QueenZone discussion #982454

seba_79 wrote: Thanks, but can you post in mediafire or rapidshare? Thanks again.!

928 wrote: Nicly done Ibarzi...lossless aswell :)

frank39 wrote:

928 wrote: Nicly done Ibarzi...lossless aswell :)

Hey man, sounds somehow like a friendly word from yours, are you feeling well?

<b><font color="blue">Mr. Farenheit wrote: I was downloading this from mininova, but it was very slow, so i moved here... but where is the seeder? Thank you for this one.

<b><font color="blue">Mr. Farenheit wrote: I was downloading this from mininova, but it was very slow, so i moved here... but where is the seeder? Thank you for this one.

Queenland wrote: Really, Bob? Is it the true stereo source? The true stereo source is easily recognizable on the NIH intro ('Now I'm Here' / ´Now I'm There´ on left/right channels). If yes I'm tempted to download it :)

Queenland wrote: I also erased my audience tape of 20/03 when I got the JP2 broadcast! (But that one was on awful quality, not a big loss)

Mr. Scully wrote: I use VUPlayer... IMO the best (and simpliest!) player available and these files play without any problems.

YourValentine wrote: For some reason I am now able to convert the flacs to wav with FlacFrontend. The files don't fit on 2 CDs but I don't mind, they are worth 3 discs:)

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

YourValentine wrote: For some reason I am now able to convert the flacs to wav with FlacFrontend. The files don't fit on 2 CDs but I don't mind, they are worth 3 discs:)

They're 24-bit WAV files... so will they lose quality if they're converted to 16-bit?

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Hmmmmmm... So yeah, in this case, we'll have to keep the FLACs as they are if they are to remain truly lossless. Ideally, I'd like to fill in the gaps as described by Madman above (thanks for that, Luke!), and share a complete version. But if it would be considered by purists to be lossy, then it'd probably be best not to. Opinions? In addition to the cuts noted above, there's also one during Get Down Make Love, at the end of the middle part.

lbarzi wrote: But, PLEASE, keep seeding after finish the download, help me to keep this on much time is possible.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Hmmmmmm... So yeah, in this case, we'll have to keep the FLACs as they are if they are to remain truly lossless. Ideally, I'd like to fill in the gaps as described by Madman above (thanks for that, Luke!), and share a complete version. But if it would be considered by purists to be lossy, then it'd probably be best not to. Opinions?

YourValentine wrote: For some reason I am now able to convert the flacs to wav with FlacFrontend. The files don't fit on 2 CDs but I don't mind, they are worth 3 discs:)

YourValentine wrote: Can you recommend good dithering software, then? I always keep the original downloaded files for reseeding but I like audio CDs for easy playing away from the PC.

Nummer2 wrote: I had no problems at all burning the files to cd. I used Toast 7.01 on a Mac. It was done without any recompiling, dithering or converting. The cds (2, by the way) play fine on my car stereo,

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Ideally, I'd like to fill in the gaps (...) and share a complete version. But if it would be considered by purists to be lossy, then it'd probably be best not to. Opinions? In addition to the cuts noted above, there's also one during Get Down Make Love, at the end of the middle part. But that's the way the original broadcast was. I've had a higher gen copy of this broadcast for years, and the same cut is there.

tilomagnet wrote: Obviously you cannot burn a standard audio CD from 24 bit WAV files, as the audio CD standard is 16 bit 44 khz. 24 bit wordlenght is used when transferring analog sources, because it allows for a better approximation to the original source than mastering @ 16 bit, i.e. better quality. In order to burn an audio CD from 24 bit files you need to convert them to 16 bit in a process called 'dithering'. Any decent audio editing program can do this, but there is definately a big difference in quality between dithering schemes. In any case dithering means loss of audio information, i.e. it's lossy so to speak, but since 16 bit is still the accepted quality standard, it should be ok to convert them to 16 bit. 24 bit is the standard for DVD-Audio, but there are still very few people who have the proper playback equipement to benefit from the quality improvement of 24 bit. So IMO the original 24 bit files should be archived until more people can handle them properly and for now a patched 16 bit version should be created.

Madman wrote: Another great compilation from Bob factory :) ? I will wait for that =D

I'm wonder why this cuts are there ? Is this a reason to say that this was broadcasted not live = bit later then concert started (the same day but in different time or next day) or what ? :/

Ducksoup wrote: However, from Another One Bites The Dust 'till the end of the show the quality is not the same. Maybe this bit comes from a different source?

Nummer2 wrote: @tilomagnet Is the difference audible? Not to common ears I think.

Nummer2 wrote: What would be the best way to get the files on a cd? I don't think there's an alternative. Of course you could use a profesional tool to "dither" the files fom 24bit to 16bit if you're an audio freak.

Nummer2 wrote: But to maintain the original sound quality it sure would be best to spread the files in the original 24bit fomat – if it really IS the original format.

tilomagnet wrote: I definately notice a significant difference between 16 bit and 24 bit, but as I said you need a proper playback set-up to benefit from the quality improvement. For example, a lot of consumer computer soundcards don't support 'true' 24 bit playback, but they dither the output to 16 bit. In this case, you obviously can tell very little difference.

Don't get me wrong: If it's for your personal use only and the truncated audio CD sounds fine to you, that's great. It is just that for further mass distribution the quality of the files must be preserved as well as possible.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

tilomagnet wrote: I definately notice a significant difference between 16 bit and 24 bit, but as I said you need a proper playback set-up to benefit from the quality improvement. For example, a lot of consumer computer soundcards don't support 'true' 24 bit playback, but they dither the output to 16 bit. In this case, you obviously can tell very little difference.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh... yeah, that could be what I'm getting then. Btw, your post is above my last one... maybe you missed it for some reason!

Don't get me wrong: If it's for your personal use only and the truncated audio CD sounds fine to you, that's great. It is just that for further mass distribution the quality of the files must be preserved as well as possible.

Well, I'm working on the mix of the 2 sources as we speak. When I share it, I'll include in the notes and lineage that I dummed it down from 24 to 16 bit. At the moment, I really don't think there is another way to do a mix without losing that bit of quality... if anything is lost at all... re: my above question about radio quality in the first place.

928 wrote: Bob ,if you want to keep exactly what you've got. Do the lot as 24bit & then author it as a DVD-A. If one of the sources is 16 bit ,you wont lose anything by bloating that source but you will if you lower the 24bit. As true DVD audio is 24bit it will play in standalones no prob. You can swap the audio over from any original audio in authoring programs & then author it as a you would all other DVDs.. with chapters etc. You could use a documentary,make a slide show or something just so there's something for the eyes while its playing,but that doesn't matter. Just a suggestion to keep the integrity

tilomagnet wrote: Are the postings completely out of order or am I doing something wrong?

Madman wrote: Any idea about second gig in Sao Paulo - did radio broadcasted full gig or only some very short part what we have ? Audience recording is so poor :( Antonio do You know somethinks more about that ?

tilomagnet wrote: Bob, I'd say create a patched version of the show using the original 24 bit files of the main source (the patch source needs to be uprendered to 24 bit in the process) and archive this version. Then dither this source compilation to 16 bit and re-torrent it. Once there really is a demand for 24 bit files, you can post the original 24 bit compilation you made and since you archived the compilation you won't even have to redo the patch job then.

Queenland wrote: When you do the mix, if you're editing out some of the presentor speeches (from one source or the other), what about adding them at the end of CD2 as "bonus"? At least to us brazilians they are very important!

The source is the TV Bandeirantes Live Broadcast (mono). That presentor was Hilton Gomes (who already passed away).He worked for Bandeirantes TV since the sixties and was the same man who interviewed the band backstage on TV. This is the most complete video souce (full GDML for example, which is cut on all rebroadcasts).

It actually turns out that the 1984 radio re-broadcast sounds a bit better. One of the channels was weak (but it's a mono recording, anyway), so I copied the right channel over to the left,

Queenland wrote: Unfortunately no, he needs something for this recording that I also do not have.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: I'm seeding. Just be patient. It's over 1 Gb. Mine took over a week to finish, too!

TigersEye wrote: Thanks much...but guess what happened...and I have no idea if it's related to downloading torrents, UTorrent, my router, or what...but as I was downloading yesterday, my computer would freeze and I would get and error...now my computer won't even boot up...is there ever a chance of viruses or anything coming through torrent files and connection to peers?

TigersEye wrote:

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: I'm seeding. Just be patient. It's over 1 Gb. Mine took over a week to finish, too!

Thanks much...but guess what happened...and I have no idea if it's related to downloading torrents, UTorrent, my router, or what...but as I was downloading yesterday, my computer would freeze and I would get and error...now my computer won't even boot up...is there ever a chance of viruses or anything coming through torrent files and connection to peers?

Bobby_brown wrote:

TigersEye wrote:

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: I'm seeding. Just be patient. It's over 1 Gb. Mine took over a week to finish, too!

Thanks much...but guess what happened...and I have no idea if it's related to downloading torrents, UTorrent, my router, or what...but as I was downloading yesterday, my computer would freeze and I would get and error...now my computer won't even boot up...is there ever a chance of viruses or anything coming through torrent files and connection to peers?

I´ve had that happening to me a couple of weeks before and i´m almost certain that it was due to an automatic actualization by Microsoft. I remember going to forums and they really fucked up this time. Try install your Windows again over the one that is already installed and it should be OK. At least you can backup your files before deleting your Disk if that´s what you want. Then install a good firewall like Zonealarm (free)and a good antivirus like AVG (free). Take care

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

TigersEye wrote: Thanks much...but guess what happened...and I have no idea if it's related to downloading torrents, UTorrent, my router, or what...but as I was downloading yesterday, my computer would freeze and I would get and error...now my computer won't even boot up...is there ever a chance of viruses or anything coming through torrent files and connection to peers?

If it was just Queenzone torrents, then definitely not. But if you were downloading stuff from some other torrent site, then it's possible.

TigersEye wrote:

Bobby_brown wrote:

TigersEye wrote:

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: I'm seeding. Just be patient. It's over 1 Gb. Mine took over a week to finish, too!

Thanks much...but guess what happened...and I have no idea if it's related to downloading torrents, UTorrent, my router, or what...but as I was downloading yesterday, my computer would freeze and I would get and error...now my computer won't even boot up...is there ever a chance of viruses or anything coming through torrent files and connection to peers?

I´ve had that happening to me a couple of weeks before and i´m almost certain that it was due to an automatic actualization by Microsoft. I remember going to forums and they really fucked up this time. Try install your Windows again over the one that is already installed and it should be OK. At least you can backup your files before deleting your Disk if that´s what you want. Then install a good firewall like Zonealarm (free)and a good antivirus like AVG (free). Take care

Thanks for your help! Unfortunately, I can't even get the computer to boot up so I can reinstall Windows again. I would like to at least back-up all my files on my computer...I just hope it's not too late...