| John S Stuart 29.01.2007 15:13 |
I am very interested in family history (or genealogy - it's the same thing) but, here in the UK we have to wait 100 years before Census returns can be published. The next UK census due to be released is the 1911 returns on Jan 2012. However, Downing Street is offering a petition for BRITISH CITIZENS, EXPATRIATES and ARMED FORCES to sign, which would reduce the census release period to 70 years, thus making the 1911, 1921 and 1931 censuses available online immediately. If you would like to add your name, please copy and paste this link onto your browser or just click on it and fill in your details. link |
| thomasquinn 32989 29.01.2007 15:16 |
Screw genealogy; census returns are invaluable for the reconstruction of British society by social historians!!!! Sign this petition if you know what's good for ya! |
| John S Stuart 29.01.2007 15:24 |
ThomasQuinn wrote: ...census returns are invaluable for the reconstruction of British society by social historians...So is that a good thing or a bad thing Thomas? |
| thomasquinn 32989 29.01.2007 15:30 |
John S Stuart wrote:LOL. Unless you had anything to do with the shaping of society at the time, I'd say it's a good thing :PThomasQuinn wrote: ...census returns are invaluable for the reconstruction of British society by social historians...So is that a good thing or a bad thing Thomas? |
| Ale Solan 29.01.2007 15:47 |
John S Stuart wrote: I am very interested in family history (or genealogy - it's the same thing) but, here in the UK we have to wait 100 years before Census returns can be published.I'm interested in genealogy too. I'm searching for Solan dudes and dudettes back there in Ireland. The first Solan's left in early 1800's. Any idea if I can peep on those records? I have no time right now to take a deep look. |
| thomasquinn 32989 29.01.2007 18:23 |
There is one major pitfall with genealogy: 5% (yes, 5%) of all children born are not fathered by the man whose surname they receive. That makes for a very shady family tree, as only ONE instance of this is necessary to break the line...and over dozens of generations...one WILL have occurred. |
| AspiringPhilosophe 29.01.2007 19:31 |
Are you serious?? The UK only does a Census every century??? Jeeze, the US does one every decade!!! And I thought the UK and Europe prized their history more than the US...they are sure making it difficult for future histroians if this is indeed true. |
| deleted user 29.01.2007 19:36 |
^ From what I gather, they conduct them every ten years, but only release the information publicly after 100 years. I am curious as to the reason why, though... |
| Eviltwin 29.01.2007 19:41 |
The UK doesn't TAKE a census every 100 years. They only RELEASE the census every 100 years. The US is the same. *(edit) give or take 30 years) Census information gathered is publicly released, but not names, addresses, employment, family members, etc. In the US, you can also not gain access to a persons birth certificate for 100 years, unless you can prove you are that persons direct decendent, ie..son/daughter. |
| thomasquinn 32989 29.01.2007 19:45 |
<font color=red>?Sasha wrote: The UK doesn't TAKE a census every 100 years. They only RELEASE the census every 100 years. The US is the same. Census information gathered is publicly released, but not names, addresses, employment, family members, etc. In the US, you can also not gain access to a persons birth certificate for 100 years, unless you can prove you are that persons direct decendent, ie..son/daughter.You can get special permission for research, too. |
| deleted user 29.01.2007 19:52 |
<font color=red>?Sasha wrote: Census information gathered is publicly released, but not names, addresses, employment, family members, etc.Ah... I get it now. XP I see the problem with those details being released, and I agree with shortening the time period to 70 years. It's not very likely someone who was living in X place in 1931 is still going to be there today (but someone probably is that ancient and still in their family home, just to be spiteful). |
| AspiringPhilosophe 29.01.2007 23:04 |
ah ha! thanks for clearing that up guys! :-) |
| Maz 30.01.2007 00:01 |
<font color=red>?Sasha wrote: The UK doesn't TAKE a census every 100 years. They only RELEASE the census every 100 years. The US is the same. Census information gathered is publicly released, but not names, addresses, employment, family members, etc. In the US, you can also not gain access to a persons birth certificate for 100 years, unless you can prove you are that persons direct decendent, ie..son/daughter.Forgive me if you know this, but it's unclear in your post, Sasha. The US releases their census records after 72 years, not 100, due to privacy laws. |
| The prophet's song 30.01.2007 04:39 |
Alex Solan? wrote:I was thinking the same thing, I want to see about any Lawrences in Kent and Twins in Greenwich.John S Stuart wrote: I am very interested in family history (or genealogy - it's the same thing) but, here in the UK we have to wait 100 years before Census returns can be published.I'm interested in genealogy too. I'm searching for Solan dudes and dudettes back there in Ireland. The first Solan's left in early 1800's. Any idea if I can peep on those records? I have no time right now to take a deep look. All I have is a list of every boat and its passengers carring settlers that arrived in Nelson some time in the 18th Centuary, and thats cos it came in the paper. |
| Flashman 30.01.2007 04:58 |
Try the electoral rolls, John. Not only does it provide you with names and addresses but, quite often, telephone numbers. Very handy if you're in the stalking/blackmailing/ money lending business. |
| thomasquinn 32989 30.01.2007 07:44 |
Flashman wrote: Very handy if you're in the stalking/blackmailing/ money lending business.Somehow, this remark does not surprise me...I wonder why... |
| Penetration_Guru 30.01.2007 13:00 |
<font color=red>?Sasha wrote: The UK doesn't TAKE a census every 100 years. They only RELEASE the census every 100 years. The US is the same. *(edit) give or take 30 years) Census information gathered is publicly released, but not names, addresses, employment, family members, etc. In the US, you can also not gain access to a persons birth certificate for 100 years, unless you can prove you are that persons direct decendent, ie..son/daughter.Also wrong. A census is released every 10 years, it's just 100 years after it was taken. You'd think English was a second language around here... |
| Eviltwin 30.01.2007 13:58 |
Penetration_Guru wrote:Also wrong...<font color=red>?Sasha wrote: The UK doesn't TAKE a census every 100 years. They only RELEASE the census every 100 years. The US is the same. *(edit) give or take 30 years) Census information gathered is publicly released, but not names, addresses, employment, family members, etc. In the US, you can also not gain access to a persons birth certificate for 100 years, unless you can prove you are that persons direct decendent, ie..son/daughter.Also wrong. A census is released every 10 years, it's just 100 years after it was taken. You'd think English was a second language around here... It's every 72 years. See above. You would think English was a second language around here. |
| Penetration_Guru 30.01.2007 15:24 |
<font color=red>?Sasha wrote:No. 72 years is the US. Do TRY and keep up...Penetration_Guru wrote:Also wrong... It's every 72 years. See above. You would think English was a second language around here.<font color=red>?Sasha wrote: The UK doesn't TAKE a census every 100 years. They only RELEASE the census every 100 years. The US is the same. *(edit) give or take 30 years) Census information gathered is publicly released, but not names, addresses, employment, family members, etc. In the US, you can also not gain access to a persons birth certificate for 100 years, unless you can prove you are that persons direct decendent, ie..son/daughter.Also wrong. A census is released every 10 years, it's just 100 years after it was taken. You'd think English was a second language around here... |
| Maz 30.01.2007 15:37 |
In the US (I won't speak for the UK as I don't know), census figures are released every 10 years as soon as they are determined. The numbers, however, are the grand totals and statistics that speak to overall demography, not the individualized results which take 72 years to get released. I suspect that is what PG is hinting at. IE - 2000 census released sometime after April 2000; however individualized results not released until April 2072. |
| Eviltwin 30.01.2007 16:14 |
Penetration_Guru wrote:Also wrong...<font color=red>?Sasha wrote:No. 72 years is the US. Do TRY and keep up...Penetration_Guru wrote:Also wrong... It's every 72 years. See above. You would think English was a second language around here.<font color=red>?Sasha wrote: The UK doesn't TAKE a census every 100 years. They only RELEASE the census every 100 years. The US is the same. *(edit) give or take 30 years) Census information gathered is publicly released, but not names, addresses, employment, family members, etc. In the US, you can also not gain access to a persons birth certificate for 100 years, unless you can prove you are that persons direct decendent, ie..son/daughter.Also wrong. A census is released every 10 years, it's just 100 years after it was taken. You'd think English was a second language around here... Take note: "The UK doesn't TAKE a census every 100 years. They only RELEASE the census every 100 years. The US is the same. *(edit) give or take 30 years) Census information gathered is publicly released, but not names, addresses, employment, family members, etc." Where do I say the UK releases a census every 72 years? I'm talking about the U.S. Do try to keep up. |
| Donna13 30.01.2007 17:14 |
From Wikipedia: "The United States Constitution mandates that the census be taken at least once every 10 years, and that the number of members of the House of Representatives from each state be determined accordingly ... By law ..., census records are sealed for 72 years. ... Thus, the most recent Census released to the public was the 1930 Census, released in 2002." I think that means we will see the 1940 census in 2012; the 1950 census in 2022, and so on. |
| Ale Solan 30.01.2007 17:39 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: You would think English was a second language around here.That comment sounded a *bit* bigot. |
| Maz 30.01.2007 22:10 |
Donna13 wrote: From Wikipedia: "The United States Constitution mandates that the census be taken at least once every 10 years, and that the number of members of the House of Representatives from each state be determined accordingly ... By law ..., census records are sealed for 72 years. ... Thus, the most recent Census released to the public was the 1930 Census, released in 2002." I think that means we will see the 1940 census in 2012; the 1950 census in 2022, and so on.The results are released every ten years, as soon as they are compiled. These are the huge numbers like overall population, minority percentages, average incomes, etc. What they seal are the individual records. That means that in 2072 and after a 72 wait, for instance, my kids can find out what job I had, where I lived, and how many people lived in my apartment back in the year 2000. |
| Eviltwin 31.01.2007 07:56 |
Old genealogists never die. They just lose their census. *giggle* |
| thomasquinn 32989 31.01.2007 08:17 |
Alex Solan? wrote:Only a bit? That's like saying 'Sir' Archie was a tad right of center.Penetration_Guru wrote: You would think English was a second language around here.That comment sounded a *bit* bigot. |
| Penetration_Guru 31.01.2007 14:31 |
Alex Solan? wrote:Nah, just anti American (the language, nto the people)Penetration_Guru wrote: You would think English was a second language around here.That comment sounded a *bit* bigot. |
| Penetration_Guru 31.01.2007 14:33 |
<font color=red>?Sasha wrote:Penetration_Guru wrote:Where you corrected me saying "it's 72 years, see above."<font color=red>?Sasha wrote:Where do I say the UK releases a census every 72 years?Penetration_Guru wrote:No. 72 years is the US. Do TRY and keep up...<font color=red>?Sasha wrote: The UK doesn't TAKE a census every 100 years. They only RELEASE the census every 100 years.Also wrong. A census is released every 10 years, it's just 100 years after it was taken. QUOTE] It's every 72 years. See above. |
| Eviltwin 31.01.2007 14:46 |
Penetration_Guru wrote:<font color=red>?Sasha wrote:I love you! Will you marry me?Penetration_Guru wrote:Where you corrected me saying "it's 72 years, see above."<font color=red>?Sasha wrote:Where do I say the UK releases a census every 72 years?Penetration_Guru wrote:No. 72 years is the US. Do TRY and keep up...<font color=red>?Sasha wrote: The UK doesn't TAKE a census every 100 years. They only RELEASE the census every 100 years.Also wrong. A census is released every 10 years, it's just 100 years after it was taken. QUOTE] It's every 72 years. See above. |
| Eviltwin 31.01.2007 14:47 |
P.S. You broke the quote thing...nice goin' |
| Penetration_Guru 31.01.2007 17:54 |
So much for keeping it simple... |