QueenZone discussion #989987

Daniel Nester wrote: I think Innuendo is probably a bad place to start looking at how Freddie's voice changed over the years. A lot of those tracks are from his solo recordings, Heaven for Everyone is from The Cross sessions, and still others are from the mid-80s

Daniel Nester wrote: I think Innuendo is probably a bad place to start looking at how Freddie's voice changed over the years. A lot of those tracks are from his solo recordings, Heaven for Everyone is from The Cross sessions, and still others are from the mid-80s. It might be better to look at how his voice changes from Hot Space --> Works --> A Kind of Magic. To my ears, there's lots of changes in tenor and in range in that time period. Perhaps he smoked even more? Or drank? Some of it, I am sure, is natural as the body gets older.

Henry V wrote: I do prefer that mid-80's hard edge he had on his voice. I find his voice from the innuendo sessions - fantastic range and all - but a little nasal. truly an amazing singner

marcenciels wrote: maybe i'm totally wrong, but when freddie died...i always believed it would have been the last time he would of toured.

Pim Derks wrote: Probably had to do with sucking less cock than in the 80's.

marcenciels wrote: hummmm...he had stop smoking, no choice and dringking was out !...lost's of factors changed his voice ... lost weight fast after the miracle, and you can hear the difference for innuendo, that you get on a few songs on made in heaven. I could have sworn that Brian spoke of Freddie, during the last sessions, "propping himself up, taking a drink of vodka and singing for as long as he could". I could be wrong about this, but my guess is he cut way back on alcohol, but not completely. Eliminating smoking and cocaine, as well as an over-all healthier lifestyle were probably the main reasons his voice returned to more of what it was in the 70's.

Pim Derks wrote: Probably had to do with sucking less cock than in the 80's.

Pim Derks wrote: Probably had to do with sucking less cock than in the 80's.

marcenciels wrote: hummmm...he had stop smoking, no choice and dringking was out !...lost's of factors changed his voice ... lost weight fast after the miracle, and you can hear the difference for innuendo, that you get on a few songs on made in heaven. in the end, he gave all that he could, by perfecting to the max and a good dose desperation. to add, this odd feeling i've had for year's...maybe i'm totally wrong, but when freddie died...i always believed it would have been the last time he would of toured.

artemismoon wrote: Brian has told the "Freddie and Vodka" story on many occasions. I think it was for TSMGO, I can be wrong though.

Adam Baboolal wrote:

artemismoon wrote: Brian has told the "Freddie and Vodka" story on many occasions. I think it was for TSMGO, I can be wrong though.

It was Mother Love that that story came from. Adam.

Daniel Nester wrote: As for the other sessions that make up MiH, it's a patchwork of old and recent. Innuendo is as well, to a certain extent

Pim Derks wrote: Probably had to do with sucking less cock than in the 80's.

Pim Derks wrote: Probably had to do with sucking less cock than in the 80's.

Pim Derks wrote: Nodules my ass, I bet they were warts (from all the you know what).

saltnvinegar wrote:

Pim Derks wrote: Nodules my ass, I bet they were warts (from all the you know what).

Wow, what's with all the references to this subject, are you jealous or something?

Henry V wrote: I do prefer that mid-80's hard edge he had on his voice. I find his voice from the innuendo sessions - fantastic range and all - but a little nasal. truly an amazing singner

galileo_figaro_magnifico wrote:

Henry V wrote: I do prefer that mid-80's hard edge he had on his voice. I find his voice from the innuendo sessions - fantastic range and all - but a little nasal. truly an amazing singner

i dunno, maybe it's just me, but do you think Freddie's voice sometimes sounds a little nasal in the 70's as well? not all the time, but on a few occasions...i cant find any examples right now lol, everything i'm trying, he sounds crystal clear, but i notice every now and again...

saltnvinegar wrote:

Pim Derks wrote: Nodules my ass, I bet they were warts (from all the you know what).

Wow, what's with all the references to this subject, are you jealous or something?

<font color=00CCFF>Mercury Lover<h6>HA! wrote: He had throat nodules. He refused treatment for them, because of the tools they would use to treat them were 'kind of scary' and they would end up coming back anyway.

beautifulsoup wrote:

<font color=00CCFF>Mercury Lover<h6>HA! wrote: He had throat nodules. He refused treatment for them, because of the tools they would use to treat them were 'kind of scary' and they would end up coming back anyway.

Nodes do not come back if you learn to use your voice correctly, and break the habits that led you to develop nodes in the first place.

<font color=0099FF>Mercury Lover<h6>HA! wrote:

beautifulsoup wrote:

<font color=00CCFF>Mercury Lover<h6>HA! wrote: He had throat nodules. He refused treatment for them, because of the tools they would use to treat them were 'kind of scary' and they would end up coming back anyway.

Nodes do not come back if you learn to use your voice correctly, and break the habits that led you to develop nodes in the first place.

Are you saying Freddie didn't know how to use his voice? I'm pretty sure he did. Training methods for singers have changed so much. Also, Keep in mind how far medical science has come since the 80's.

<font color=0099FF>Mercury Lover<h6>HA! wrote:

beautifulsoup wrote:

<font color=00CCFF>Mercury Lover<h6>HA! wrote: He had throat nodules. He refused treatment for them, because of the tools they would use to treat them were 'kind of scary' and they would end up coming back anyway.

Nodes do not come back if you learn to use your voice correctly, and break the habits that led you to develop nodes in the first place.

Are you saying Freddie didn't know how to use his voice? I'm pretty sure he did. Training methods for singers have changed so much. Also, Keep in mind how far medical science has come since the 80's.

mattsmith wrote: Heaven for everyone was on Made in heaven, not Innuendo. The difference in the way Freddie sings is actually quite big, even from the miracle, to innuendo which was a gap of about 18 months to 2 years. I believe that his voice in the 90's went back to the way it was in the early to mid 70's, delivered with a soaring power and immense range. Just my opinion though. Matt.

henke1980 wrote:

mattsmith wrote: Heaven for everyone was on Made in heaven, not Innuendo. The difference in the way Freddie sings is actually quite big, even from the miracle, to innuendo which was a gap of about 18 months to 2 years. I believe that his voice in the 90's went back to the way it was in the early to mid 70's, delivered with a soaring power and immense range. Just my opinion though. Matt.

Made in heaven was recorded for Rogers solo project Shove it with The Cross. Just after the Magic tour if I remember it right. Oh my god I´m such a nerd...

Daniel Nester wrote: I think Innuendo is probably a bad place to start looking at how Freddie's voice changed over the years. A lot of those tracks are from his solo recordings, Heaven for Everyone is from The Cross sessions, and still others are from the mid-80s. It might be better to look at how his voice changes from Hot Space --> Works --> A Kind of Magic. To my ears, there's lots of changes in tenor and in range in that time period. Perhaps he smoked even more? Or drank? Some of it, I am sure, is natural as the body gets older.

Kiki2 wrote: Maybe because he stopped drinking and smoking. In Innuendo, his voice looked more like the voice he had in the 70's...

Bijou In Queens Crown wrote: I think Freddie's voice around '91 is a mix between husky and rough and pure and delicate. On songs like 'Don't Try So Hard' it could have been recorded in the 70s to me. But on 'Hitman' it sounds quite rough like you can tell he's straining on the one and he does sound quite bad. 'The Show Must Go On' is very pure then at the end it has bits where it sounds like he's straining. But on 'Bijou' it's sounds so delicate and fragile. But if you listen to the first album then Innuendo there are obvious differences. I know it's obvious but he sounds alot older in some ways on 'Innuendo'.

MamaQueen wrote: I agree with Fried Chicken that Freddie didn't know how to use his voice because he never took lessons and was not trained to be a profesional singer. But if he had taken voice lessons maybe he would not have sang with that rough, edgy voice that he used for the rock songs. I think that the voice lessons would have come in handy for the live concerts so he wouldn't have resorted to screaming like he did in some songs. Maybe that's the reason that I don't like too much to listen to the live concerts cds. His persona, charisma and performance carried him in the concerts not so much his voice. Despite this he had a wonderful, heavenly, spell bounding voice and he knew how to use it in different ways to give each song the mood, and the force each song needed it and transmit it. A group of many things may have affected his voice in the 90-91 period, maybe the stopping smoking, his illness, the weight loss, etc. Now I have to pay more attention to the different albums and observe the difference.

AndresGuazzelli wrote: Let's see. Lots of heated discussions here, so I thought I could give myself a try at the thread. IMO, Freddie's post-80s vocal change was in 1988. Around the time of The Works and Kind of Magic, he had certain vocal qualities, and right after Barcelona, he came back with different qualities. He came back with less of an edgier voice, improved low notes, lower tonal center (almost pure baritonical), lower passaggio, and cleaner, brighter, and purer highs. The blend between chest overtones and head overtones changed since Barcelona. He was using his voice wiser, and probably, at the peak of his vocal capacities (as long as the disease allowed him to, right?) My own theory is that his work with Montserrat made him question about his technique. Undoubtly, he came back singing better, more powerful, cleaner, and higher than ever, with better control in his upper range, and his lower range. And, IMO, what is the most amazing feature of them all, is the insane control he has over his voice, specially when one of the symptons of AIDS is losing some control over the voice, both spoken and sung. My guess? Probably Montserrat helped him, technique wise. Such a pity it didn't came before. Best song, vocal wise, in my opinion? All God's People. That song is a vocal marvel ;) And forgive me for my lousy, lousy english. I'm at work, and I shouldn't be wandering around here xD Take care, you guys A. link

Panzerwerk wrote: Just listen to some of the later demos, like deliah or TMLWKY. These songs show that his voice was not always a powerfull nor controlled...