| Dagmara 23.02.2007 13:57 |
Someone said my that on this songs are only drum machine: HOt SPACE - Staying Power Dancer Back Chat Body Language Cool Cat THE WORKS - Radio Ga Ga I want to break free A KIND OF MAGIC - A kind of Magic One year of love Pain is so close to pleasure Friends will be friends Don't lose your head THE MIRACLE - Party The invisible MAn Rain Must Fall Scandal My Baby does me INNUENDO - I can't live with you Ride the wild wind These are the days of our lives Delilah It's true only synth drums on this songs? This is said drummer?! |
| Sebastian 24.02.2007 06:55 |
There are four different concepts: - Acoustic Drums - Electronic Drums - Drum Machines (later on Midi Drums) - Synth-Generated Drums I don't know if electric drums exist too, they must... Anyway: Staying Power: Mostly e-drums and machines, with acoustic cymbals. Dancer: Ditto Back Chat: Ditto Body Language: Almost entirely machines. Cool Cat: Machines, with e-drums perhaps. Radio Ga Ga: Machines + e-drums I want to break free: Ditto A kind of Magic: Machines One year of love: The sound acoustic to me Pain is so close to pleasure: Computers + acoustic Friends will be friends: Acoustic + electronic Don't lose your head: Acoustic (+ computerised fills) Party: Programmed (for the most part) The invisible Man: Programmed Rain Must Fall: Mostly programmed, and the percussion instruments are actually generated by e-drum pads Scandal: 100% acoustic My Baby does me: 100% programmed I can't live with you: Synth-generated. My father's got a Korg M1 (which I bought for him as a present when he turned 50) and I've confirmed the sound matches. Ride the wild wind: Programmed These are the days of our lives: Programmed Delilah: Programmed |
| Dagmara 24.02.2007 07:47 |
Thanks a lot. I go to link for exp.: These Are The Days Of Our Lives Roger: Ludwig Drums, Maracas John: Fender P-Bass Brian: Red Special Electric Guitar Queen & David Richards: Korg Synth Programming David Richards: Conga Percussion and Congas was programmed too? And Roger play only cymbals acustic? |
| john bodega 24.02.2007 08:54 |
Someone said a while back that the 'fast' part of I Want It All was programmed? Not that Roger couldn't actually do it... I'm pretty sure he managed to do it live at the Tribute. Still I wonder. |
| Sebastian 24.02.2007 10:53 |
Indeed the fast part was programmed. Maybe Brian did it that way in the demo and they were too lazy to replace it. Conga percussion was programmed as well, imo. |
| Dagmara 24.02.2007 12:22 |
Lazy band ;) For me too much programmed and synth in good songs :( |
| Daniel vZ 24.02.2007 13:42 |
Sebastian wrote: Ride the wild wind: ProgrammedAre you 100% sure that RTWW only has programmed drums? And to me it sounds like Mother Love has programmd drums too, or not? And is there any source for that fast I Want It All part?? It sounds to me like real drums, it even speeds up a bit. |
| cmsdrums 24.02.2007 15:09 |
Party and The Invisible Man definitely have some real drums on, albeit in addition to the programmed parts. I don't know for sure, but I would be pretty sure that One Year Of Love is actually programmed drums - the rimshot, kick and snare are all too 'clean' to be acoustic, and the pattern is too regular to have been played live. As Sebastien says, it's often difficult to tell with some stuff whether it is actually Roger playing, but playing an electric kit as opposed to an acoustic one, or whether it is truly fully programmed drums. I am pretty sure that the 'fast bit' on I Want It All is actually real drums played by Roger, due to slight tempo changes, the cymbal work, and variations in the hi hat opening etc.., but it is more than possible that Roger played several takes and then Brian chopped this up and got the best bits, and the feel that he wanted by pasting the parts together. I remember reading Brian's sopabox where he said that this is what they did with Sleeping On The Sidewalk - he, Roger and John played a few live takes, and then he cut then up and re-arranged in the order he wanted. I don't KNOW any of this for sure, but am going with my ears as an experienced drummer/musician. Hopefully when we get good 5.1 mixes of all the stuff we may be able to tell more! Good topic though as I was thinking about this myself the other day! Cheers |
| Daniel vZ 24.02.2007 15:40 |
cmsdrums wrote: I would be pretty sure that One Year Of Love is actually programmed drums - the rimshot, kick and snare are all too 'clean' to be acoustic, and the pattern is too regular to have been played live.Yes, to me it sounds to clean too, almost certain that this is programmed, I think Roger would fall asleep playing this on elec-drums, lol. I am pretty sure that the 'fast bit' on I Want It All is actually real drums played by Roger, due to slight tempo changes, the cymbal work, and variations in the hi hat opening etc..My thoughts exactly, it would be (I think) too difficult to program that, and it just sounds like real drums. |
| Sebastian 24.02.2007 16:19 |
'One Year Of Love': You're right 'Ride The Wild Wind' is completely programmed imo. Compare it with live versions. 'I Want It All' would be worth checking out with DTS tracks. |
| Zak Royen 24.02.2007 20:53 |
Any idea about Roger's "My Country Parts I & II" (actually, part II)? Thank you. |
| Sebastian 25.02.2007 07:59 |
They sound acoustic to me (only effected), or perhaps an early Linn machine. |
| Joma 26.02.2007 19:50 |
I Want To Break Free is real drums. As is most of Queen's material. Listen carefully to Another Oner Bites The Dust and you know how exact Roger can play! |
| Ian R 27.02.2007 04:14 |
Joma wrote: I Want To Break Free is real drums. As is most of Queen's material. Listen carefully to Another Oner Bites The Dust and you know how exact Roger can play!That's because "Bites The Dust" used a repeating loop on the drum track. |
| Joma 27.02.2007 05:05 |
Ian R wrote:I wrote listen "carefully". You can also hear it live. Roger is surely not the wildest drummer around. But his timing is exceptional.Joma wrote: I Want To Break Free is real drums. As is most of Queen's material. Listen carefully to Another Oner Bites The Dust and you know how exact Roger can play!That's because "Bites The Dust" used a repeating loop on the drum track. The basic drums in IWTBF are definately real drums. And most of the songs have real drums. That does not mean that there are no e-drums anywhere. |
| violonbleu 27.02.2007 05:29 |
Anyway, Queen is programmed to be loved :-p |
| Dagmara 27.02.2007 06:08 |
I have another question where on Hapiness and Electric frire are acustic drums? |
| Joma 27.02.2007 07:33 |
Dagmara wrote: I have another question where on Hapiness and Electric frire are acustic drums?Happiness: All real drums except Freedom Train and Loneliness Foreign Sand has this Japanese guy on drums. E-Fire: People on Streets has e-drums |
| Sebastian 27.02.2007 07:51 |
Roger has perfect timing and for those songs - Break Free, Staying Power, etc - player perfectly on stage. But in the studio most of them were e-drums or programmed, whether we like it or not. |
| cmsdrums 27.02.2007 08:11 |
Final Destination (Roger version, not The Cross) doesn't have Yoshiki on drums, it's Roger - check the Foreign Sand CD single sleeve notes that says that Rog plays drums on FD. Possibly one of his best drum performances for years actually. I agree with Sebastian - I Want To Break Free is not real drums on the studio version. Listening to Staying Power again however is seems that after a while, there are real drums coming in over the electronic stuff, they're not high in the mix but come in and out at various points very effectively to 'beef up' the sound |
| Joma 27.02.2007 08:28 |
Sebastian wrote: Roger has perfect timing and for those songs - Break Free, Staying Power, etc - player perfectly on stage. But in the studio most of them were e-drums or programmed, whether we like it or not.It's not a question if we like it or not. But I think that IWTBF has real drums basically. Not the best sound, especially for Mack, but real. |
| Daniel vZ 27.02.2007 12:19 |
To me IWTBF sounds really like a drum computer (or something like that), all programmed. For me saying that IWTBF has (basically) some real drums, is like saying that the drums from Radio Ga Ga isn't a drum computer, lol. |
| Joma 27.02.2007 14:18 |
Well - we can't find anyone to confirm, can we? |
| Lord Fickle 28.02.2007 03:13 |
Surely the question should be, why use anything but 'real' drums, when you have a drummer of RT's quality in your band? This is one thing I hated about 80s Queen. |
| cmsdrums 28.02.2007 08:13 |
Very good point Lord Fickle, I agree. Yes, some songs would lend themselves to a programmed track, but a lot of the time there could have been real drums played when there weren't |
| carboengine 28.02.2007 11:07 |
Sebastian wrote: 'One Year Of Love': You're right 'Ride The Wild Wind' is completely programmed imo. Compare it with live versions. 'I Want It All' would be worth checking out with DTS tracks.Where are live versions of Ride The Wild Wind? |
| Wiley 28.02.2007 11:26 |
Roger sung it live during his Happiness tour but not on the one for Electric Fire, I believe. |
| Drummer imense! 28.02.2007 16:43 |
I thought some of the songs may have been electronically programed as they have that sound to them, but then again in the 80's it was quite popular to add an effect that eludes me for the moment, so i think it would have been quite possible to play in some cases. |
| Dagmara 02.03.2007 04:21 |
I have question where Roger use electric drums (Simmons) Queen and solo songs? |
| GreatKingSam 02.03.2007 05:00 |
Lord Fickle wrote: Surely the question should be, why use anything but 'real' drums, when you have a drummer of RT's quality in your band? This is one thing I hated about 80s Queen.I'm SO happy someone said that. I fucking love RT, and he's the main reason I started drumming... like you said, with a drummer of his quality, why program stuff? Minimum, let Rog play it on electric drums or something if you want a different sound. |
| john bodega 02.03.2007 07:10 |
Who knows. Maybe he got bored with their later output!! "I'm not drumming on that, especially not for 5 minutes". |
| Sebastian 02.03.2007 08:08 |
It's the same as programming bass lines instead of having John Deacon playing. |
| Joma 02.03.2007 10:26 |
I'm strongly convinced that there is more "real drumming" that we think. They did work hard on their tracks. One day one song was not the usual way for Queen. Even in the later years. |
| Lord Fickle 02.03.2007 12:19 |
Joma wrote: I'm strongly convinced that there is more "real drumming" that we think. They did work hard on their tracks. One day one song was not the usual way for Queen. Even in the later years.It's pretty obvious on Hot Space, The Works and AKOM that machines were used a lot - or at least it sounds like it, and I can't see the point of trying to make 'real' drums sound like a machine. |
| Joma 02.03.2007 15:46 |
Lord Fickle wrote:It was the trend. The sound of the time.Joma wrote: I'm strongly convinced that there is more "real drumming" that we think. They did work hard on their tracks. One day one song was not the usual way for Queen. Even in the later years.It's pretty obvious on Hot Space, The Works and AKOM that machines were used a lot - or at least it sounds like it, and I can't see the point of trying to make 'real' drums sound like a machine. By the way, I like the drumsound of the Hot Space era, especially the live-sound is my favourite drum-mix of Roger's. |