QueenZone discussion #998042

Sebastian wrote: I like that album much more than 'Works' or 'Magic'.

Sparrow wrote: i LOVE the bassline to staying power....soo fun 8-)

Brian-Harold-May wrote: man on the prowl is from the works.
I know, I just forgot to add from The Works.

Sebastian wrote: > There's no bassline on SP, it's synthetizers There IS a bassline, but it's made by a synth. > Micheal Jackson was very impressed with Hot Space and found it to be very inspirational. Thus was the creation of one of pops greatest works, Thriller That's utter pish... one of those overrating false myths. I think there was a discussion about that here some years ago.

<font color=0099FF>Killer Queenie wrote: I think Queen were very wise to experiment with new styles - it shows their versilitity. (I think I spelt that right..) .

Armando Alejandro Estrada wrote:

Sparrow wrote: i LOVE the bassline to staying power....soo fun 8-)

There's no bassline on SP, it's synthetizers. I like Hot Space, because it's one of the few Queen albums on which I don't fast forwards songs. The Game and A Kind of Magic have stronger songs, but have also shitty ones like Don't try suicide, Coming Soon, Don't lose your head, Kurgan's theme and Man On The Prowl from The Works. I love Hot Space, it's one of my favorite. Queen's worst albums are Flash Gordon and Jazz.

goinback wrote: Even though Greatest Hits 3 is a compilation, I think it may be so bad it transcends that and could truly be the worst Queen album.QUOTE]
i actually dont mind it save one or two songs *cough cough aanother one bites the dust cough cough*

Freddie wrote: Basically, Micheal Jackson was very impressed with Hot Space and found it to be very inspirational. Thus was the creation of one of pops greatest works, Thriller.

ITSM wrote: I think the best songs are: Staying Power, Back Chat, Cool Cat and Under Pressure.

Micrówave wrote:

Freddie wrote: Basically, Micheal Jackson was very impressed with Hot Space and found it to be very inspirational. Thus was the creation of one of pops greatest works, Thriller.

Yeah, ok. The greatest R&B record ever was inspired by Queen?

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

<font color=0099FF>Killer Queenie wrote: I think Queen were very wise to experiment with new styles - it shows their versilitity. (I think I spelt that right..) .

it's "versatility" and you also need to check the definition of "wise" because queen's "wise" decision actually cost bigtime....Hot Space was the album that cost them their american audience (on the whole)....which is weird when you think that the Game - a crossover album for them was loved in america. Btu HS was a step to far into leftfield. America never really loved them again, and they also lost their world position during the 80s...

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

<font color=0099FF>Killer Queenie wrote: I think Queen were very wise to experiment with new styles - it shows their versilitity. (I think I spelt that right..) .

it's "versatility" and you also need to check the definition of "wise" because queen's "wise" decision actually cost bigtime....Hot Space was the album that cost them their american audience (on the whole)....which is weird when you think that the Game - a crossover album for them was loved in america. Btu HS was a step to far into leftfield. America never really loved them again, and they also lost their world position during the 80s...

Sebastian wrote: > It would be quite kind and lovely of you if you were to give credit to those who said those quotes. Indeed. Sorry about that. > As we all know to be true, Freddie Mercury was expected to be on the Thriller album alongside Michael Jackson. So were Paul McCartney and Eddie Van Halen ... btw Michael was already recording 'Thriller' (and had written most of it) by the time 'Hot Space' was released. > So right from that one can assume, notice I didn't say it was fact, that Jackson did take influence from the band Queen in general. I disagree. Just because they were going to be a duet it doesn't mean Jacko was inspired by the band, let alone that 'Hot Space' was a main influence. > Thus, Thriller's music is hardly like the music you would hear from Jazz or News of the World 'Opera' music is hardly like 'Sgt Pepper's', yet it's inspired by it. > rather it sounds more inspired by Hot Space, an album full of funk and disco (well, at least the first half of the album). Loads of albums were that way in those times. Besides, as I said, 'Thriller' had been already written (for the most part) and was being recorded at the time 'Hot Space' was issued. > Well,due to Queen's historical friendship with the man himself, Michael Jackson, of course! As it's been already pointed out, 'Off The Wall' was carrying on a similar trend already. So Jacko's #1 influence for 'Thriller' was obviously himself. > Queen decided to explore Pop music and use that for this album, big deal? Queen had explored "pop" music since day one.

Ramirez wrote: ...most sources I have found state that Jackson was inspired by Hot Space for the Thriller album. Technically, until one of us is proven wrong there is no right or wrong! Thank you for sharing your opinions and/or facts!

Micrówave wrote:

Ramirez wrote: ...most sources I have found state that Jackson was inspired by Hot Space for the Thriller album. Technically, until one of us is proven wrong there is no right or wrong! Thank you for sharing your opinions and/or facts!

Ok, dude. First off, only 4 tracks were written by Michael. "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" (Jackson) Vocal arrangement by Michael Jackson Rhythm arrangement by Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones Horn arrangement by Jerry Hey and Michael Jackson This is Quincy all the way. Notice how it sounds like it could have been on OFF THE WALL? That's because Michael originally wrote it in 1980. "The Girl Is Mine" (Jackson) Vocal arrangement by Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones Rhythm arrangement by Quincy Jones and David Paich Synthesizer arrangement by David Foster Strings arranged and conducted by Jerry Hey Obviously no "Freddie" influence here, this is David Paich (Toto) and David Foster totally. If you're familiar with earlier Toto albums or Chicago 16-18, then you would recognize the sound. "Beat It" (Jackson) Vocal arrangement by Michael Jackson Rhythm arrangement by Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones This was Steve Lukather's baby. It may be "written by Jackson", but Lukather wrote all the guitar parts. Eddie happened to be promoting Diver Down and both Mike & Steve thought it would be great to bring him in. If you ask me, Luke should have played the solo as well. "Billie Jean" (Jackson) Vocal, rhythm and synthesizer arrangement by Michael Jackson Strings arranged by Jerry Hey Maybe this is the Freddie tune. But then he's singing about a girl carrying his child. How is THAT Freddie? And Jerry Hey added the string chords and runs. So what is Freddie here? Not proof, just someone who has a pretty good understanding of pop music of the 80s. More food for thought: Back Chat, written by bassist John Deacon, is the track most influenced by black music on the 1982 Queen album Hot Space. Not written by Freddie.

goinback wrote: Brian May himself has said Hot Space inspired Thriller, though I don't know of any other specifics. I think by the time HS came out, Queen were used to the fact that everytime they tried some new musical style (and usually overdid it to the extreme), it was a huge success (Bo Rhap, Another One Bites The Dust, etc.). Everyone just always seemed to like every new and weird thing they did. So I think they may have thought they were a little infallible by the time HS came out and weren't careful enough.

Ramirez wrote: I'm not the child molester who put together Thriller. Besides, I couldn't give a damn whether or not you're right or wrong. No matter what you say or do it will have no consequences on whether or not this is a myth or fact.

Micrówave wrote:

Ramirez wrote: I'm not the child molester who put together Thriller. Besides, I couldn't give a damn whether or not you're right or wrong. No matter what you say or do it will have no consequences on whether or not this is a myth or fact.

Alleged child molester. You came here with "I heard that..." with no source, proof, or even substantial claim. All we are doing is giving you at least some evidence that you are wrong. But then you don't care about that. Why'd you even ask, then?

Micrówave wrote: Plenty of people here have given reference to it being possibly the other way around. Maybe it's you who should chill. If you feel I am upsetting to you, perhaps it just that you're one of these guys who's made up his mind about Michael from what you saw on TV. And that's just crap, man. Remember, there's a website that says Freddie sings for Satan. Geez, that must be true, too!

Sebastian wrote: The POSSIBILITY that Jacko COULD have been influenced by, say, 'Another One Bites The Dust', is high. Yet the FACT is that he'd already started recording 'Thriller' (and songs had already been written and composed, either by him and/or somebody else depending on the case) by the time 'Hot Space' came out. Thus, 'Hot Space' COULD *NOT* have been the inspiration for 'Thriller'.

goinback wrote:

Sebastian wrote: The POSSIBILITY that Jacko COULD have been influenced by, say, 'Another One Bites The Dust', is high. Yet the FACT is that he'd already started recording 'Thriller' (and songs had already been written and composed, either by him and/or somebody else depending on the case) by the time 'Hot Space' came out. Thus, 'Hot Space' COULD *NOT* have been the inspiration for 'Thriller'.

Actually he could have been inspired by HS before its release, since Michael and Freddie were hanging out and Michael may have heard HS songs in the studio even before 1982. I wish Brian would have given some specifics about what was actually inspired by what, but he just said in general Thriller was inspired by HS which isn't very useful info...I'm sure LOTS of things inspired Thriller!

Armando Alejandro Estrada wrote:

Sparrow wrote: i LOVE the bassline to staying power....soo fun 8-)

There's no bassline on SP, it's synthetizers. I like Hot Space, because it's one of the few Queen albums on which I don't fast forwards songs. The Game and A Kind of Magic have stronger songs, but have also shitty ones like Don't try suicide, Coming Soon, Don't lose your head, Kurgan's theme and Man On The Prowl from The Works. I love Hot Space, it's one of my favorite. Queen's worst albums are Flash Gordon and Jazz.

Micrówave wrote: maybe your speakers suck.

louvox wrote:

Micrówave wrote: maybe your speakers suck.

Not as much as your ears

louvox wrote: Most everything sounds flat & lifeless.

Micrówave wrote:

louvox wrote: Most everything sounds flat & lifeless.

Well, I think John's bass has never sounded better on THIS album. In the low frequencies, it sounds killer to me. I'm using a Crown amp and Bose speakers and a Roland KC1 sub. My ears? Nope. I still think your speakers suck, because it's not "flat & lifeless".

Sebastian wrote:

Micrówave wrote:

louvox wrote: Most everything sounds flat & lifeless.

Well, I think John's bass has never sounded better on THIS album. In the low frequencies, it sounds killer to me. I'm using a Crown amp and Bose speakers and a Roland KC1 sub. My ears? Nope. I still think your speakers suck, because it's not "flat & lifeless".

Actually, there are several songs in the album where there's no bass by John: 'Staying Power', 'Body Language', 'Dancer'...