***Marial-B*** 23.05.2007 06:31 |
Sorry Cass, this has to be done sometime soon. Discuss |
The Mir@cle 23.05.2007 06:33 |
Dylan for president! |
***Marial-B*** 23.05.2007 06:34 |
You lost all my respect here Tijn :P. |
The Mir@cle 23.05.2007 06:35 |
I love you too Mari! |
The Fairy King 23.05.2007 06:41 |
Bob Dylan? Discuss. |
Mr Mercury 23.05.2007 06:43 |
As a songwriter I think he is excellent but as a singer he leaves a lot to be desired. His songs are nearly always better when sung by someone else. |
***Marial-B*** 23.05.2007 06:47 |
<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: Bob Dylan? Discuss.Yes, if I said sorry to Cassie... it's obvious then, isn't it??? |
sparrow 21754 23.05.2007 09:53 |
Mr Mercury wrote: As a songwriter I think he is excellent but as a singer he leaves a lot to be desired. His songs are nearly always better when sung by someone else. |
its_a_hard_life 26994 23.05.2007 13:10 |
I have to disagree! I like Bob. :D |
thomasquinn 32989 23.05.2007 13:25 |
Right people, choose your sides in this thread: Musical Morons or Bob Dylan-ain't-bad-at-all League. Seriously, I cannot respond meaningfully to a thread like this*. * implying: absolute silliness |
Haystacks Calhoun II 23.05.2007 13:28 |
Bob Dylan: "But I know that those songs are just in my genes and I couldn't stop them comin' out." Translation: I'm a pretentious asshole. Bob Dylan: "I don't like to make records. I do it reluctantly." Translation: I'm doing you all a huge favor by forcing myself to grace you all with my genius. Bob Dylan: "I feel like nobody's gonna know how I should sound except me anyway, nobody knows what they want out of players except me, nobody can tell a player what he's doing wrong, nobody can find a player who can play but he's not playing, like I can. I can do that in my sleep." Translation: I invented music and I'm the world's best at it. Bob Dylan: "On this record I didn't have anybody to teach. I got guys now in my band, they can whip up anything, they surprise even me." Translation: I am Bob Dylan. I am the greatest musician, nay, person on the face of the Earth. If any other musician can impress me, Bob Dylan, the holy father of all music then they must be incredible Bob Dylan: "The records I used to listen to and still love, you can't make a record that sounds that way." Translation: These whippersnappers today with their electric guitars and them boom boxes just don't know how great music used to be. Everything now is terrible. Everything from before was great. Except when they were saying that about me in the sixties. Bob Dylan: "Brian Wilson, he made all his records with four tracks, but you couldn't make his records if you had a hundred tracks today." Translation: It would be impossible to use only four tracks if you have one hundred available. The laws of mathematics prove this. Bob Dylan: "We all like records that are played on record players, but let's face it, those days are gon-n-n-e. You do the best you can, you fight that technology in all kinds of ways, but I don't know anybody who's made a record that sounds decent in the past twenty years, really." Translation: An enormous, temperature-sensitive disc of wax, prone to easy damaged and degrading in sound from the moment it is manufactured is infinitely superior to digital technology. Everyone in the world would prefer a record to a CD because it takes up much more space and is infinitely inferior in every way. That's just a fact, there's no way to prove what I just said wrong in any way. Also, as a side note, there has been no good-sounding music recordings in twenty years. I'm Bob Dylan, the older brother of Jesus Christ and God's favorite son and I have just said this therefore it is 100% true. Bob Dylan: "You listen to these modern records, they're atrocious, they have sound all over them. There's no definition of nothing, no vocal, no nothing, just like -- static." Translation: I do not know how to properly operate a CD player. Bob Dylan: "Even these songs probably sounded ten times better in the studio when we recorded 'em." Translation: Even songs that were written and recorded by me, Bob Dylan, the greatest musician in the world and son of Zeus do not sounding good using modern technology. If music by someone as amazing and outstanding as myself can't sound good then how could anyone else possibly stand a chance? After all, I'm Bob Dylan, the creator of everything good in the universe and personal mentor to God. Bob Dylan: "CDs are small. There's no stature to it." Translation: It is the size of CDs that affect sound. Records are bigger. Bigger is better. That's just common sense. Bob Dylan: "I remember when that Napster guy came up across, it was like, 'Everybody's gettin' music for free.' I was like, 'Well, why not? It ain't worth nothing anyway.'" Translation: Technology has ruined everything that is great in the world. Furthermore, I wish that people still died at the age of thirty and that we had to walk barefoot everywhere we go. |
thomasquinn 32989 23.05.2007 13:31 |
Quite a feat, misinterpreting quotes jerked out of context so much. Did you ever think of working for Ann Coulter, Haystacks? |
Haystacks Calhoun II 23.05.2007 14:02 |
<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: Quite a feat, misinterpreting quotes jerked out of context so much. Did you ever think of working for Ann Coulter, Haystacks?Its a joke, dickweed... Man, the issues you have. |
deleted user 23.05.2007 14:42 |
Haystacks Calhounski wrote: Bob Dylan: "But I know that those songs are just in my genes and I couldn't stop them comin' out." Translation: I'm a pretentious asshole. Bob Dylan: "I don't like to make records. I do it reluctantly." Translation: I'm doing you all a huge favor by forcing myself to grace you all with my genius. Bob Dylan: "I feel like nobody's gonna know how I should sound except me anyway, nobody knows what they want out of players except me, nobody can tell a player what he's doing wrong, nobody can find a player who can play but he's not playing, like I can. I can do that in my sleep." Translation: I invented music and I'm the world's best at it. Bob Dylan: "On this record I didn't have anybody to teach. I got guys now in my band, they can whip up anything, they surprise even me." Translation: I am Bob Dylan. I am the greatest musician, nay, person on the face of the Earth. If any other musician can impress me, Bob Dylan, the holy father of all music then they must be incredible Bob Dylan: "The records I used to listen to and still love, you can't make a record that sounds that way." Translation: These whippersnappers today with their electric guitars and them boom boxes just don't know how great music used to be. Everything now is terrible. Everything from before was great. Except when they were saying that about me in the sixties. Bob Dylan: "Brian Wilson, he made all his records with four tracks, but you couldn't make his records if you had a hundred tracks today." Translation: It would be impossible to use only four tracks if you have one hundred available. The laws of mathematics prove this. Bob Dylan: "We all like records that are played on record players, but let's face it, those days are gon-n-n-e. You do the best you can, you fight that technology in all kinds of ways, but I don't know anybody who's made a record that sounds decent in the past twenty years, really." Translation: An enormous, temperature-sensitive disc of wax, prone to easy damaged and degrading in sound from the moment it is manufactured is infinitely superior to digital technology. Everyone in the world would prefer a record to a CD because it takes up much more space and is infinitely inferior in every way. That's just a fact, there's no way to prove what I just said wrong in any way. Also, as a side note, there has been no good-sounding music recordings in twenty years. I'm Bob Dylan, the older brother of Jesus Christ and God's favorite son and I have just said this therefore it is 100% true. Bob Dylan: "You listen to these modern records, they're atrocious, they have sound all over them. There's no definition of nothing, no vocal, no nothing, just like -- static." Translation: I do not know how to properly operate a CD player. Bob Dylan: "Even these songs probably sounded ten times better in the studio when we recorded 'em." Translation: Even songs that were written and recorded by me, Bob Dylan, the greatest musician in the world and son of Zeus do not sounding good using modern technology. If music by someone as amazing and outstanding as myself can't sound good then how could anyone else possibly stand a chance? After all, I'm Bob Dylan, the creator of everything good in the universe and personal mentor to God. Bob Dylan: "CDs are small. There's no stature to it." Translation: It is the size of CDs that affect sound. Records are bigger. Bigger is better. That's just common sense. Bob Dylan: "I remember when that Napster guy came up across, it was like, 'Everybody's gettin' music for free.' I was like, 'Well, why not? It ain't worth nothing anyway.'" Translation: Technology has ruined everything that is great in the world. Furthermore, I wish that people still died at the age of thirty and that we had to walk barefoot everywhere we go.LOL. Ca |
Mr.Jingles 23.05.2007 14:46 |
Looks like Dylan is not quite fond of the advancement of technology to improve the quality of modern sound recording. The times are a' changing, Bob. But no worries, your albums will sell as long as there's weed around. |
user name 23.05.2007 15:37 |
I respect Bob Dylan...a lot. But I just can't stand his music. |
.DeaconJohn. 23.05.2007 15:55 |
As a really big Bob Dylan fan, I have to side with Mr Quinn on this one. Each to their own though. |
user name 23.05.2007 16:19 |
.DeaconJohn. wrote: Mr Quinn Each to their own though.Isn't that a contradiction? |
Matias Merçeauroix 24.05.2007 02:12 |
worst musician ever. Even worse than Shitty Page. |
***Marial-B*** 24.05.2007 02:40 |
Who's Shit Page??? Jimmy Page??? If that's so... you're fucked up xD |
Matias Merçeauroix 24.05.2007 04:22 |
No, he's fucked up. He's always been fucked up. But the world is even more fucked up than him, and that's why so many idiots think of him as the greatest guitarist. ah |
***Marial-B*** 24.05.2007 04:33 |
Man, he's not the best, but he's great... Stay on topic!!!! Dylan!!!!! |
eenaweena 24.05.2007 05:27 |
i thought that knockin' on heaven's door would sound more mellow... like all the remakes... turns out it sounds like reggae. O.o |
***Marial-B*** 24.05.2007 06:17 |
Feels like I'm knocking on heaven's doors |
Mr.Jingles 24.05.2007 07:18 |
Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: No, he's fucked up. He's always been fucked up. But the world is even more fucked up than him, and that's why so many idiots think of him as the greatest guitarist. ahOK, I think I know where you're getting at? You're still mad that Jimmy Page allowed P.Diddy to be musically rape 'Kashmir' in an absolutely horrendours act of artistic blasphemy. It's been almost 10 years and I'm still not over it yet. |
Matias Merçeauroix 24.05.2007 13:36 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:Nope.Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: No, he's fucked up. He's always been fucked up. But the world is even more fucked up than him, and that's why so many idiots think of him as the greatest guitarist. ahOK, I think I know where you're getting at? You're still mad that Jimmy Page allowed P.Diddy to be musically rape 'Kashmir' in an absolutely horrendours act of artistic blasphemy. It's been almost 10 years and I'm still not over it yet. It's just that he's a very bad guitarist. |
user name 24.05.2007 14:35 |
Here we go again. Some people just don't know what the word "subjective" means. |
Matias Merçeauroix 24.05.2007 16:08 |
They do. They don't know that "objetive" and "page is a sucky guitarist" are synonyms. |
Micrówave 24.05.2007 17:13 |
He was just trying to get things to rhyme, and everyone slams him. Not me. Happy Birthday, Bob. |
deleted user 24.05.2007 21:50 |
Ugh! Thank you! JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. I like TRIED to listen to him...Bob Dylan...I really did...Greatest Hits...(shoot me)....but I couldn't stand it! That voice is just...*shudder*. Sorry :(( lol Gah. |
Lisser 24.05.2007 21:57 |
I can't stand the sound of Bob Dylan so I can't be objective and even comment on his writing abilities. I have no doubt he's talented, obviously...he's got fans, lots of them. I'm sure he'll be fine with out me as one of them. ;) |
***Marial-B*** 25.05.2007 02:23 |
Mel, not only you but a lot from us -.-' |
its_a_hard_life 26994 25.05.2007 05:23 |
No, I like him. (: |
Raf 25.05.2007 22:35 |
Like some other people, I think Dylan is a great songwriter... But once he sings the stuff he writes, he spoils it all. I hate his voice big time. Some of his arrangements suck too. |
thomasquinn 32989 26.05.2007 08:54 |
<font color="ffa500"><b> chickenlicious! wrote: i thought that knockin' on heaven's door would sound more mellow... like all the remakes... turns out it sounds like reggae. O.oYou've been listening to Eric Clapton's version then. Don't. It sucks. |
thomasquinn 32989 26.05.2007 08:55 |
Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote:Only if you're deaf and completely oblivious to guitar-playing.Mr.Jingles wrote:Nope. It's just that he's a very bad guitarist.Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: No, he's fucked up. He's always been fucked up. But the world is even more fucked up than him, and that's why so many idiots think of him as the greatest guitarist. ahOK, I think I know where you're getting at? You're still mad that Jimmy Page allowed P.Diddy to be musically rape 'Kashmir' in an absolutely horrendours act of artistic blasphemy. It's been almost 10 years and I'm still not over it yet. |
thomasquinn 32989 26.05.2007 08:56 |
<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: Like some other people, I think Dylan is a great songwriter... But once he sings the stuff he writes, he spoils it all. I hate his voice big time. Some of his arrangements suck too.The fact that you can't stand him by itself should prove that he's good. |
steven 35638 26.05.2007 09:51 |
Bob Dylan's son sings better, much better. If you don't know who he is, he's the lead singer of The Wallflowers. I think his name is Jakob Dylan. If anybody is interested, here is one of my favorite Wallflower songs. It's called When You're On Top. link |
Matias Merçeauroix 26.05.2007 10:09 |
<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:The sentence is incomplete.Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote:Only if you're deaf and completely oblivious to guitar-playing.Mr.Jingles wrote:Nope. It's just that he's a very bad guitarist.Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: No, he's fucked up. He's always been fucked up. But the world is even more fucked up than him, and that's why so many idiots think of him as the greatest guitarist. ahOK, I think I know where you're getting at? You're still mad that Jimmy Page allowed P.Diddy to be musically rape 'Kashmir' in an absolutely horrendours act of artistic blasphemy. It's been almost 10 years and I'm still not over it yet. "Only if you're deaf and completely oblivious to guitar-playing... you'll think that Jimmy Page is a great guitarist." It's a little annoying to see how you try to play the bad guy all the time. You're just a moron, and a very ignorant one. I want to think that you don't really think that Page is a good guitarist... but in case you do, I wouldn't be surprised at all. |
john bodega 26.05.2007 10:42 |
link Oh yeah. |
steven 35638 26.05.2007 10:43 |
Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote:I concur.<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:The sentence is incomplete. "Only if you're deaf and completely oblivious to guitar-playing... you'll think that Jimmy Page is a great guitarist." It's a little annoying to see how you try to play the bad guy all the time. You're just a moron, and a very ignorant one. I want to think that you don't really think that Page is a good guitarist... but in case you do, I wouldn't be surprised at all.Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote:Only if you're deaf and completely oblivious to guitar-playing.Mr.Jingles wrote:Nope. It's just that he's a very bad guitarist.Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: No, he's fucked up. He's always been fucked up. But the world is even more fucked up than him, and that's why so many idiots think of him as the greatest guitarist. ahOK, I think I know where you're getting at? You're still mad that Jimmy Page allowed P.Diddy to be musically rape 'Kashmir' in an absolutely horrendours act of artistic blasphemy. It's been almost 10 years and I'm still not over it yet. |
thomasquinn 32989 26.05.2007 11:34 |
<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote:That might be to do with the fact that you are both inhabitants of a world marked by brain death. I fully concur that Jimmy Page is certainly not the world's greatest guitarist, but I also note that he is quite competent. More so than, say, Santana, who is not at all a bad guitarist. Naturally he is not in the league of Becker, Vai, Satriani, Malmsteen, or Todd Rundgren but he is definitely in the league Carlos Santana, David Gilmour, Jimi Hendrix.Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote:I concur.<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:The sentence is incomplete. "Only if you're deaf and completely oblivious to guitar-playing... you'll think that Jimmy Page is a great guitarist." It's a little annoying to see how you try to play the bad guy all the time. You're just a moron, and a very ignorant one. I want to think that you don't really think that Page is a good guitarist... but in case you do, I wouldn't be surprised at all.Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote:Only if you're deaf and completely oblivious to guitar-playing.Mr.Jingles wrote:Nope. It's just that he's a very bad guitarist.Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: No, he's fucked up. He's always been fucked up. But the world is even more fucked up than him, and that's why so many idiots think of him as the greatest guitarist. ahOK, I think I know where you're getting at? You're still mad that Jimmy Page allowed P.Diddy to be musically rape 'Kashmir' in an absolutely horrendours act of artistic blasphemy. It's been almost 10 years and I'm still not over it yet. You're just a moron, and a very ignorant one.I will remain polite because I do not feel like wasting even a little energy in extensively insulting you for your stupidity about my person. I will point out to you that I am not really stupid, being quite a successful bachelor-student of History (American and Mediaeval) and Music at Leiden university. My main interest is in music theory and music history, and I also have a number of years' experience at playing the guitar. You fill find that I am quite in the 'gnosos' you accuse me of being out of. |
steven 35638 26.05.2007 13:49 |
<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: That might be to do with the fact that you are both inhabitants of a world marked by brain death.You're unequivocally imprecise. |
Matias Merçeauroix 26.05.2007 14:22 |
<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:Oh yes, you are God. You invented music.<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote:That might be to do with the fact that you are both inhabitants of a world marked by brain death. I fully concur that Jimmy Page is certainly not the world's greatest guitarist, but I also note that he is quite competent. More so than, say, Santana, who is not at all a bad guitarist. Naturally he is not in the league of Becker, Vai, Satriani, Malmsteen, or Todd Rundgren but he is definitely in the league Carlos Santana, David Gilmour, Jimi Hendrix.Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote:I concur.<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:The sentence is incomplete. "Only if you're deaf and completely oblivious to guitar-playing... you'll think that Jimmy Page is a great guitarist." It's a little annoying to see how you try to play the bad guy all the time. You're just a moron, and a very ignorant one. I want to think that you don't really think that Page is a good guitarist... but in case you do, I wouldn't be surprised at all.Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote:Only if you're deaf and completely oblivious to guitar-playing.Mr.Jingles wrote:Nope. It's just that he's a very bad guitarist.Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: No, he's fucked up. He's always been fucked up. But the world is even more fucked up than him, and that's why so many idiots think of him as the greatest guitarist. ahOK, I think I know where you're getting at? You're still mad that Jimmy Page allowed P.Diddy to be musically rape 'Kashmir' in an absolutely horrendours act of artistic blasphemy. It's been almost 10 years and I'm still not over it yet.You're just a moron, and a very ignorant one.I will remain polite because I do not feel like wasting even a little energy in extensively insulting you for your stupidity about my person. I will point out to you that I am not really stupid, being quite a successful bachelor-student of History (American and Mediaeval) and Music at Leiden university. My main interest is in music theory and music history, and I also have a number of years' experience at playing the guitar. You fill find that I am quite in the 'gnosos' you accuse me of being out of. But you're still an ignorant moron ;) |
john bodega 26.05.2007 15:16 |
Nothing quite like a debate over how shitty Jimmy Page is. What I like especially is that no one ever offers up what they've heard of his playing to support the argument. If I want to show someone how shitty Jimmy Page is, I show them that show the surviving Led Zeppelin guys did in '88 for the Atlantic Records thing. If I want someone to appreciate Jimmy Page, I show them Achilles' Last Stand. His playing, I suppose, is not particularly inspiring on that track, but he manages to at least compose a solo that goes on a bit and doesn't repeat itself too much. It's a talent. And I'm really trying to be objective, when I say this. No one likes to see someone get rich and famous for ostensibly doing something 'that even I' can do.... but there's no point being bitter about it! Be more like Neeley. |
JoxerTheDeityPirate 27.05.2007 06:09 |
Dylan was never the same once he left the magic roundabout and got his teeth fixed |
thomasquinn 32989 28.05.2007 08:33 |
The point is, you people (and I mean the Page-bashers) seem to be completely unable to see the difference between a BAD and a DECENT THOUGH NOTHING REALLY SPECIAL guitarist. You want a bad guitarist? Try Noel Gallagher (Oasis). He can't play, and is arrogant about it ("scales are for fish"; he only ever plays one set of notes (the pentatonic scale) up and down, and has no feel for music or understanding of the underlying theory. And if you're missing BOTH of these, you are just piss-poor. What you guys keep talking about is a DECENT guitarist who is OVERRATED. That does not make him bad; it just makes the reviewers stupid. |
iGSM 28.05.2007 08:48 |
Liam is a piss poor guitarist. |
Ale Solan 28.05.2007 13:32 |
Robert de Niro is a great actor. |
steven 35638 28.05.2007 13:52 |
Alex Solan. wrote: Robert de Niro is a great actor.Hell yeah...Robert de Niro rocks. |
thomasquinn 32989 28.05.2007 15:26 |
<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote:He's playing with Al Pacino again! This time, they're on the same side, even.Alex Solan. wrote: Robert de Niro is a great actor.Hell yeah...Robert de Niro rocks. |
john bodega 28.05.2007 16:11 |
I never bashed Page. What the hell! I liked Achilles' Last Stand! |
steven 35638 28.05.2007 16:44 |
Huh? How did we go from Bob Dylan, to Jimmy Page, to Robert de Niro, to Al Pacino, and back over to Jimmy Page again? I guess people really do get bored of Bob Dylan. |
thomasquinn 32989 28.05.2007 16:45 |
<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote: Huh? How did we go from Bob Dylan to Jimmy Page?By ways of the exit at "Idiots" on the M4. |
steven 35638 28.05.2007 16:48 |
<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:I didn't say that.<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote: Huh? How did we go from Bob Dylan to Jimmy Page?By ways of the exit at "Idiots" on the M4. Haha, just kidding. I edited...I got bored with my original post. Forgive me oh grateful one. |
user name 29.05.2007 17:35 |
When people bash Page, they only focus on his lack of technical ability. Creativity-wise, he was a God. No one has ever matched the quality and quantity of his catchy-yet-creative riffwork. If you think of guitarists as pawns whose only responsibility is to perfectly represent a predetermined composition, then Page is nothing special. But if you think of guitarists as not only a technical minion, but rather a creative element, then Page is one of the best. |
Matias Merçeauroix 29.05.2007 19:47 |
His riffs aren't that great. Well, not 'his' but "someone's" Since he stole everything. |
iGSM 29.05.2007 20:49 |
Everything? |
Ale Solan 30.05.2007 01:03 |
Every thing? |
Matias Merçeauroix 30.05.2007 01:04 |
everest-ing yes (¿?) |
Ale Solan 30.05.2007 01:12 |
Evatest. Que utilidad tienen los Evatest usados? Respuesta: preparación de helado de palito para lesbianas. (tomado de wikipedo.org) |
***Marial-B*** 30.05.2007 14:02 |
Ah???? xD |
Ale Solan 30.05.2007 22:00 |
Evatest = test de embarazo. |
***Marial-B*** 31.05.2007 02:47 |
Que fuerte :O!!!!! Alla en Venezuela no se llaman asi, lo se porque los he usado xD |