mrjordy 06.02.2007 17:36 |
Brian May wrote the following on his soapbox yesterday, in regards to a review in the UK magazine Guardian Unlimited on new star Mika (whom Brian is very much a fan): "Good Lord. What a wanker ! [Guardian Unlimied] I have a picture in my head of Alexis Petridis, writer for the Guardian - shall I share it with you ? In my mind he looks like a nasty, grubby, spotty, unusually ignorant 15 year old creep, who is foolish enough to think he has one thousanth of the talent, or the courage, of someone like Mika, writing a facile piece of attempted artistic assassination, as if he's trying to prove he has teeth in a 6th form magazine. The Guardian really needs to get some writers who know what they are talking about. Mr. Petridis ? Your 'review' of Mika? Utter rubbish. You just don't get it. Any of it. Go away and get a life, preferably not in journalism. Try to learn the tambourine." -- Ok, ok. We've heard Brian's rants on smoking and the ills of tobacco. We've read on his soapbox about his views on fox hunting, his views towards Tony Blair, President Bush and a couple years ago - how wonderful, wonderful and more wonderful still the Queen / Ben Elton musical "We Will Rock You" was. If anyone dared critique the WWRY musical or judge it in any light other than splendid, Brian fired right back on his soapbox. Often Brian would insult the writer's intelligence or writing skills. Brian would all but say right out "who are you to critique me or my musical?" When Brian is convinced he likes something or is passionate towards something, there is obviously no changing his mind. By that same tolken, there is no arguing with him. Brian May is set in his ways, you / the critics / writers / etc. can either agree with him or be a victim to one of his rants. I, personally, am tired of reading Brian's one-sided rants. They make him appear insane, inarticulate and senile. I saw the WWRY musical upon its opening in Vegas in September of 2004. I found it mediokre and silly, at best. I met Brian May the night before the premiere and hung out with him for quite some time. If you think he's kidding about any of his soapbox issues, try smoking a cigarette anywhere near him. link |
its_a_hard_life 26994 06.02.2007 17:41 |
Woah yeah, I remember you and your story with Brian!!!!!!!! Just wondering, why does Brian have this strong thing for Mika? Sticking up for him and so on. |
saltnvinegar 06.02.2007 17:54 |
I wonder if the bad review reminds Brian of the kind of negative press Queen got from a lot of the British media back in the day? Perhaps he just liked the album and was disappointed to read about it being criticised. I know Brian is a celebrity and therefore what he says reaches a wider audience but ranting and raving is a common feature of many people's blogs-surely doesn't mean they are all senile or insane! |
teleman 06.02.2007 17:59 |
He has a right to express his opinions. If you don't like reading them then don't go to his website. As far as the smoking thing I don't blame him. He's a real human being with complexities not unlike anyone else. |
saltnvinegar 06.02.2007 18:02 |
Actually I've just read the review in question and I'd say the reason for Brian's anger isn't the slating of Mika, it's the fact that the journalist used the opportunity to get a few more digs in about Queen and the WWRY musical. It seems some parts of the media haven't changed since the 70's-if it's Queen-they hate it, if it reminds them of Queen, it's even worse :( |
magicalfreddiemercury 06.02.2007 18:22 |
saltnvinegar wrote: Actually I've just read the review in question and I'd say the reason for Brian's anger isn't the slating of Mika, it's the fact that the journalist used the opportunity to get a few more digs in about Queen and the WWRY musical. It seems some parts of the media haven't changed since the 70's-if it's Queen-they hate it, if it reminds them of Queen, it's even worse :(It could be that, but it could also be the personal attack on Mika. IMO, that's what Brian objected to more than anything. To me, the 'review' read more like a tantrum, as if the reviewer had a personal, deep-seated dislike of Mika. The review could have been negative without reading like an attack, and that's just how this one read. It seemed less about giving a critique of the music and more about dragging down a guy who is, apparently, on the rise. Again, I'd guess that's why Brian responded the way he did, and, I'd also say he was justified to do so. It's his soapbox after all, isn't it? EDIT - I just realized the entry in Brian's soapbox mentioned at the beginning of this thread referred to this review - link I thought it was his entry regarding this one - link That second one is the one that reads like a personal attack. IMO |
Deacon Fan 06.02.2007 19:12 |
mrjordy wrote: I, personally, am tired of reading Brian's one-sided rants. They make him appear insane, inarticulate and senile. I saw the WWRY musical upon its opening in Vegas in September of 2004. I found it mediokre and silly, at best. I met Brian May the night before the premiere and hung out with him for quite some time. If you think he's kidding about any of his soapbox issues, try smoking a cigarette anywhere near him.Wow, you should get a refund! Stop paying for stuff you don't want to read! Huh? You don't have to pay? Then I guess Brian May has every right to write whatever he wants on HIS website eh? |
7 seas of Rhye 06.02.2007 19:45 |
Brian May can say whatever he wants. He's Brian May! |
QueenTaylor 06.02.2007 19:51 |
Yeah I agree...he can have is own opinion on anything he wants!!! |
jjaaccoo 06.02.2007 19:54 |
teleman wrote: He has a right to express his opinions. If you don't like reading them then don't go to his website. As far as the smoking thing I don't blame him. He's a real human being with complexities not unlike anyone else.teleman has given the most sensible reply. no need to go on about this subject, it should stop here but it won't. |
deleted user 06.02.2007 20:00 |
O. K. |
mrjordy 06.02.2007 20:44 |
(Let Me Be Your) Laptop Bunny :
With regard to your sarcastic retort, of course I don't have to pay. Brian May is, of course, entitled to rant and rave or simply state whatever he may wish. So am I and so are you. Merely pointing out that Brian does, indeed, become very sensitive and/or emphatic towards certain subjects.
its_a_hard_life:
Mika's music is sort of an homage to Queen. He even makes a reference to Freddie in his song "Grace Kelly". Brian's taken a real liking to Mika (I'm assuming partially because he is so flattered that Queen is still an influential force in modern music).
teleman wrote: He has a right to express his opinions. If you don't like reading them then don't go to his website. As far as the smoking thing I don't blame him. He's a real human being with complexities not unlike anyone else.Brian does have a right to his opinions, just as I have the right to my opinion on his opinions and so on and so on. As far as "the smoking thing", I don't blame him, either. Anyone and everyone is entitled to smoke cigarettes all day long, if they want. As well, anyone (including and quite obviously, Brian May) is entitled to hating cigarettes. It's morbid curiousity as to what Brian's next rant will be that keeps me visiting his site, contrary to your suggestion that I should stop. |
Fiendishly Yours 06.02.2007 21:14 |
Wow... I'm probably going to get slammed for this, but I agree with mrjordy. I'm tired of reading the same the same old dribbling rants that Brian seems to post the moment they come to him. I know that he's an extremely bright, intelligent man, but some of the things he chooses to toss into the media spotlight that is his website are just plain childish, and do indeed portray him in a slightly fanatic and inarticulate light. He doesn't like criticism and he doesn't seem to understand that half the things people write about him are intended to simply squeeze a negative reaction from him anyway. Perhaps he should take a leaf out of Roger's book: "If you don't [like it], sod you." But, that said, I've simply stopped popping in on Brian's site-- easy enough. I have a great respect for him, but I have trouble digesting a lot of his views, so I just try to stay away from the battle zone. Sometimes I check up on Queen news and scan his entries for anything interesting, but other than that, I like to keep out of Brian's mind and give him his space. :D If he wants to post his thoughts to the Internet, that's fine by me. More power to 'em. >w< [Thanks in advance for not flaming me into oblivion. XD ] |
mrjordy 06.02.2007 21:46 |
Well said, Fiendishly Yours! |
Fiendishly Yours 06.02.2007 21:55 |
mrjordy wrote: Well said, Fiendishly Yours!Thanks! You bring up a convincing argument, despite what others say. At least, from the outside looking in. I'm not really biased for or against Brian so... Yeah. XD |
Saif 06.02.2007 22:34 |
Brian probably has gone slightly mad. A bad omen indeed. Freddie went slightly mad too before his death. Do you think Brian has AIDS? |
onevsion 06.02.2007 23:20 |
mrjordy wrote: Brian May wrote the following on his soapbox yesterday, in regards to a review in the UK magazine Guardian Unlimited on new star Mika (whom Brian is very much a fan): "Good Lord. What a wanker ! [Guardian Unlimied] I have a picture in my head of Alexis Petridis, writer for the Guardian - shall I share it with you ? In my mind he looks like a nasty, grubby, spotty, unusually ignorant 15 year old creep, who is foolish enough to think he has one thousanth of the talent, or the courage, of someone like Mika, writing a facile piece of attempted artistic assassination, as if he's trying to prove he has teeth in a 6th form magazine. The Guardian really needs to get some writers who know what they are talking about. Mr. Petridis ? Your 'review' of Mika? Utter rubbish. You just don't get it. Any of it. Go away and get a life, preferably not in journalism. Try to learn the tambourine." -- Ok, ok. We've heard Brian's rants on smoking and the ills of tobacco. We've read on his soapbox about his views on fox hunting, his views towards Tony Blair, President Bush and a couple years ago - how wonderful, wonderful and more wonderful still the Queen / Ben Elton musical "We Will Rock You" was. If anyone dared critique the WWRY musical or judge it in any light other than splendid, Brian fired right back on his soapbox. Often Brian would insult the writer's intelligence or writing skills. Brian would all but say right out "who are you to critique me or my musical?" When Brian is convinced he likes something or is passionate towards something, there is obviously no changing his mind. By that same tolken, there is no arguing with him. Brian May is set in his ways, you / the critics / writers / etc. can either agree with him or be a victim to one of his rants. I, personally, am tired of reading Brian's one-sided rants. They make him appear insane, inarticulate and senile. I saw the WWRY musical upon its opening in Vegas in September of 2004. I found it mediokre and silly, at best. I met Brian May the night before the premiere and hung out with him for quite some time. If you think he's kidding about any of his soapbox issues, try smoking a cigarette anywhere near him. linkVery well said. I couldn't agree more. Brian has become a grunpy old man. Great guitar player, but very annoying grumpy old man IMHO. |
Dan C. 07.02.2007 00:20 |
I don't see him as much different than you, I, or Martha down the street. We get pissed, we rant. We are excited, we gush. The only difference is that HE is famous. Not to sound like a broken record, but if you don't like it, don't read it. It's that simple. |
Adolfo and the spiders from Mercury 07.02.2007 00:44 |
well if you dont like it, dont read it, oh and go fuck yourself, you piece of shit |
Serry... 07.02.2007 02:00 |
I'm curious about if Brian was brave enough to repeat all his rants about Blair to Blair's face during their last meeting... |
Nathan 07.02.2007 02:27 |
"In my mind he looks like a nasty, grubby, spotty, unusually ignorant 15 year old creep" When Brian May says things like this about other people, he shouldn't get offended when people call him Poodle Perm. |
mike hunt 07.02.2007 02:38 |
Brian has gotten old, and this is the way old people talk. they become bitter and angry. He could say what he wants on his site, but he looks mighty stupid ranting on a 15 year old kid, or whatever age this kid is. It's not the right thing to do. |
Rikke 07.02.2007 03:03 |
If you don't like what he writes, then don't read it. Britain is a country with freedom of speech, and thank God for that. |
Serry... 07.02.2007 04:49 |
Rikke wrote: If you don't like what he writes, then don't read it.That's why Brian still reads the press? |
_Bijou_ 07.02.2007 07:06 |
I agree with alot of stuff Brian puts on his soapbox. It's nice to see that someone with worldwide fame and more money that he can count, cares about what goes on in the world. All the stuff about animals and human rights and now most recently Mika. I totally agree with Brian. |
Adam Baboolal 07.02.2007 07:49 |
Serry... wrote:Er... he's reading about Mika. And now he feels that things need said.Rikke wrote: If you don't like what he writes, then don't read it.That's why Brian still reads the press? Adam. |
Adam Baboolal 07.02.2007 07:52 |
Fiendishly Yours wrote: Perhaps he should take a leaf out of Roger's book: "If you don't [like it], sod you."Isn't that exactly what he's doing?! lol And in some way, Brian's being clever by bringing these critics to people's attention. It's good to know who's worth reading and who you now know can't help but spew crap about someone rather than critique the work at hand. Adam. |
onevsion 07.02.2007 09:44 |
Adolfo wrote: well if you dont like it, dont read it, oh and go fuck yourself, you piece of shitwow.... took you long to think about that didn't it? |
john bodega 07.02.2007 10:19 |
Is it possible that he simply disagrees with the guy, as opposed to the reviewer being an evil person? I read the review in the Guardian - it was (for my taste) too snarky, really.... but I really feel Brian gives these people too much attention. I empathise, I get overly wordy a lot, but sometimes you've got to take Roger's approach. Case in point - he saw a photo of one of these journalists and said 'looks like God already had his revenge on that bloke'. As someone who hasn't bought or read a newspaper in 4 or 5 years, I can seriously say that they really don't matter much these days; wish Brian would take the same stance! It'll save him an ulcer, I know it. |
President 07.02.2007 10:35 |
I used to work with the band during the time when Freddie was still "actual". Despite the fact that Paul Rogers has never been a number one option for his replacement, although as a matter of fact conversations for a possible replacement have taken place, Rogers is in the band now.And I am convinced that this is mostly due to Brian's sole decision. Roger got involved later. Yes, it's so. Brian in his own words: "Getting an idea, I can be very pig-headed!". Off course some of the ideas might be creative, then one should stand for them, especially a musician of such a caliber as his, but to impose your understandings on topics such as smoking interferes with the personal space of other people and (according to the Declaration for the Human Rights of the UN) is "discrimination based on the use of narcotic substances". On this age and with this influence as Brian's, one should be more mature. PS. I've put "Keep the band alive!" in terms of "God save the Queen!" |
The Real Wizard 07.02.2007 10:38 |
mrjordy wrote: If anyone dared critique the WWRY musical or judge it in any light other than splendid, Brian fired right back on his soapbox. Often Brian would insult the writer's intelligence or writing skills.That's an exaggeration. There are plenty of neutral or lukewarm reviews he has ignored. He reacts to the ones that are blatant attacks, not well-thought-out criticisms. In journalism, very few bad reviews are articulately written. Most reviews are statements about the reviewers, not about what they're reviewing. Brian simply tells the truth, and people attack him, calling him a "bitter old man". So the critics are allowed to give a bad and unintelligent review, and Brian isn't allowed to react intelligently? Quite a double-standard there. When you're pushing 60 and have lived your life with open eyes and realize all that's wrong with the world, you'll appear to be bitter. Most rock stars have the reputation of being out of touch with the "real world", and here's Brian May, clearly an intelligent man, pointing out the unjustified bitterness of reviewers, and he gets labelled as bitter himself. How in the world can he win? I've met Brian myself, and he's the sweetest and most sincere guy I've ever met. So shoot him for having a website where he can express himself about a few things that upset him. |
john bodega 07.02.2007 10:44 |
"on topics such as smoking interferes with the personal space of other people and (according to the Declaration for the Human Rights of the UN) is "discrimination based on the use of narcotic substances"." Smoking is a pain in the arse and an imposition to everyone else. It's no deadlier than the stuff we breathe in from cars :) Of course. But that don't make it good. "When you're pushing 60 and have lived your life with open eyes and realize all that's wrong with the world, you'll appear to be bitter." Oh... fuck I'm only 21 and I already keep finding chips on my shoulder. *ahem* |
The Real Wizard 07.02.2007 10:46 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Smoking is a pain in the arse and an imposition to everyone else. It's no deadlier than the stuff we breathe in from cars :)It absolutely is. The toxins from cars are no comparison to what cigarettes emit. |
john bodega 07.02.2007 10:50 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Oh! Shit - still, we wonder why everyone is getting strokes at earlier ages... our friend the automobile is really more like Santa Claus. Except instead of presents, it hands out all kinds of nasty illnesses!Zebonka12 wrote: Smoking is a pain in the arse and an imposition to everyone else. It's no deadlier than the stuff we breathe in from cars :)It absolutely is. The toxins from cars are no comparison to what cigarettes emit. It does, of course, depend on the car.... the newer ones merely feed us stuff we can't smell as easily! |
thomasquinn 32989 07.02.2007 10:53 |
mrjordy wrote: I, personally, am tired of reading Brian's one-sided rants.Then stop reading them. Oh, and with this topic, you make yourself guilty of *exactly* the same thing. |
The Real Wizard 07.02.2007 10:54 |
Zebonka12 wrote: It does, of course, depend on the car.... the newer ones merely feed us stuff we can't smell as easily!Hahaha... this is true! |
Serry... 07.02.2007 11:59 |
Adam Baboolal wrote: Er... he's reading about Mika. And now he feels that things need said. Adam.Journalists cannot say that things need to be said about Mika? If he doesn't like those things - why he reads them? If someone doesn't like the things Brian writes - why that someone has to stop to read what Brian writes? Smells like double standards... |
sparrow 21754 07.02.2007 12:01 |
you know guys....brian may has a thing called brianmay.com? and um....he writes things there...because its his website? if you dont like it, DONT READ IT. why is that a difficult concept? if i read your livejournal/xanga/myspace blog and i told any of you you shouldnt write that stuff anymore because im sick of it, wouldnt you think THAT was rubbish? its fine if you dont like it. but thers noe need to waste space on ranting about how much you dont like it. like the postings here, if you dont like it, leave it be! if you are entitled to your opinion, then i think our brian can be too. |
deleted user 07.02.2007 12:06 |
Hmm...well yeah it's Brian's site and he's entitled to say what he wants, it's a free country etc. Still has Brian actually BOUGHT the album and listened to it? If not he shouldn't let the well-being of those merely in his favour for mentioning Freddie in their hit single get in the way of a fellow human being's opinion. Still poor Mika, what horrible reviews. If he goes and releases more songs and writes some more I'll admire him. It's more than I could've plucked up the courage to do. |
Boy Thomas Raker 07.02.2007 12:42 |
Hi Sparrow, methinks your thoughts are a bit contradictory, such as: "you know guys....brian may has a thing called brianmay.com? and um....he writes things there...because its his website? if you dont like it, DONT READ IT. why is that a difficult concept?" Um, these guys, Drowned in Sound have a thing called drownedinsound.com...they, and Gareth Dobson, write things there, because it's their website. If Brian doesn't like it, DON'T READ IT! Isn't that a concept that you should be telling Brian about? "its fine if you dont like it. but thers noe need to waste space on ranting about how much you dont like it. like the postings here, if you dont like it, leave it be! if you are entitled to your opinion, then i think our brian can be too." Exactly. Brian May, Sparrow, Sir GH, Zebonka, Gareth Dobson and I are all entitled to our opinions. Every fan forum on the internet is a soapbox. One look at the Drowned in Sound site says they're a well developed amateur site. Gareth Dobson probably gets $20 per article. It's poorly written, and anybody who attacks a person's looks write off the bat is signaling their pre-conceived biases towards the person they're reviewing. Why Brian doesn't let these things go is beyond me, but Brian is selective about criticism. He "heard" (probably from this site) how people thought at the beginning of the QPR tour that FBG must've had pre-recorded harmonies at the intro. Brian proudly stated that it was all of them singing live, and shot down the unwashed masses. However, the same rumours in these threads were also about the use of backing tracks for TATDOOL and Radio Ga Ga. He didn't answer them, so I guess that uninformed people were wrong about FBG (and they were) so he could put them in their places. However, these same uninformed people were right about the other backing tracks, and Brian didn't respond to that. Hypocritical. |
John S Stuart 07.02.2007 12:59 |
Brian May wrote: "In my mind he looks like a nasty, grubby, spotty, unusually ignorant 15 year old creep" Ducksoup wrote:Freedom of speech is one thing.Adolfo wrote: well if you dont like it, dont read it, oh and go fuck yourself, you piece of shit However, I usually find that when one is reduced to insulting the messenger – rather than sticking to the point of the argument, then the insulter loses all credibility regardless of how strong their line of reasoning may be. Simply, Brian’s defence of Mika may be perfectly valid, but as soon as he descends into name-calling the author a ‘nasty, grubby, spotty, unusually ignorant 15 year old creep’, it is he, and not the original writer who comes off worse. Unfortunately, our friend Adolfo (above) has fallen into the same trap. Perhaps they are all enlisted in the 'Greg Brooks Academy of Etiquette and Charm’? |
QueenTaylor 07.02.2007 14:41 |
If you feel this strongly about it...than write to Brian and tell him! I bet you wouldn't go that far...let's see that! |
The Real Wizard 07.02.2007 15:19 |
Boy Thomas Raker wrote: However, the same rumours in these threads were also about the use of backing tracks for TATDOOL and Radio Ga Ga. He didn't answer them, so I guess that uninformed people were wrong about FBG (and they were) so he could put them in their places. However, these same uninformed people were right about the other backing tracks, and Brian didn't respond to that. Hypocritical.Not at all. It's no secret that they used backing tracks for TATDOOL and Ga Ga, so he didn't need to waste his time responding to that. |
stringsrmagicalzey 07.02.2007 15:27 |
teleman wrote: He has a right to express his opinions. If you don't like reading them then don't go to his website. As far as the smoking thing I don't blame him. He's a real human being with complexities not unlike anyone else.Hello: I agree. Take care, |
Bobby_brown 07.02.2007 15:45 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:I have to agree with you, and John Stuart has a point too.mrjordy wrote: If anyone dared critique the WWRY musical or judge it in any light other than splendid, Brian fired right back on his soapbox. Often Brian would insult the writer's intelligence or writing skills.That's an exaggeration. There are plenty of neutral or lukewarm reviews he has ignored. He reacts to the ones that are blatant attacks, not well-thought-out criticisms. In journalism, very few bad reviews are articulately written. Most reviews are statements about the reviewers, not about what they're reviewing. Brian simply tells the truth, and people attack him, calling him a "bitter old man". So the critics are allowed to give a bad and unintelligent review, and Brian isn't allowed to react intelligently? Quite a double-standard there. When you're pushing 60 and have lived your life with open eyes and realize all that's wrong with the world, you'll appear to be bitter. Most rock stars have the reputation of being out of touch with the "real world", and here's Brian May, clearly an intelligent man, pointing out the unjustified bitterness of reviewers, and he gets labelled as bitter himself. How in the world can he win? I've met Brian myself, and he's the sweetest and most sincere guy I've ever met. So shoot him for having a website where he can express himself about a few things that upset him. But i can relate to Brian because this is the type of criticism that almost killed Queen in the begining, and he knows how hard it was for them to succeed. Now, Mikka is not in a band and this can be a difficult situation for him to overcome. I mean, all the good reviews he had by the fans in the past, and even when i hear him sing, i can´t understand what the criric has writed. If you think he was being honest then i think i don´t know anything about music. The same thing with Queen, we are he celebrating the most criticized band in the world, but the thing is: Our ears have a different story. Oh, and it seems that everything Freddie or Queen related will be put down by the press. Brian is just fed up! Take care |
Boy Thomas Raker 07.02.2007 16:01 |
That may be the case Sir GH, but there was extremely heavy criticism and bitching about the use of backing tapes. If Brian acknowledged, and he did rather smugly, that they weren't using tapes for FBG, he should have said they were using it for the other songs. As it stands, he chastised the people for their mistaken thoughts, but chose not to acknowledge their legitimate points. That's being selective, doesn't make him a bad guy, and I'm pro-Brian on most things but that particular response was disingenuous IMHO. |
sparrow 21754 07.02.2007 16:07 |
Boy Thomas Raker wrote: Hi Sparrow, methinks your thoughts are a bit contradictory, such as: "you know guys....brian may has a thing called brianmay.com? and um....he writes things there...because its his website? if you dont like it, DONT READ IT. why is that a difficult concept?" Um, these guys, Drowned in Sound have a thing called drownedinsound.com...they, and Gareth Dobson, write things there, because it's their website. If Brian doesn't like it, DON'T READ IT! Isn't that a concept that you should be telling Brian about? "its fine if you dont like it. but thers noe need to waste space on ranting about how much you dont like it. like the postings here, if you dont like it, leave it be! if you are entitled to your opinion, then i think our brian can be too." Exactly. Brian May, Sparrow, Sir GH, Zebonka, Gareth Dobson and I are all entitled to our opinions. Every fan forum on the internet is a soapbox. One look at the Drowned in Sound site says they're a well developed amateur site. Gareth Dobson probably gets $20 per article. It's poorly written, and anybody who attacks a person's looks write off the bat is signaling their pre-conceived biases towards the person they're reviewing. Why Brian doesn't let these things go is beyond me, but Brian is selective about criticism. He "heard" (probably from this site) how people thought at the beginning of the QPR tour that FBG must've had pre-recorded harmonies at the intro. Brian proudly stated that it was all of them singing live, and shot down the unwashed masses. However, the same rumours in these threads were also about the use of backing tracks for TATDOOL and Radio Ga Ga. He didn't answer them, so I guess that uninformed people were wrong about FBG (and they were) so he could put them in their places. However, these same uninformed people were right about the other backing tracks, and Brian didn't respond to that. Hypocritical.im sorry, i dont understand. what did i say that was contradicting? i guess its about time for me to be attacked for once. but i cant stand being called a hypocrite. escpecially if i didnt mean to be. maybe you misunderstood something, or as usual i lack the decent words to try and neutralize things. all i said was what many others have said in a tactful way, basically saying, theres no need to flip out on something that perhaps someone has stated about. it is his journal, his thoughts, and we dont have to agree on them. and sure, we may not like what he has to say, but for those who are over-passionate in disagreeing with something either need to calm down, or just not read. like me, i cant watch the news anymore because it overly angers me with how much the press skews things. it seems to work... my blood pressure went down! if they want to discuss his opinion, at least try doing it tactfully. i dont know. i want to understand why im contradicting, really. i have a feeling i missed a part and theres more than likely a misunderstanding. id like to think i had a decent point. please correct me if im wrong somewhere. i wasnt trying to say that this board or his opinions will/should be happy-go-lucky solely, if thats the case. if someone posted something im not stopping them from saying what they dont like. but if theyre gonna put down someone for their opinion, then i feel its wrong. as i said, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but telling someone their opinion is WRONG (unless its implying harm, then i can see why many would flip out about that) thats when they need to stop. and if they continue to say theyre wrong, then its simple, stop reading, calm down and just accept the fact of that is how they think. were human. and we make mistakes by taking things too far sometimes yes, and maybe i jumped the gun on those who didnt care for what brian said, but i cant stand it when people think someones thoughts are wrong then there was |
QueenTaylor 07.02.2007 16:07 |
For the last time: WRITE TO HIM!!!! TELL HIM HOW YOU FEEL!! if you think he's too opinionated...tell him!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Boy Thomas Raker 07.02.2007 16:15 |
Sorry Sparrow, when I said your views were contradictory, I basically meant to say that your point about Brian having a website to state his opinion is the same as Drowned in Sound having a website to state their opinions. Then you stated that people should ignore Brian's opinions if they didn't like them, which is what I feel Brian should do about the review he disliked. You're suggesting to people to ignore Brian's post doesn't fly with how Brian responded to a post he didn't like. BTW, when I said "hypocritical", I meant Brian with his selective criticism, not you for your post. |
sparrow 21754 07.02.2007 17:05 |
Boy Thomas Raker wrote: Sorry Sparrow, when I said your views were contradictory, I basically meant to say that your point about Brian having a website to state his opinion is the same as Drowned in Sound having a website to state their opinions. Then you stated that people should ignore Brian's opinions if they didn't like them, which is what I feel Brian should do about the review he disliked. You're suggesting to people to ignore Brian's post doesn't fly with how Brian responded to a post he didn't like. BTW, when I said "hypocritical", I meant Brian with his selective criticism, not you for your post.oh ok. it was a bit confusing but i think i get it. but really i meant no harm in anything i said, i guess in a nutshell, i was trying to say if they continuously read something and have a general 'i dont like it' opinion then why waste their time reading it? now im not sure if this has been going on for a while, but i get the impression that many people have read his site and keep saying the same things. and i was also trying to say that generally my pet peeve is someone putting down someone for having a certain opinion. forgive me for my lack of words :-p on another note, i do think it is petty to call someone names for having an opinion as well. its one thing to bark back in defense, it is only human, but it is unessesary. and i think i may have missed that the first time, if thats what they said about brian. |
Fiendishly Yours 07.02.2007 17:52 |
taylormad101 wrote: For the last time: WRITE TO HIM!!!! TELL HIM HOW YOU FEEL!! if you think he's too opinionated...tell him!!!!!!!!!!!!!Young Taylorette, I don't see what point writing to him would serve. It's his site after all, and as the majority of posters here have stated, he can write what he wants. If anything, sending him such an email that would tear apart his character would only create more drama in his soapbox. ;D Honestly, mrjordy was simply stating his observations. That's all this thread really is; just observation. It's not meant to offend or even really provoke. And since this is a place to discuss the various extensions of Queen, well... I don't think I understand why everyone is making such a fuss over this topic. But, to each their own. >w< Happy Wednesday! XD |
QueenTaylor 07.02.2007 17:55 |
yes...i know, I agree..I love Bri and I think he should be able to say what he wants, but evrybody is making such a big deal out of this one comment. He has his own opinion and if it's his website, he should be able to write whatever he wants. am i right? |
Fiendishly Yours 07.02.2007 18:07 |
taylormad101 wrote: yes...i know, I agree..I love Bri and I think he should be able to say what he wants, but evrybody is making such a big deal out of this one comment. He has his own opinion and if it's his website, he should be able to write whatever he wants. am i right?Sure you're right. I think the manner in which he chooses to express himself is the issue at hand. But, like most things, that's all opinion. You think it's fine for him to rant and act in a rather puerile manner, while I don't, and think it serves to draw more negative attention towards him. That's basically the black and white of this topic, the split. :3 |
teleman 07.02.2007 18:31 |
taylormad101 wrote: yes...i know, I agree..I love Bri and I think he should be able to say what he wants...Well he shouldn't be able to yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater(even if it's a theater full of critics at a performance of WWRY) LOL Don't see the point of getting worked up one way or the other over what somebody says on their website. Some of the comments posted here are more offensive IMO. |
Saif 07.02.2007 22:14 |
Best solution: Everyone should get a website like Brian May |
eggy 08.02.2007 10:44 |
I read Drowned in Sound a lot - it's good fun and gets you onto some pretty good new music. I'm with them on this one, whilst calling Mika a "deceased Leo Sayer" is harsh (but hilarious) at the same time his music sucks and that is what we are here to talk about at the end of the day. |
PieterMC 08.02.2007 10:45 |
Brian has been in a rather bitchy mood lately though. Just take a look at his soapbox and read how many of his latest entries are him complaining about something. |
Sebastian 08.02.2007 12:55 |
> Perhaps they are all enlisted in the 'Greg Brooks Academy of Etiquette and Charm’? Lmao! Btw, I agree: Brian's a grumpy ol' whiney narrow-minded self-centred tart now, yet that doesn't deny the fact he's a marvellous artist. And the fact he's a brilliant musician doesn't change the fact he's now a grumpy ol' whiney narrow-mided self-centred tart. |
Boy Thomas Raker 08.02.2007 13:00 |
Just saw this on American music site Idolator, discussing Brian's recent outbursts in a post they called "He will, He will Mock you": "Well, he might have a point there with the "diseased Leo Sayer" line, but still we had to wonder: Why does May get all hot and bothered about this some guy making jokes about an up-and-coming pop star like Mika? What could possibly be making him so cranky?" |
The Real Wizard 08.02.2007 15:22 |
I still can't believe that people are continuing to label Brian as cranky and bitter simply because he points out a few negative things he sees. Do none of us here ever point out things we don't agree with? Or do you see nothing wrong with the world, and attack anyone who does? Ignorance is bliss, I guess. It's easy for some to read Brian's words verbatim and label him as bitter, but we must remember, it's just a soapbox. A soapbox is a place to express yourself whenever you feel the need to. It doesn't represent him as a whole. Just like Howard Stern isn't a full-time pervert and Ozzy isn't a full-time excuse for vulgarity, Brian May isn't one-dimensionally negative. And that, of course, is assuming that we ignore all the positive things he has to say. Or perhaps the next person will claim that Brian is an egomaniac because he just proudly mentioned a toothbrush that plays WWRY. I wait with minimally baited breath. I guess you can't please some people at all... |
Oberon 08.02.2007 16:05 |
For me, I think I'm just disappointed at the manner in which he so often responds. I think he demeans himself by the language / rhetoric he uses. I would have thought someone of his intelligence could be a little more constructive in his own criticisms. I have no problem with him stating his opinions, but wish he wasn't so childish etc in the manner in which he does it. |
Boy Thomas Raker 08.02.2007 16:40 |
Excellent points Oberon. I agree with Sir GH and his prior post, but unfortunately, it's magnified with Brian because the perception and probable reality is that he's a such a nice man that his comments make him out to be a bit of a whiner. If John Lydon were lashing out you'd expect it, but Brian (and let's be honest, the British press, and music press HATE anything Queen-y, and have for decades) isn't that type of a guy and makes himself a bigger target. Personally, it's his soapbox and he can do what he wants. However, I find his credibility suffers by using the "5 million happy customers" line when defending what I and others perceive as fair criticisms about the musical (usually about the weak story.) If sales defines art, "A Night at the Opera" is about 1/15th the album that "Please Hammer don't hurt 'em" is. |
Mr.Jingles 08.02.2007 21:13 |
I think Brian has a valid point when it comes to the way he responds to certain comments from the press, but he definitely is showing some moments of senile crankiness. I understand why Brian responds to bitter criticism with a bitter comment, but there are a few times when some criticisms are certainly professional and rather constructive, but yet Brian still takes it all too hard. Brian seems to expect that each and every single human being on earth will enjoy WWRY the Musical or the tour Queen + PR. Turns out to be that not everybody's taste is the same. Also... So what if Suggs made fun of his hair and Anita's? Brian needs to lighten up a bit. P.S. Lynn Carey Saylor is a hot piece of ass |
gnomo 09.02.2007 01:17 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: So what if Suggs made fun of his hair and Anita's? Brian needs to lighten up a bitEach of us has got a few "sensitive points" about which we can't be objective and tend to over-react; looks like hair is one of his I think. |
Sweetie 09.02.2007 02:34 |
I think everyone is like Brian....to a degree, we all rant on about something on here....and we all have our bias? opinions..i think that's right anyway, but we will all at some point go on about something...like how I over-react when my brother laughs at AIDS or homosexuals (even though on Monday night while we were watching the Scissor Sisters concert he said he'd gladly 'Do Jake'), Brian will do that with all his Beautiful creations |
Mr.Jingles 09.02.2007 09:07 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: I still can't believe that people are continuing to label Brian as cranky and bitter simply because he points out a few negative things he sees.Seems like a lot more than just a few to me. I personally agree everytime he rants against animal abuse, smoking, war and politics. However, there are times when he goes a bit out of hand with the criticism of his projects or someone else's. |
sparrow 21754 09.02.2007 12:01 |
gnomo wrote:plus the joke get really old really quick. really, if you heard someone make the same joke about you for most of your life, wouldnt you be more sick of it than offended?Mr.Jingles wrote: So what if Suggs made fun of his hair and Anita's? Brian needs to lighten up a bitEach of us has got a few "sensitive points" about which we can't be objective and tend to over-react; looks like hair is one of his I think. |
QueenRocker 10.02.2007 20:23 |
Personally, I love Brian's opinions. I mean...come on...how many famous people out there actually post their thoughts on a website? I think it's great! |
Sweetie 10.02.2007 21:08 |
QueenRocker wrote: Personally, I love Brian's opinions. I mean...come on...how many famous people out there actually post their thoughts on a website? I think it's great!The other famous people actually have better things to do..or they're like Roger and don't like anything they don't understand.... |
QueenTaylor 11.02.2007 13:37 |
Here it is here...a news reporter complaining about "brian may's bloging" you can even have your say on it on timesonline.com The first link is Brian's say on it and the second link is the article link link I think this was cruel, what they did to Brian. They should've just discussed it with him. |
QueenTaylor 11.02.2007 13:48 |
I actually see where Brian's coming from. I mean he went through so many years of bad journalists and newspaper articles talking about him and Queen. It's not fair. I could see how it could get very irritating!! |
_Bijou_ 11.02.2007 13:58 |
Yeah and Brian, unlike the journalists knows what he's talking about. |
QueenTaylor 11.02.2007 14:03 |
yeah, I mean some of those statements were definitely not true! |
_Bijou_ 11.02.2007 14:06 |
People who pick on Brian for making comments that are true and make sense are stupid. They don't pick on morons from Big Brother or something who really were bred in a zoo. They have to find someone really famous and who has a strong opinion. I pity them. |
Boy Thomas Raker 11.02.2007 14:17 |
It's a pity for Brian that this is happening. These days, the press roasts famous people for their rehearsed vanilla responses to everything, then shit all over them when someone actually speaks their mind. |
_Bijou_ 11.02.2007 14:25 |
Boy Thomas Raker wrote: It's a pity for Brian that this is happening. These days, the press roasts famous people for their rehearsed vanilla responses to everything, then shit all over them when someone actually speaks their mind.I'm all for people who speak their minds. Sucking up to everyone doesn't work, if it weren't for people like Brian the world would be in a worse place than it is now. I don't know why they have to pick on people who tell the truth. They can't handle the truth. |
QueenTaylor 11.02.2007 15:26 |
I really like your website Bijou In Queens Crown. I'm always looking for new Queen sites, it's a really nice one..I added it to my favorites. How do you make the animations? Also, under the get in touch section it says to email you for suggestions for the sites..well maybe you can add some Queen games to the site..they're so fun! |
Saif 11.02.2007 23:23 |
David Bowie blogs too. |
_Bijou_ 12.02.2007 08:10 |
Aww thanks. I'm glad you like it. I took the animations from the QOL forum, they said I could put them onto my site. And I will think about the games idea. Thanks ;) |
Serry... 12.02.2007 08:19 |
Bijou In Queens Crown wrote: They can't handle the truth.So Brian does. The musical is shit. Press says "it's shit", Brian can't handle it. The story as shit as those morons from Big Brother that you wrote about. C'mon, he called us as parasites, it's not only about press... |
john bodega 12.02.2007 09:23 |
I wasn't aware a person could be too opinionated. I rather had the impression we were allowed to have opinions!! |
Adam Baboolal 12.02.2007 10:20 |
Serry... wrote: The musical is shit. Press says "it's shit", Brian can't handle it.If it's so shit, how come it still survives after 5 years? Extended past many people's expectations. It must be popular and people must enjoy it, if only for the music. It's certainly not shit. The story isn't great, but it's not that bad. Having been dragged to it thinking, like many Queen fans, it was going to be shit, I was proved wrong. It was very entertaining and I liked hearing those songs and seeing the show overall. Why don't people say, "I don't like it"? Rather than, "It is..." shit. I never understand that cause it makes it read a little thoughtless and almost childish, that way. Adam. |
Serry... 12.02.2007 11:14 |
Adam Baboolal wrote: If it's so shit, how come it still survives after 5 years?It survived in Russia for the less than 5 months and was closed. Adam Baboolal wrote: Why don't people say, "I don't like it"? Rather than, "It is..." shit. I never understand that cause it makes it read a little thoughtless and almost childish, that way.Yes, why Adam? Why Brian can't say "I don't like that journalist" and use all those nasty words instead of. Let's ask him? |
Sebastian 12.02.2007 11:17 |
Cheers Serry. |
_Bijou_ 12.02.2007 12:15 |
Serry... wrote:I'm not going to try and find any sense in that post. Because there isn't any.Bijou In Queens Crown wrote: They can't handle the truth.So Brian does. The musical is shit. Press says "it's shit", Brian can't handle it. The story as shit as those morons from Big Brother that you wrote about. C'mon, he called us as parasites, it's not only about press... |
Boy Thomas Raker 12.02.2007 12:17 |
The Wikipedia entry on WWRY states, "played for laughs, there is very little real story to We Will Rock You. While the musical is a spoof of the classic quest tale with some moments of clever dialogue, it exists predominately as a framework allowing a vocally talented cast to perform covers of Queen's greatest hits." That seems fair. Little real story, a spoof, played for laughs. No shame there. But given the fact that the story exists to fit the songs of Queen into, it has to be lightweight right off the bat. Virtually every (fair) criticism I've read about the musical states that the music is fine, but the story is contrived and the humour is pun based. But Brian won't accept even fair criticism. Brian keeps using the line about attendance disproving the critics, and how audiences are entertained by WWRY. But does anyone leave the theatre challenged by what they've seen? Do they question the intrusion of corporations into our life? Of course not, because they're there to be entertained. But critics aren't there to be entertained, they report on story, acting, lights, music etc. According to Brian, every critic is wrong when they state that the story is weak and farfetched because 5 million people have seen the musical. Again, if sales are all that matters, the debut album from New Kids On The Block is 10 times "better" than ANATO, Innuendo or Queen II. The numbers don't lie, so that is indisputable. |
_Bijou_ 12.02.2007 12:19 |
Well I don't blame Brian for thinking every critic is wrong. Most of them are, they don't want a real job so they go and slag other people's off. And critics have got a bad reputation so it's no wonder Brian doesn't like them. |
_Bijou_ 12.02.2007 12:20 |
taylormad101 wrote: I really like your website Bijou In Queens Crown. I'm always looking for new Queen sites, it's a really nice one..I added it to my favorites. How do you make the animations? Also, under the get in touch section it says to email you for suggestions for the sites..well maybe you can add some Queen games to the site..they're so fun!Aww thanks, I'm glad you like it. I didn't actually make the animations. They're from the QOL forum and they said I could use them on my site. I will think about the games idea as well. Thanks |
Serry... 12.02.2007 12:36 |
Bijou In Queens Crown wrote: I'm not going to try and find any sense in that post. Because there isn't any.Hahaha, I've supposed answer of that kind. When the logic works against you there are always two options: "I can't understand what do you mean!" or "You're a jerk!". Ok, if you can't find sense - I'll find it for you. Journalists can't handle the truth neither Brian can't. More clear for you? Brian can't handle the truth that musical sucks. Still no sense? |
_Bijou_ 12.02.2007 12:38 |
It's perfectly clear what you are saying you moron. Who cares if you or some poxy journalists don't like the musical? I'm glad you all wasted your money if you hated it that much. |
Boy Thomas Raker 12.02.2007 12:42 |
Bijou In Queens Crown wrote: Well I don't blame Brian for thinking every critic is wrong. Most of them are, they don't want a real job so they go and slag other people's off. And critics have got a bad reputation so it's no wonder Brian doesn't like them.But Brian doesn't accept any criticism, valid or otherwise. Countless fans on this site, who love the band and enjoyed the musical, said the story was stupid. Are they wrong because Brian thinks they have a "bad reputation?" Let's be fair. The moment that KYA hit people's record players in 1973, Brian accomplished more creatively than 99.9% of us ever will. He is wildly underrated in his guitar playing, singing, and especially his songwriting. But he has missed the mark, and when he is called out on it he gets pissy. The versions of WWRY with 5ive, WWRY for Pepsi, WWRY with John Farnham and WATC with Robbie Williams are indefensible. Since the definitive versions of those songs have been done, could someone please tell me why those songs were re-done? None of them were close to the original, all were justifiably panned (including John Deacon on WATC) but Brian reacted against this criticism, which is totally just IMHO. |
Serry... 12.02.2007 12:45 |
Now you're calling me moron. Second option has worked too. Logic shows no pity, yeah? Just one month ago she told me how good I am for uploading the track for her and now she calls me as a moron because she doesn't know what else to say. Typical QZer! Grow up! |
_Bijou_ 12.02.2007 12:48 |
Serry... wrote: Now you're calling me moron. Second option has worked too. Logic shows no pity, yeah? Just one month ago she told me how good I am for uploading the track for her and now she calls me as a moron because she doesn't know what else to say. Typical QZer! Grow up!Me grow up? When you throw your dolly out the pram just because you hate a musical. I didn't even remember you uploaded a track. I don't particularly want to remember anyone on here, you can't have a different opinion if one at all. Like with Brian, the topic title is stupid enough. How can you be too opinionated? He speaks his mind. If I had built up something and then critics just slate it I'd be pissed off. I wouldn't take any notice of them just like I will with you. |
Serry... 12.02.2007 12:52 |
Bijou In Queens Crown wrote: Me grow up? When you throw your dolly out the pram just because you hate a musical. I didn't even remember you uploaded a track.Of course you don't remember! You're typical useless QZer as I wrote: ask, leech, name someone as moron and leave then. Yes, you need to grow up I was talking about musical not about you being moron. You want name calling, you bring name calling to this topic, okay, here's my turn now - you bitch. |
_Bijou_ 12.02.2007 12:55 |
Serry... wrote:Ooh yeah, got me right there(!) You have a large vocabulary don't you? You perpetualy get on my nerves with your snide little comments. Then you moan about me calling you a moron and you can't take higher ground, you have to emulate me.Bijou In Queens Crown wrote: Me grow up? When you throw your dolly out the pram just because you hate a musical. I didn't even remember you uploaded a track.Of course you don't remember! You're typical QZer as I wrote: ask, leech, name someone as moron and leave then. Yes, you need to grow up I was talking about musical not about you being moron. You want name calling, you bring name calling to this topic, okay, here's my turn now - you bitch. I'll give you a bit of time to 'Google' a few of those big words. |
Serry... 12.02.2007 12:59 |
Bijou In Queens Crown wrote: You perpetualy get on my nerves with your snide little comments.Yes I do. I like it. You deserve it. |
Saif 12.02.2007 13:01 |
Robbie Williams? The little faggot thinks he's Jim Morrison. Nah, I'm not homophobic but he sucks ass and he's a faggot despite not being gay, if that makes sense. And this thread has got to have spurred one of the most senseless arguments ever. Serry said "Musical sucks", that's his opinion. He's not forcing it on anyone. If you like it, great, more love gravy for you. If I say "Harry Potter sucks, gay story", that'd be my opinion only. Just like Brian has the right to express his opinion, so does everyone around here. Now some people might think he needs to lighten up, but I don't think he should. I'm lovin' it. :P |
_Bijou_ 12.02.2007 13:04 |
Serry... wrote:And you have the cheek to call me childish? LolBijou In Queens Crown wrote: You perpetualy get on my nerves with your snide little comments.Yes I do. I like it. You deserve it. |
Serry... 12.02.2007 13:08 |
Bijou In Queens Crown wrote: And you have the cheek to call me childish? LolYes I have. You're childish. Lol |
_Bijou_ 12.02.2007 13:24 |
Ugh! This is going nowhere. If I wanted clown class lessons.... |
Serry... 12.02.2007 13:34 |
Bijou In Queens Crown wrote: Ugh! This is going nowhere. If I wanted clown class lessons....You'll be teacher there! |
_Bijou_ 12.02.2007 13:41 |
Serry... wrote:WWRY RE-OPENS IN MADRID!Adam Baboolal wrote: If it's so shit, how come it still survives after 5 years?It survived in Russia for the less than 5 months and was closed.Adam Baboolal wrote: Why don't people say, "I don't like it"? Rather than, "It is..." shit. I never understand that cause it makes it read a little thoughtless and almost childish, that way.Yes, why Adam? Why Brian can't say "I don't like that journalist" and use all those nasty words instead of. Let's ask him? Brian May is in Madrid tonight at the re-opening of the Spanish production of the Worldwide Smash hit musical We Will Rock You. The show is being performed in the newly named Haagen Daz Theatre. Two fingers up to you. *Hiss* |
_Bijou_ 12.02.2007 13:42 |
Serry... wrote:Yeah maybe I could teach you how to write a sentance.Bijou In Queens Crown wrote: Ugh! This is going nowhere. If I wanted clown class lessons....You'll be teacher there! 'You'll be A teacher there!' |
Serry... 12.02.2007 13:44 |
Bijou In Queens Crown wrote: Yeah maybe I could teach you how to write a sentance. 'You'll be A teacher there!'But firstly you have to learn how correctly to write word "sentEnce"... Lol |
_Bijou_ 12.02.2007 13:47 |
See you're a star pupil already. ;) |
john bodega 12.02.2007 20:49 |
I know where to come if I want to feel smarter than everyone. |
Good_Company50 14.02.2007 10:21 |
mrjordy wrote: I, personally, am tired of reading Brian's one-sided rants.Is there any other kind???? Who doesn't go off on a rant on occasion? Everyone is entitled. Seems the only time anyone gets miffed about someone else's opinions is when they don't agree with their own. We all have opinions--we like to state our opinions--that's why BLOGS are so popular. Brian happens to have his own website and his Soapbox to state HIS opinions. Too Goddamned opinionated?? Who's opinions should he state? Someone elses? |
Sebastian 14.02.2007 21:43 |
> Who doesn't go off on a rant on occasion? Everyone is entitled. Key words: ON OCCASION > Brian happens to have his own website and his Soapbox to state HIS opinions. Good for him. But sometimes they're offensive and unfair to others. |
_Bijou_ 15.02.2007 03:16 |
Sebastian wrote: > Who doesn't go off on a rant on occasion? Everyone is entitled. Key words: ON OCCASION > Brian happens to have his own website and his Soapbox to state HIS opinions. Good for him. But sometimes they're offensive and unfair to others.Well of course they're going to offend someone. I can't cough on here without getting told off it seems. |
Good_Company50 15.02.2007 07:37 |
Sebastian wrote: > > Brian happens to have his own website and his Soapbox to state HIS opinions. Good for him. But sometimes they're offensive and unfair to others.Well, maybe sometimes people NEED to be offended--when THEIR activities and attitudes are offensive. I don't think Brian gets defensive about unfavorable reviews and articles that are well thought out and constructive, but he does get offended by journalists who, for example, make disparaging remarks about his hair. What does that have to do with the value of his opinions or his work or his worth as a human being? And as to being unfair--I have known Brian to apologize when another side of an issue has respectfully been pointed out to him. He is not unreasonable after all. I am glad Brian is opinionated--he cares deeply and is willing to speak out and try to change things that he feels are wrong. I don't agree with everything he says--but I respect his right to have his say and his courage to stand for something, regardless of whether it is popular or not. |
Good_Company50 15.02.2007 11:05 |
Adam said: Why don't people say, "I don't like it"? Rather than, "It is..." shit. I never understand that cause it makes it read a little thoughtless and almost childish, that way. I agree wholeheartedly! Just because someone doesn't like something, it doesn't make it worthless. Everyone has different tastes in entertainment. It would be more intelligent to point out WHY they do or don't like it using specific examples instead of making a blanket statement like "It is shit" or "It was Fab." |
Serry... 15.02.2007 11:32 |
Good_Company50 wrote: It would be more intelligent to point out WHY they do or don't like it using specific examples instead of making a blanket statement like "It is shit" or "It was Fab."Only you and Adam perhaps can explain why they like/love or don't like/love something. Why do you love your children? Why do you love your parents? Why do you love Queen's music? I don't like the musical. I say that. I'm not gonna use "Well I like it... Not as other musicals though... It's good, but not that so good... It could be better even..." word-combinations just because it makes things more diplomatic or "adult". We ain't politicans here, aren't we? I can't imagine Freddie saying something like "Hey, guys, let's make musical, it has to be the not good musical, with not good story... Not shit on other hand"... Is that famous Queen's perfectionism?! It's like to say "Let's record album that will reach # 7 in the charts!". |
Good_Company50 15.02.2007 13:22 |
Serry... wrote:OK Serry. I'll show you an example of what I mean. Yes, I love Queen's music. Why? Because I think they (for the most part) write intelligent lyrics and interesting melodies. I enjoy their harmonies, etc. . .Good_Company50 wrote: It would be more intelligent to point out WHY they do or don't like it using specific examples instead of making a blanket statement like "It is shit" or "It was Fab."Only you and Adam perhaps can explain why they like/love or don't like/love something. Why do you love your children? Why do you love your parents? Why do you love Queen's music? I don't like the musical. I say that. I'm not gonna use "Well I like it... Not as other musicals though... It's good, but not that so good... It could be better even..." word-combinations just because it makes things more diplomatic or "adult". We ain't politicans here, aren't we? I can't imagine Freddie saying something like "Hey, guys, let's make musical, it has to be the not good musical, with not good story... Not shit on other hand"... Is that famous Queen's perfectionism?! It's like to say "Let's record album that will reach # 7 in the charts!". I don't like Rap, but I won't say "Rap is shit" because who am I to say whether it is good or bad? I WILL say I don't like it because I prefer music with more melody, or I don't understand the lyrics or something. Whether one likes something or not is not the point. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But it means more to say WHY one likes it or not instead of just saying "It was great!" or "It sucks!" Does that make more sense? |
Serry... 15.02.2007 13:54 |
Good_Company50 wrote: OK Serry. I'll show you an example of what I mean. Yes, I love Queen's music. Why? Because I think they (for the most part) write intelligent lyrics and interesting melodies. I enjoy their harmonies, etc. . . Does that make more sense?No, it doesn't. A lof of other bands write intelligent lyrics and interesting melodies - so what is the special in the Queen ones? If you can calculate and explain your love by any reasons - that's not love at all. IMHO. What would you say to your husband - "I love you" or "I prefer you to other guys, because you looks more cute, you have more hair on the head than that Tommy from the 5th avenue, your bike is bigger than my cousin had when we were kids etc. etc. etc."? So why do I have to explain why I hate something? That's my feelings, I'm not machine. |
Good_Company50 15.02.2007 15:50 |
[QUOTE So why do I have to explain why I hate something? That's my feelings, I'm not machine. Serry, dear, you don't have to explain anything. And of course you are not a machine. I'm just saying that it is more interesting to know what a person likes or dislikes about a certain thing and why. That's all. |
john bodega 15.02.2007 21:21 |
Good_Company50 wrote: Adam said: Why don't people say, "I don't like it"? Rather than, "It is..." shit. I never understand that cause it makes it read a little thoughtless and almost childish, that way. I agree wholeheartedly! Just because someone doesn't like something, it doesn't make it worthless. Everyone has different tastes in entertainment. It would be more intelligent to point out WHY they do or don't like it using specific examples instead of making a blanket statement like "It is shit" or "It was Fab."I agree with you 90%. Pearl Harbour was a shit movie though. |
Erin 15.02.2007 21:41 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Pearl Harbour was a shit movie though.Pearl Harbour is the only movie I've ever gone to where the audience clapped because it was over. |
Cwazy little thing 16.02.2007 05:37 |
I think some people might want to consider that Brian objects to many things, and he's more than entitled to do so on his website, and as far as I can see the thing most people have a problem with is his defence of WWRY. To be honest - he's never said its the best thing ever, but what he has said is it is different, entertaining, and popular and I personally wounldnt argue with that. His main objection is that critics, as often with Queen, rather than justifying their dislike, or making sensible constructive criticism try to score points, or think their being funny in thinking of original insults - this is not journalism, its just childish, and completely uninformative for anyone who genuinely wants to know what something is like; because of this I think Bri is totally justified in taking a pot shot at the press whenever he wants - theyve never hesitated to do the same to him. Also, note how he is fair - a journalist let him know that his site had been credited on an article where it previously hadnt been, and Brian thanked him, and praised him as a fine example of a good journalist on his soapbox, so fair play. I also have to agree with people expressing the sentiment that you cant just say something is shit- you have to be able to justify it - thats just called being intelligent and reasonable - something the kind of journalists Brian dislikes seem to be lacking in. Take the example above - Pearl Harbour - I agree - shit film; but why? Well - I can justify that statement - it was overlong, took ages to get to the point, had a completely unnecessary "GO AMERICA" ending which was only there so that US audiences didnt see a film where the US loses badly in some respect, which apparently the film makers didnt think they could handle, and it was full of questionable acting and a poor story line. The other example above of love is a bad one. Love is such a great mystery; the most subjective of feelings, that its almost impossible to define, and equally as difficult to justify. Other feelings and opinions are far more rational, and therefore easier to justify, and so should be, love is the exception - it cant be used to prove that you shouldnt have to justify saying you like or dislike something. |
Serry... 16.02.2007 07:12 |
CLT, as everyone else in this thread you use the others' words and base your comment on other words, but not on my own words although it's supposed that you argue with me (I've used word "shit" here about musical) - in our case those are words by Adam. I wrote that musical is shit, I wrote that story is very bad, but no-one bothers to re-read the second part of my sentence. You don't like the story of that movie and you call it as shit. I don't like the story of that musical, I don't like the whole idea of the musical, I don't like those cheap parodies on Queen songs by untalented artists that's why I called it as shit. Any reasons why you like or don't like something are weak, because they always are arguable. That's my opinion. And talking again about the musical - if it's not the best, if it's not very good, why it wasn't closed? Queen have never bothered themselves to play live most of the songs from Hot Space after the Hot Space tour. They didn't like the album, okay, forget about it, let's do something new and better. That famous Queen scheme doesn't work anymore. Brainless journalists are still working, the bad musicals are still playing. |
john bodega 16.02.2007 09:18 |
"I can justify that statement - it was overlong, took ages to get to the point, had a completely unnecessary "GO AMERICA" ending which was only there so that US audiences didnt see a film where the US loses badly in some respect, which apparently the film makers didnt think they could handle, and it was full of questionable acting and a poor story line." I nearly gave myself a prolapse from laughing too hard when one of the protagonists died... CHUMP1: You're gonna be a father... CHUMP2: No..... YOU ARE... (dies) |
Boy Thomas Raker 16.02.2007 09:59 |
"I don't like the story of that musical, I don't like the whole idea of the musical, I don't like those cheap parodies on Queen songs by untalented artists that's why I called it as shit." Those are very valid points, Serry, but you'll never convince anyone who feels that Queen can do no wrong. Personally, I feel the idea of a musical based on a story that is shaped by a band's catalogue is flawed to begin with. And yes, despite the fact that they are fantastically talented performers in every version of WWRY, the songs have been done in the definitive version already. I don't want to hear Bohemian Rhapsody sung in a contrived story, by performers I wouldn't pay $5 to see if they were at a club down the street. WWRY is basically Queen songs by a great cover band, with fabulous effects and a duff story. For the people who want a night of nostalgia and entertainment, that's great, there's nothing wrong with an evening of escapist entertainment. But that's what it is. Brian appears to feel that WWRY is immune to criticism based on the fact that they can put bums in seats. Not the case. |
The Real Wizard 18.02.2007 12:46 |
Serry... wrote:Just because it didn't do well in your country doesn't mean it awaits a similar fate in every other country.Adam Baboolal wrote: If it's so shit, how come it still survives after 5 years?It survived in Russia for the less than 5 months and was closed. Serry... wrote: I don't like the story of that musical, I don't like the whole idea of the musical, I don't like those cheap parodies on Queen songs by untalented artists that's why I called it as shit.So are you saying I've suddenly become untalented because I'm playing guitar in WWRY Toronto? |
Serry... 18.02.2007 13:35 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Just because it didn't do well in your country doesn't mean it awaits a similar fate in every other country.Just because it didn't do well in my country it means it was not so successful worldwide as Brian forces us to think. It was one of the biggest ever flops here. Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: So are you saying I've suddenly become untalented because I'm playing guitar in WWRY Toronto?I don't know you as guitarist and I don't know if you're a talented guitarist or not, I can suspect both options. But whom I've heard - yes, they were ordinary players, nothing special, nothing to say "wow!" about. I've got strange feeling that people here are trying to defend WWRY only from desire to argue with me or other guys who doesn't hide their feelings about that piece of "art", but not because they're really the WWRY fans... |
The Real Wizard 18.02.2007 22:58 |
Serry... wrote: Just because it didn't do well in my country it means it was not so successful worldwide as Brian forces us to think. It was one of the biggest ever flops here.WWRY has been successful worldwide... just not including Russia. I don't know what is motivating such bitterness in you. Surely there is something more positive you could be doing with your time. Or if you insist on complaining, perhaps you could spend your energy on something worth complaining about. If not, then you've got it pretty good if Brian's love for his musical is the biggest problem on your plate. I don't know you as guitarist and I don't know if you're a talented guitarist or not, I can suspect both options. But whom I've heard - yes, they were ordinary players, nothing special, nothing to say "wow!" about.In Toronto, it's only professional unionized musicians who play in theatres - and I'd like to assume that the other WWRY cities have the same standard. At the Toronto auditions, I was in quite elite company. The majority of the guys auditioning have been playing professionally for at least 10-20 years, and they are top notch musicians. I really don't know how you can judge the level of talent of people involved in WWRY, since you are obviously not a professional musician, actor, singer, or dancer yourself. The music is challenging, the singers are incredibly good, and the choreography is outstanding and surely challenging to keep up with. Some of the people in the chorus are understudying two leads - not just one. You can't possibly say these people aren't talented. You're showing your ignorance of theatre right now. You're entitled to not like the musical, but you clearly have a personal agenda that consists of slamming anything related to the musical. I can tolerate people having their opinions I disagree with, but when someone attacks the musicians and the cast on a professional level, that's when I have to step in. So quit while you're ahead. You're wrong. Completely wrong. |
Serry... 19.02.2007 02:18 |
In other words I'm an asshole and wanker (although I don't know how do you know that I'm obviously not a professional musician, actor, singer, or dancer... Especially dancer! How it's possible to find in my replies that I'm not a dancer?) who's spending his time on the wrong things which are only for judgement by professional musicians, actors, singers and dancers (although I can't understand why they sell their records in the public shops then and why customers can't judge about something what they've bought), Bob. That would be much shorter and easy to understand for non-English speaking man. You're entitled to like the musical, but you clearly have a personal agenda that consists of defending anything related to the musical to which you personally involved. |
john bodega 19.02.2007 03:28 |
"I really don't know how you can judge the level of talent of people involved in WWRY, since you are obviously not a professional musician, actor, singer, or dancer yourself." .... well, maybe he's a critic! |
john bodega 19.02.2007 03:39 |
"You're entitled to like the musical, but you clearly have a personal agenda that consists of defending anything related to the musical to which you personally involved." Nah you've got the wrong end of the stick. I believe he sticks up purely for the musicians working on WWRY; running through that much Queen at any level isn't fucking easy.... One working in the musical might find the story ridiculous and contrived, but those are criticisms that ought to be aimed higher up - and not at the 'talent' so to speak. |
Serry... 19.02.2007 04:05 |
This is why I wrote that no-one has to explain why he hates or loves something, there's always someone who'd come and would try to explain you why your reasons are weak... |
john bodega 19.02.2007 04:46 |
"there's always someone who'd come and would try to explain you why your reasons are weak..." A fair percentage of the time I might agree with that - Bob had a point though. Take issue with Brian, with Roger, with Ben Elton ; there's nothing weak about (rightly) maintaining that a lot of the musicians etcetera who do WWRY are pretty frigging good at what they do. |
Serry... 19.02.2007 05:05 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Take issue with Brian, with Roger, with Ben Elton ; there's nothing weak about (rightly) maintaining that a lot of the musicians etcetera who do WWRY are pretty frigging good at what they do.In my opinion - they're not so good (I've seen better at least). So what? We have different views on who is good musician/artist/actor/singer/dancer and who is not, probably. What's the point of the discussion about opinions? It will change nothing - not for you, not for me - you'll like the musical as you did before, I won't like it as I did before neither. They've asked me why I called is as shit - I gave my honest answer, end of story, but for some people it's just a start of long useless discussion why I'm wrong (completely wrong) or right. |
john bodega 19.02.2007 05:24 |
"In my opinion - they're not so good (I've seen better at least)." True, but I've seen worse too! "What's the point of the discussion about opinions?" You are on a forum; traditionally, people discuss their opinions in places like this. "It will change nothing - not for you, not for me - you'll like the musical as you did before, I won't like it as I did before neither." True - but why then did you feel the need to join in? Couldn't you just nod sagely from the outside? |
Serry... 19.02.2007 05:36 |
"You are on a forum; traditionally, people discuss their opinions in places like this." People share their opinions on forums. You may agree or disagree with someone's opinion, but to tell that "your opinion is completely wrong" is useless. Fact can be completely wrong, but not opinion. If I'd say "they can't play on their instruments" - that will be completely wrong fact, but when I've said "they're untalented" - you may disagree with me and nothing more. See the difference? "True - but why then did you feel the need to join in? Couldn't you just nod sagely from the outside?" When they've asked me why I called it as shit. They've asked me - I replied to them. Why I called it as shit and who forced me to say that - I'm on forum, that's why I've shared my opinion here. * * - opinion about the musical, opinion about something Queen related, not about who's an arsehole in this thread, who's not professional dancer on QZ etc. |
john bodega 19.02.2007 07:21 |
"If I'd say "they can't play on their instruments" - that will be completely wrong fact, but when I've said "they're untalented" - you may disagree with me and nothing more. See the difference?" Hmmm.... comes down to what 'talent' is though. I'm not even sure there's a clear consensus of what the word means. Does talent actually exist? Can any old person become a guitar god?? Does it take a certain talent to be able to play in WWRY (even at what you might think a subpar level)? I mean, when you say 'untalented' - do you mean no talent at all, or just less talent than David Gilmour? |
Serry... 19.02.2007 08:07 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I mean, when you say 'untalented' - do you mean no talent at all, or just less talent than David Gilmour?Not enough talented for playing Queen songs publically for money. Not enough talented for making that musical best ever. If it was not to be supposed to be the best ever - that's another case then... Non-Queen case at all, IMHO. As it was clearly stated by Boy Thomas Raker above "I don't want to hear Bohemian Rhapsody sung in a contrived story, by performers I wouldn't pay $5 to see if they were at a club down the street". |
john bodega 19.02.2007 08:19 |
"As it was clearly stated by Boy Thomas Raker above "I don't want to hear Bohemian Rhapsody sung in a contrived story, by performers I wouldn't pay $5 to see if they were at a club down the street"." Thats actually something I agree with. Far be it for me to shoot down the performers though... My beef is really more with Brian for letting a story like that through. |
Boy Thomas Raker 19.02.2007 09:01 |
Just to reiterate, I think that most of the musicians and singers are fantastically talented. Maybe in Russia, and this may be an uninformed statement, with the relative newness of rock music the players aren't as comfortable with rock music. I apologize if that's not the case, I just know how difficult it was to get Queen stuff until the late 80s or early 90s. However, I still think for WWRY in Canada and the US, the players are fantastic, but they're like a very, very good cover band, and since the story has nothing to do with Queen, I'm not paying big $ to see the musical. I'll try to take in a matinee to support Sir GH, I think that this is fantastic for him. |
Bobby_brown 19.02.2007 10:07 |
The problem with the Russia cast was Vodka! (Sweet Russia, i just love it!) Loose the Vodka and it will be O.K ; ) I can understand that something went wrong in Russia and Serry must be right based on the Russian experience because it flopped! Períod. I don´t know if the story was bad, or the actors and musicians sucked big time, or if the tranlations of the songs didn´t worked out. Or, like in Madrid, the terrorism make people affraid of theatres (Russia had a big problem in a theatre some years ago, where 500 people died after a gas was injected on the air-conditioned conducts). Whatever the problem was, it must not be repeated. Now, in England i can assure you that the musicians were top notch. Phil Hilbourne was the guitarrist, and this guy writes for the Guitar Techniques magazine where he proves he can play almost everything. But don´t forget that this guys must play perfectelly clear every performance. I remember a couple of years ago someone mailed Brian asking if they were playing the songs with a tape, because everything was perfect. Of course they weren´t because the band plays live. This is the kind of quality that Queen are after for their shows. And don´t forget they are playing other peoples songs and are limited with what they can do each night. They just can´t go improvising their stuff like crazy. I really admire this kind of musicians, because they have the balls to do it. If i were a professional musician i would never put myself in this position. It´s very stressfull. It´s more easy to form a band and act cool...and be good looking! So i can understand Serry because the fact is that it flopped! There´s nothing we can say about it. But on the other hand the British version must be good, because i´ve met people in Portugal who absolutelly loved it and it passed the Million mark. Everyone has different experiences! I just want to say something about Brian: Serry, the reason Brian is so protective about the show is because he´s the "Boss" (so to speak). He´s acting like a leader. Of course he knows the show has some problems, that´s why he says the show isn´t static. It changes through time. If problems arise, he deals with them privatelly, but in public he will always stays supportive of his "troups". You don´t see Donald Trump saying a bad word about is business or his employees. If he has a problem with someone, he just fires him. If Brian trully believes in this show (he must believe, otherwise it wouldn´t make sense to do it), he must trully say it out loud, and never allow the press to disturb his cast. Imagine a musician reading those critics about the show, and the bosses satying quiet and don´t defend them. This would be bad for their motivation, and above all the musicians would start to believe that Queen think like the critics because they didn´t come to public to deffend the cast. Brian is utilizing his soapbox for supporting the cast in each country, and he knows that sometimes a word coming from him has twice the good effect on the cast, and this will reflect on the performances. This is just to say that´s it´s absolutelly normal to deffend what is your´s with all your energy! Take care |
gnomo 19.02.2007 11:01 |
Totally agree with Bobby_brown, and, BTW: am I the only one who does NOT dislike the story...? |
Serry... 19.02.2007 12:07 |
"Where he proves he can play almost everything. But dont forget that this guys must play perfectelly clear every performance." I drive my car every day - that doesn't make me Michael Schumacher. Pupils of the art colleges are able to draw Mona Lisa, imitators can imitate Freddie's voice, etc. etc. etc. - it doesn't make them THAT special. As I wrote - they can play their instruments, they can do it fine, but if you were not born with that special spirit that makes you a gifted/talented musician - you always will be someone's imitator. Or an ordinary untalented musician. "Serry, the reason Brian is so protective about the show is because hes the "Boss" (so to speak)." Yes I know. I wrote to you about all those show biz tricks one week ago. Everything about WWRY and projects with Anita - are the high class pieces of the art. But if you understand that he li... sorry, I mean - says not the whole truth or too much diplomatic and corrected truth - then I can't understand what you're trying to prove me. |
Matias Merçeauroix 19.02.2007 12:16 |
Serry... wrote: "Where he proves he can play almost everything. But dont forget that this guys must play perfectelly clear every performance." I drive my car every day - that doesn't make me Michael Schumacher. Pupils of the art colleges are able to draw Mona Lisa, imitators can imitate Freddie's voice, etc. etc. etc. - it doesn't make them THAT special. As I wrote - they can play their instruments, they can do it fine, but if you were not born with that special spirit that makes you a gifted/talented musician - you always will be someone's imitator. Or an ordinary untalented musician.*reads* *breathes deeply* Hey, Oh ALMIGHTY Master of ALL Knowledge, do you really think it's easy to imitate Freddie's voice and sing Queen songs while imitating Freddie's voice? Do you think it's easy to imitate somebody else's style?? Do you think someone who can imitate LOTS (or at least just one) of AMAZING singers (and do it fine) it's not THAT special? I repeat Do you really think it's easy to imitate Freddie's voice and sing Queen songs while imitating Freddie's voice? Can you do that? |
Serry... 19.02.2007 12:46 |
Someone said it is easy? Who it was? |
Bobby_brown 19.02.2007 13:08 |
Serry... wrote: "Where he proves he can play almost everything. But dont forget that this guys must play perfectelly clear every performance." I drive my car every day - that doesn't make me Michael Schumacher. Pupils of the art colleges are able to draw Mona Lisa, imitators can imitate Freddie's voice, etc. etc. etc. - it doesn't make them THAT special. As I wrote - they can play their instruments, they can do it fine, but if you were not born with that special spirit that makes you a gifted/talented musician - you always will be someone's imitator. Or an ordinary untalented musician.I know what you´re mean. Let´s see if i can explain: Try the classical music. You don´t find anyone (appart very few exceptions) who has made a name playing their own stuff, and no one cares about it! You have Itzack Perlman playing the Paganini caprices for violin and he is now considered one of the best violin players ever, because he can nail very dificult pieces and add them the feeling. You have opera singers, piano players, etc who are considered great in what they do. Now, the musical genius behind that are Mozart, Bach, Puccini, etc. And no one questions that, but hey... they´re all gonne! The only reason you can feel all those great emotions when you hear a Mozart simphony (or whoever you like), is because today´s musicians had to learn the songs, and it takes some hard work to be an orchestra musician. In the end they are not known for their composer qualities but for their performance qualities. They are imitators, you´re right but that isn´t a bad thing when in the right context. This is what i´m talking about: I don´t know about the WWRY in Russia, but in England they have very good performance musicians. They´re not being recognized for their composing qualities, but they are indeed musicians. What do i find so special about them?- The hability to play flawless every time. This is indeed a gift (the gift of hard working and precise concentration). As you know, Brian is driving his car for almost 40 years, and sometimes (Philadelphia 2005) he can really hit some bad chords or notes - and he´s playing his stuff!- Now, this kind of thing isn´t allowed in this kind of performance. People don´t want to hear you hit the wrong note. Note: I´ve never heard anyone trying to imitate Freddie- Never! And i´m being serious. What you have in WWRY is guys who can hit the high notes and preferentially a look-a-like tone in his voice. (you know what happens if they try to imitate him- having said this, of course they have to follow the original feeling of the songs). "Serry, the reason Brian is so protective about the show is because hes the "Boss" (so to speak)." Yes I know. I wrote to you about all those show biz tricks one week ago. Everything about WWRY and projects with Anita - are the high class pieces of the art. But if you understand that he li... sorry, I mean - says not the whole truth or too much diplomatic and corrected truth - then I can't understand what you're trying to prove me.But i´m not aknowlwedging that he´s not saying the truth. I trully believe he likes the show (and Roger and John too by the way)and he´s very passionate about it. What i say is that he trully supports his cast, and this is the right thing to do- in any company!- If he has internal problems to solve, then let him solve them internally. A good leader never, NEVER, resolves private problems in public. Basic principle of management. And he´s being protective about them, because he knows the effect a bad (cruel) critic might have in the concentration of the performer. (this is not adjusting to showbizz, this is do the right thing!) You don´t spend that king of money producing something that you don´t believe in the first place |
Matias Merçeauroix 19.02.2007 13:15 |
My point is that someone who can imitate a good singer, a good guitarist, a good WHATEVER, is actually a very good musician... it's not just a copy. Who can imitate Freddie... who can REALLY imitate Freddie? I just know one person that sounds exactly like Freddie when he wants to, and sometimes you can't tell (Valensia) Then, being an imitator it's not an easy task. Because if you can REALLY imitate one of the best singers ever, then you're not just an imitator... you're an outstanding singer too! I don't really give a fuck about the people who play on WWRY, because I don't know them, I've never heard anything about it and I don't care... but I mean, we all can play any Led Zep song but... can you REALLY play a led zep song, as sloppy as Jimmy Page does?? It's not an easy task... trying to imitate Page's sloppiness. Y'know. On the other hand, someone that sounds JUST LIKE Steve Vai, it's an amazing guitar player. |
The Real Wizard 19.02.2007 13:25 |
Serry... wrote: You're entitled to like the musical, but you clearly have a personal agenda that consists of defending anything related to the musical to which you personally involved.Don't shift the attention to what you think is my "personal agenda". We're talking about your unjustified criticism of talented musicians right now. But for the record, I definitely do not have a personal agenda. I love the musical and I'm proud to be part of it, but I don't go out of my way to say that at every opportunity, unlike the way you feel the need to consistently express your distaste for the musical. I simply responded to things you said that were wrong. Even after my last post, you are still somehow convinced that the musicians are poor. Bobby Brown already pointed out, very eloquently, the possibilities of why you think the band wasn't good in Moscow. No need to repeat anything he said. This is why I wrote that no-one has to explain why he hates or loves something, there's always someone who'd come and would try to explain you why your reasons are weak...Not at all. If you take the time to justify why you feel a certain way about something, people will respect you for your expressiveness and honesty. |
Serry... 19.02.2007 13:27 |
Bobby_Brown, you won't change my mind however you'll try. I won't believe in that Saint Brian conception, I won't like the musical, I won't change my opinion about untalented musicians, because this is what I feel. You may ask moderators to ban me, you may wish me death (I've got some mails in my mailbox yesterday with such lovely wishes, the amazing b-day present from the kind QZ people), but I still will be the QPR and WWRY antagonist. EDIT: All the said above can be repeat to other Bob. |
Gratzi 19.02.2007 13:59 |
Serry... wrote: Bobby_Brown, you won't change my mind however you'll try. I won't believe in that Saint Brian conception, I won't like the musical, I won't change my opinion about untalented musicians, because this is what I feel. You may ask moderators to ban me, you may wish me death (I've got some mails in my mailbox yesterday with such lovely wishes, the amazing b-day present from the kind QZ people), but I still will be the QPR and WWRY antagonist. EDIT: All the said above can be repeat to other Bob.Intriguing... don't necessarily agree, though, especially with the QPR part. ( but makes me wonder ) |
Bobby_brown 19.02.2007 14:01 |
Serry... wrote: Bobby_Brown, you won't change my mind however you'll try. I won't believe in that Saint Brian conception, I won't like the musical, I won't change my opinion about untalented musicians, because this is what I feel. You may ask moderators to ban me, you may wish me death (I've got some mails in my mailbox yesterday with such lovely wishes, the amazing b-day present from the kind QZ people), but I still will be the QPR and WWRY antagonist. EDIT: All the said above can be repeat to other Bob.Look, as i said to you in the "other" discussion i don´t wish you any bad at all. And if you read my posts, you know that it´s not my style at all- i don´t even comment on the death threats. I like passionate discussions, but nothing more. I´m not trying to change your mind, i´m just saying that we shouldn´t generelize, and i deeply believe that in tecent years you have developed some anymosity towards Brian. Why? Take care |
Sebastian 19.02.2007 15:35 |
As for comparing orchestral performers with WWRY musicians: it's not the same playing a very complicated violin piece than doing a ten-chord rock/pop song. As for flawless performers ought to be respected: I agree, indeed there seem to be some lads out there who can play Brian's stuff better than Brian (or more accurately), because they're more careful about that. It's funny though that if a cover band makes mistakes during a solo, they're booed off the stage; if Brian makes a total hash out of one, those who complain get insulted. Double standards again. As for Brian's way to defend the musical, I've already expressed my opinion. But indeed it seems that he considers everything he's participated on (including things by the band as a whole) to be the musical pinnacle of all-time. If we followed his perspective, then 'Thriller' is inspired by 'Hot Space', 'Mr Bad Guy' is pants because Brian doesn't play there, and so on... Btw, happy birthday Serry! (better late than never) |
Bobby_brown 19.02.2007 19:19 |
Sebastian wrote: As for comparing orchestral performers with WWRY musicians: it's not the same playing a very complicated violin piece than doing a ten-chord rock/pop song.It´s the same concept. And you don´t find in this kind of business (musicals) anyone less passionate than Brian. All i say is that it is normal to defend your work. What´s wrong about Brian defending something he believes and has put his time and energy? Do you know any successfull producer less passionate about his work than Brian? Don´t need to answer, this is going nowhere. It´s his live, his songs, his work, i don´t know why this is even discussed. He does what is best for him and really it´s not of our business. Take care |
The Real Wizard 19.02.2007 19:39 |
Sebastian wrote: As for comparing orchestral performers with WWRY musicians: it's not the same playing a very complicated violin piece than doing a ten-chord rock/pop song.Yeah, anyone can play that solo from BoRhap and make it sound like Brian. More seriously... You must keep in mind that not every gig in this world challenges the musician to his or her fullest. Example: Steve Gadd played drums at Simon and Garfunkel's Central Park '81 concert. That stuff is definitely way below him. |
john bodega 19.02.2007 20:37 |
"anyone can play that solo from BoRhap and make it sound like Brian." Then why do so many people botch it on Youtube..... hehe. "I won't believe in that Saint Brian conception, I won't like the musical, I won't change my opinion about untalented musicians, because this is what I feel." One would be mad to ask you to change your mind completely. Understand.... in all the WWRY casts, the musicians won't always be as untalented as the one you saw. There'll be worse ones and better ones - ones that create their own stuff, but work on WWRY because it's a bit of fun and they like Queen.... You don't have to like it, but you could accept that not everyone who has ever done WWRY is a mindless automaton that can't do anything but copy. |
Serry... 20.02.2007 00:55 |
Bobby_brown wrote: I´m not trying to change your mind, i´m just saying that we shouldn´t generelize, and i deeply believe that in tecent years you have developed some anymosity towards Brian. Why?Very simple: because you reply to me when I say something negative about him. When I say something good - you don't reply, that's why you memory keeps only "bad" stuff by Serry. You know, we have threads here like "The highlights of year" and do you know what I've called as highlights of 2005 and 2006? Brian in Tromso with Gasparyan and discovering of that his demo of cover of Elvis' song. Do you know with whom from Queen I've met twice during last two years? With Brian. Do you know whom I consider as very gentle and sweet guy and whom the only one from Queen I've thanked on my site? Brian. Do you know who got my money because I've bought all those re-releases of re-issues of re-mastered albums? Brian. Do you know what I'll say if Brian would phone me and say "Hey Serry, you little Russian moron, would you go with me and hang all those fox hunters and people who're smoking everywhere?"? I'll say "Sure, Sir!". I agree with Brian's opinion about one certain President of one certain big country. I was proud when Brian got his CBE etc. etc. etc. But, Bobby, if Bri will phone me and say "Hey Serry, you little Russian moron, will you go with me and make fools of Queen fans by telling them about Freddie being chairman of the Paul Rodgers fan club and WWRY being the best event in the theatre history? I must do it, I'm their Boss!" - I'll tell him "No". If he will phone me and say "Let's go, you little Russian moron, and call my fans, who are the most loyal fans in the world, who's bought damned Don't Stop Me Now video on every single re-release - GF, GFI&II, GVH, J etc., teens fans of myself who save their cash to buy my not so cheap releases, so let's go and call 'em as parasites!" - I'll tell him "No Dr Bri!". I hope you see my point. This is not about I agree with him or not, this is about relations between people who trust you, who love you, who respects you, who requests on QZ album of that damned Mika, who has nothing to do with Queen, but only because Brian promotes him - you have to have some more respect to them, you have to turn your head into the audience while you sing WATC "and I thank you all!" as Freddie always did... |
mike hunt 20.02.2007 01:19 |
It's funny people like "Sir" will defend brian regardless of what he say's and does. I consider him more of a brian may fan than a Queen fan. |
Sebastian 20.02.2007 06:53 |
Cheers Serry, this is one of the best posts I've ever read here on QZ. |
Bobby_brown 20.02.2007 09:47 |
Serry... wrote:Serry, you have to be congruent with what you say. The only reason i keep reply to this is because you have the same limitation as i- we have to express ourselves in a diferent language.Bobby_brown wrote: I´m not trying to change your mind, i´m just saying that we shouldn´t generelize, and i deeply believe that in tecent years you have developed some anymosity towards Brian. Why?Very simple: because you reply to me when I say something negative about him. When I say something good - you don't reply, that's why you memory keeps only "bad" stuff by Serry. You know, we have threads here like "The highlights of year" and do you know what I've called as highlights of 2005 and 2006? Brian in Tromso with Gasparyan and discovering of that his demo of cover of Elvis' song. Do you know with whom from Queen I've met twice during last two years? With Brian. Do you know whom I consider as very gentle and sweet guy and whom the only one from Queen I've thanked on my site? Brian. Do you know who got my money because I've bought all those re-releases of re-issues of re-mastered albums? Brian. Do you know what I'll say if Brian would phone me and say "Hey Serry, you little Russian moron, would you go with me and hang all those fox hunters and people who're smoking everywhere?"? I'll say "Sure, Sir!". I agree with Brian's opinion about one certain President of one certain big country. I was proud when Brian got his CBE etc. etc. etc. But, Bobby, if Bri will phone me and say "Hey Serry, you little Russian moron, will you go with me and make fools of Queen fans by telling them about Freddie being chairman of the Paul Rodgers fan club and WWRY being the best event in the theatre history? I must do it, I'm their Boss!" - I'll tell him "No". If he will phone me and say "Let's go, you little Russian moron, and call my fans, who are the most loyal fans in the world, who's bought damned Don't Stop Me Now video on every single re-release - GF, GFI&II, GVH, J etc., teens fans of myself who save their cash to buy my not so cheap releases, so let's go and call 'em as parasites!" - I'll tell him "No Dr Bri!". I hope you see my point. This is not about I agree with him or not, this is about relations between people who trust you, who love you, who respects you, who requests on QZ album of that damned Mika, who has nothing to do with Queen, but only because Brian promotes him - you have to have some more respect to them, you have to turn your head into the audience while you sing WATC "and I thank you all!" as Freddie always did... Having said this, i can only say that if this is what you feel, then in the past you have expressed yourself in the wrong way- or at least you have sent a diferent message from the one you intended to send. I don´t reply only when you say bad things about Brian. No, no. I´m very aware about what you´ve said of the best things that happened last year. But when you say that one of the good things was the discover of the demo "His latest flame" (and "Mr.Bad Guy- remix"), this is not saying anything good about Brian. This only states that you enjoyed to have a new song in the collection. In the past couple of years you´ve stated very bad things about Brian´s personality- this is when i reply! We´ve had a very big discussion about the credits of IWIA (as you remember), and you´ve said pretty nasty things about Brian. And that was because the song was credit to him on the GVH2!- If you read again what i´ve said, you realize that you shouldn´t have said those things in the first place, because in the latest issues of Queen+PR the song is credit to Queen. So, probably there was a printing mistake!- But you and Brenski have already said what you re |
Serry... 20.02.2007 11:35 |
"this is not saying anything good about Brian. This only states that you enjoyed to have a new song in the collection." Wrong. I enjoyed the GOOD song to my collection, that's the difference. "And that was because the song was credit to him on the GVH2! So, probably there was a printing mistake!" Printintg mistake happened about three or four times on other releases as well. Printing mistakes happened only with Brian's name and only in the songs which really was written by Brian... I haven't changed my opinion about that issue also - I don't know if it's about money or it's about his own ego. I don't know. I can be wrong here. "Last week you´ve even stated that you feel that Brian is envy of Freddie because he could write better songs." I have never said that - not on the last week, not on the last year - you miss me with someone's else. Everyone who says bad about Brian - is Serry now perhaps. (Serry, whose fave ever song is Brian's The Show Must Go On wrote that Brian couldn't write good songs?) "you´ve even stated at this very topic that you don´t believe in Saint Brian." Yes. I don't believe in Saint Brian, you believe, probably. That's your choice. You've painted the romantic Brian in your mind - okay. Enjoy. No-one can say something about Brian otherwise they should be banned - okay (yes, I remember that thread as well as you). But I've researched (and it's well known on QZ) the business side of Queen and I know which place Brian takes in that Empire, so please don't tell me about money anymore. You don't know facts to judge about it. I do. Not all of them, but a lot of facts. "Is this what you feel, or i didn´t understand your point of view?- because this was the message you´ve sent to Queenzone." If you ask me in the first part of sentence, why do you give the answer in the second? No, it wasn't my message. Simply because you put someone's words in my mouth. "if they want to make a living they have to play in clubs and in musicals because they have bills to pay, and sometimes this is a good way of meeting the right people." Am I the only child in the family of millionares or who? Are you that child? C'mon man, don't put me that shit about their so hard lives, most of us have to work to pay the bills, and my job isn't easier than their job. And by the way I live in the country with ocean of economic troubles where you can lose everything during one day! So please don't tell me these fairy tales about their hard jobs, we all are working hard. It has nothing to do with our talents. About untalented musicians - I don't want to repeat that all again. Re-read what I've said about them if you again wanna know what I think. |
Bobby_brown 20.02.2007 13:21 |
Serry... wrote: "this is not saying anything good about Brian. This only states that you enjoyed to have a new song in the collection." Wrong. I enjoyed the GOOD song to my collection, that's the difference.I never questioned that you enjoy Brian´s music. I only question your remarks about is personality. "And that was because the song was credit to him on the GVH2! So, probably there was a printing mistake!" Printintg mistake happened about three or four times on other releases as well. Printing mistakes happened only with Brian's name and only in the songs which really was written by Brian... I haven't changed my opinion about that issue also - I don't know if it's about money or it's about his own ego. I don't know. I can be wrong here.But that´s the thing here, when you remark things like this you don´t need to go further because it´s clear what you think about it. "Last week you´ve even stated that you feel that Brian is envy of Freddie because he could write better songs." I have never said that - not on the last week, not on the last year - you miss me with someone's else. Everyone who says bad about Brian - is Serry now perhaps. (Serry, whose fave ever song is Brian's The Show Must Go On wrote that Brian couldn't write good songs?)Serry, here´s what you´ve said: "That was the point of the guys who think that Brian is jealous of Freddie (and IMO he is)". here´s the link: link It´s a shy remark, but it´s there, you feel Brian is jealous of Freddie ; ) (i read everything) There´s a couple of persons in Queenzone whose opinions i respect, and i like to read their posts. You´re one of those persons, because you are passionate about this and i really respect that. "you´ve even stated at this very topic that you don´t believe in Saint Brian." Yes. I don't believe in Saint Brian, you believe, probably. That's your choice. You've painted the romantic Brian in your mind - okay. Enjoy. No-one can say something about Brian otherwise they should be banned - okay (yes, I remember that thread as well as you). But I've researched (and it's well known on QZ) the business side of Queen and I know which place Brian takes in that Empire, so please don't tell me about money anymore. You don't know facts to judge about it. I do. Not all of them, but a lot of facts.But the only fact that matters is that it´s not our business. Roger, John and Freddie´s state all have their lawyers. Why loosing time with those issues?- We both know that John is smart enough in business. It´s their empire, and i don´t believe in Saint Brian or evil Brian too!- Not even the romantic Brian, because i don´t have anything to say about his business life. It´s not my business at all, what i say is that you don´t have access to more information than Roger or John and they´re still friend, so... Even if he has those issues you say he has, why take it so personally?- If it´s OK with the team, then it should be OK for everybody. I only say what i read, and i never heard anyone pointing out that side of Brian. As i stated (or he stated), he had looked for the authors of the original song in wich "See what a Fool i´ve been" was inspired. For "good Karma". Can Brian say one thing, and be the total oposite?- Possible, but i don´t have nothing that proves this.
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Serry... 20.02.2007 13:50 |
"Serry, here´s what you´ve said: "That was the point of the guys who think that Brian is jealous of Freddie (and IMO he is)". And in that reply I also wrote "That was their point (not mine, by the way)." - yes, I think he's a jealousy of fame of some Freddie's song. And I agree with him here - '39 could be the better hit than Body Language for instance, but his songs with his vocals weren't released as singles (except very few cases) - he talks about it in some documentaries even. But it's not about that Freddie wrote the better songs than Brian as you wrote (and as I "said")! "But the only fact that matters is that it´s not our business." Indeed, that's why I have never publish complete info about what I know in that area of Queen live. It's not my business. Being the businessman myself I respect they business. "Can Brian say one thing, and be the total oposite?" Nope, Brian is honest guy. He doesn't need someone's money, that's not his song, but on other hand IWIA is HIS song, so... Everything looks pretty logical and fair, IMHO. But it would be more fair if there'll be at least one release with printing error says "Hijack My Heart (Roger Taylor...ooops, sorry Queen)". "You have a musical, and you need musicians to play the songs, so you´re going to hire the most talented musicians to do it!" Yes, so they didn't find those talented musicians to do that job. Special remark to calm down everyone: in Russia at least. Though I've seen English version as well and it wasn't the best show neither. "We don´t have reasons to doubt Brian´s and Roger comments about Freddie liking Paul Rodgers" He named Lionel Richie once even, man! Jesus Christ, Freddie named Richie, but always forgot to name Paul Rodgers! JRD named ARN as his fave song, but Fred still fortgets to call the name of his "hero". I'm not gonna research for the all Freddie's interviews for the quotes about Hendrix, The Miracle's lyrics are more than enough for me. |
_Bijou_ 20.02.2007 15:08 |
You lot could bicker for England. *Tsk* |
Sebastian 20.02.2007 15:31 |
What's 'ARN'? Anyway ... about singles thing, I agree. They should have been more equitative about that imo. About Paul Rodgers, nobody's said Fred didn't admire him, but he was definitely NOT his favourite or his ultimate hero. When asked in mid-70s he said Robert Plant, when asked in '89 he said George Michael and Robert Plant. So perhaps Fred admired Paul and didn't mention that? Yes. Perhaps Paul was even in his top 10? Maybe. But, was Paul his favourite and his idol? Absolutely not. About IWIA, I couldn't agree more. But fuck 'Hijack My Heart' - credit 'Innuendo' or 'Under Pressure' to the people who really wrote them ... oh no! that would mean less royalties for Dr May ... no wonder why they didn't do that. |
Boy Thomas Raker 20.02.2007 16:47 |
Sebastian wrote: What's 'ARN'? |
Sebastian 20.02.2007 21:25 |
When and where did John say his favourite song was ARN? |
Serry... 21.02.2007 00:34 |
Sebastian wrote: When and where did John say his favourite song was ARN?link |
The Real Wizard 21.02.2007 01:01 |
mike hunt wrote: It's funny people like "Sir" will defend brian regardless of what he say's and does. I consider him more of a brian may fan than a Queen fan.Ha, that's a strange statement. I'm not defending Brian nearly as much as I'm simply acknowledging his right to have free speech like any one of us. Most people criticize rock stars for being out of touch with the real world, but when Brian May puts in his two cents, suddenly he's a bitter old man because expresses his opinions and acknowledges some negative things about the world. These people always tend to miss the positive things he says. Either that, or they dismiss those things as being unnecessary or as him growing senile. You just can't please some people. I'm a Queen fan, and anyone who knows me knows that's true. I definitely don't need to justify that here or anywhere else. But if it somehow floats your boat to hold the opinion that I'm only a Brian fan, then so be it! |
Sebastian 21.02.2007 04:56 |
Serry... wrote:Cheers Serry, that's priceless. It'd be interesting to know Brian's and Roger's lists as well. I hope Mami has them.Sebastian wrote: When and where did John say his favourite song was ARN?link |
Elizabeth Knightson 21.02.2007 05:24 |
I think Brian has the right to express himself. Why does he always do it by complaining about matters he's resentful about or by rejoicing about a Queen/WWRY/astonomical event? Just because, what do you think he can possibly say on his site? "Nothing special today. Woke up, took a shower,...I have no real opinion about what's going on in my country and in the world...ate an apple...I guess I'd better remain silent otherwise people will be amazed if I give a single little sign of integrity and personal opinion...." |
Bobby_brown 21.02.2007 10:15 |
Serry... wrote: "Serry, here´s what you´ve said: "That was the point of the guys who think that Brian is jealous of Freddie (and IMO he is)". And in that reply I also wrote "That was their point (not mine, by the way)." - yes, I think he's a jealousy of fame of some Freddie's song. And I agree with him here - '39 could be the better hit than Body Language for instance, but his songs with his vocals weren't released as singles (except very few cases) - he talks about it in some documentaries even. But it's not about that Freddie wrote the better songs than Brian as you wrote (and as I "said")!If that´s the case, then i´m sorry! As i said in the begining, it´s allways possible that we don´t express ourselves as we want, and in this case i guess i didn´t understood your ideas correctly. He named Lionel Richie once even, man! Jesus Christ, Freddie named Richie, but always forgot to name Paul Rodgers! JRD named ARN as his fave song, but Fred still fortgets to call the name of his "hero".Of course he did, and Stevie Wonder and Tears for Fears. As i said Freddie wasn´t very open when he talked about influences and the best he could do was "..I think he´s good, you know.." "They´re gonna be big..." "Talent will out..." "He writes good balads..." And probably he didn´t have any performer to look up for if you know what i mean. But that doesn´t mean that in private he didn´t showed is appreciation. I think it´s only normal for a Hard Rock band formed in 1970 that they´d listen to Free records and Zeppelin. It makes sense to me. I'm not gonna research for the all Freddie's interviews for the quotes about Hendrix, The Miracle's lyrics are more than enough for me.O_O You´re mean ; ) Just don´t forget his lyrics to "Somebody to Love"-... I just wanna be FREE! You know i will get you... you Russian Brian hater...you know i will : )) Take care of yourself, man! |
Mr.Jingles 21.02.2007 12:22 |
Sebastian wrote: What's 'ARN'? About IWIA, I couldn't agree more. But fuck 'Hijack My Heart' - credit 'Innuendo' or 'Under Pressure' to the people who really wrote them ... oh no! that would mean less royalties for Dr May ... no wonder why they didn't do that.Here comes another anti Brian May rant from Sebastian. Let me just say this, Brian May is not perfect (he's human) and I admit I criticize things that I consider he's done wrong (ej. his rants... some of which I consider go a bit too far at times). Now from there to say that he forced other band members to receive equal songwriting credits so he could have more money in his pocket is absolutely fuckin' ridiculous. It takes 4 band members to agree on such decision, you know? After all, it's not the first time that Sebastian makes up theories which he claims are facts about what went on during the recording sessions as if he was right there recording with them. |
Serry... 21.02.2007 13:30 |
"Now from there to say that he forced other band members to receive equal songwriting credits so he could have more money in his pocket is absolutely fuckin' ridiculous." I'm afraid you've completely missed the point of what was written about credits... |
Sebastian 21.02.2007 14:36 |
I didn't say he forced. Read again my comment and you'll see that I'm not suggesting that. |
Mr.Jingles 21.02.2007 20:48 |
Sebastian wrote: I didn't say he forced. Read again my comment and you'll see that I'm not suggesting that....but indeed you're trying make it seem as if Brian is always looking for new ways to steal credit for songs regardless of whether he came up with the original idea or he collaborated. Were you ever at the recording studio at the time? Everytime Brian mentions how he added his bits or brought ideas on a particular song, then you make it seem as if he's falsely claiming that he wrote, arranged, produced, and mixed the entire thing. Cut the man some slack for God's sake. |
Sebastian 21.02.2007 21:22 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:Then why on earth did I write "Keep in mind that Brian helped Freddie with some 'A Hard Life' lines" on the link thread?Sebastian wrote: I didn't say he forced. Read again my comment and you'll see that I'm not suggesting that....but indeed you're trying make it seem as if Brian is always looking for new ways to steal credit for songs regardless of whether he came up with the original idea or he collaborated. Were you ever at the recording studio at the time? Everytime Brian mentions how he added his bits or brought ideas on a particular song, then you make it seem as if he's falsely claiming that he wrote, arranged, produced, and mixed the entire thing. Cut the man some slack for God's sake. Don't be paranoid. I'm not denying he (along with Roger, Freddie and John) was (or is) a brilliant musician, lyric writer, producer ... an excellent all-round artist. I'm aware that he did write 'I Want It All' and that both he and Freddie wrote 'Mother Love', thus May and May/Mercury (or Mercury/May, I don't know and don't care...) credits are indeed accurate. What I'm criticising is that Brian has become too pig-headed lately, with things like that. And I find it unfair that they could break the "all by all" arrangement for ML and IWIA but they didn't do the sme with 'You Don't Fool Me', 'A Winter's Tale', 'Breakthru' or 'The Miracle'. Brian used to be quite fair when it came to credits and things: he admitted Bowie's chief role on 'Under Pressure' lyrics as well as 'The Hitman' riff being Freddie's (as a matter of fact he said he hadn't even been in the room at the time Fred came up with it). Now Brian is still a decent bloke, but much much less than before. And that's what buggers me. And I'm not meaning he's falsely claiming things for himself, just that he's not being equitative. |
Bobby_brown 22.02.2007 14:44 |
Sebastian wrote: And I find it unfair that they could break the "all by all" arrangement for ML and IWIA but they didn't do the sme with 'You Don't Fool Me', 'A Winter's Tale', 'Breakthru' or 'The Miracle'.First of all, you don´t know what the agreement was. And in the latest release of Queen+PR IWIA is credit to Queen. Secondly, explain to me how come the other three parties agreed on having "unfair" deals? You underestimate John and Roger´s inteligence when you make those assumptions. There is no way a band could last 20 years with that kind of behaviour. I know you may have your sources about what was going on in the studio, but many things you say about the Innuendo and MIH sessions is wrong. You just don´t own all the facts to justify your assumptions about what is fair or not. I rather believe John and Roger´s inteligence and integrity than rumours! Take care |
Sebastian 22.02.2007 15:40 |
The arrangement, as said by Queen themselves (and by Queen I mean Roger, John, Freddie and Brian, not Brian, Roger and Paul), was that no matter who was the writer, it would be credited to Queen. I'm not underestimating Roger's or John's intelligence, I'm just saying that it's unfair what happened with 'Mother Love', 'Headlong' and 'I Want It All'. You're right that I don't know the complete history, and probably I never will. Still, based on what I perceive, I still think that's unfair. And by that I don't mean Sir Dental Bridge and Duke Ostrich are idiots and I don't mean Dr Wig's a thief. I just mean that it's unfair that the agreement was conveniently broken in favour of Brian, instead of the four of them (such as opening up all the credits, including 'One Vision' and others). |
Brian_Mays_Wig 22.02.2007 16:30 |
I must admit that Brian May does piss me off quite a bit actually. The smoking rants, do you think he ever had the balls to say anything to Roger, John or Freddie? The Blatent plugging of the musical at every god forsaken opportunity...and noe that fooking book of stars, which is obviously the best book ever. His guitars....as nice as they look, theyre shite (mine was anyway) and it was gone after 6 months, Abusing the Queen brand with shit such as the 5ive collaboration, and the new DFS sofa commercial (both using Brian songs)....ker ching. In my opinion, they guy has sold out and lost the plot, which is a shame cos ive been a huge fan for over 20 years now and im beginning to find his rants pretty unbearable, yes, he should lighten up. |