QueenZone discussion #963922
Mary Austin
| Queen-Obsessed 19.02.2007 23:05 |
Okay. So I just finished reading Mercury and Me (I got it this morning) and is it just me or does that book really make you hate Mary Austin? I feel like she betrayed Freddie by kicking everyone out. I realize it was legaly her house now but he wanted Joe, Jim, and Pheobe to stay so I think she should've honoured his wishes. Am I being to harsh? |
| Saif 19.02.2007 23:38 |
Yeah, we should go to his house and murder Mary...that honky-tonk woman! |
| Matias Merçeauroix 20.02.2007 00:20 |
This is what I think - 1 Day after Freddie's death - Jim: "Oh my God, Freddie's gone" Mary Austin: "Yeah, it's the worst thing that ever happened" *they cry* - 1 week after Freddie's death - Jim: "Oh my God, Freddie's gone" Mary Austin: "Yeah, it's so sad... BTW, don't you time it's time to go to your own house" Jim: "OOH FREDDIE, WHY DID YOU LEAVE US?!?!" *they cry" - 2 weeks after Freddie's death - Jim: "Oh my God, Freddie's gone" Mary Austin: "Yeah, and so is my food... stop eating my food!! Jim: "Hey, hold on, biatch, I can't get over Freddie's death yet" Mary Austin: "Yes, you're right" *they cry* - 1 month after Freddie's death - Jim: "Oh my God, Freddie's gone" Mary Austin: "Jim, I think it's time you leave my house..." Jim: "OOOOH DEAR FREDDIE!! WHY?!?!" Mary Austin: "GET THE FUCK OUTTA MY HOUSE, YOU FAG!!!" Jim: "Rite on, biatch! I'm gonna write a book and I'm gonna talk shite about you. YOU'LL SEE" Mary Austin: "Yeah, whateva. BYE!" *Shuts door* *starts to rain* Jim: "Yes, it's gonna be a great book BWHAHAHAHA" END :O |
| Sweetie 20.02.2007 03:06 |
Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: This is what I think - 1 Day after Freddie's death - Jim: "Oh my God, Freddie's gone" Mary Austin: "Yeah, it's the worst thing that ever happened" *they cry* - 1 week after Freddie's death - Jim: "Oh my God, Freddie's gone" Mary Austin: "Yeah, it's so sad... BTW, don't you time it's time to go to your own house" Jim: "OOH FREDDIE, WHY DID YOU LEAVE US?!?!" *they cry" - 2 weeks after Freddie's death - Jim: "Oh my God, Freddie's gone" Mary Austin: "Yeah, and so is my food... stop eating my food!! Jim: "Hey, hold on, biatch, I can't get over Freddie's death yet" Mary Austin: "Yes, you're right" *they cry* - 1 month after Freddie's death - Jim: "Oh my God, Freddie's gone" Mary Austin: "Jim, I think it's time you leave my house..." Jim: "OOOOH DEAR FREDDIE!! WHY?!?!" Mary Austin: "GET THE FUCK OUTTA MY HOUSE, YOU FAG!!!" Jim: "Rite on, biatch! I'm gonna write a book and I'm gonna talk shite about you. YOU'LL SEE" Mary Austin: "Yeah, whateva. BYE!" *Shuts door* *starts to rain* Jim: "Yes, it's gonna be a great book BWHAHAHAHA" END :Ohahaha Can I steal the book from you so I can form half an opinion...please? |
| Serry... 20.02.2007 04:34 |
He left the house to her - end of story. I wouldn't love either to share my house till the end of my days with lovers of my ex-girlfriend.... |
| Elizabeth Knightson 20.02.2007 05:45 |
I think that if Freddie and Mary remained so close friends (nearly lovers) even after 1974 (or so)and to the end of Freddie's life, Mary cannot be the horrible person you describe. |
| saltnvinegar 20.02.2007 05:59 |
I agree with Serry and Elizabeth. If she was so evil why did she get the lion's share of Freddie's estate? I haven't read Jim's book so I don't know the details about Freddie wanting those three guys to stay, was that in the will? |
| Freddies Delilah 20.02.2007 07:29 |
Well, I also haven't read the book (I've been trying desperately to get it though, for a cheap price), so it's difficult to give my whole opinion, but I think that Mary was always there when Freddie needed her, so it's only right that she gets what he left her. Sure, Freddie wanted those three guys to stay at Garden Lodge as long as they wanted, but it wasn't in writing and it was her property. It's difficult to say, though, because I wasn't there, I didn't see what happened, I don't know what Freddie said to Mary or Jim, so... *sigh* It's not totally fair to pass judgement when you don't know the whole story. So this was just my two cents - don't sue me for it ;-) |
| Bob-Plant 20.02.2007 07:44 |
Freddies Delilah wrote: Well, I also haven't read the book (I've been trying desperately to get it though, for a cheap price), so it's difficult to give my whole opinion, but I think that Mary was always there when Freddie needed her, so it's only right that she gets what he left her. Sure, Freddie wanted those three guys to stay at Garden Lodge as long as they wanted, but it wasn't in writing and it was her property. It's difficult to say, though, because I wasn't there, I didn't see what happened, I don't know what Freddie said to Mary or Jim, so... *sigh* It's not totally fair to pass judgement when you don't know the whole story. So this was just my two cents - don't sue me for it ;-)I read the book many years ago, but I think you've nailed it. None of us were there, only Freddie knows what his intentions for his inner circle were. Also, it's important to consider that the book was written by Jim Hutton-so everything is going to be skwered to his interpretation of events. That doesn't mean he is lying about anything, it's just that's there's always different versions anything that happens. |
| theCro 20.02.2007 07:46 |
someone please send me freddie's will here |
| Queenman!! 20.02.2007 08:21 |
Joe has left the house.... The guy is dead I believe.. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 20.02.2007 09:56 |
<font color=black>QUEEN OBSESSED wrote: Okay. So I just finished reading Mercury and Me (I got it this morning) and is it just me or does that book really make you hate Mary Austin?Sadly, that book has had that effect on a lot of people. However, when I finished reading it and considered how he bitched about Mary - a person Freddie said he trusted more than anyone - it made me wonder how skewed his facts were on everything else in the book. Dissing the closest friend of a person you supposedly loved shows a severe lack of objectivity and implies jealousy rather than truth and logic. If anything, I came away from that book disliking Jim and wondering if Freddie knew what a whiny bitch the guy really was. |
| Janet 20.02.2007 11:29 |
magicalfreddiemercury wrote:Couldn't have said it better myself!<font color=black>QUEEN OBSESSED wrote: Okay. So I just finished reading Mercury and Me (I got it this morning) and is it just me or does that book really make you hate Mary Austin?Sadly, that book has had that effect on a lot of people. However, when I finished reading it and considered how he bitched about Mary - a person Freddie said he trusted more than anyone - it made me wonder how skewed his facts were on everything else in the book. Dissing the closest friend of a person you supposedly loved shows a severe lack of objectivity and implies jealousy rather than truth and logic. If anything, I came away from that book disliking Jim and wondering if Freddie knew what a whiny bitch the guy really was. |
| Elizabeth Knightson 20.02.2007 13:04 |
For those interested in Freddie's will, I think it may be found on this site: link go the the "specials" section and you'll find it. Cheers |
| nemesis69 20.02.2007 13:45 |
In my opinion an individual does not deserve any credibility to me that removes a book and counts its privacies with Freddie (when Freddie was what but privacy loved. .)… Freddie I Need You… GABRIEL |
| .DeaconJohn. 20.02.2007 15:15 |
Considering what a private person Freddie was, I don't think he would have been happy with Jim or Peter Freestone's books. |
| Elizabeth Knightson 20.02.2007 15:19 |
I blame more people who buy those books. They pretend to love Freddie and they don't respect his privacy when they are tempted to have a look at it.... |
| .DeaconJohn. 20.02.2007 15:32 |
"they don't respect his privacy" - Says the person who just posted a link to Freddie's will. |
| Matias Merçeauroix 20.02.2007 15:37 |
.DeaconJohn. wrote: "they don't respect his privacy" - Says the person who just posted a link to Freddie's will.Freddie's will was for all (his friends, family, WHATEVA) to hear and read... writting a book about his PRIVACY it's NOT the same. |
| deleted user 20.02.2007 15:39 |
Isn't it about time someone wrote "Mary Austin eats children !!!" in all capitals ? I would, but the Caps Lock key just isn't being nice to me, so I think I'm going to neglect it for a while. Yeah... and I try not to judge people based on some one-sided opinion. I mean, I don't even judge those Jim and Peter people for the books they published... And since I'm feeling so angelic - everyone gets a cookie. ^__^ |
| Matias Merçeauroix 20.02.2007 15:44 |
DO IT JUDGE PEOPLE!! JOIN THE DARKSIDE!! BWHAHAHAHAHA MARY AUSTIN EATS CHILDREN!!! |
| nemesis69 20.02.2007 15:53 |
Those books and their writers (of writers nothing-leeches). .no loved Freddie a want their money… are sweepings therefore rots in hell… they mens pure excrement ..... GABRIEL ( BARCELONA ) |
| deleted user 20.02.2007 16:05 |
Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: MARY AUSTIN EATS CHILDREN!!!MY LIFE IS NOW COMPLETE AND I CAN PARTAKE OF THE ALL-CAPS AGAIN !!!! |
| skiqueen 20.02.2007 17:26 |
<font color=red>The Audacity of Charles wrote:I STILL WANT THAT COOKIE!!Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: MARY AUSTIN EATS CHILDREN!!!MY LIFE IS NOW COMPLETE AND I CAN PARTAKE OF THE ALL-CAPS AGAIN !!!! |
| brENsKi 20.02.2007 17:38 |
<font color=black>QUEEN OBSESSED wrote: Okay. So I just finished reading Mercury and Me (I got it this morning) and is it just me or does that book really make you hate Mary Austin? I feel like she betrayed Freddie by kicking everyone out. I realize it was legaly her house now but he wanted Joe, Jim, and Pheobe to stay so I think she should've honoured his wishes. Am I being to harsh?not this again....yes you are being harsh, grow up..get a fucking life |
| im going slightly mad 20.02.2007 22:11 |
i was under the impression that jim lived in the gatehouse after freddies death, an invite given to him by mary |
| Bohemian Rhapsodies 20.02.2007 22:43 |
I think people should keep in mind when reading either Jim's or Peter's books that these are biased accounts given by the people who wrote them. Neither of these guys were fond of Mary Austin, as evidenced by their writings. I think there may have been a bit of jealousy going on as well. David Evans, who helped Peter Freestone with his book also appeared to have a bone to pick with Mary. He also mentions her in a very negative way in another book he wrote. Every one of these people have tried to diminish the relationship Mary had with Freddie and paint her as nothing more than a hanger-on who should have let go years earlier. In my opinion, Freddie's will spoke volumes and told another story when he left almost everything to her. |
| luthorn 20.02.2007 22:55 |
Mary is a down to earth person, so she takes no bull from anybody and sees thru things fast. No wonder she was close to Freddie as she was the only true to him and did not blow smoke up his ass like everybody else. |
| Sweetie 20.02.2007 22:59 |
A Wave Of Babies, A Wave of Babies, Gonna Get You Now |
| Queen-Obsessed 20.02.2007 23:38 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:Thanks to all for their opinions I took them all into account and maybe I was being hasty and I agree on many points to you however Brenski I say IT WAS A SIMPLE QUESTION YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE RUDE!<font color=black>QUEEN OBSESSED wrote: Okay. So I just finished reading Mercury and Me (I got it this morning) and is it just me or does that book really make you hate Mary Austin? I feel like she betrayed Freddie by kicking everyone out. I realize it was legaly her house now but he wanted Joe, Jim, and Pheobe to stay so I think she should've honoured his wishes. Am I being to harsh?not this again....yes you are being harsh, grow up..get a fucking life |
| rosedewitt 21.02.2007 02:32 |
i read the book and i also think you can't ignore that jim doesn't like mary very much, maybe also a kind of rivalry, she's his boyfriends ex-lover. i think if freddie really cared that jim and phoebe and joe stayed in his house as long as they wanted, he would have make that clear in his last will. but he wanted mary to have the garden lodge, - and he has bought jim an own house. so what's jims problem!? |
| Elizabeth Knightson 21.02.2007 04:49 |
Hey DeaconJohn, who told I read that will? Sorry to disappoint you, I haven't read it. Queen Headquarters is a good German website on Queen, on of my favorite, I fully visited it, that's why I knew some Freddie documents were there. For those who want to read from Mary Austin: I think she helped writing the book "Killer Queen" (about Mick Rock awesome work), I guess she must be talking about Freddie. here's a link to the book store: link There are some quotes on this sites. But I guess that as it is about the 70's, you won't find anything about her point of view on Hutton |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 21.02.2007 09:27 |
Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: MARY AUSTIN EATS CHILDREN!!!LMAO. xD |
| brENsKi 21.02.2007 14:17 |
<font color=black>QUEEN OBSESSED wrote:yes it was a simple question...and it's been brought up on here countless times before<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:Thanks to all for their opinions I took them all into account and maybe I was being hasty and I agree on many points to you however Brenski I say IT WAS A SIMPLE QUESTION YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE RUDE!<font color=black>QUEEN OBSESSED wrote: Okay. So I just finished reading Mercury and Me (I got it this morning) and is it just me or does that book really make you hate Mary Austin? I feel like she betrayed Freddie by kicking everyone out. I realize it was legaly her house now but he wanted Joe, Jim, and Pheobe to stay so I think she should've honoured his wishes. Am I being to harsh?not this again....yes you are being harsh, grow up..get a fucking life try searching (google is a good app to use) |
| deleted user 21.02.2007 15:23 |
skiqueen wrote:TOO LATE, I ALREADY DEVOURED IT !!!<font color=red>The Audacity of Charles wrote:I STILL WANT THAT COOKIE!!Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: MARY AUSTIN EATS CHILDREN!!!MY LIFE IS NOW COMPLETE AND I CAN PARTAKE OF THE ALL-CAPS AGAIN !!!! |
| Poo, again 21.02.2007 16:38 |
<font color=red>The Audacity of Charles wrote:OMFG111111111111112111skiqueen wrote:TOO LATE, I ALREADY DEVOURED IT !!!<font color=red>The Audacity of Charles wrote:I STILL WANT THAT COOKIE!!Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: MARY AUSTIN EATS CHILDREN!!!MY LIFE IS NOW COMPLETE AND I CAN PARTAKE OF THE ALL-CAPS AGAIN !!!! |
| skiqueen 21.02.2007 21:54 |
<font color=red>The Audacity of Charles wrote:skiqueen wrote:TOO LATE, I ALREADY DEVOURED IT !!!<font color=red>The Audacity of Charles wrote:I STILL WANT THAT COOKIE!!Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: MARY AUSTIN EATS CHILDREN!!!MY LIFE IS NOW COMPLETE AND I CAN PARTAKE OF THE ALL-CAPS AGAIN !!!! |
| skiqueen 21.02.2007 21:59 |
skiqueen wrote:<font color=red>The Audacity of Charles wrote:this is why i never really liked the cookie monster. humph.skiqueen wrote:TOO LATE, I ALREADY DEVOURED IT !!!<font color=red>The Audacity of Charles wrote:I STILL WANT THAT COOKIE!!Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: MARY AUSTIN EATS CHILDREN!!!MY LIFE IS NOW COMPLETE AND I CAN PARTAKE OF THE ALL-CAPS AGAIN !!!! |
| Sweetie 22.02.2007 00:11 |
I stand by my previous comment |
| VanP 01.01.2019 17:07 |
not at all. the book was very biased. Freddie was very clear to Jim Hutton and everyone else that he was leaving everything to Mary. She had been with him for 22 years, for better and for worse. Days before Freddie died, Jim asked him about the house, and was told that they would have to work that out themselves. Jim was not left broke. Freddie left him the equivalent of 1.4 million American dollars today. ($500 British pounds adjusted by inflation). Yet, he complained about being homeless. Freddie also paid his home off in Ireland. In the book, Jim mentions that Mary opposed many of Freddie's large purchases for Jim as well as his wages for gardening. This shows the level of trust Freddie had in Mary. Jim and Freddie had a six year relationship. Until the last year or so, the relationship was extremely volatile, with Jim moving in and out and Freddie cheating. also, another thing to ponder is that Mary had one small child, and another child due at the time. If she moved in her new home, would she want Freddie's friends still drinking and partying there while she was raising a family? lastly, Freddie knew he was going to die in 1987 (at the very least). He prepared his will, and left Jim Beach to execute it the way he wanted it. He knew exactly what he was doing. He said publicly that if anything ever happened to him, he would leave everything to Mary. I feel sorry for Jim Hutton that he lost his great love, but I do not feel sorry for Jim that Freddie left him only $1.4 million dollars (today's equivalent),and a home that was paid for. That isn't exactly thrown in the streets and homeless. |
| kosimodo 01.01.2019 17:28 |
Huh? |
| Blackvy 01.01.2019 17:57 |
VanP wrote: not at all. the book was very biased. Freddie was very clear to Jim Hutton and everyone else that he was leaving everything to Mary. She had been with him for 22 years, for better and for worse. Days before Freddie died, Jim asked him about the house, and was told that they would have to work that out themselves. Jim was not left broke. Freddie left him the equivalent of 1.4 million American dollars today. ($500 British pounds adjusted by inflation). Yet, he complained about being homeless. Freddie also paid his home off in Ireland. In the book, Jim mentions that Mary opposed many of Freddie's large purchases for Jim as well as his wages for gardening. This shows the level of trust Freddie had in Mary. Jim and Freddie had a six year relationship. Until the last year or so, the relationship was extremely volatile, with Jim moving in and out and Freddie cheating. also, another thing to ponder is that Mary had one small child, and another child due at the time. If she moved in her new home, would she want Freddie's friends still drinking and partying there while she was raising a family? lastly, Freddie knew he was going to die in 1987 (at the very least). He prepared his will, and left Jim Beach to execute it the way he wanted it. He knew exactly what he was doing. He said publicly that if anything ever happened to him, he would leave everything to Mary. I feel sorry for Jim Hutton that he lost his great love, but I do not feel sorry for Jim that Freddie left him only $1.4 million dollars (today's equivalent),and a home that was paid for. That isn't exactly thrown in the streets and homeless.Well said. |
| Pim Derks 01.01.2019 18:15 |
Freddy did not cheat on Jim, he was a Saint. |
| spiralstatic 02.01.2019 09:07 |
With Jim and Mary we will never know the full story. What I do know is Freddie trusted Mary and left her the house and in the nearly 30 years since Freddie's death and the - what - 50 years since she met him, she's never betrayed his confidence and she's never given any interview that discusses matters Freddie wouldn't have wanted to be public. We don't know much about her as a person because she's never done these things, but I think these facts and obviously that Freddie spoke numerous times of how important she was to him and left her almost everything speak volumes. Freddie was a very private man and it has been some years since I read Mercury and Me now, but what I remember most about it is that I knew, even at the young age I was when I read this book that some of the things Jim spoke of, truth aside, Freddie would definitely not have wanted anyone to ever know. Worst of all, Jim spoke of Freddie's final moments - the most intimate thing of all to reveal. To me that Jim would do this shows Freddie was right in not trusting Jim as much as Mary. I'm happy Freddie found peace and love with Jim in the last years of his life, but that Jim could reveal some of the things he does in his book and indeed have such things to say about Freddie's closest friend makes me question the depth of Jim's love. Of course I can understand why Freddie's lovers wouldn't get on with Mary. I don't know her full personality, but anyone who is not only an ex, but it seems Freddie's first proper relationship and the person he is closest to in the world - all of these things remaining close to Freddie and in some ways I guess closer than they could ever get. There must be envy in there. And as I see it, here lie a lot of the problems Freddie must have faced with friends. Reading shorter accounts by people who knew him - sometimes speak of things like knowing they'd have to step away from their friendship because the power of Freddie's ambition and talent and where he was headed with his career was like some physical force - such that somehow, without Freddie intending it, they'd be destroyed by him if they stayed too close. But the real impression I get was that even some of Freddie's closest friends must have in some way also coveted him like some precious jewel that in his friendship, they possessed. I explain it terribly. But my point is that even with some of those he was pretty close to there must have been jealousies and sycophancies and ways people related to Freddie and things they desired from him that are not part of a normal friendship and you hope are not part of friendship ever. And those accounts of people who, say were close to Freddie in the 70's, then were not for a decade. Well, Mary never stepped away. She was always there for Freddie and he allowed this. I think it speaks a lot about both Mary and Freddie. It is hard in this kind of talk to not be overly critical of course. I hate the idea of "Mary is an angel, Jim is awful." or "Jim was Freddie's true love and Mary was evil and cruel." The truth is obviously no person is perfect and Freddie had deep love for both as they were both important to him. I don't question Freddie's love for Jim at all. It is only that some of the things he revealed about Freddie in his book (& probably that he wrote a book at all to be honest) make me question whether Freddie was right to trust him. But who knows how much he did trust him. Love is uncontrollable, all else aside anyway. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 02.01.2019 17:57 |
I've heard that the house is owned by the estate of Freddie and she has it for 50 years- is that true? We have to remember he didn't think Jim would live very long. Had he left the house to him, who knows what would have happened in probate |
| philip storey 12.02.2019 15:46 |
I would say after reading Jim's book that Mary was always a bit fake and a bitch.For a start where was she when Freddie was bed bound ,needing bed changes ,toileting and nursing day to day.That was all left to Jim,Peter and Joe.She was a bit of a groupie,hanger on Freddie could not commit to her sexually.To be left the Garden Lodge all the money and royalties was insane and she still receives royalties now.Wonder how Brian and Roger and John feel about that.Then she throws the five out after one month and so on.I think Jim had every reason to dislike her and if you read the book it makes you very sad for Jim. |
| Kuijpy 12.02.2019 16:10 |
I dont like Mary Austin, feels like a golddigger, but when I say this, everybody will cry about it. What does a normal person, when they got dumped by their loved ones.. They go on with their own life, but she smells the money of Freddie But hey, that's just me ;) |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 12.02.2019 17:37 |
It does make one wonder about the whole situation of Mary not helping with Freddie's care. Even during that horrible episode after the seizure she didn't bother going over until late morning and stayed for 30 minutes. I think she got the house because she's the one who picked it out and oversaw the renovations while he was touring. He also probably assumed Jim wouldn't live long and who knows what would have happened to the house if Jim had died? |
| ForFreddie 12.02.2019 22:01 |
Kuijpy....it's not just you, I've always had the same feelings regarding Mary. |
| ForFreddie 12.02.2019 22:05 |
Sweetandtenderhooligan....I could add more to what you posted, but, I've given my opinions on the subject of Mary, not so nicely, either and, some people don't like hearing what I think....lol....not that I care what others think, but, at some point, it becomes redundant. |
| FunLovinCriminal 12.02.2019 23:08 |
Mary Austin made herself available as Freddie's alibi-girlfriend for a long time after they had split up. She must have been doing pretty well pretending to be someone she wasn't, otherwise Mercury wouldn't have used her. He was living a false life, at least partially and he invited her to live it with him. She might have kept going that route when the great pretender left for his final tour... |
| Mark_Glasgow 13.02.2019 13:24 |
The comment about Mary not helping with Freddies care when he was ill, thats what Peter and Joe were paid to do surely? Mary was probably busy bringing up her own family so wouldn't have had time to be at his beck and call every day and night. Freddie knew he was dying for year and had plenty of time to change his will. He didn't so he got what he wanted and Mary got what was legally hers. The fact that Freddies staff got very little is pretty irrelevant. I would say its normal to leave what you have to those you love and not the staff who run your business. As for Jims book, he got what Freddie thinks he deserved, he's not the first person to feel hard done by over a will, he wont be the last. Why would Mary want him floating around her house after Freddie was gone? If Freddie wanted his house staff to live there as long as possible, it would have been in his will. Jim was entitled to write a book from his perspective and entitled to what he got from Freddie in the will. That's all he was entitled to. Welcome to the harsh realities of life. Not having a go at Jim, he seemed like a nice genuine guy, Mary also seems genuine. I don't see how anyone can criticise either based on Freddies will to be honest, Freddie was supposedly an intellectual guy, so would have known the mess he was leaving behind by not changing his will if that's what he wanted and he was that worried about all of them. Seems obvious where his loyalty sat. |
| Vocal harmony 13.02.2019 17:47 |
philip storey wrote: I would say after reading Jim's book that Mary was always a bit fake and a bitch. . . . . To be left the Garden Lodge all the money and royalties was insane and she still receives royalties now.Wonder how Brian and Roger and John feel about that.? . . . . . . . . , . . . . .I think Jim had every reason to dislike her and if you read the book it makes you very sad for Jim.I think what your missing is that Mary remained a loyal friend to Freddie Jim's book while being an interesting read gives only his side of the story and just maybe he never got on with her, who really knows. It's clear that he thought he should have been given more than he was, but why. He was in Freddie's life for a lot shorter time than Mary. As far as Brian, Roger and John are concerned why would they be bothered or worried about who was named in Freddies's will. They're each worth millions as it is. The money that is still made in Freddie's name wouldn't be theirs if he was still alive and it was clearly up to Freddie were that money goes and indeed his estate in general. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 13.02.2019 17:59 |
Even if I had kids or was pregnant, I would be there for my friend who was dying. She wasn't and only she knows why. |
| LilMal 13.02.2019 18:28 |
excerpt, " Mercury & Me" : J. Hutton : "When I opted to stay away from administering Freddie's medication I thought it was for the best, and perhaps in many ways it was. But if Freddie and I lived our time again, I would get much more involved and want to know everything." "‘I didn't feel, ‘Oh I've got to wait a year after Freddie's died before I can start playing the field again..." ( interview with J. Hutton in 1994, Caroline Phillips, Evening Standard ). |
| Invisible Woman 13.02.2019 18:52 |
Is this some kind a competition "Who took more care of Freddie? Mary or Jim"? These are serious things. Would you so easily dare to give someone injections, transfusions, etc.? In some situations it's easier for someone who is not so close with patient (such as a partner) to do it. I don't know how much Jim had lovers and partners after Freddie and I don't care. It doesn't diminish the love he had for Freddie. Jim had to continue life as much as he could. |
| spiralstatic 13.02.2019 19:21 |
OK, I think it is going too far suggesting either Mary or Jim loved Freddie more if they'd administered personal care and/or medications. They both clearly WERE there for him when he needed them - in life and when he was dying. If one of them had said "Right, I just can't do this - I'm flying to Australia for a year and am going to pretend it isn't happening." well then you can criticise... yet, even then - how many of you have had to watch someone you deeply love become a shadow of their former self while dying. It is not easy. And you can understand if a person could not cope. In terms of personal care and medication AND EVEN BEING THERE AT ALL, you also not only have to think about who was willing or able to do it. You have to think who Freddie wanted to do it and who Freddie wanted to be there. Sometimes those who are ill or dying would rather even their closest loved ones not see them. But WAY more importantly and commonly they may not wish anyone at all to be involved in attending to whatever needs they may have. Would you want every one of your close friends attending to personal matters you once had no need for any help in? Put yourself in Freddie's place. It might be in fact important to a person to have some people who are separate to that, perhaps who they can talk to in a different way or with whom they can more readily keep the feeling that things are as they always were for as long as possible. You may very well want one/some of the people you could just be as much you with to be those people closest to you. Oh, it is very hard to explain and I could say a lot more, but to be quite frank I don't want to imagine it all for Freddie, or relive any of my own experiences any further than this. And in all of this we only have this person's word and that person's word: he said, she said. Even thinking about someone as super-lovely and whose word I respect completely such as Peter Freestone - we all see every event from a different perspective - our own and that is not the pure truth. And none of us were there to know the pure truth. I think it is perfectly fine to prefer Jim or prefer Mary and you can reason however you wish or take whatever information for your conclusions, but you must acknowledge that neither were perfect - both have flaws (as did Freddie himself) and both were important to Freddie and he loved them. And in terms of who *got* what, that is down to cold hard words and what was written in Freddie's will and that's all there is to that. We will never know Freddie's reasoning for what he left to who. We only know what he left. And it is no-one's place to say that was wrong. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 13.02.2019 19:55 |
LilMal: Did you make an account just to talk shit about Jim? How sad |
| Holly2003 13.02.2019 20:23 |
I hear Freddie made some music. Does anyone have any further info on this? |
| Virgoan2019 15.02.2019 14:07 |
So much hate on here and people being judgmental about Freddie's nearest and dearest - makes me sad ;-( What to any of us really know? Can't we just celebrate the great band and amazing singer that we all love x |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 15.02.2019 17:15 |
Pim, are you joking? Freddie cheated on Jim quite a few times until Jim put a stop to it. Freddie wasn't a saint. No one is. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 15.02.2019 17:15 |
Did I just respond to a really old comment? Oh god, this board is messed up. Sorry! |
| Cocacoapeach 10.03.2019 14:39 |
I have read through all the comments and it leaves me with these poignant thoughts. None of us were within Freddie's inner circle, therefore we know not what went on behind closed doors. One must think that at the time, there were a lot of people grieving and having mixed emotions. That is all part of the stages of grief. As for Jim's character or Mary's, we cannot go by what people say tit for tat, as we'll never know unless we personally sit down with them and ask them, but sadly, Jim is not around and Mary is not one to divulge too much to us. Another thing, many of you claimed she didn't work, etc. Not true. She was made a member of the management. Freddie himself asked her to stay on. She chose to remain as his friend for those life-long years. That says a lot about how much Freddie loved her. And to add validity to that comments-there is evidence by Freddie himself in interviews, etc, that he loved her and off to another digression... There is evidence he loved Jim also, but he stated many times over, that Mary would be burdened by the home. He knew what would happen. He knew all of this. As he penned his will out, did he not foresee all of the drama? I liken to fathom, that yes, indeed so, he certainly did. Wills and death make people into things that they are not. But it also reveals people's true nature. Notwithstanding as I know not Mary nor Jim or anyone else within the circle, I can attest that I can only base my judgment on that of Freddie's words over and over. How "none of his lovers could measure up to Mary." How they had a "common law marriage", and what not as I paraphrased it out. All I know, and all I care, is that I adore Queen and I loved/love Freddie. I was born in 1976, so my entire life I heard Queen on the Radio. I also saw the band through the good, the bad, and the ugly parts of it. I saw AIDS take away Freddie Mercury and his becoming a fragile shell of the man he once was. The Saddest video I ever watched and still think so is "These Are The Days Of Our Lives". Especially the ending. I cannot explain in more simpler terms that "We don't know what went on behind closed doors" nor shall we ever. If we believed everything that people told us, then "the world is flat", we come from "aliens", etc. No validity whatsoever. My dears, I leave you with this final wording, "Better one truth, than a thousand lies", Darling, look within yourselves, and there is the truth. |
| Cocacoapeach 10.03.2019 15:14 |
I am going to post the most logical and poignant reasoning. We personally don't know what has gone on behind the closed doors. Unless we personally sit down with either Mary or Jim; who sadly isn't with us and ask them personally to explain everything to us, we may never fully comprehend what really went down after Freddie died. We are only going on tit for tat gossip and the words of one versus another but without both of them to justify their actions without them being both present to get their full story we may never know. We cannot make a judgment on someone's word against another. I prefer to base mine on character and truths. I do know as a fan of the band, that multiple times, Freddie made references to how his lovers could never "measure up to Mary", or "that she's the only one I trust", etc. That said, think upon those statements for a moment. I also know personally that death and wills are a tricky thing. That after somebody dies, the sometimes "true nature" of people comes out. That said I am not saying anything about Mary or Jim, but I am saying that a tell-all book, etc. doesn't seem to be that great in the taste of the person you loved. I mean if it were I, I'd tell of the wonderful times I spent with someone and leave it like that. I wouldn't divulge too much info of the most personal because to me, that is private and the world should not be privy to every detail of mine and my loves lives. But then again, myself, I am pretty mundane. And as a Freddie fan, I know the man was pretty Private. Another thing to bear in mind is that we will never know what happened inside Freddie's inner circle unless we lived it personally. We are not Joe, Jim, Mary, etc. We don't know their thoughts or rationale. All I can attest is that I've been a Queen fan all my life. I was born in 1976 and have seen the band through the good, the bad, and the ugly. One of the saddest memories was watching Freddie waste away from AIDS and watching the last video he made; "These Are The Days Of Our Lives" and crying and watching it in shock and disbelief that this was the same man from Live Aid years before. I am sure that as Freddie wrote out his will, he explained to the benefactors of the will, his decisions for what. I am positive he mentioned it to them at least several times. And as stated prior, I am positive if he wanted them to continue on in the home, he would have made those provisions. But he made other provisions. Provisions of financial security. I think that the amounts he left the others were more than fair. It was stated before that they were treated awful, do we actually know? No, and besides that, grief goes through many stages, so in that, we have to remember that they all were grieving a great loss. My unbiased opinion is this...until we sit down with all sides and truly have a tete-a-tete with them, we will never truly know. And lastly...the best piece of advice..."Better one truth than a thousand lies" because of that dears, the truth lies within ourselves, darling. |
| FreddieDearie 18.08.2020 19:54 |
Sweetandtenderhooligan wrote: I've heard that the house is owned by the estate of Freddie and she has it for 50 years- is that true? We have to remember he didn't think Jim would live very long. Had he left the house to him, who knows what would have happened in probate |
| FreddieDearie 18.08.2020 19:55 |
Sweetandtenderhooligan wrote: I've heard that the house is owned by the estate of Freddie and she has it for 50 years- is that true? We have to remember he didn't think Jim would live very long. Had he left the house to him, who knows what would have happened in probate1) No, the house, the Mews and all his personal possessions were completely bequeathed to Mary. 2) No, Freddie’s will was written up on August 5, 1991. It was Signed Sept 17, 1991. Freddie was not told of Hutton’s diagnosis until Nov. 5. 1991 For all Freddie knew at the time he wrote up and signed his willHutton was healthy. Freddie never intended for Hutton to have anything to do with Garden Lodge. Anyone who believes Freddie would’ve expected a heavily pregnant woman, (And a risky pregnancy at her age) with a toddler, and a baby daddy she was in the process of breaking up with... .. to adopt 3 middle aged men, 2 of them his ex-lovers, continuing to pay all their financial expenses and employing them despite having no need for them... Is FREAKISHLY irrational. It an OBVIOUSLY lie that was told. Even Phoebe hedges his words when he talks about it and say that Freddie allowed them to “hold the expectation ” that could leave the house when they were “good and ready”. So in other words, HE PERSONALLY never heard Freddie make that promise. He was told that by someone else, likely Hutton. Even HUTTON doesn’t claim to have heard Freddie make this supposed promise. Only that Freddie used the term “our home”. Of course, Phoebe says that he referred to the house as “our home” to Phoebe too. Self-evidently that is reference to the fact they were currently living under the same room, not some implied co-ownership. |
| FreddieDearie 18.08.2020 20:02 |
Kuijpy wrote: I dont like Mary Austin, feels like a golddigger, but when I say this, everybody will cry about it. What does a normal person, when they got dumped by their loved ones.. They go on with their own life, but she smells the money of Freddie But hey, that's just me ;)“Feels like a goldigger”? Really? Well if you “feel” it. :rolleyes: People will cry about it because it’s a lie. Mary literally financially supported Freddie until 1976 when he finally started to make some money from their renegotiated contracts and “Bohemian Rhapsody” She then became an officer of his companies and literally ran his companies and personal finances for him. Freddie himself said she did so much for him that all he had left to do was “throw my carcass around the stage”. |
| FreddieDearie 18.08.2020 20:03 |
Invisible Woman wrote: Is this some kind a competition "Who took more care of Freddie? Mary or Jim"? These are serious things. Would you so easily dare to give someone injections, transfusions, etc.? In some situations it's easier for someone who is not so close with patient (such as a partner) to do it. I don't know how much Jim had lovers and partners after Freddie and I don't care. It doesn't diminish the love he had for Freddie. Jim had to continue life as much as he could.The “the competition” stems from people claiming Hutton nursed Freddie until the end when, in fact, he did not. It’s a correction of disinformation. |
| CHEVYMAN 19.08.2020 00:19 |
Wow! This subject always creates fighting!!! |
| CHEVYMAN 19.08.2020 03:22 |
I can’t hold my tongue any longer she was a heartless bitch she didn’t care if Freddie was happy. It was all about her. She couldn’t even say the word gay. She hated the garden lodge occupants. Before Jim left he should of shit on her porch. That’s what she deserved. |
| FreddieDearie 19.08.2020 05:08 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: I can’t hold my tongue any longer she was a heartless bitch she didn’t care if Freddie was happy. It was all about her. She couldn’t even say the word gay. She hated the garden lodge occupants. Before Jim left he should of shit on her porch. That’s what she deserved.You’re ignorant of the matter. Freddie has described her as the opposite. She could say the word gay, she just couldn't decide whether to sat gay or homosexual . She didn't hate the occupants, the occupants hated and we're jealous of her. And if she DID hate them, perhaps, just perhaps there were good reasons for it. You can't name one thing she wrong that did that Hitton didn't lie about. |
| FreddieDearie 19.08.2020 05:09 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: I can’t hold my tongue any longer she was a heartless bitch she didn’t care if Freddie was happy. It was all about her. She couldn’t even say the word gay. She hated the garden lodge occupants. Before Jim left he should of shit on her porch. That’s what she deserved.I can't hold my tongue. What is it with bisexual women and internalized misogyny? Very prevalent and ironic. |
| CHEVYMAN 19.08.2020 05:58 |
Bisexual women are hot at least I am!!!!!!!! |
| FreddieDearie 19.08.2020 16:54 |
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| FreddieDearie 19.08.2020 16:55 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Bisexual women are hot at least I am!!!!!!!!Glad you think so. |
| CHEVYMAN 20.08.2020 01:43 |
I’m so glad you like my pics I would love to see some of you ???????????I like it all honey!!!!!!!!! |
| CHEVYMAN 20.08.2020 01:46 |
I bet you are fucking hot how about a little boob pic huh just a little so I can see who I’m talking too!!!!!!!!!!i bet you can be a rounchy bitch if you want too lol!!!!!!!!! |
| Saint Jiub 20.08.2020 02:22 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: I’m so glad you like my pics I would love to see some of you ???????????I like it all honey!!!!!!!!! |
| Saint Jiub 20.08.2020 02:22 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: I bet you are fucking hot how about a little boob pic huh just a little so I can see who I’m talking too!!!!!!!!!!i bet you can be a rounchy bitch if you want too lol!!!!!!!!! |
| FreddieDearie 20.08.2020 03:55 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: I’m so glad you like my pics I would love to see some of you ???????????I like it all honey!!!!!!!!!Where did I say I liked them? |
| CHEVYMAN 20.08.2020 09:01 |
Well you posted them hot stuff let me see a pic of you how old are you????????how did you know my name and who I was? |
| MamaQueen 20.08.2020 15:11 |
With all the money Freddie had, why did Jim or Freestone have to give personal care to Freddie? Didn't he have a nurse 24/7 to administer meds., caretakers to change him, wash him? Be there for him, hold his hand, tell him they loved him, yes, but take him to the bathroom and risk him having a fall? Something here doesn't make sense. I think I went off subject. But going back to Mary, she never said a thing about Freddie's friends or written a book, I respect that. But, of course, I like to know about Freddie, but not in such details as people say Jim wrote in the book. I say, people say, because I have never read the book and I won't. |
| CHEVYMAN 20.08.2020 16:03 |
I’m kidding with you guys the only hot one. On QZ is Thor and he is Gay but I can still say he is hot at his age just like people say Freddie is hot. Nothing wrong with looking at the merchandise. Older men with silver hair are so handsome lol. Intelligent men man as well. I do think you guys are wrong about them writing their book and I’m gonna laugh my ass off. Everybody thinks it’s gonna be a nasty pic book do you honestly think they would put pics of themselves naked in a book for the world to see. I don’t think so. I think those are private as anyone’s would be I know my intimate pics are.Its just a memory book that’s it no damn big deal no invasion of privacy. Go ahead and admit people are pissed because there are no women in it. There aren’t cause everybody including the dog is gay okay get over it. You get to look at some hot men.Get excited maybe some of them are wearing those little bathing suits that barely cover their junk lol. That will be a delight. |
| FreddieDearie 20.08.2020 20:53 |
MamaQueen wrote: With all the money Freddie had, why did Jim or Freestone have to give personal care to Freddie? Didn't he have a nurse 24/7 to administer meds., caretakers to change him, wash him? Be there for him, hold his hand, tell him they loved him, yes, but take him to the bathroom and risk him having a fall? Something here doesn't make sense. I think I went off subject. But going back to Mary, she never said a thing about Freddie's friends or written a book, I respect that. But, of course, I like to know about Freddie, but not in such details as people say Jim wrote in the book. I say, people say, because I have never read the book and I won't.Well I can understand since he didn't want news to get out that he had AIDS why he’d resist having nurses come in and out. But it seems to me he could've hired a live-in nurse and had them sign an NDA. But I agree there's lots of little bits of loose ends that dont quite add up and when you pull on the thread, it starts to unravel. Problem is, so people are so desperate to maintain a fantasy narrative, they refuse to pull on the thread and attack anyone who does as ”haters” and ”homophobes”. |
| FreddieDearie 20.08.2020 21:02 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: I’m kidding with you guys the only hot one. On QZ is Thor and he is Gay but I can still say he is hot at his age just like people say Freddie is hot. Nothing wrong with looking at the merchandise. Older men with silver hair are so handsome lol. Intelligent men man as well. I do think you guys are wrong about them writing their book and I’m gonna laugh my ass off. Everybody thinks it’s gonna be a nasty pic book do you honestly think they would put pics of themselves naked in a book for the world to see. I don’t think so. I think those are private as anyone’s would be I know my intimate pics are.Its just a memory book that’s it no damn big deal no invasion of privacy. Go ahead and admit people are pissed because there are no women in it. There aren’t cause everybody including the dog is gay okay get over it. You get to look at some hot men.Get excited maybe some of them are wearing those little bathing suits that barely cover their junk lol. That will be a delight.NOT ONE PERSON SAID THEY THINK ITS GONNA BE A NASTY PIC BOOK. Who the fuck cares of there are women in it or not. WTF are you talking about? No one cares that they’re gay. Has nothing to do with the objections. Beautiful pictures of beautiful men or not, it's still a betrayal to Freddie to be making money off his private moments. I read this account by Wayne Sleep where he says when people asked to take pictures of themselves with Freddie with a poloroid camera, he would have them take numerous pictures and then APPROVE themonemthey could keep and then pocket the rest so the person couldn't have them. He CARED about what got put out there of him and SELLING AND PUBLISHING intimate private pictures (having nothing to do with sex, just private moments) IS A BETRAYAL. And if you gave a damn about Freddie instead of your own selfish wants and needs, you’d feel the same way. |
| FreddieDearie 20.08.2020 21:30 |
Matias Merçeauroix wrote: This is what I think - 1 Day after Freddie's death...This is what I KNOW - 1 Day after Freddie's death - Jim: "Oh my God, Freddie's gone" Mary Austin: "Yeah, it's the worst thing that ever happened" *they cry* - 1 week after Freddie's death - Jim: "WHOO WHOOO Freddie’s gone let's have a party!" Mary Austin: BTW, the probate court requires the house be empty as probate is processed so you’ll need to move only steps away into the Mews.” Jim: "OOH FREDDIE, WHY DIDN’T YOU GIVE ME ALL YOUR MONEY LIKE I PLANNED???" *Hutton cries cry" - 2 weeks after Freddie's death - Jim: "Oh my God, this beautiful apartment with a jacuzzi is such a hardship for me!" Mary Austin: "BTW, the law requires I give you 3 months notice to leave, so here’s your notice. Jim: "Hey, hold on, biatch, I can't get over Freddie's death yet" Mary Austin: Neither can I, but this is what Freddie wanted. *Hutton punches a wall in anger* - 1 month after Freddie's death - Jim: "Oh my God, why didn't Freddiemgive me more money?" JimBeach: "No, Freddie did n't want you to have more money..." Jim: "OOOOH FREDDIE!! WHY?!?!" Mary Austin: "Because it's what he wanted!!!" Jim: "Rite on, biatch! I'm gonna write a book and I'm gonna talk shite about you. YOU'LL SEE" Mary Austin: Exactly why Freddie never trusted you. -3 months after Freddie’s death Jim: [crying] Oh Freddie, why didn't you let me keep Garden Lodge?” Mary: Freddie had his reasons. *leaves Jim alone to pack up and leave* Jim: :evil laugh: ”Come one Shaun, let's load everything we can grab in the back of the truck. Forget anything meaningful, find Queen memorabilia so we can sell it later on” :steals Mary’s property, tires screeching as they leave: -When missing items are discovered Jim Beach: ”should we call the police?” Mary: ”No let it go. I don't want to cause any more scandal around Freddie’s legacy. Karma will take care of Hutton.” -For a full year after Freddies death :Hutton stalks Mary at Garden Lodge. Stands outside the house 3-4 times a week. Calling the cats until they can't be bothered with him either: - When karma comes calling :Hutton goes bankrupt, wasting and losing £500,000: :Hutton does a painful death from lung cancer: Karma was Hutton’s REAL bitch. END *Not much of a dramatization *All this is ESSENTIALLY true |
| FreddieDearie 20.08.2020 21:47 |
Queen-Obsessed wrote: Okay. I realize it was legaly her house now but he wanted Joe, Jim, and Pheobe to stay so I think she should've honoured his wishes. Am I being to harsh?He didn't want Joe, Jim or Phoebe to stay. That was one of many lies Hutton told. Seriously? You think Freddie wanted or expected Mary, who was running his businesses for him, keeping him financially afloatmso he could afford his AIDS treatment, and who was heavily pregnant, had to care for a toddler and was going through shit with her baby daddy, and who would CONTINUE to be an officer of his companies... ... to adopt and financial support 3 middle aged men for as long as they felt like hanging around? Are you put of your mind? You really bought into that, obvious bullshit lie??? |
| The Real Mary Austin 21.08.2020 21:22 |
Fear not, I commeth to tell you the truth. Thy shall not condem anyone. We were and still are all in this together. Spread love, be as gayeth and as colourful as thy can be. If you still have that sinking feeling, cometh over to the bottom of Kensington High Street. We'll find a way to worketh it out. Loveth for one another. |
| FreddieDearie 21.08.2020 21:46 |
Queen-Obsessed wrote: Okay. I realize it was legaly her house now but he wanted Joe, Jim, and Pheobe to stay so I think she should've honoured his wishes. Am I being to harsh?He didn't want Joe, Jim or Phoebe to stay. That was one of many lies Hutton told. Seriously? You think Freddie wanted or expected Mary, who was running his businesses for him, keeping him financially afloatmso he could afford his AIDS treatment, and who was heavily pregnant, had to care for a toddler and was going through shit with her baby daddy, and who would CONTINUE to be an officer of his companies... ... to adopt and financial support 3 middle aged men for as long as they felt like hanging around? Are you put of your mind? You really bought into that, obvious bullshit lie??? |
| Saint Jiub 22.08.2020 19:53 |
FreddieDearie wrote:Posting of personal information on the internet ... the start of Dearie's stalking.CHEVYMAN wrote: Bisexual women are hot at least I am!!!!!!!!Glad you think so. |
| FreddieDearie 23.08.2020 07:02 |
Saint Jiub wrote:Chevyman posted her own information. Haven’t you noticed how much personal info she posts?FreddieDearie wrote:Posting of personal information on the internet ... the start of Dearie's stalking.CHEVYMAN wrote: Bisexual women are hot at least I am!!!!!!!!Glad you think so. I wouldn’t need to stalk even if I wanted to. |