Manuel Benes 06.04.2007 12:54 |
So, here is my first Torrent. Hope everything works! PLEASE DON'T DOWNLOAD THE FIRST TORRENT, IT DOES NOT WORK. THE CORRECT TORRENT IS AT THE END OF PAGE ONE IN THIS THREAD!! (If you still want to download it due to the fact that is not the best quality available). This is a DVD i made out of the mpeg-files i downloaded here on queenzone. I have no idea if there is already a DVD out there to download, i couldn't find one here! Converted the files with DVD-Lab, made a little DVD-menu and added a nice backing-track to the menu. The Picture and Sound-Quality is not bad, but due to the fact that it is a 1980's Video-source not compareable to modern standards. There where 5 mpeg-files, so i made 5 segments to choose from the DVD-Menu, each of them split in to several chapters. They where made automatically by the programm! Running Time: approx. 48 min. PAL Audio: MPEG 2.0 192 Kbps File Size: approx. 1 GB Hope that some of you can use it! Rock On - DeeJay B. |
Manuel Benes 06.04.2007 12:54 |
Some screenshots now: |
Manuel Benes 06.04.2007 12:54 |
Another one: |
Manuel Benes 06.04.2007 12:55 |
And a classic one: |
928 06.04.2007 13:13 |
4 things 1..You didn't make a DVD ,you made a bloated lossy mpeg file from the lossy mpegs and put it on a Disc that is in DVD standard for a DVD player to play it. They were lossy mpeg files to start..they will always be lossy mpeg files. 2..You have created another stage of lossyness by the conversion to the bloat. They were best left as they were and put onto a CD.Why...because they were VCDs 3..People who download this lossy creation of yours will now infect the trading pool by passing it off as a DVD because they know as much as you do. 4..PRATT!!! We just get people to realize the benefits of lossless on the audio front & then you come along....cheers |
Jay Mantis 06.04.2007 13:26 |
I'm sorry but that sounds just a bit too ungrateful. Yeah sure he has created yet another lossy DVD but at least he's sharing something some may find interesting. I know that some like to watch these clips on DVD for whatever reason so this isn't that useless. Thanks for sharing! |
Manuel Benes 06.04.2007 13:36 |
First of all thanks for your nice words. you make me feel really welcome here. heard a lot of rumours about queenzone and the always nice people here yelling and swearing to each other all the time. but after some years now and some very funny, sometimes disturbing post i saw here this proves again that the rumours are more than true. So, i'm no expert on making a dvd. And i really appreciate your comments about my work on the original files. I know now that i did it wrong. All i wanted to do is that the files can be watched by everyone with a dvd-player. I never posted a torrent here before. But i downloaded a lot in the last years. I never converted flac-files into mp3. I always keep my torrents online as long as my bandwith allows it. i also made some covers for everyone to use. and now i wanted to post something new here. And if to bluster is all you can understand here - stick your pratt where the sun don't shine! |
Gregoryvincke 06.04.2007 13:50 |
You are stupid! |
Gregoryvincke 06.04.2007 13:51 |
i mean mister 928 is stupid! |
Ale Solan 06.04.2007 13:54 |
Good to see your site is back ;-D "enter english (not available Jet?) hehe... Yet ;-) This DVD is indeed lossy but don't worry, thanks for sharing anyway. PS: this was originally SVCD, not VCD. |
Bobby_brown 06.04.2007 14:01 |
I´ve missed the SVCD, so this is really appreciated. Thanks! One thing is good- You´ve kept the lineage of what you´ve donne to that video, this way we know what we´re downloading. Take care |
* adventure seeker * 06.04.2007 14:28 |
mister 928, can i sak y u have to bite his head off? no one can post anything these days without sumone bein a bitch, so what if he has done that, at least hes havin a go, grow up :~) |
Manic 06.04.2007 15:35 |
Manuel, thanks for the effort. I'm sure some who haven't seen the files will appreciate it. 928 - Grow up and stop trying to earn a reputation. Nobody thinks you are fighting an honourable battle to educate. Most think, quite rightly, you are a stupid, ignorant prick. These "lossy" files you hate so much are for Queen fans to enjoy, not trade. If you don't want to download, don't say anything. |
The Real Wizard 06.04.2007 16:57 |
Gregoryvincke wrote: i mean mister 928 is stupid!Yeah, and it's brilliantly intelligent people like you who are helping the lossy files circulate, because you don't know the difference between good and bad quality. Bobby_brown wrote: One thing is good- You´ve kept the lineage of what you´ve donne to that video, this way we know what we´re downloading.This is very true. But still, this version should be taken down, and shared as the 2-SVCD set it originally was. Passing this off as a DVD is like painting a silver necklace gold, and saying it's a gold necklace. * adventure seeker * wrote: mister 928, can i sak y u have to bite his head off? no one can post anything these days without sumone bein a bitch, so what if he has done that, at least hes havin a go, grow up :~)First, please learn to speak English. I had to read that one word at a time to confirm that it was actually some form of English. Second, if we're going to improve the quality standards at this forum (and the reputation of Queen collectors in the wider collecting world), then we need people like 928 to speak up. I'm sure he's a very nice person. He has just established himself here as being the litmus test for what is lossless and what is not. Thanks for once again being the voice of reason, even if you're still the voice that few of us want to hear. Keep it up, man! |
onevsion 06.04.2007 17:07 |
well said Bob....! |
Gregoryvincke 06.04.2007 17:15 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:And who the fuck do you think you are..Gregoryvincke wrote: i mean mister 928 is stupid!Yeah, and it's brilliantly intelligent people like you who are helping the lossy files circulate, because you don't know the difference between good and bad quality.Bobby_brown wrote: One thing is good- You´ve kept the lineage of what you´ve donne to that video, this way we know what we´re downloading.This is very true. But still, this version should be taken down, and shared as the 2-SVCD set it originally was. Passing this off as a DVD is like painting a silver necklace gold, and saying it's a gold necklace.* adventure seeker * wrote: mister 928, can i sak y u have to bite his head off? no one can post anything these days without sumone bein a bitch, so what if he has done that, at least hes havin a go, grow up :~)First, please learn to speak English. I had to read that one word at a time to confirm that it was actually some form of English. Second, if we're going to improve the quality standards at this forum (and the reputation of Queen collectors in the wider collecting world), then we need people like 928 to speak up. I'm sure he's a very nice person. He has just established himself here as being the litmus test for what is lossless and what is not. Thanks for once again being the voice of reason, even if you're still the voice that few of us want to hear. Keep it up, man! |
Ale Solan 06.04.2007 19:35 |
Gregoryvincke wrote: And who the fuck do you think you are...A great Queen collector, fuckwit. |
Josh Henson 06.04.2007 19:39 |
The bickering and bashing up here by the same 'great' few that uphold all that is sacred and others is ridiculous. You guys take yourselves and this whole 'thing' way too freaking seriously. It's not the end of the world, people. Why don't you focus your energy on petitioning Brian May and Queen Productions on getting them to start releasing real material that most Queen fans want??? That sounds more worthwhile than the FLAC/lossy debate and crap like that. Just because stuff that isn't FLAC is out there doesn't mean that FLAC will disappear like the polar ice caps! Again, it all comes down to this: IF YOU DON'T WANT IT, DON'T DOWNLOAD IT!!! |
Manuel Benes 06.04.2007 20:43 |
As i posted before, I had some trouble with my torrent-programm. So i made a new torrent and it should work now! |
TheGame 06.04.2007 21:12 |
SirGH and 928 have many valid points. I just dont see why all you others dont seem to understand it too. Its quite simple really, but instead of learning i guess its easier to respond by using harsh words.....oh my |
Saint Jiub 06.04.2007 21:22 |
All Hail the Bitchy Bitter Bastards. A shame I don't care about videos too much otherwise, I might download it. There are 5 things that should never be done in Queenzone. 1. Ungratefulness for someone sharing something that does not meet their holiness standards. 2. Threatening to take ones toys back into the pram, if someone converts flac to mp3 and shares it. 3. Insulting someone's intelligence for sharing flac. 4. Share porn 5. Death threats by know it all teenagers. |
Saint Jiub 06.04.2007 21:25 |
TheGame wrote: Its quite simple really, but instead of learning i guess its easier to respond by using harsh words.....oh myYou mean like the harsh hyperbole below. "4..PRATT!!!" "Yeah, and it's brilliantly intelligent people like you who are helping the lossy files circulate, because you don't know the difference between good and bad quality." |
drwinston99 06.04.2007 22:27 |
TheGame wrote: SirGH and 928 have many valid points. I just dont see why all you others dont seem to understand it too. Its quite simple really, but instead of learning i guess its easier to respond by using harsh words.....oh myBecause instead of making salient points and educating people considerately, they have to be pricks about it. When points are make this way, it exposes them for the bloated, self-important jackasses they are, and they deserve all that they get. And oh yeah, Mr. High and Mighty 928 - DVD is a format, not a compression ratio. So maybe you should learn something before putting your ignorance on public display. If you have a better copy, post it. Otherwise, shut the fuck up. |
Dr3amSl33p 06.04.2007 23:48 |
oh dear... this place is becoming worse and worse every day. 8( Of course, we need a discussion ´bout quality.. Of course ppl should be educated in this.. Of course its not happening without mentioning.. But do we need whats going on at the moment..? I mean, some sure instinct would have been appropriate. :-/ Do we have a sticky topic regarding quality standards and what´s best to be delivered with an announce..? - No. Do we have a sticky topic with an instruction to the various formats..? - No. Do we even have a serious discussion topic that´s on the first few pages and containing an exchange of views on how we gonna solve this deadlocked situation (without insulting each other!)..? - Don´t think so. So what do we have atm instead..? - Lot´s of posts to announces telling the ppl how dumb and incompetent they are, without giving them a good option to improve their knowledge. We won´t make any progress if this isn´t becoming somehow organized and more civilized soon. And I´m only talking about the announce/sharing section now. The other parts of QZ are close to be doomed imho... lol My two cents.. |
Ale Solan 07.04.2007 00:55 |
TheGame wrote: SirGH and 928 have many valid points.Indeed. |
onedunpark 07.04.2007 02:55 |
As someone who really can't be arsed wth all the mud-slinging that goes on here, my tuppence worth on this is that I'm with the lossless community. That said, however, what I'm sure most people were taking exception to was the "PRATT" comment to the original poster. A simple, "thanks for taking the time, but you really should have left them as they were because......" would have been fine. Again, I'm very much in favour of the lossless argument. There's no debate as far as I'm concerned. Manners (and patience), however, are something that seem to be checked in at the door when signing into the forums here. Shame, as it really does drag down the site/forum down and makes it a chose to read at times when it should be the reverse. Ah, well....back to lurking. |
Manuel Benes 07.04.2007 02:56 |
Alex Solan. wrote:As i said before, i don't have anything against "valid points" to see that i made a mistake in making this DVD out of the mpeg-files.TheGame wrote: SirGH and 928 have many valid points.Indeed. I'm no big expert in making DVD's. I only thought that the mpegs will be converted in DVD-format and i couldn't see any loss at the first look so i did go on making the DVD-files. So your points about making a mistake are welcome. But when the first response to my announce not only shows valid points but also shouting swear words - that doesn't help anybody. Only made me feel angry and sad about "modern standards" how people talk to someone they don't even know! And in my opinion it is simply useless to back up your point of view by slaging someone off! |
YourValentine 07.04.2007 03:42 |
"Do we have a sticky topic regarding quality standards and what´s best to be delivered with an announce..? - No. Do we have a sticky topic with an instruction to the various formats..? - No." We do not have such sticky topics because the website owner does not require any standard formats by people who share material. It was never stated by Richard that only certain formats are allowed to be shared, it's not website policy. Btw, in the hub there are no such requirements, either. You can share any format and it has never been a problem. You want flac - share flac. You want mp3 - just share mp3. Mobile phone movies, wmas and wmvs - even flv files are shared. I don't remember a single incident of people yelling at each other because of some shared formats in the hub. It's just the QZ forums where such yelling happens periodically. Apparently, some people cannot handle an environment where not every breath you take is regulated by rules with mods in place to enforce these rules. Yes, we could have a sticky topic with recommendations about formats explaining "upfaking" of files but it would only lead to more yelling and people demanding that files should be deleted from the forum. The sticky topics are made to help people and not to moderate them. |
Queenman!! 07.04.2007 05:29 |
Simple rules: 1) Respect people who don't have the knowlegde which you own. Everybody has to learn his whole life. 2) If you don't like what has been shared, don't download it and make a DVD yourself!! |
rhapsody8 07.04.2007 06:25 |
It doesn't work.. :( |
928 07.04.2007 07:31 |
Here we go again Bob....lol Exactly what i expected in the replys...bit of a mix. A lot of you know how i work :). Right listen up guys The same thing happened with your education of lossless audio. You slammed me ,& others for shitting on your mp3s this way.....you didnt see it. I/we were up front the same way with that and in time you all came around and saw the benefit of flac,shn and lossless & now this board has never seen so much lossless audio since the time of the dinosaurs...Yes?...true isn't it? You learned how to keep the integrity of the file,how to rip losslessly,how to convert to a lossless format.. so that in years to come "that show" would not dissapear into the abyss of obliterated quality how so many have already done. No-one would upload or share anything because they were afraid that some QZ member would lossy it up and pollute the trading circles with it.Again true yes? These were mpegs..they should of stayed mpegs. You know it! So don't bash the person that says the truth and if you take offence for me being direct ,to the point and not pussying about when i say it................gets some balls,it's not me who needs to grow up. You didn't listen if i/we was all polite about it on the audio front & if you can't read up about it yourselves 1st,it seems we have to do it the hard way for the video as well. I have no problem with sharing of formats ...as long as they were what they were originally and that there are no better known versions freely available. THIS ..has gone through another stage of lossy & i wonder how long it will take before someone rips this "DVD" to VCD and shares that. Then that will be made into a "DVD". Eventually you will see just blurs THEN you all fooking whinge that there are no good versions about....i wonder why!! See the cycle yet PS:...manuel Pratt isn't a swear word..its sort of what one of your friends would call you when you were not being clever.Would you take offence at that? Trust me...i know a few swear words...lol |
Gregoryvincke 07.04.2007 09:27 |
928 wrote: Here we go again Bob....lol Exactly what i expected in the replys...bit of a mix. A lot of you know how i work :). Right listen up guys The same thing happened with your education of lossless audio. You slammed me ,& others for shitting on your mp3s this way.....you didnt see it. I/we were up front the same way with that and in time you all came around and saw the benefit of flac,shn and lossless & now this board has never seen so much lossless audio since the time of the dinosaurs...Yes?...true isn't it? You learned how to keep the integrity of the file,how to rip losslessly,how to convert to a lossless format.. so that in years to come "that show" would not dissapear into the abyss of obliterated quality how so many have already done. No-one would upload or share anything because they were afraid that some QZ member would lossy it up and pollute the trading circles with it.Again true yes? These were mpegs..they should of stayed mpegs. You know it! So don't bash the person that says the truth and if you take offence for me being direct ,to the point and not pussying about when i say it................gets some balls,it's not me who needs to grow up. You didn't listen if i/we was all polite about it on the audio front & if you can't read up about it yourselves 1st,it seems we have to do it the hard way for the video as well. I have no problem with sharing of formats ...as long as they were what they were originally and that there are no better known versions freely available. THIS ..has gone through another stage of lossy & i wonder how long it will take before someone rips this "DVD" to VCD and shares that. Then that will be made into a "DVD". Eventually you will see just blurs THEN you all fooking whinge that there are no good versions about....i wonder why!! See the cycle yet PS:...manuel Pratt isn't a swear word..its sort of what one of your friends would call you when you were not being clever.Would you take offence at that? Trust me...i know a few swear words...lolDamn "mister 928".. you talk like a nerd. (nerd is not an insult if you check in one of your billion dictionnaries or manuels)Hahahaha.. Poor you :) |
928 07.04.2007 10:54 |
& you act like a cunt <- now thats a swear word ya shit for fuck ass wipe wanker. See the difference when i want to offend..."Hahahaha". Un-educated you :) |
Dr3amSl33p 07.04.2007 11:12 |
thats what I meant... if you don´t have anything to say regarding the topic just save your breath and be quiet! :-/
YourValentine wrote: We do not have such sticky topics because the website owner does not require any standard formats by people who share material. It was never stated by Richard that only certain formats are allowed to be shared, it's not website policy.My intention was not to tell the ppl that only certain formats are allowed.. but many might not know anything about formats and they could learn easily sth about it if there were any type of explanation offered here. That´d be better than yelling at them and as a side-effect lossless might be accepted automatically. We don´t do us and this "movement" a favour by insulting the ppl instead of just educating them. Many of those who might not know better are more of deterred than encouraged here. |
The Real Wizard 07.04.2007 12:07 |
drwinston99 wrote: Because instead of making salient points and educating people considerately, they have to be pricks about it.I've been considerate enough for years. It's not my fault that so many people still aren't catching on. Look at my history of posting in this section of the forum. There have been many rational discussions on the subject, and it was always like US politics: two sides completely opposed to one another with little middle ground. One time, a few of us spent many days slowly and calmly explaining why lossless was better than lossy, and people still refused to listen, and sunk to insults, calling us "ungrateful" and "selfish" because we simply noted what was wrong with lossy shares. If you want to get technical, I personally wasn't being ungrateful because for just about every mp3-sourced recording that has ever been shared here, I own a lossless copy, probably with lower tape generation. You will find people with reasons to be pro-lossless, but to this day, we have never once heard a rational reason to be pro-lossy. All we've heard are personal attacks against those who have quality standards. These people choose to be ignorant and take these things personally, even though every time, we have gone out of our way to note that it wasn't a personal attack against the sharer, since they usually don't know the difference. There are only a very few people who post mp3s purely out of spite against pro-lossless people. We all know who they are. I digress. So, since people didn't listen, we started sharing a lot of concerts in FLAC, and now, the majority of the shares here are lossless, with few people paying attention to the lossy ones these days. All we want is for this place to have quality standards. Our goal is for everyone to have the best possible recording of each show. That isn't going to happen when lossy and improperly/insufficiently labeled recordings continue to be shared. It really is as simple as that. If anyone disagrees and insists for whatever reason that a lossy recording is sufficient, then all one can do is show them an alternative, and then they can decide for themselves which is better - free of personal attacks. That's all I've been doing, and all I'll continue to do. |
YourValentine 07.04.2007 12:38 |
On other websites you can see how often a topic was opened - just check on QOL. You will see that a topic may be read by hundreds of people but only a few take part in the discussion. An open forum is not like a class room where you learn something and proceed from there. If you share on the internet you start from scratch all the time. You have to explain things all over again to many people who did not find or did not understand the sticky topics or the FAQs. It's not helpful to call people names and insult a sharer because he upfaked some mpgs. He did not mean any harm, he only wanted to give something back. However, if people are called names and insulted we only scare them off. Basically, Steve said it all: "Manners (and patience), however, are something that seem to be checked in at the door when signing into the forums here. Shame, as it really does drag down the site/forum down and makes it a chose to read at times when it should be the reverse" |
The Real Wizard 07.04.2007 12:47 |
YourValentine wrote: It's not helpful to call people names and insult a sharer because he upfaked some mpgs. He did not mean any harm, he only wanted to give something back. However, if people are called names and insulted we only scare them off.Yes... But if there was a sticky in the announce forum explaining the differences between lossy and lossless audio and video, with pros and cons of each, then people could decide from the beginning which is the correct way. It seems that most people aren't aware of these things when they first come here, so I think that would be a great starting point. After a while, we wouldn't even need to ban lossy recordings, because the majority of people would find it unacceptable. We need to promote quality... not quantity. We don't need 10 versions of "Paris 79" shared here. We need one version of 2-28-79 audio, one 3-1-79 audio, and one DVD which is a compilation of the three nights. If everyone understood this and continued to seed these three recordings, then these shows would never need to be shared again, unless of course, a better recording emerged, which is always welcome. :) |
Armando Alejandro Estrada 07.04.2007 12:48 |
Manuel Benes wrote: First of all thanks for your nice words. you make me feel really welcome here. heard a lot of rumours about queenzone and the always nice people here yelling and swearing to each other all the time. but after some years now and some very funny, sometimes disturbing post i saw here this proves again that the rumours are more than true. So, i'm no expert on making a dvd. And i really appreciate your comments about my work on the original files. I know now that i did it wrong. All i wanted to do is that the files can be watched by everyone with a dvd-player. I never posted a torrent here before. But i downloaded a lot in the last years. I never converted flac-files into mp3. I always keep my torrents online as long as my bandwith allows it. i also made some covers for everyone to use. and now i wanted to post something new here. And if to bluster is all you can understand here - stick your pratt where the sun don't shine!I think you resumed what this place is. And 928 is a moron with no manners. |
The Real Wizard 07.04.2007 13:00 |
Armando Alejandro Estrada wrote: And 928 is a moron with no manners.No... he's one of the most intelligent people on this forum, but he just isn't one of the most diplomatic ones. |
Dr3amSl33p 07.04.2007 13:05 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: But if there was a sticky in the announce forum explaining the differences between lossy and lossless audio and video, with pros and cons of each, then people could decide from the beginning which is the correct way. It seems that most people aren't aware of these things when they first come here, so I think that would be a great starting point. After a while, we wouldn't even need to ban lossy recordings, because the majority of people would find it unacceptable.totally approve of this post. Its not about banning sth or dictating the ppl what they should share. It´s about giving those who don´t know the differences between the various formats an opportunity to learn it... and even more important: doing it without insulting: An Info-topic doesn´t harm anybody ;-) ^^ |
Manuel Benes 07.04.2007 13:42 |
OK. Let's forget about the swearing and yelling-thing for a while. I said it before and i will say it again - thanks for the critics - they are really welcome!! I will not convert any mpeg-files to DVD in the future again. I learned that now! Thanks for the tips - i really mean it! But i have one "technical" question now for all you experts out there. I have a Hardware-DVD-Recorder where i can record my old VHS-Tapes on DVD. Always heard about "saving" the Tape to DVD, not "convert" it. So if i record my VHS Tape to the Harddisk of the DVD-Recorder - it is one big mpeg-file! Than add chapters and a menu and save it on DVD - is it as good as the VHS-Tape or "lossy"? As said, i'm no expert in this and with my own eyes i can see no difference between the VHS-Tape-quality and the one on DVD. Of course it depends on the original quality. But i saved some old Queen-VHS like "Magic Years" on DVD and it looks great, in my opinion the same as the VHS. No dramatic difference! Thanks - Manuel |
Carthoris 07.04.2007 14:06 |
thank you! |
928 07.04.2007 15:21 |
Manuel Benes wrote: OK. Let's forget about the swearing and yelling-thing for a while. I said it before and i will say it again - thanks for the critics - they are really welcome!! I will not convert any mpeg-files to DVD in the future again. I learned that now! Thanks for the tips - i really mean it! But i have one "technical" question now for all you experts out there. I have a Hardware-DVD-Recorder where i can record my old VHS-Tapes on DVD. Always heard about "saving" the Tape to DVD, not "convert" it. So if i record my VHS Tape to the Harddisk of the DVD-Recorder - it is one big mpeg-file! Than add chapters and a menu and save it on DVD - is it as good as the VHS-Tape or "lossy"? As said, i'm no expert in this and with my own eyes i can see no difference between the VHS-Tape-quality and the one on DVD. Of course it depends on the original quality. But i saved some old Queen-VHS like "Magic Years" on DVD and it looks great, in my opinion the same as the VHS. No dramatic difference! Thanks - ManuelThis is acceptable Manuel. Mpeg 2 is in itself a lossy format but we try to keep it the best that we can. The least lossy way to transfer VHS to DVD is to use an S-VHS player ,but you are ok with what you are doing. Try not to record more than 2 hours onto 1 disc and when possible split a 2 hour show onto 2 discs.Then the bit sampling rate will be the best you can get and the audio will be uncompressed so no reconversion takes place on that front. You will not make 1 big mpeg file ,you will make 3 or 4 VOB files that will come with IFO & BUP files.They stand for Information and Back Up...you need those,they tell the DVD player what to do,where the chapters are etc. To rip your new DVD to the PC look for a program called DVD Decrypter...its free. You can just copy & paste the folders from the DVD to the desktop but its not a safe way...you could get errors It is a fine difference this way to what you did. I appologise if you felt i was too strong. At least you took the info in 1st time...it took 2 years for us to educate members with lossless audio as most had an I.Q of 4. Thanks manuel,i look forward to seeing your VHS transfers.Need any help...just shout ;) |
Manic 07.04.2007 15:24 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:An intelligent man would get a point across and educate without being so arrogant, rude and offensive to a person who is atempting to share something with others.Armando Alejandro Estrada wrote: And 928 is a moron with no manners.No... he's one of the most intelligent people on this forum, but he just isn't one of the most diplomatic ones. Maybe requesting that the mpeg files be shared instead and explaining why would have been better. I understand and agree with the sentiment but not in the manner. I still suspect that Mr 928 is attempting to ingratiate himself with those that he sees as the QZ Big-Hitters and spouts the same old aggressive and divisive stuff thread after thread because that's all he can offer and thats what some Queenzoners' seem to want to hear. "You know how I work" is not an excuse for putting off other potential uploaders who wish to be part of what is becoming a very divisive community. Not all MP3 and other lossy formats will pollute your precious trading pool. Some people just want to hear the music and enjoy it for themselves. |
The Real Wizard 07.04.2007 18:32 |
Manic wrote: An intelligent man would get a point across and educate without being so arrogant, rude and offensive to a person who is atempting to share something with others.Intelligence and conduct are two different things. If I may speak for him, 928 has been a very eloquent poster in the past, as was his last post in this topic. But he has just become frustrated with the way many QZers refuse to even entertain the positives of lossless audio and video. We have won over Manuel, and surely there will be more. "You know how I work" is not an excuse for putting off other potential uploaders who wish to be part of what is becoming a very divisive community.Actually, the community is in a much better state now than it was say, two years ago. Back then, maybe half a dozen of us were fighting against a majority who wanted mp3s only because the files were smaller. Today, I'd say at least half of the people in the announce forum are aware of what the term "lossless" means. We just aren't seeing posts from many of them, because they're still trying to be diplomatic, and don't want to add to the arguments. So, people like myself and 928 speak out, and we get all the heat. But I'm happy to do it, as people like Manuel make it all worth while. Technology is moving forwards, not backwards, so people must learn how to preserve the quality of their recordings since it is possible, and not difficult to do. Not all MP3 and other lossy formats will pollute your precious trading pool. Some people just want to hear the music and enjoy it for themselves.If you had a choice between a 128 kbps mp3 and a FLAC file, which would you take, and why? Please don't turn this into "mp3 is better than nothing". "Nothing" isn't in the equation, because there is a choice between two things. If you believe that lossy files should have a place, and you're convinced that they will not put a damper on the quest to circulate the best possible versions of each concert, then I'd like to know your reasoning behind that. |
Manuel Benes 07.04.2007 19:12 |
928 wrote: Thanks manuel,i look forward to seeing your VHS transfers.Need any help...just shout ;)Sorry, but i think i will not post my VHS transfers because they are made from official available VHS from the 80's and 90's - as Magic Years, Live in Rio, Live in Budapest and so on. I only made them to "save" them on DVD. But thanks for your tipps! |
Dr3amSl33p 07.04.2007 19:42 |
I think we have to remember that QZ is a place for common Queenfans and not only for collectors... There might be a lot of ppl out there who are just not interested in the high quality standards collectors feel bound to. I respect that as long as no lossy material is converted back to "lossless" formats and shared here as "collectors-stuff". To avoid that we just need a sticky topic explaining the differences between the various formats which prevends those, who don´t know, from doing that. btw.. most who wanna share lossless won´t use a lossy copy as a source anyway cause they might allready be aware of the different formats and the nonsense of converting mp3 to flac for example. The few who don´t know and think it may be more appreciated if they share flac and convert their mp3 to it for that reason would have a good place to learn if any info-topic exists. Furthermore I think it would be a good thing to think about two announce-sections here on QZ. One for those who don´t care with no restrictions and one for the collectors with certain standards. If we had any moderators here (I know.. no welcome thought^^) false posts could be easily switched either. It would spare us a lot of trouble and "normal" fans would keep their place, which was the original idea of QZ. |
YourValentine 07.04.2007 21:37 |
"Actually, the community is in a much better state now than it was say, two years ago. Back then, maybe half a dozen of us were fighting against a majority who wanted mp3s only because the files were smaller. Today, I'd say at least half of the people in the announce forum are aware of what the term "lossless" means. We just aren't seeing posts from many of them, because they're still trying to be diplomatic, and don't want to add to the arguments" My memory is really different. QZ was originally an mp3 sharing community and flac came with the BitTorrent tracker. Before the tracker there was no way of sharing big files like flac and DVD. It was not that the stupid masses were "educated" by some enlightened few but there used to be a lively discussion about all kinds of aspects of the sharing. I learnt a lot on this forum - mainly from well mannered members of the forum and the hub who have left long ago due to the rudeness of some trolls like 928 who has never shared a single file himself. I am really surprised that you, Bob, rationalize his behaviour - like it's okay to behave like this only because he shares your opinion. The people who just lurk and do not post here are mainly scared off by such rudeness and not quiet because they want to be "diplomatic", I know that from many emails. Many users never post because they are just afraid of being called names and not being able to defend themselves. This is mainly true for foreign language users. Also, the main sharers here on Queenzone are never rude to other users, they are always patient and friendly. @ Dr3amsl33p - I don't think there will be another forum, it would not help, anyway. People do not post in the correct forums sometimes and we would have to move even more topics. A sticky topic is another story but someone would have to write it up. It should be information only and not ideologic. So - if someone wants to write up such an informational topic, please email it - of course the writer will be credited. |
Dr3amSl33p 07.04.2007 22:21 |
YourValentine wrote: I don't think there will be another forum, it would not help, anyway. People do not post in the correct forums sometimes and we would have to move even more topics. A sticky topic is another story but someone would have to write it up. It should be information only and not ideologic. So - if someone wants to write up such an informational topic, please email it - of course the writer will be credited.I don´t really see the point why another section wouldn´t help. I was told on the hub (when I mentioned this idea before) that it isn´t the idea of QZ to aim mostly at the collectors. On the other side these collectors are trying to enforce a change of QZ into that direction - which caused this trouble we have now^^ - simply because there is no other place on the internet which brings so much Queen-sharers together. So why not pleasing both groups by giving them their each own habitat..? Moving more topics isn´t a good reason for me - thats what we might have mods for. (btw.. why moving "more" topics.. are request-posts in the announce-section moved at the moment..?) There are several more reasons for having mods but I fear I´m not welcome by saying this. I really appreciate the work of the actual administration (and so do all the others I guess) but there is a certain point at which you have to realize that help is needed as long as you don´t wanna do this as a full-time job ;-) ^^ ... and we are at that point imho. Anyway I´m happy to see that a sticky topic with information about audio-/video-formats is accepted now. :-) I´m sure someone competent is willing to compose such a text. |
The Real Wizard 08.04.2007 01:50 |
YourValentine wrote: I am really surprised that you, Bob, rationalize his behaviour - like it's okay to behave like this only because he shares your opinion.Don't get me wrong... I fully realize he often isn't diplomatic or patient, and should take it down a notch or two. A sticky topic is another story but someone would have to write it up. It should be information only and not ideologic. So - if someone wants to write up such an informational topic, please email it - of course the writer will be credited.I'd be happy to do it. I won't have time over the next few days as the big WWRY opening night is on Tuesday. If nobody else volunteers, I'll do it - just not right away! |
928 08.04.2007 04:01 |
Well you remember it wrong then YV. 2 years ago ,more Queen releases were released on every other site 1st....not QZ. Why..because everyone knew that it would be mp3d up on here. In fact,on the video front, you are half the problem with the crap DVDs that circulate. All the shite with "YV encoded" on it.All stuff from VCDs etc...you know it. I even have your Europe Paris,Munich etc bollox. You even fucked up the Brian May shows 6 months ago by re-compressing them and putting them onto 1 disc. So dont give me that crap ,your still in the same boat as the numbnutz members 1/2 the time. Its people like Bob,myself etc that have changed this site for the better and if i got a asses name for doing it ,then that is a small price to pay to keep the integrity of the music as that is what its all about!! Where you are going wrong is by saying that Bob ,myself and others share the same opinion. No its not the same opinion....its the correct way to do it. You and me know the alphabet...we were taught the correct way it's not that we have the same opinion on how its said. 2 weeks ago ,for the 1st time ever there was not a single Mp3 announce on the 1st page.It was all lossless. Why?..........because "trolls like me" fooking taught you how to appreciate the best way to watch,listen & preserve YOUR favourite artists. Check back & see some of the topics where people changed from mp3 to lossless after having it shown to them that it was the best way. All because of the people who do it right....troll or not.NOT because "a" tracker appeared. If your a fan...you want the best don't you. Why accept crap quality unless it is the best that there is. All the mp3s & VCDs you want are on dump sites like nova,bay etc.If this site is for the real fans then the quality should centre from HERE. btw,i'm a video guy mainly but i believe in lossless audio and strive the same way for it because sometimes you need to swap the crap camera audio for a good one..........it couldnt be done the mp3 way. Anyway,now that you've all learnt on that front and people are sharing the audio more in lossless..........WHEN you learn not to fuck up the video 2 minutes after release i will un-earth the archives. Btw i trade for my sharing of Queen and a lot of ppl know it....i only trust 1/2 the members here,so no torrents for you yet. Torrents...lol...there's the I.Q here.1/2 have trouble working out rapidshare and they only want rapidshare because a 2 click program for downloading torrents is to difficult to work out. I agree with you all that i'm not diplomatic as 928(i am another member you know ;) ),this is because you only take the teaching in if you are offended into it!!! & it works hehe (i wouldnt want the real me to get a bad name would i) |
The Real Wizard 08.04.2007 04:11 |
928, can you please send me an email? bobw_22 at hotmail Thanks man! |
Wiley 08.04.2007 04:52 |
Hey... I think I see where both people's arguments are coming from. There should be a Queen site where ONLY the best recordings of each show were shared. Should QZ be this as well? I think it could. A good part of this would be to educate people (which is difficult and time consuming). What if there was a section in this site which linked to ONLY the BEST versions of each show? Could this be a step in the right direction? I mean, a link to shows already shared in QZ, Dimeadozen or Trader's Den as torrents. This could be made in stand alone pages for each tour or even in sticky posts in these forums. This would need some administration, of course, but I think that there are many people in this forum that would like to contribute to this great site (me included) and this would be a good way. What do you think? JCW |
YourValentine 08.04.2007 05:02 |
@ Dr3amsl33p - you can always email Richard and tell him you do not like the way he runs his forum - from experience I know it won't get you anywhere. In the past he has added various forums (Request forum, Serious Queen forum) to defuse some tension but you can add 20 more forums - as long as people do not play along it won't help. The "mods" issue has been discussed to death, too - there won't be any mods. And yes - we do not move all the wrongly posted topics all the time and immediately, so much is true :) @ Bob - thanks for the offer :-) @ 928 "I agree with you all that i'm not diplomatic as 928(i am another member you know ;) ),this is because you only take the teaching in if you are offended into it!!! & it works hehe (i wouldnt want the real me to get a bad name would i)" Yes - that is the definition of a troll, nothing new there. You have no good name - you only have a big mouth. |
Ginger01 08.04.2007 06:22 |
928, I appreciate and respect your technical knowledge and have learned a lot from your posts over the years. It is your insulting approach that upsets me. Manuel started his post saying that it was his first torrent – wouldn’t it have been better simply to explain why his file is lossy and how to avoid this, and then wait for his reaction before bringing on the insults? I admre him for taking it so well – if you had done that to me on my first torrent I would have never shared again. I fully support sharing lossless only and am delighted to see that mp3 has all but disappeared from the sharing forum – but I do not think it is due to 928’s insults. I think Sir Bob’s explanations and great concerts he has shared has done far more to demonstrate that lossless is not just some technobabble for geeks – there really is a difference you can hear. Sir Bob has convinced most people here of the importance of including lineage, and did so without any insults. By the way, improved internet connections and bigger hard disk capacity have also played a big role – downloading a FLAC or DVD takes hours rather than days so there is no excuse any more not to go for quality. It would be really great to have a sticky with basic information on lossless/lossy formats to educate newcomers to the forum as well as a list of “official” releases (updated as necessary) – of course not everyone would read it but we would at least have a source people could be sent to refer to before being told off or insulted. Wiley’s suggestion of a list of “best versions” is laudable but in my view impracticable – it assumes that the best version is available, and of course would evolve as new versions emerge or existing ones remastered. I have over 50 concerts in mp3 only (acquired over the years here and on the hub) and would love to upgrade if only someone would share the FLAC. Which brings me to a polite request that 928 (or his Dr Jeckyll alter ego) share a (lossless!) file now and again rather than just insults. This is a website for Queen fans –let’s share collector-quality files and not yell insults at each other. Happy Easter anyway! :) |
queenrocks23 08.04.2007 06:38 |
artwork please!!! |
Manuel Benes 08.04.2007 07:39 |
Thanks Ginger01 for seeing my point. But about the often harsh words used here against other people - as is it easter i have to quote Jesus himself "forgive them father, they don't know what they are doing!" ;-) But back to the technical - so if i have the 5 mpeg-files, together approx. 1 GB - and if i would have made 5 DVD's out of it there would be no quality-loss? Or if i burn them onto a CD as VCD. I still don't get where i "messed" it up. Because when (as said before) i record 1 hour of VHS to my DVD-Recorder and burn it onto DVD - there also should be no compression or quality-loss, because the DVD should get up to 2 hours in best quality. As the shared DVD is 50 minutes long - what would be the best way to bring them on DVD and if there is no best way to do that, where do i loose quality in the Converting-process? Thanks! Manuel PS: Artwork can be found here: link |
The Real Wizard 08.04.2007 11:22 |
Ginger01 wrote: Wiley’s suggestion of a list of “best versions” is laudable but in my view impracticable – it assumes that the best version is available, and of course would evolve as new versions emerge or existing ones remastered.You just answered your own question. It is a list that would correct itself over time. Any list is a "current" list that can always be updated. But of course, you can view this negatively and say it's impractical because it's never complete! But it will always be a work in progress, and hopefully a useful resource at any given time. On my old website, I had a "best bootlegs" page. Even though my website is offline (and I'm working on a new one), I'm still updating that page with every new recording I hear about. I fully support sharing lossless only and am delighted to see that mp3 has all but disappeared from the sharing forumAgreed... we're doing great work on the audio front, but there's still a bit of work to do for video. Thanks for all your kind words, Ginger. Give me yet another month or two, and my new website will be online. I have some big plans.. :) |
Dr3amSl33p 08.04.2007 13:21 |
YourValentine wrote: @ Dr3amsl33p - you can always email Richard and tell him you do not like the way he runs his forum - from experience I know it won't get you anywhere. In the past he has added various forums (Request forum, Serious Queen forum) to defuse some tension but you can add 20 more forums - as long as people do not play along it won't help. The "mods" issue has been discussed to death, too - there won't be any mods. And yes - we do not move all the wrongly posted topics all the time and immediately, so much is true :)errr... where did I say that I don´t like the way he runs this forum? In fact I said the opposite. I´m sure he does the best he can do without giving up his real-life job :D But its obvious that one (or two ;) ) persons alone can´t restore order here anymore.. why do you fail to see that? You argue against my advices with the reasons for mods but in the same sentence you negate them.. there will be never all ppl "playing along" and "all the time and immediatly" moving posts is putting it mildly. :D Thats normal and reality in every forum on the internet.. but this is in fact the biggest board without mods to take care of that I have ever seen. As you can see people are not regulating themselves or problems are solved by the community. It´s causing more trouble than any mod-action could ever do. If I sound ungrateful for the service QZ offers let me tell you again: I do highly appreciate every bit of Richards effort in bringing this one up.. but I can´t understand why any help is rejected while the administration is losing control. :-/ @928: You don´t do us a favor by insulting everyone who´s not your opinion or just doesn´t know any better. By "educating" the ppl in this way you will scare ´em off instead of giving them an understanding of our idea. Not really usefull - no matter how competent you are. @Sir GH: Great! I´m happy to hear you will set up such an info text. :) That´ll give us a place all the ppl could refer to and being sent instead of insulting them. I´m also eagerly awaiting your website and wish you good luck for that and of course for the big WWRY opening.. rock it! :D |
Giacco 73 20.04.2007 09:38 |
Any seeders? I'm at 77.5%, thank you so much! |