddie was 100% iranian, its clear as day, any iranian would instantly recognize him as one.

Holly2003 wrote: How's the rap music career going TM? Any more team-ups planned?

magicalfreddiemercury wrote: ParisNair... you are my new favorite Queenzoner.  But be prepared, all of your wonderful facts will soon be disputed by someone else's FACTs. :-/

ParisNair wrote: Continued from previous... Bomi Bulsara took his wife to Zanzibar as well, and they soon had a son and a daughter whm they called Farokh and Kashmira, respectively. And the rest, is Rock n Roll history. I hope y'all can now put 2 and 2 together and not make 5. Best regards, P Nair

Holly2003 wrote:

Crisstti wrote:

      Holly2003 wrote:   Maybe you should watch and listen to the video a little more carefully.  

I doubt I'm going to listen anything I haven't listened already.  English isn't my first language.  So please tell me if there's anything I'm missing.

I'm sure you;re familiar with the terms metaphor and simile. I'm sure you also know, in any event that the term 'Persian' is nebulous at best, and is not at all interchangable with 'Iranian'. And I'm sure you know that ethnicity is seldom straightforward, especially when a family like the Bulsara has lived in another country for a number of generations (we don't know how many, do we?). Is it a 1000 years? Is it even possible to trace their linage? Does it make any sense to? If I was to trace my linage 1000 years I'm sure I would find Norman, Saxon, Celtic, Norse etc ancestors. Ethnicty can be very hard to pin down, and using modern-day terms such as 'Iranian' can be pointless.

Treasure Moment wrote: nice story 

he is GENETICALLY iranian.

April wrote:

  Holly2003 wrote:  

  Crisstti wrote:  

              Holly2003 wrote:       Maybe you should watch and listen to the video a little more carefully.      

I doubt I'm going to listen anything I haven't listened already.  English isn't my first language.  So please tell me if there's anything I'm missing.

I'm sure you;re familiar with the terms metaphor and simile. I'm sure you also know, in any event that the term 'Persian' is nebulous at best, and is not at all interchangable with 'Iranian'. And I'm sure you know that ethnicity is seldom straightforward, especially when a family like the Bulsara has lived in another country for a number of generations (we don't know how many, do we?). Is it a 1000 years? Is it even possible to trace their linage? Does it make any sense to? If I was to trace my linage 1000 years I'm sure I would find Norman, Saxon, Celtic, Norse etc ancestors. Ethnicty can be very hard to pin down, and using modern-day terms such as 'Iranian' can be pointless.

This is irrelevant, all these Norman, Saxon...now in Britain it is English, Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish ethnicities only. You shouldn't complicate things so much and nobody does. Nobody in Britain says "I am Saxon". This would be wrong and funny and ridiculous, and right because, as you've said, nationalities mix up, and some ethnic characteristics die out or transform into other features. So Freddie was IRANIAN. All other century-back-characteristics are irrelevant.

ParisNair wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: nice story 

Thanks. I'll treasure this moment [img=/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif][/img] .

he is GENETICALLY iranian.

To start with he is not Iranian. Secondly, please check what "genetics" means, you may want to check the meaning of "race" and "enthinicity" as well so that you know what you're talking. But most importantly, get a clue. Best Regards, P Nair

ParisNair wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: nice story 

Thanks. I'll treasure this moment [img=/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif][/img] .

he is GENETICALLY iranian.

To start with he is not Iranian. Secondly, please check what "genetics" means, you may want to check the meaning of "race" and "enthinicity" as well so that you know what you're talking. But most importantly, get a clue. Best Regards, P Nair

April wrote: This is irrelevant, all these Norman, Saxon...now in Britain it is English, Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish ethnicities only. You shouldn't complicate things so much and nobody does. Nobody in Britain says "I am Saxon". This would be wrong and funny and ridiculous, and right because, as you've said, nationalities mix up, and some ethnic characteristics die out or transform into other features. So Freddie was IRANIAN. All other century-back-characteristics are irrelevant.

Holly2003 wrote:

  ParisNair wrote:  

Treasure Moment wrote: nice story 

Thanks. I'll treasure this moment [img=/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif][/img] .

To start with he is not Iranian. Secondly, please check what "genetics" means, you may want to check the meaning of "race" and "enthinicity" as well so that you know what you're talking. But most importantly, get a clue. Best Regards, P Nair

Don't forget, TM claims to be a student of genetics at some Swedish university, so he knows his stuff. Like those alien babies he believes in... [img=/images/smiley/msn/confused_smile.gif" />

ParisNair wrote:

April wrote: This is irrelevant, all these Norman, Saxon...now in Britain it is English, Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish ethnicities only. You shouldn't complicate things so much and nobody does. Nobody in Britain says "I am Saxon". This would be wrong and funny and ridiculous, and right because, as you've said, nationalities mix up, and some ethnic characteristics die out or transform into other features. So Freddie was IRANIAN. All other century-back-characteristics are irrelevant.

Dear April, if all other century-back-characteristics are irrelevant, then our Freddie was just plain British. What is worth considering is that our Freddie's community as a whole shares a common significant history which has had a irreversible culturable impact. Describing our Freddie a "British Parsi" should say it all because it automatically tells you the part of the world his ancestors came from (Persia), the part of the world his family shares its culture with (India) and the part of the world he ultimately called home. You can apply the same to Afro-Americans, Boers, Anglo-Indians, Indo-Guyanese.

Holly2003 wrote: I hope you're being sarcastic. If so, haha, if not please read on... This was an example to show just how complicated ethnicty can be. Most races are mongrel, and the idea of a pure race of Persians that has existed for over 1000 years is complete nonsense, as is your assertion that Fred is Iranian.

  Saif wrote: Holly, don't bother reasoning with Cristti. He/she/it is a stubborn, illiterate, ignorant and guileless fool.

Crisstti wrote: Sure it's extremely unlikely that Freddie was purely Iranian/Persian - by the way, I've looked online and I've seen nothing to suggest they aren't the same - but he still considered himself Persian, and if accept that Jews consider themselves Jews despite living in another country for 2000 years, I don't see why we shouldn't accept Iranians or Persians feeling the same way.

ParisNair wrote:

Crisstti wrote: Sure it's extremely unlikely that Freddie was purely Iranian/Persian - by the way, I've looked online and I've seen nothing to suggest they aren't the same - but he still considered himself Persian, and if accept that Jews consider themselves Jews despite living in another country for 2000 years, I don't see why we shouldn't accept Iranians or Persians feeling the same way.

Hi Crisstti, let me surprise you by stating that there is every likelyhood that our Freddie was of "pure" Parsi descent. Read on- 1) As a rule, a Parsi can only marry a person practising their ancient Zoroastrian faith. 2) If they marry outside their faith, the children born out of such a union will never be considered Parsi nor Zoroastrian. 3) Zoroastrians donot prosletyze, they have no system of conversion, no way a non-Zororoastrian can become one. In other words, since both his parents were Parsi, our Freddie was himself a pure, unadulterated Parsi. And Kashmira, who married Mr Cooke, can never take her kids inside the Parsi place of worship (it is called a Fire Temple). Please do note that I'm using the term "Parsi" here, so I only refer to those Zoroastrians who moved to India to avoid religious persecution 1000s of years ago. The Zoroastrians who stayed back in Persia and are consequently residing in present day Iran follow customs which are markedly different from that of the Parsis. Hence the stress on identifying our Freddie as a Parsi and not as a Persian/Iranian/Indian. And yes, there is a difference between a Persian and an Iranian. Crisstti, I liked the dignified way you responded to the rude poster, hope others can learn from it. All the best! P Nair

Marcos Napier wrote: Skipped most of the last replies, holy jesus. The same way people have skipped genetic classes and history classes too. Just for you to discuss a little more: Saddam Houssein was a Mesopotamian. (NO HE WAS A TARRORIZT some will say) Citizenship is NOT ethnicity. Fenotype is not genotype.

Marcos Napier wrote: Skipped most of the last replies, holy jesus. The same way people have skipped genetic classes and history classes too. .

Holly2003 wrote:

  Marcos Napier wrote: Skipped most of the last replies, holy jesus. The same way people have skipped genetic classes and history classes too. .

I can feel Queenzone sucking the life right out of me, like a vampire that feeds on intelligence instead of blood. Prolonged exposure will lead to Treasure Moment-like idiocy.

Treasure Moment wrote:

  Holly2003 wrote:  

      Marcos Napier wrote:   Skipped most of the last replies, holy jesus. The same way people have skipped genetic classes and history classes too. .  

I can feel Queenzone sucking the life right out of me, like a vampire that feeds on intelligence instead of blood. Prolonged exposure will lead to Treasure Moment-like idiocy.

nah, you are just dumb by default, freddie was iranian, FACT, end of discussion.

ParisNair wrote:

April wrote: This is irrelevant, all these Norman, Saxon...now in Britain it is English, Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish ethnicities only. You shouldn't complicate things so much and nobody does. Nobody in Britain says "I am Saxon". This would be wrong and funny and ridiculous, and right because, as you've said, nationalities mix up, and some ethnic characteristics die out or transform into other features. So Freddie was IRANIAN. All other century-back-characteristics are irrelevant.

Dear April, if all other century-back-characteristics are irrelevant, then our Freddie was just plain British. What is worth considering is that our Freddie's community as a whole shares a common significant history which has had a irreversible culturable impact. Describing our Freddie a "British Parsi" should say it all because it automatically tells you the part of the world his ancestors came from (Persia), the part of the world his family shares its culture with (India) and the part of the world he ultimately called home. You can apply the same to Afro-Americans, Boers, Anglo-Indians, Indo-Guyanese.

Crisstti wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: I hope you're being sarcastic. If so, haha, if not please read on... This was an example to show just how complicated ethnicty can be. Most races are mongrel, and the idea of a pure race of Persians that has existed for over 1000 years is complete nonsense, as is your assertion that Fred is Iranian.

Sure it's extremely unlikely that Freddie was purely Iranian/Persian - by the way, I've looked online and I've seen nothing to suggest they aren't the same - but he still considered himself Persian, and if accept that Jews consider themselves Jews despite living in another country for 2000 years, I don't see why we shouldn't accept Iranians or Persians feeling the same way.

  April wrote:  

      Crisstti wrote:      

      Holly2003 wrote:       I hope you're being sarcastic. If so, haha, if not please read on... This was an example to show just how complicated ethnicty can be. Most races are mongrel, and the idea of a pure race of Persians that has existed for over 1000 years is complete nonsense, as is your assertion that Fred is Iranian.      

Sure it's extremely unlikely that Freddie was purely Iranian/Persian - by the way, I've looked online and I've seen nothing to suggest they aren't the same - but he still considered himself Persian, and if accept that Jews consider themselves Jews despite living in another country for 2000 years, I don't see why we shouldn't accept Iranians or Persians feeling the same way.

I like your way of reasoning. Jews who live in a certain country may say that they are, for example, Polish, but then they mean their nationality or national identity, their citizenship, anything but not ethnicity. And they know very well that they are jews, even if they are half-jews. Freddie's core ethnicity was Iranian-Persian and certainly not British, since this ethnicity doesn't exist. I don't think that you would insist that he was Scottish or English or Welsh? Ha-ha! He wasn't Indian either. So what would you say he was if not Iranian-Persian???????????

ParisNair wrote: Hi Crisstti, let me surprise you by stating that there is every likelyhood that our Freddie was of "pure" Parsi descent. Read on- 1) As a rule, a Parsi can only marry a person practising their ancient Zoroastrian faith. 2) If they marry outside their faith, the children born out of such a union will never be considered Parsi nor Zoroastrian. 3) Zoroastrians donot prosletyze, they have no system of conversion, no way a non-Zororoastrian can become one. In other words, since both his parents were Parsi, our Freddie was himself a pure, unadulterated Parsi. And Kashmira, who married Mr Cooke, can never take her kids inside the Parsi place of worship (it is called a Fire Temple). Please do note that I'm using the term "Parsi" here, so I only refer to those Zoroastrians who moved to India to avoid religious persecution 1000s of years ago. The Zoroastrians who stayed back in Persia and are consequently residing in present day Iran follow customs which are markedly different from that of the Parsis. Hence the stress on identifying our Freddie as a Parsi and not as a Persian/Iranian/Indian. And yes, there is a difference between a Persian and an Iranian. Crisstti, I liked the dignified way you responded to the rude poster, hope others can learn from it. All the best! P Nair

Saif wrote: Generally speaking, all ethnic groups that inhabited ancient Iran and spoke Iranian languages are considered "Iranian" peoples. As such, Kurds, Pashtuns, Persians, etc. all are "Iranian". And Persians are just Persian, as simple as that. Iran isn't a very homogenous country, never was. Last time I checked, true "Persians" barely made up half the population. Parsis are certainly of Persian descent, no doubt about that. I would have no problem with Treasure Moment saying stuff like "Freddie = Persian. Me = Persian" or any other shit like that. But he's saying "Freddie = Iranian = Me" which isn't correct. You could call him "Indo-Persian" if you must. As Holly mentioned, Parsis practise endogamy, even males generally marry within their own community. For females, marrying a non-Parsi is a taboo. I think you'll find similar traditions among Orthodox Jews in the US and Europe. For the last time, Persian =/= Iranian. That's like saying The Godfather = Goodfellas, which is also wrong(both are great though).

Holly2003 wrote:

  April wrote:  

      Crisstti wrote:      

      Holly2003 wrote:       I hope you're being sarcastic. If so, haha, if not please read on... This was an example to show just how complicated ethnicty can be. Most races are mongrel, and the idea of a pure race of Persians that has existed for over 1000 years is complete nonsense, as is your assertion that Fred is Iranian.      

Sure it's extremely unlikely that Freddie was purely Iranian/Persian - by the way, I've looked online and I've seen nothing to suggest they aren't the same - but he still considered himself Persian, and if accept that Jews consider themselves Jews despite living in another country for 2000 years, I don't see why we shouldn't accept Iranians or Persians feeling the same way.

I like your way of reasoning. Jews who live in a certain country may say that they are, for example, Polish, but then they mean their nationality or national identity, their citizenship, anything but not ethnicity. And they know very well that they are jews, even if they are half-jews. Freddie's core ethnicity was Iranian-Persian and certainly not British, since this ethnicity doesn't exist. I don't think that you would insist that he was Scottish or English or Welsh? Ha-ha! He wasn't Indian either. So what would you say he was if not Iranian-Persian???????????

Holy crap. When I said Fred was British I was winding up the imbecilic Treasured Bowel Movement. But obviously you share a room in his sanitorium too. Fred is clearly Indian Parsi, a community separated from the geographical area (not country) that now includes Iran by OVER 1000 YEARS!  I can feel the life draining out of me as I write this...

Holly2003 wrote: Fred is clearly Indian Parsi, a community separated from the geographical area (not country) that now includes Iran by OVER 1000 YEARS!

Crisstti wrote: It seems that Parsi says a lot more culturally than, say, racially, and it would be the other way around with "Persian".

Saif wrote: Parsis are certainly of Persian descent, no doubt about that.

April wrote:

 

It's you who should be send to a lynatic asylum, asylum seeker. Only you are speaking in a way that shows you are very much annoyed and nervous. Haven't completed your mental treatment lately? Don't waste precious time, go now, or it might be too late! So my precious, you've asked for it! Look at the previous posts and see that I haven't said a single wrong or rude word to you. Now we are quits. So stop it.

April wrote: What is broader: Iranian or Parsi?

Saif wrote: I would have no problem with Treasure Moment saying stuff like "Freddie = Persian." But he's saying "Freddie = Iranian = Me" which isn't correct.

easternwolf wrote: simply put...

But if you do a DNA analysis...

Lohana..celtic..1500 BC...

ParisNair wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: Fred is clearly Indian Parsi, a community separated from the geographical area (not country) that now includes Iran by OVER 1000 YEARS!

Totally!

Crisstti wrote: It seems that Parsi says a lot more culturally than, say, racially, and it would be the other way around with "Persian".

Saif wrote: Parsis are certainly of Persian descent, no doubt about that.

See, you two agreed on something. You can be friends too!! So our Freddie was an ethnic Persian, and if you want to give a clearer picture of his cultural identity, you could say he was a Parsi.

ParisNair wrote:

April wrote: What is broader: Iranian or Parsi?

Saif wrote: I would have no problem with Treasure Moment saying stuff like "Freddie = Persian." But he's saying "Freddie = Iranian = Me" which isn't correct.

I am not sure if I would be able to expalin the difference between Persian and Iranian very well, but I guess it would be like an Aztec and a Mexican (again I'm not sure if this is the right example). What I'm trying to say is that Persians were the original inhabitants of the region while Iranians are a mixture of various ethnicities (as mentioned by Saif) which migrated and settled down in the region (and still largely inhabit it) as a result of various invasions, trade, etc.   Let me put it this way: you won't find any "ethinic Iranians"- Iranians consist of various ethinic groups. Having said that, ethinic Persians also form a sizable population of the Republic of Tajikistan. You won't call these people Iranian would you? Hence our Freddie (like all Parsis) is an ethnic Persian and describing him as Iranian is inaccurate as well as misleading. I hope this clears it up for you April :-) By the way the Parsis speak Gujarati and cannot speak Persian. Only the priests use the original Persian language for religious ceremonies. Even the bhajans (devotional songs) are in Gujarati (as you can see in the Untold Story). And the name "Bulsara" is derived from a small village called "Bulsar" in Gujarat. I even read somewhere that "Parsi" itself is a Gujarati word, but I don't think that's true. Gee I intended this post to be a one or two-liner but it has run into paragraphs. Sorry Marcos ;-)

Marcos Napier wrote: Freddie isn't Iranian. There aren't gays in Iran. [zebonka mode off]

easternwolf wrote: I used to be on QZ but was away for 2 years and forgot my ID so not new here. As for persians speaking 'farsi' or 'avestian' I live in Bombay and I know quite a lot of parsis here but they speak in Gujarati.

Saif wrote: They use Avestan

wolf wrote: blah blah blah...

we are all brothers (big hug to everyone)

Treasure Moment wrote: the reason freddie was iranian is that the people with similar genetics to him are gathered in a place called iran, FACT, end of discussion.

easternwolf wrote: TM Chutya hai, lagta hai lund chuske bada hua.

April wrote: Guys from India! It's been most interesting to read your posts, you can't even imagine how much I have got from them. Thank you for your contributions and tolerance! Well, actually we know so little about India and all the things connected with it...

easternwolf wrote: TM Chutya hai, lagta hai lund chuske bada hua.