QueenZone discussion #981141

Donny Mars wrote: Rules: only serious opinions about the song, no "I like to stick lightbulbs in my anus while I listen to this song". when this disscussion dies, a new one will spawn for a different song. if I don't make the topic, then consider the series over.

Adolfo wrote: I like to stick lightbulbs in my anus while I listen to this song

Penetration_Guru wrote:

Adolfo wrote: I like to stick lightbulbs in my anus while I listen to this song

Good on you - I think it's appalling that the original poster doesn't feel this could possibly be a valid response to the song.

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: Song: Teo Torriatte First Heard: 1976..adatr vinyl purhcase Mood When Heard: it ruined an otherwise near-perfect Queen album People it Reminds You Of: how gullible the Japanese fans were back then Opinion: Sugary pap. Contrived &quot;language-breaking anthemic rubbish&quot; designed to fully exploit the &quot;then growing&quot; Japanese market. I hate this song...it shows Brian at his most calculating and least spontaneous....fucking awful it was standard fare for Brian to &quot;try and outdo Freddie&quot; - and it nearly always backfired...he didn't have the same creatively original songwriting mind that Freddie did... examples: - Bo Rhap/Prophet Song Champions/Rock You, somebody to love / Teo Torriate,

Boy Thomas Raker wrote: "Sugary pap. Contrived language-breaking anthemic rubbish designed to fully exploit the "then growing" Japanese market. I hate this song...it shows Brian at his most calculating and least spontaneous....fucking awful." That's a really interesting opinion Brenski. It's hard to figure out how we all arrive at certain positions which appear opposed to the majority. I feel that Teo Torriate is a heartfelt song written by a guy who was overwhelmed by the reaction to a band that in effect hadn't broken bug in most other markets. Having said that, tons of people love the album MIH, which I feel shows Brian at his most calculating and least spontaneous....fucking awful!

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: okay. i'll add to your reply 1. MIH was (largely) reworkings of old songs. Heaven for Everyone, Too Much Love, I Was Born, Made In Heaven, My Life Has Been Saved. this is NOT a queen album. One of the key members was not present at the stage when the these songs were pieced together. So the concept of what we got to hear was Brian's and Rogers...i think all of these tracks would've sounded so differently had Freddie had input to the final mix/arrangement 2. Constantly in QZ people criticise bands for their poor renditions of queen songs when they release cover versions....to praise MIH so highly is hypocisy. The Freddie/Brian/Roger solo/Cross songs that ended up on MIH were already released in an arrangement or format that the artists intended. Therefore, by default the MIH reworkings are nothing more than cover versions...which makes them poor imitations in any language.

Boy Thomas Raker wrote: Brenski mentioned something about the artists vision, and Freddie's vision of “Made in Heaven”, and “I Was Made to Love You” was realized on Mr. Bad Guy. THAT'S what he wanted those songs to sound like, if he wanted them as Queen songs they would have been Queen songs. It's truly no different than if Brian had passed away, and then John sort of funked up '39 and Long Away and made them danceable. They may sound fine, but they'd be cover versions unlike the way the artist intended them to be. That's IMHO though.

Good_Company50 wrote: Teo Torriate, although some of the lyrics are lovely, I’m not that fond of the melody and it is not my favorite Brian song. But I don’t agree with Brenski that “it was standard fare for Brian to "try and outdo Freddie" - and it nearly always backfired...he didn't have the same creatively original songwriting mind that Freddie did... “ I think “The Prophet Song” is brilliant. And if indeed there was a bit of competition between Freddie and Brian, so much the better for us, I say--kept the songwriting at a higher caliber. I think some of Brian’s songs were extremely creative, especially lyrically (i.e. Brighton Rock, ’39, Save Me, White Queen, Who Wants to Live Forever) just to name a few. I personally think ’39 could have been released as an “A-side” and been a hit (and yes, with Brian singing it). And I don’t agree with Boy Thomas Raker when he says MIH is Brian at his most calculating and least spontaneous. Do you think Freddie would have wanted to spend his last days recording, sometimes exhausted and in great pain, just to have his work sit languishing in a vault somewhere? If Brian was calculating (and money-grubbing as some people have claimed), don’t you think he would have rushed the MIH album out in a rush after Freddie had died, to cash in on the waves of grief and sympathy of the fans? As it was, it took years (because of their own grief) before the surviving members could face the task of finishing the work they started with Freddie years before. And I don’t think MIH is awful. I rather prefer the Queen versions of “Made in Heaven”, “Heaven for Everyone” and “I Was Made to Love You”. The grand, majestic Queen sound is the perfect setting for Freddie’s voice, IMHO. And you make it sound as if Brian had the only input in putting together the album—what about Roger and John’s input? Just another point of view . . .

inmydefence wrote: interesting use of the word "Poor" before imitations. i don't consider any of those song to be poor. all they did was take what was left of freddies work and released it as Freddie wished. after working with brian roger and john all those years im sure he believed he count on them to put the finishing touches to his work. freddie must have had input into the arrangements to some extent as im sure it would have been discussed when he was laying down his vocals. anyway! thats not the point! i just cant understand why you find it so hard to be a queen fan? ur given this album. that fact is you have the chance to here freddies last pieces of work! you dont HAVE to buy it, but its there if you WANT it. But you cant appreciate that. You so caught up in bitching and nitpicking that u cant see how lucky u are. they way you talk you make it sound like you would rather the rest of queen just left the recordings unheard forever. mind you then, you'd probably complain that brian roger and john wont get off their arses and get the work released!

Nathan wrote: Song: Teo Torriatte First Heard: A Day at the Races Mood When Heard: Fascinated People it Reminded Me Of: Hmmm, I don't know. Opinion: The blend of English and Japanese lyrics as well as the whole mood of the song makes this a very moving and very unique song in the Queen catalogue.