QueenZone discussion #931083

masterstroke_84 wrote: KISS concerts are FULL... FULL of overdubs... and practically the whole KISS live albums are overdubs... the only way that you can compare is listening to some bootleg... Queen were better live... because they not only put a hell of a show, but also have great musical perfomances... I think KISS only have a great visual show but not a great music show... Queen were awesome in both aspects. Cheers! P.

masterstroke_84 wrote: Yes I Do... but comparing to KISS records... LK is less full of overdubs... I have 4 or 5 boots of ´79 and the overdubs of LK are very tinny... in the case of Alive 3 and 4... those records were mostky recorded in the studio more than in a gig :S... You didn´t get the point... P.

masterstroke_84 wrote: KISS concerts are FULL... FULL of overdubs...

masterstroke_84 wrote: and practically the whole KISS live albums are overdubs... the only way that you can compare is listening to some bootleg...

masterstroke_84 wrote: Queen were better live... because they not only put a hell of a show, but also have great musical perfomances... I think KISS only have a great visual show but not a great music show... Queen were awesome in both aspects.

masterstroke_84 wrote: Yes I Do... but comparing to KISS records... LK is less full of overdubs... I have 4 or 5 boots of ´79 and the overdubs of LK are very tinny... in the case of Alive 3 and 4... those records were mostky recorded in the studio more than in a gig :S... You didn´t get the point... P.

<font color=#FFFFFF>The Invisible Man wrote: Hello everybody! Just thought it would be interesting to compare both KISS and Queen concerts. After all, I think it is fair to say they're both the greatest stadium rockers. I look forward to everybodies opinions and or facts. Steve

Penetration_Guru wrote:

<font color=#FFFFFF>The Invisible Man wrote: Hello everybody! Just thought it would be interesting to compare both KISS and Queen concerts. After all, I think it is fair to say they're both the greatest stadium rockers. I look forward to everybodies opinions and or facts. Steve

AC/DC, The Stones and even Metallica could be considered...if you take your "these are my favourite bands so let's just talk about them" blinkers off.

maxpower wrote: Kiss were/are the most overated band in rock history even their "destroyer" claimed as their best is shit, the 1st track detroit rock city is shit & it just gets worse for me Aerosmith kick their ass in ref to american rock banks starting out in 1970's.

maxpower wrote: I just cant handle that bollocks at all, these days im listening to more punk than ever, only today bought the Clash's singles box set lovely presentation

masterstroke_84 wrote: seems like no-one can have an opinion because individuals like jpf insult you... maybe I´m wrong... but you have to learn not to insult every person who have a different opinion... Bye.

Zebonka12 wrote: "How the hell do you overdub a live concert? You're really talking out of your ass." Ugh.... Look. Once it's recorded, it's not a live concert anymore. It's a recording - same as any other one. It just happened to be recorded on a stage, dude.

jpf wrote:

masterstroke_84 wrote: KISS concerts are FULL... FULL of overdubs...

How the hell do you overdub a live concert? You're really talking out of your ass. As far as the original question goes ... There's KISS in concert, then there's everyone else. Queen, visually, was good. KISS wrote the book on the concert experience.

masterstroke_84 wrote: and practically the whole KISS live albums are overdubs... the only way that you can compare is listening to some bootleg...

Queen "Live Killers" was all cut and paste. There are lines from one city intermixed with lines from other cities in a single track. If you listen carefully you can hear where the edits are. KISS released Instant Live recordings from almost all of the shows on their "Rock The Nation" tour in 2004. I received my copy 20 minutes after the concert finished. No overdubs, just a great concert souvenir.

masterstroke_84 wrote: Queen were better live... because they not only put a hell of a show, but also have great musical perfomances... I think KISS only have a great visual show but not a great music show... Queen were awesome in both aspects.

Sounds like you've never attended a KISS concert. Listen to Queen's Hyde Park show. Freddie was terrible.

Sebastian wrote: As much as I tend to prefer Kiss, especially for a live setting (because of the songs, not the actual band), I think Queen (during the 70s) were better: shows were both visual and musical, and indeed the songs were far more complex so it's a plus too.
Even if Brian wasn't half as good live as he was in the studio, he was much more versatile than any guitarist Kiss have ever had: have you noticed that Ace, good as he was/is, always plays the same bloody thing?[/QUOTE
Brian is a well thought out, intelligent guitar player who has a style that no one seems to be able to copy very well and has been very successful, artistically and financially. Ace, while showing occasional flashes of brilliance and by all accounts very intelligent person who has allowed drugs and booze to ruin his life. Ace is probably more of a stereotypical rock and roll star, Brian is a far more what most people wish they could be...yet Ace seems happy with his lot in life and Brian sometimes seems very unhappy, despite what would seem to be a great life.

Zebonka12 wrote: "have you noticed that Ace, good as he was/is, always plays the same bloody thing?" You would too, if you were that drugged up :P

Wiley wrote: Gene Simmons makes a 20 meters jump after his bass solo using a crane and a wire (which you don't notice when he gets it) and then performs Detroit Rock City from a tiny stage up near the roof. Paul Stanley hops into a metal step connected to a horizontal wire which takes him flying over the audience and into a small sub stage between the audience to perform I was made for loving you. The drummer (I believe it was Eric Singer) rises with his drumset over a platform with fire below it resembling a rocket lifting off.

<font color=#FFFFFF>The Invisible Man wrote:

Penetration_Guru wrote:

<font color=#FFFFFF>The Invisible Man wrote: A sweeping statement

An alternative point of view

I have a great understanding for music...composing my own music for about four years now... study music theory and music history...in the choir...a concert band..jazz band...first chair in Full Orchestra....record collecting. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. If you don't agree, well then that's just to damn bad.

Penetration_Guru wrote:

<font color=#FFFFFF>The Invisible Man wrote:

Penetration_Guru wrote:

<font color=#FFFFFF>The Invisible Man wrote: A sweeping statement

An alternative point of view

I have a great understanding for music...composing my own music for about four years now... study music theory and music history...in the choir...a concert band..jazz band...first chair in Full Orchestra....record collecting. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. If you don't agree, well then that's just to damn bad.

1. You need to skip a music class and try English, as it's stil an opinion.... 2. Didn't your original post explicitly request all other views? If you intended only opinions that concur with your own, you should have said so. 3. Ending posts "peace out" when you're calling me names is hypocticial.

Penetration_Guru wrote: Whether music is a language or not doesn't detract from your inability to see that your opinion cannot be called a fact. You can't even stick to the discussion at hand and need to fly off at a tangent. You used "their" instead of "there", but I didn't want to get all petty on you. Finally, since you raise the subject, why should the fact that we're all Queen fans influence how I speak to people incapable of either understanding the simplest concepts of English vocabulary or sticking to the point in a discussion?

Erin wrote: Hmm..lets see...KISS concerts suck ass, and Queen concerts don't.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Alive! was overdubbed in the recording studio.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: KISS Instant Live CDs didn't last long as they were burned CDs of shows. They deteriorated after a short time.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Then 2004 was not the same and majority of people who went to show I went to left before KISS took stage. I didn't like seeing doppleganger Peter and doppleganger Ace personally and there were certain parts of show where I did nod off. I enjoyed the 70s KISS concerts moreso.

Sebastian wrote: As much as I tend to prefer Kiss, especially for a live setting (because of the songs, not the actual band), I think Queen (during the 70s) were better: shows were both visual and musical, and indeed the songs were far more complex so it's a plus too. Even if Brian wasn't half as good live as he was in the studio, he was much more versatile than any guitarist Kiss have ever had: have you noticed that Ace, good as he was/is, always plays the same bloody thing?

Zebonka12 wrote: "have you noticed that Ace, good as he was/is, always plays the same bloody thing?" You would too, if you were that drugged up :P

Bob-Plant wrote: yet Ace seems happy with his lot in life and Brian sometimes seems very unhappy, despite what would seem to be a great life.

Serry Vietinhoff wrote: Overrated clowns

Zebonka12 wrote: I'll probably have my head bitten off for even slightly giving KiSS any credit... But for what they are (cheap trash, basically), they're good for that purpose. I've never seen them as high art, but COME ON! It's Kiss! What the hell did you expect?? :)

Micrówave wrote: Are you serious? Your post proves that comparing Queen and Kiss is like comparing a concert to a Schwarzenegger movie.

Erin wrote: Hmm..lets see...KISS concerts suck ass, and Queen concerts don't.

Serry Vietinhoff wrote: Overrated clowns

mike hunt wrote: The music itself is grossly overrated.

jpf wrote:

Micrówave wrote: Are you serious? Your post proves that comparing Queen and Kiss is like comparing a concert to a Schwarzenegger movie.

With the KISS concert being the truly entertaining one.

mike hunt wrote:

Serry Vietinhoff wrote: Overrated clowns

I agree, I'm trying to be nice, but Kiss does nothing for me. Kiss is more of a kiddy band, but they did put on a great show. The music itself is grossly overrated.

jpf wrote:

Bob-Plant wrote: yet Ace seems happy with his lot in life and Brian sometimes seems very unhappy, despite what would seem to be a great life.

Brian suffers from depression. He almost killed himself during the timeframe where Freddie died, his father died, and his first marriage ended. He checked himself into a clinic in the southwestern U.S. after the above three episodes.

mike hunt wrote:

Serry Vietinhoff wrote: Overrated clowns

I agree, I'm trying to be nice, but Kiss does nothing for me. Kiss is more of a kiddy band, but they did put on a great show. The music itself is grossly overrated.

Erin wrote:

mike hunt wrote: The music itself is grossly overrated.

Word.

Micrówave wrote: Yes, if you prefer explosions, screaming, generic rock music, fake blood, and uninspired guitar solos... give me KISS!!!

jpf wrote:

mike hunt wrote:

Serry Vietinhoff wrote: Overrated clowns

I agree, I'm trying to be nice, but Kiss does nothing for me. Kiss is more of a kiddy band, but they did put on a great show. The music itself is grossly overrated.

KISS wrote songs in just as many genres as Queen did. rock and roll hard rock heavy metal dance/disco rock glam rock pop/commercial rock pseudo-prog rock grunge acoustic rock

jpf wrote:

Erin wrote:

mike hunt wrote: The music itself is grossly overrated.

Word.

Erin, Your command of the English language impresses me.

The Invisible Man wrote: Theirs a lot of rock in that list of yours...but where's this? Piano-ballad>>> "Beth", "I Finally Found My Way", "Nothing Can Keep Me From You", "Odyssey" rock-ballad (ok, of course KISS had this...) >>>"Forever", "I Still Love You", "Every Time I Look At You", "I Will Be There", "Reason To Live" folk>>>"Hard Luck Woman" (folk/rock/pop) bar-blues>>>"Rise To It" (intro); KISS is a rock and roll band, therefore, the majority of their material is blues-based blues a'la Clapton>>>Ace's solos are all blues-based; Clapton was one of his favorite guitarists Waltzer>>>Thank God they didn't choose this avenue Symphony (and I'm not talking about a KISS symphony or Queen symphony)>>>"Great Expectations", "Beth", "Nothing Can Keep Me From You", "Every Time I Look At You", "Fanfare", "Odyssey", "A World Without Heroes" Gospel>>>see motown Punk>>>sorry, KISS knows more than three chords. The title of the song and cd "Love Gun" was taking the piss on the Sex Pistols. Pop>>>"I Was Made For Lovin' You", the entire "Unmasked" cd Soul>>>see motown motown a'la Diana Ross - "Silver Spoon" (at the end) cross between gospel/motown/soul, "Tomorrow And Tonight", "Then She Kissed Me" Baroque>>>"Great Expectations" (the intro guitar part is based on (or is exactly) a piece of classical music) Opera>>>Paul starred as the Phantom in "The Phantom Of The Opera" Psychedelic Cacophony>>>"Strange Ways" (check out Ace's solo) Synth tune>>>most of their 1980's ballads and poppier songs Black Chart-Oriented disco>>>"I Was Made For Lovin' You" Funk>>>I don't think Jewish people know how to be funky. Then again, check out the bassline in "Torpedo Girl". Reggae>>>Sorry, Paul and Gene don't smoke ganja. Vaudeville>>>KISS is rock and roll meets vaudeville Big-band>>>KISS is the Biggest Band

The Invisible Man wrote: A lot of band's have done what KISS did...the same old boring formula of what you listed:

Including Queen.

<font color=#FFFFFF>The Invisible Man wrote:

Penetration_Guru wrote: Whether music is a language or not doesn't detract from your inability to see that your opinion cannot be called a fact. You can't even stick to the discussion at hand and need to fly off at a tangent. You used "their" instead of "there", but I didn't want to get all petty on you. Finally, since you raise the subject, why should the fact that we're all Queen fans influence how I speak to people incapable of either understanding the simplest concepts of English vocabulary or sticking to the point in a discussion?

Thank you for pointing out my grammatical error, not that it changes anything. Finally, to answer your previous question, common courtesy. I'm ready for your come back... :)

jpf wrote:

Zebonka12 wrote: I'll probably have my head bitten off for even slightly giving KiSS any credit... But for what they are (cheap trash, basically), they're good for that purpose. I've never seen them as high art, but COME ON! It's Kiss! What the hell did you expect?? :)

Freddie described Queen's music as "disposable".

The Invisible Man wrote: Dear jpg,
Very nice, I enjoyed reading your response, however, you've failed to mention a few things...
1. First things first, you've failed to mention KISS ever having experimented with folk ballads.
The closest thing to folk that KISS has done is "Hard Luck Woman". It's a pop/rock song with a folk feel. When KISS performed the song with Garth Brooks it took on a country feel (GB's fiddle player joined them).
2. Waltzes? I'm particularly proud of Queen for taking such a risk. Why didn't KISS? I don't know, maybe because they didn't feel like dissapointing their fans.
"A Day At The Races" is one of my favorite Queen cds, but I can't stand "The Millionaire Waltz" (with the exception of that brief heavy part) and I don't care for "Drowse".

Paul Stanley said that he was a fan of Queen's very early music, but that he didn't like the material that was campy.
KISS took other risks. See "(Music From) The Elder" or "I Was Made For Loving You" for examples. There was no need or desire for KISS to try to create a song with a waltz time signature.
3. As for gospels, once again KISS didn't feel like dissapointing their fans, after all, they were a main stream band...and theirs nothing wrong with that.
With two Jewish people in the band (three when Bruce Kulick was in the band) it's quite evident that gospel music was not a part of their upbringing.
4. Yes, I agree with you that KISS are better than punk...I'm not to fond of it either, however, it was pretty brave for Queen to release Sheer Heart Attack on News of the World. In a way Queen mocked punk with that song...shall I go on? I'm sure you know the story...if not, look it up.
Roger was taking the piss at the Sex Pistols, who were recording in the same studio as Queen were during the making of "News Of The World".
"Sheer Heart Attack" is one of my favorite Queen songs and my band used to jam on it.
5. As for soul, once again KISS didn't feel like dissapointing their fans with this kind of stuff...and their is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Might I add that Queen fan's are special in the fact that they knew Queen were "different." They wouldn't reject them for experimention. Unfortunatly, KISS didn't feel the need to spread their wings in such way.
Freddie was a big fan of Aretha Franklin. Although Gene's a big motown fan, it's not something that he was going to use in the context of KISS.
As I stated before, there's a bit of soul/motown on the three tracks I mentioned above.
Actually, some of Queen's fans did reject them after/during "Hot Space". So much so that they didn't tour in the U.S. again after that tour.
6. Another genre you failed to mention is canon...honestly, I can't think of any other rock band besides Queen to compose such a song.
Rik Emmett of Triumph sang a multi-tracked song called "Time Canon" which can be found on their "Thunder Seven" cd.
7. As for opera, yes, I was aware that Paul Stanely played as the phantom of the opera, however, did one of the KISS members actually compose a mock opera? I think not.
"(Music From) The Elder" was as theatrical as they wanted to push it. It was intended to be the soundtrack to a motion picture.
8. Reggae was something rare for a rock band to actually try out...fortunatly Queen gave it a try and did quite a good job if I might add. I wouldn't expect KISS to ever do a reggae tune...it just isn't their style.
The Police, The Clash, and many '80s pop acts were jumping on the reggae bandwagon (and this before Queen).
9. "KISS is rock and roll meets vaudeville?" Um, I don't think so. KISS showed no sign of vaudeville...and thank God. I don't think they would have pulled it off.
A definition of vaudeville:
Vaudeville is a style of mul

jpf wrote:

The Invisible Man wrote: Dear jpg,
Very nice, I enjoyed reading your response, however, you've failed to mention a few things...
1. First things first, you've failed to mention KISS ever having experimented with folk ballads.
The closest thing to folk that KISS has done is "Hard Luck Woman". It's a pop/rock song with a folk feel. When KISS performed the song with Garth Brooks it took on a country feel (GB's fiddle player joined them).
2. Waltzes? I'm particularly proud of Queen for taking such a risk. Why didn't KISS? I don't know, maybe because they didn't feel like dissapointing their fans.
"A Day At The Races" is one of my favorite Queen cds, but I can't stand "The Millionaire Waltz" (with the exception of that brief heavy part) and I don't care for "Drowse".

Paul Stanley said that he was a fan of Queen's very early music, but that he didn't like the material that was campy.
KISS took other risks. See "(Music From) The Elder" or "I Was Made For Loving You" for examples. There was no need or desire for KISS to try to create a song with a waltz time signature.
3. As for gospels, once again KISS didn't feel like dissapointing their fans, after all, they were a main stream band...and theirs nothing wrong with that.
With two Jewish people in the band (three when Bruce Kulick was in the band) it's quite evident that gospel music was not a part of their upbringing.
4. Yes, I agree with you that KISS are better than punk...I'm not to fond of it either, however, it was pretty brave for Queen to release Sheer Heart Attack on News of the World. In a way Queen mocked punk with that song...shall I go on? I'm sure you know the story...if not, look it up.
Roger was taking the piss at the Sex Pistols, who were recording in the same studio as Queen were during the making of "News Of The World".
"Sheer Heart Attack" is one of my favorite Queen songs and my band used to jam on it.
5. As for soul, once again KISS didn't feel like dissapointing their fans with this kind of stuff...and their is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Might I add that Queen fan's are special in the fact that they knew Queen were "different." They wouldn't reject them for experimention. Unfortunatly, KISS didn't feel the need to spread their wings in such way.
Freddie was a big fan of Aretha Franklin. Although Gene's a big motown fan, it's not something that he was going to use in the context of KISS.
As I stated before, there's a bit of soul/motown on the three tracks I mentioned above.
Actually, some of Queen's fans did reject them after/during "Hot Space". So much so that they didn't tour in the U.S. again after that tour.
6. Another genre you failed to mention is canon...honestly, I can't think of any other rock band besides Queen to compose such a song.
Rik Emmett of Triumph sang a multi-tracked song called "Time Canon" which can be found on their "Thunder Seven" cd.
7. As for opera, yes, I was aware that Paul Stanely played as the phantom of the opera, however, did one of the KISS members actually compose a mock opera? I think not.
"(Music From) The Elder" was as theatrical as they wanted to push it. It was intended to be the soundtrack to a motion picture.
8. Reggae was something rare for a rock band to actually try out...fortunatly Queen gave it a try and did quite a good job if I might add. I wouldn't expect KISS to ever do a reggae tune...it just isn't their style.
The Police, The Clash, and many '80s pop acts were jumping on the reggae bandwagon (and this before Queen).
9. "KISS is rock and roll meets vaudeville?" Um, I don't think so. KISS showed no sign of vaudeville...and thank God. I don't think they would have pulled it off.
A definition of va

BRYCE THE TROLL wrote: That's a fucking cop out answer you asshole you fucked up just admit it! you can't just make up new defanitions for words and then yell at people when they think you're a moron what do you expect?

BRYCE THE TROLL wrote: That's a fucking cop out answer you asshole you fucked up just admit it! you can't just make up new defanitions for words and then yell at people when they think you're a moron what do you expect?

The Invisible Man wrote: Are you talking to me or jpf? I couldn't tell because it wasn't really directed to any specific person...

[QUOTENAMEThe Invisible Man wrote: God Damn it jpf, this is a discussion not an argument. I already ended the argument between Penetration Guru and I just so that this thread can be what it was supposed to be. And thank you very much for teaching me something new about KISS, I appreciated that...but you seem to think of this as some kind of contest. It's not a contest, it's a learning experience. I'm sure you can understand that...and it would be wise for you to simply just forget about what BRYCE said and just knock it the hell off. Listen man, I learned from my mistakes on Queenzone, and what you are doing was one of my mistakes...so please, I beg of you to just stop where you are before you dig yourself into a hole you can't get out of. And if you don't wish to take my advice, so be it...

jpf wrote:

The Invisible Man wrote: God Damn it jpf, this is a discussion not an argument. I already ended the argument between Penetration Guru and I just so that this thread can be what it was supposed to be. And thank you very much for teaching me something new about KISS, I appreciated that...but you seem to think of this as some kind of contest. It's not a contest, it's a learning experience. I'm sure you can understand that...and it would be wise for you to simply just forget about what BRYCE said and just knock it the hell off. Listen man, I learned from my mistakes on Queenzone, and what you are doing was one of my mistakes...so please, I beg of you to just stop where you are before you dig yourself into a hole you can't get out of. And if you don't wish to take my advice, so be it...

I was having a conversation with you, not that fucking troll. He opened his mouth and I shut him up. How is it some contest? KISS is my favorite band. Queen is my second favorite band. You dismissed my original comment that KISS ventured into different areas musically. I gave you concrete examples of the different types of songs that KISS experimented in.

jpf wrote:

jpf wrote:

The Invisible Man wrote: God Damn it jpf, this is a discussion not an argument. I already ended the argument between Penetration Guru and I just so that this thread can be what it was supposed to be. And thank you very much for teaching me something new about KISS, I appreciated that...but you seem to think of this as some kind of contest. It's not a contest, it's a learning experience. I'm sure you can understand that...and it would be wise for you to simply just forget about what BRYCE said and just knock it the hell off. Listen man, I learned from my mistakes on Queenzone, and what you are doing was one of my mistakes...so please, I beg of you to just stop where you are before you dig yourself into a hole you can't get out of. And if you don't wish to take my advice, so be it...

I was having a conversation with you, not that fucking troll. He opened his mouth and I shut him up. How is it some contest? KISS is my favorite band. Queen is my second favorite band. You dismissed my original comment that KISS ventured into different areas musically. I gave you concrete examples of the different types of songs that KISS experimented in.

The Invisible Man wrote: Do you have any suggestions on which ones I should get first? I already have The Best of KISS Volumes 1 and 2.

<font color=#FFFFFF>The Invisible Man wrote: Thank you very much jpf. Take care of yourself!

mike hunt wrote: I tried to be nice to these clowns, but now it's time to set the record staight. The reson why these clowns have sold so many records is because they are attractive to little kids. yes, kiss are a kiddie band. They sell records just like spears or justin sell records, it's all about little kid worship. Lets play a game called instrument Vs. instrument. Vocals, who's better?....Guitars, who's better?....drums?....bass?....Need I say more.

<font color=#FFFFFF> The Invisible Man wrote: Get your facts straight buddy, Queen were not a homosexual rock band. I actually laughed when I read your post...and you call yourself a Queen fan? And please don't get me started with your false accusation that Paul Stanly was a better vocalist...nobody's better, just different.

<font color=#FFFFFF> The Invisible Man wrote: Read the rest of my previous post, you're going to hate me for it...but it is how I feel...so suck it up buddy.

<font color=#FFFFFF> The Invisible Man wrote: One last question...are you gay?

<font color=#FFFFFF> The Invisible Man wrote: Well, will you go out with me? lol Yes or no?

jpf wrote:

mike hunt wrote: I tried to be nice to these clowns, but now it's time to set the record staight. The reson why these clowns have sold so many records is because they are attractive to little kids. yes, kiss are a kiddie band. They sell records just like spears or justin sell records, it's all about little kid worship. Lets play a game called instrument Vs. instrument. Vocals, who's better?....Guitars, who's better?....drums?....bass?....Need I say more.

The reason why Queen have sold so many records is because they are attractive to homosexuals, such as yourself. Yes, Queen are a homosexual band. They sell records just like Boy George and George Michael sell records, it's all about homosexual worship. Brian May vs. Ace Frehley - Ace was more influential. Brian May vs. Vinnie Vincent - Brian has admitted that he can't shred. VV is more technical. Brian May vs. Mark St. John - MSJ is more technical. Brian May vs. Bruce Kulick - BK is more technical. Roger Taylor vs. Peter Criss - tie Roger Taylor vs. Eric Carr - not even close -- Eric Carr Roger Taylor vs. Eric Singer - not even close -- Eric Singer. Eric Singer played drums during Brian May/Roger Taylor shows. John Deacon vs. Gene Simmons - both are basic bass players. Gene is more influential. Freddie Mercury vs. Paul Stanley - Paul Stanley Freddie Mercury started out strong vocally, but lost range along the way. Paul Stanley started out very good and became excellent.

mike hunt wrote: I have a feeling jpf is about 14 years old, and when he's 40 he'll look back at the things he's writing and laugh. Ace or brian may?...freddie mercury or gene?....are fucking kidding me. Only a little kid would write such things. roger talyor or peter criss is even more a joke. Even kiss fans know that peter was one of most basic drummers of all time. Queen a gay band?....that's simply a ignorant thing to say, and who gives a rats ass about sexuality, I'm talking about music. I expect another silly comeback. but I'm done arguing about a non issue. Has this guy even heard Queen2 or does he only have the greatest hits collection?...Gene's a better singer than freddie has to be the funniest thing I'v heard all year.

<font color=#FFFFFF> The Invisible Man wrote: Hello everybody! Just thought it would be interesting to compare both KISS and Queen concerts. After all, I think it is fair to say they're both the greatest stadium rockers. I look forward to everybodies opinions and or facts. Steve

mike hunt wrote: I have a feeling jpf is about 14 years old, and when he's 40 he'll look back at the things he's writing and laugh.

mike hunt wrote: Ace or brian may?...freddie mercury or gene?....are fucking kidding me. Only a little kid would write such things. roger talyor or peter criss is even more a joke. Even kiss fans know that peter was one of most basic drummers of all time.

mike hunt wrote: Queen a gay band?....that's simply a ignorant thing to say, and who gives a rats ass about sexuality, I'm talking about music.

mike hunt wrote: I expect another silly comeback. but I'm done arguing about a non issue.

mike hunt wrote: Has this guy even heard Queen2 or does he only have the greatest hits collection?

mike hunt wrote: ...Gene's a better singer than freddie has to be the funniest thing I'v heard all year.

Zebonka12 wrote: Brian May vs. Ace Frehley - Ace was a one-riff wonder. Useful in his day, boring and drug addled henceforth.

Zebonka12 wrote: Roger Taylor vs. Eric Carr - perhaps a closer contest this time? I'd still say Roger Taylor; regardless of drumming ability, he was responsible for some of the best rock falsetto ever.

Zebonka12 wrote: Roger Taylor vs. Eric Singer - Again, a closer contest I'd say. Roger looks better in a schoolgirl outfit though.

Zebonka12 wrote: Freddie Mercury vs. Paul Stanley - Freddie Mercury, no contest. Freddie Mercury started out not very well at all, (listen to his pre-Queen shows), gained range, control, and power, and wound up being a very clean, controlled and emotive singer. Paul Stanley started out doing pastiché 'black' singing, made a career out of repeating himself and never really changing his technique.

Zebonka12 wrote: jpf vs. a chimpanzee - This is an interesting one, but it's well known chimpanzees prefer jazz to rock and roll. So I guess we can't really nitpick on musical taste in this instance. I know which one I'd rather have tea with (ain't that right, Kenny8?).

<font color=#FF0066>iLoveFreddieMercury wrote: Ha ha, I like the last post on here. KISS pale in comparison, everyone always says how great they are because of their shows-I think they look like fucking pussy ogres or something with crappy elevator rock magic glove hands that can play some sort of riff in A major only.

<font color=#FFFFFF> The Invisible Man wrote: Looks to me like somebody needs to grow up.

jpf wrote:

<font color=#FFFFFF> The Invisible Man wrote: Looks to me like somebody needs to grow up.

Take a look in the mirror. Oh, I forget, you're the "Invisible Man". Fucking asshole.

<font color=#FFFFFF> The Invisible Man wrote:

This is the PERFECT example of why you need to grow up.

Go fuck yourself.

<font color=#FFFFFF> The Invisible Man wrote: jpf wrote: "Go fuck yourself." Once again, another PERFECT example of why you need to grow up.

jpf wrote:

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Alive! was overdubbed in the recording studio.

Get with the program, Corky. We aren't talking about live lps, we are talking about a concert.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: KISS Instant Live CDs didn't last long as they were burned CDs of shows. They deteriorated after a short time.

Good grief. I have to ask you this question. Are you mentally challenged? I have my KISS Instant Live cds from the concert I attended in 2004 and they play just fine. You really are grasping at straws.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Then 2004 was not the same and majority of people who went to show I went to left before KISS took stage. I didn't like seeing doppleganger Peter and doppleganger Ace personally and there were certain parts of show where I did nod off. I enjoyed the 70s KISS concerts moreso.

First off, your brothers should be in AA. Secondly, I was at that same 2004 concert as you were and there was no mass exodus after Poison played. The 2004 was not the same due to the fact that KISS had a drummer who buried Peter Criss and a lead guitarist who plays Ace's leads better than Ace does at this point. The setlist was changed, because Eric Singer and Tommy Thayer were in the band and can play any song in KISS' catalog.

maxpower wrote: Kiss were/are the most overated band in rock history even their "destroyer" claimed as their best is shit, the 1st track detroit rock city is shit & it just gets worse for me Aerosmith kick their ass in ref to american rock banks starting out in 1970's. I just cant handle that bollocks at all, these days im listening to more punk than ever, only today bought the Clash's singles box set lovely presentation

Zebonka12 wrote: "seems like no-one can have an opinion because individuals like jpf insult you..." Ordinarily I'd agree with you, but he was right about punk. "How the hell do you overdub a live concert? You're really talking out of your ass." Ugh.... link Look. Once it's recorded, it's not a live concert anymore. It's a recording - same as any other one. It just happened to be recorded on a stage, dude. Jesus!

jpf wrote:

mike hunt wrote: I have a feeling jpf is about 14 years old, and when he's 40 he'll look back at the things he's writing and laugh.

I'm 41, asshole. Nice try at trying to be condescending. Makes you look like an asshole.

mike hunt wrote: Ace or brian may?...freddie mercury or gene?....are fucking kidding me. Only a little kid would write such things. roger talyor or peter criss is even more a joke. Even kiss fans know that peter was one of most basic drummers of all time.

Roger was an interesting drummer in the '70s, then became a basic 4/4 drummer during the '80s. Eric Carr and Eric Singer drum circles around Roger. Peter Criss, circa 1974 - 1976, played far more interesting fills than Roger ever did. BTW, Roger is one of my favorite drummers. He's simply not my favorite one.

mike hunt wrote: Queen a gay band?....that's simply a ignorant thing to say, and who gives a rats ass about sexuality, I'm talking about music.

You're not too intelligent, are you? My comment obviously went right over your head. Go read it again and read what I was commenting to.

mike hunt wrote: I expect another silly comeback. but I'm done arguing about a non issue.

You'll be back with another one of your unintelligent rants. I know your type well.

mike hunt wrote: Has this guy even heard Queen2 or does he only have the greatest hits collection?

I have all of their studio cds and dvds, a-hole. I've probably had their catalog longer than you've been alive, sonny.

mike hunt wrote: ...Gene's a better singer than freddie has to be the funniest thing I'v heard all year.

I said Paul Stanley was a better singer than Freddie. Are you illiterate?

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Tommy Thayer is a fucking FRAUD Einstein! One minute, he was getting Peter Criss' spaghetti and the next minute is lame-ass shitty doppelganger of Ace Frehley.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: The real Ace kicks ass!

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Eric Singer is BORING as a drummer.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Eric Carr was KISS' best drummer, shame he died!

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Peter Criss was excellent and more fun to watch than spaghetti arms Singer.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Calling me Corky shows you need help and are sick!

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: I tried to make peace with you but you continue to attack me. Fuck you motherfucker, fuck you!

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: You are a disgrace to Queen fandom.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: I bet you when God created Webster's Dictionary and needed a troll picture, he thought of you right away.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Paul and Gene own the KISS recordings. Why does the remastered KISS albums say for the copyright to KISS Catalog Ltd? HMMMMMMM The publisher is/was Mercury. The band can afford to have their albums re-certified but are too damn lazy to do it. They want to repackage and recycle their hits for one purpose, MONEY?

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Pink Floyd ... blah, blah, blah ...

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Most people attended the 2003 KISS/Aerosmith show for Aerosmith ...

mike hunt wrote: your a real homophobe!

mike hunt wrote: ...I thought you were 14 by the way your acting. What 41 year old makes a big deal about someones sexualality?...your hinting that I'm gay?...Like your any better than freddie cos your straight?

mike hunt wrote: ...you really need to grow up!...I might rant and rave now and then, but I'm not a bigot like you.

jpf wrote:

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Tommy Thayer is a fucking FRAUD Einstein! One minute, he was getting Peter Criss' spaghetti and the next minute is lame-ass shitty doppelganger of Ace Frehley.

Tommy Thayer has been in the KISS organization for years. He plays guitar for KISS, because Paul and Gene can rely on him. He's a great guitarist and he's professional. Paul and Gene don't need to worry if he's not going to show up, or show up drunk or high. He's been their tour manager, worked on "KISStory", several KISS home dvds, organized the KISS Konventions, has co-written songs with them, and played all of the leads on the "Psycho Circus" cd with the exception of "Into The Void" and "You Wanted The Best" (which were played by Ace). So, since you don't know that, your comments above show me that you're ignorant on the subject matter and just a complete and utter asshole.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: The real Ace kicks ass!

I'll fix that for you. Ace, circa 1974 - 1977, kicked ass.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Eric Singer is BORING as a drummer.

Considering that Eric Singer is easily the most technical drummer KISS had, your opinion of him is meaningless.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Eric Carr was KISS' best drummer, shame he died!

He's by favorite drummer, but even if he hadn't passed away, he would not have been in KISS. Paul wanted him out of the band during the "Hot In The Shade" era. He would have been gone when the reunion happened anyway.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Peter Criss was excellent and more fun to watch than spaghetti arms Singer.

"Spaghetti arms"? Peter isn't (and wasn't ever) qualified to even hand Eric Singer his drum sticks. Peter Criss, while an interesting drummer, circa 1974 - 1976, basically sucks and has sucked for years. That's why he's no longer in KISS and Eric Singer is.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Calling me Corky shows you need help and are sick!

No, I'm just letting you know that I think that you're pretty unintelligent.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: I tried to make peace with you but you continue to attack me. Fuck you motherfucker, fuck you!

Oh, another cyber threat from some moron hiding behind a computer screen. Piss off.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: You are a disgrace to Queen fandom.

Coming from you, that's meaningless. I like Queen's music. I don't necessarily like how most of the members of the band led their lives.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: I bet you when God created Webster's Dictionary and needed a troll picture, he thought of you right away.

There is no god. Nice try.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Paul and Gene own the KISS recordings. Why does the remastered KISS albums say for the copyright to KISS Catalog Ltd? HMMMMMMM The publisher is/was Mercury. The band can afford to have their albums re-certified but are too damn lazy to do it. They want to repackage and recycle their hits for one purpose, MONEY?

No different than Hollywood Records remastering the Queen catalog, asshole. Get a fucking clue already. The members of Queen don't play for free. They don't give away their music for free. It's their job and the way they earn their money. Why do you care whether Gene and Paul re-certify their catalog? They're not losing any sleep over it.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Pink Floyd ... blah, blah, blah ...

Enough with the PF talk. You're just wasting your time.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote:
Most people attended the 2003 KISS/Aerosmith show for Aerosmith ...[/QUO

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Fuck you you cockroach!

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: He was playing a solo and don't fucking bullshit me, a solo is a solo no matter how you cut it.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Doesn't fucking matter Sherlock. You claim to be an expert for KISS but you aren't.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: I know just as much TRUTH as there is LIES about KISS. There is three sides to the story, Paul and Gene's, other sources and the truth.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: You are the sick, twisted 41 year old who lives with his mommy cos his girlfriends found out how fucked up you are. You can't accept facts as you live in distorted truth told by two liars.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: I read books, listen to radio interviews and documentaries, watch specials and hence my knowledge about bands.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: KISS are lying to the public.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Just stop being cheap bastards and pay the RIAA to properly re-certify your catalog.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: The RIAA doesn't lie, SoundSCAM does on the other hand. SoundSCAM doesn't count sales from box stores yet count Wal-Mart and the FYE's of the world.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: JPF, you are the fucking asshole.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: KISS had to open up Aerosupply in the US because the KISS Farewell Tour was a disappointment at the box office.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: The Tweeter Center in Boston didn't even sell out that show.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: I saw Roger Waters a month later and that show was LONG sold out and he premiered a new song at the end of the setlist which was a great epic.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Aerosupply still record new music, KISS hasn't since 1998.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: However, Aerosupply lost its credibility with me by having to duet with N'Suck, Hairy Mary J UNObligeD and Bitchney Sneers at the 2001 Super Bowl.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: KISS wanted the FAREWELL tour to be its last but NOOOOOO! Paul and Gene got money hungry and Peter only signed on cos he thought Ace would join but Ace was smart sand said NO!

jpf wrote:

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Fuck you you cockroach!

You hurt my feelings. LOL

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: He was playing a solo and don't fucking bullshit me, a solo is a solo no matter how you cut it.

Here's an Eric Singer drum solo, idiot: link

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Doesn't fucking matter Sherlock. You claim to be an expert for KISS but you aren't.

I've been listening to them since 1977. I know more about them then you'll ever know, asshole.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: I know just as much TRUTH as there is LIES about KISS. There is three sides to the story, Paul and Gene's, other sources and the truth.

Blah, blah, blah.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: You are the sick, twisted 41 year old who lives with his mommy cos his girlfriends found out how fucked up you are. You can't accept facts as you live in distorted truth told by two liars.

I'm not the one who has autism and has a case of paranoia. Your obsession with KISS is laughable. Seriously, you're really fucked up in the head. Get some help, because you need it.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: I read books, listen to radio interviews and documentaries, watch specials and hence my knowledge about bands.

<sarcasm>I'm impressed.</sarcasm>

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: KISS are lying to the public.

No, they're just lying to you. They want to possess you. They want your money. They want your mind. They want your soul.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Just stop being cheap bastards and pay the RIAA to properly re-certify your catalog.

You pay the RIAA fee. You seem to want the numbers so badly.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: The RIAA doesn't lie, SoundSCAM does on the other hand. SoundSCAM doesn't count sales from box stores yet count Wal-Mart and the FYE's of the world.

Idiot. Where do you think the RIAA has been getting their numbers from for the last 15 years?

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Let's see, AC/DC and Led Zeppelin yearly update their sales no problem. They can afford to whilst Paul and Gene are too fucking cheap to give their money away.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: SoundSCAM didn't count at many mom and pop stores (both I worked at refused to use SoundSCAM as did others place I shopped at called Rockpile, Sound Chaser and so on as the mom and pop stores catered to the customer whilst FYE catered to imbeciles like you) cos we refused to read bar codes to scan sales. Instead, we write down what was sold and call the distributor to ship more in. SoundSCAM is a hoax. Also, Circuit City and Best Buy's sales from there are disqualified cos they sell below what is listed as price.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: You are like Michael Douglas in Falling Down, a sad and mentally ill man whose wife and kid left him cos he is a psycho!

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: I wanted to try and reconcile with you but you have your head up yor ass that even a quarter can't come out.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Fact is, KISS are lazy and cheap bastards. What they did from 1974-79 was great but after that they just became a joke slowly but surely!

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: I bet you that you fuck little boys up the ass you child molester!

Zebonka12 wrote: I will add ; Aerosmith do suck.

BRYCE THE TROLL wrote: wait,wait,wait! the starter of this thread (basically) asked which is better Queen or Kiss concerts? who gives a damn?

jpf wrote:

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Let's see, AC/DC and Led Zeppelin yearly update their sales no problem. They can afford to whilst Paul and Gene are too fucking cheap to give their money away.

Obsessive-compulsive disorder eating away at you?

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: SoundSCAM didn't count at many mom and pop stores (both I worked at refused to use SoundSCAM as did others place I shopped at called Rockpile, Sound Chaser and so on as the mom and pop stores catered to the customer whilst FYE catered to imbeciles like you) cos we refused to read bar codes to scan sales. Instead, we write down what was sold and call the distributor to ship more in. SoundSCAM is a hoax. Also, Circuit City and Best Buy's sales from there are disqualified cos they sell below what is listed as price.

And I care because?

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: You are like Michael Douglas in Falling Down, a sad and mentally ill man whose wife and kid left him cos he is a psycho!

Never saw the movie, but he sounds like you in the mental illness/obsessive-compulsive disorder area.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: I wanted to try and reconcile with you but you have your head up yor ass that even a quarter can't come out.

You sound like you're in love with me. Do you wait with bated breath for my posts? LOL

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Fact is, KISS are lazy and cheap bastards. What they did from 1974-79 was great but after that they just became a joke slowly but surely!

"What they did from 1974-79 was great but after that they just became a joke slowly but surely!" Sounds like Queen's career.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: I bet you that you fuck little boys up the ass you child molester!

No, that's your fantasy. Can't come up with something a bit more clever, asshole? All those voices in your head must really interfere with your sleep. Do you wash your hands 50 times a day due to your obsessive-compulsive disorder? Do you secretly wish you were Paul Stanley's bitch?

BRYCE THE TROLL wrote: wait,wait,wait! the starter of this thread (basically) asked which is better Queen or Kiss concerts? who gives a damn?

<font color=#FFFFFF> The Invisible Man wrote:

BRYCE THE TROLL wrote: wait,wait,wait! the starter of this thread (basically) asked which is better Queen or Kiss concerts? who gives a damn?

Get your facts right, I wanted to "compare" not ask who is better. It would be wrong of me to ask which band is better. I happen to believe that no band is better than any other band, everybody has their strengthes and weaknesses.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: I bet you jpf you are that Mary guy in Falling Down who got harassed by the Nazi/racist dude.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Make your play Mary, make your fucking play cos I will kick your ass then shoot you in cold blood and watch you die! Want to call me Corky eh, try me shooting you then you will apologize for being rude dickhead!

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: I am a music historian and read things on a daily basis much to your chagrin.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: KISS had NO sell outs on either their 2000 or 2004 US headlining tours on their own

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Say what you want about Rush but all of the cheap and expensive tickets were SOLD OUT each time I went to get seats (in 2002 and 2004) so I went for the middle priced tickets and then would be told that those were the last two seats in that section so in other words Rush packed the Tweeter Center.

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: KISS in 2004 only had 10,000 capacity in Boston at the Tweeter Center as opposed to the filled crowd from a year earlier when KISS opened for Boston's hometown heroes/corporate sellouts Aerosmith (AeroSupply) which most of the Bay Staters were there for (luckily I skipped out to move to South Carolina).

Marcos Napier wrote: jpf is a real KISS fan. He can't stop shouting "asshole this asshole that", and asshole is the amazing title of Gene's solo "effort". What a way to promote your favourite band.

jpf wrote:

Marcos Napier wrote: jpf is a real KISS fan. He can't stop shouting "asshole this asshole that", and asshole is the amazing title of Gene's solo "effort". What a way to promote your favourite band.

I like KISS. I can't stand Gene. Never purchased his solo cd and have no intention to purchase it. Downloaded a few tracks and they were shit. Paul Stanley is KISS. BTW, I'll only resort to calling someone out if I'm provoked.

<font color=#FFFFFF> The Invisible Man wrote: It must be terrible being a die hard fan for a band who has an asshole for a bass player. It must be so hard for you.

<font color=#FFFFFF> The Invisible Man wrote: I'll never understand Gene Simmons for being so greedy and arrogant...I mean it's not bad to be arrogant in rock and roll, but to much of it can be bad.

<font color=#FFFFFF> The Invisible Man wrote: With all due respect, I'd hate to think that Paul Stanley is KISS, their should be a balance of power...much in the same way Queen were a balanced force (disregarding Freddie's dominating appearance of course).

<font color=#FFFFFF> The Invisible Man wrote: You could try and say Freddie Mercury was Queen, but you'd be proven wrong. If nobody believes me, listen to a few of Smile tracks or compare Made in Heaven (Queen version) to Freddie's original solo version.

<font color=#FFFFFF> The Invisible Man wrote: I have to disagree with you on that, how was it the Freddie and Brian show?

<font color=#FFFFFF> The Invisible Man wrote: You're absolutely right, Gene and Paul have every right to gain most of the profit...after all it is their band. However, I just think it is a shame that a band has to hire new band members in order to keep the band running.

<font color=#FFFFFF> The Invisible Man wrote: It isn't a bad thing, but I hardly know who the real KISS even is anymore...

<font color=#FFFFFF> The Invisible Man wrote: then again, I don't really care, as long as they continue making music and go on tour I'm happy.

Zebonka12 wrote: I'd like to know what they were thinking when they made this though: link

<font color=#FFFFFF> The Invisible Man wrote: Anyway, I'm aware of the fact that Freddie and Brian wrote most of the songs, however, this didn't cause any discontent in the Queen camp.

<font color=#FFFFFF> The Invisible Man wrote: Hm...well that's sad. More so Paul? Is that so? I'll be honest, for the longest time I actually never knew who Paul Stanly was because Gene Simmons over shadowed him.

<font color=#FFFFFF> The Invisible Man wrote: Amen to that. I'm afraid their will never be bands like the ones in the 70s ever again. Those were magical years for rock and roll...some of the best bands came out of that era.

AmeriQueen wrote: I saw Kiss years ago(was there for opening band) headlining a 3 band concert.

AmeriQueen wrote: They were the worst act with their simple, direct, predictable rock and Paul Stanley's slightly above average voice.

AmeriQueen wrote: It was like a generic rock show.

AmeriQueen wrote: Granted, this was back in the mid-Kiss period when Ace Frehley was doing his solo thing and the late Eric Carr was drumming for them(Hit song at the time was 'Forever'). It was proof that Kiss is nothing special really and that their mystique relies heavily on their theatrics.

AmeriQueen wrote: Queen is top of the heap, as all of us on this board know all too well.

AmeriQueen wrote: And my other point, just to make it clear, is that Kiss is truly one of the single most overrated rock bands of all time.

violonbleu wrote: If it is overrated, not by me :-) But I fear to write what I really think of this band... A happy new year!

jpf wrote:

Zebonka12 wrote: I'd like to know what they were thinking when they made this though: link

The song actually received some airplay on MTV. They were doing nothing different than what was being played on MTV at the time. If you want to play that game, what was Queen thinking when they released "Hot Space"? I'll bet Queen weren't thinking "This cd of dance songs will be be the end of us in the U.S."

jpf wrote: The number of songs written by each member and which songs were released as singles was a major issue in the Queen camp. Singles mean song royalties. Singles mean that those songs will be played in concert, will appear on live cds/dvds, and will appear on greatest hits cds. That means more money for the song writer. The members of Queen always fought about which songs would be released as singles. There would be some agreement between the four of them when they each knew that a particular song (for example, "Bo Rhap") needed to be a single. Brian stated during the release of "The Miracle" that all of the Queen cds should have been written by Queen and not listed by individual members.

jpf wrote:

Zebonka12 wrote: I'd like to know what they were thinking when they made this though: link

The song actually received some airplay on MTV. They were doing nothing different than what was being played on MTV at the time. If you want to play that game, what was Queen thinking when they released "Hot Space"? I'll bet Queen weren't thinking "This cd of dance songs will be be the end of us in the U.S."

mike hunt wrote: actually, I think paul stanly has taken over Queenzone. Ok paul, your the greatest fucking singer in the world, and way better than that lousy freddie, now just leave queenzone alone!...all hail paul!...all hail paul!...all hail paul!...kiss is the greatest band ever, even better than the beatles. All hail Ace!....all hail Ace!...all hail Ace!...

Zebonka12 wrote: Man you're touchy when it comes to KISS.. you aren't actually in the band, are you??

mike hunt wrote: I now believe JPF is really Ace.

mike hunt wrote: kiss is the greatest band ever, even better than the beatles.

jpf wrote:

mike hunt wrote: kiss is the greatest band ever, even better than the beatles.

Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons wouldn't say that, but I would.

jpf wrote:

mike hunt wrote: kiss is the greatest band ever, even better than the beatles.

Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons wouldn't say that, but I would.

mike hunt wrote: I hope you really don't believe that kiss is better than the beatles.

mike hunt wrote: I'm also very touchy about queen (especially freddie) but you have to use some common sense.

mike hunt wrote: I would never say that queen were better or more relevent than the beatles.

mike hunt wrote: Wouldn't that be a dumb thing to say?...Well, saying kiss is better than the beatles is even dumber.

Khashoggi St. Hyper wrote: Jpf, you said that you don't own any of The Beatles albums...which is fine, however, you're missing out on a lot of great songs.

Khashoggi St. Hyper wrote: Even if you were to just go out and purchase The Beatles "#1" CD you might feel differently

Khashoggi St. Hyper wrote: To me, I'd rather listen to (most if not all) of the non #1 hits by The Beatles.

Khashoggi St. Hyper wrote: Their is absolutely no doubt in my mind that The Beatles were the most influential band to ever exist.

Khashoggi St. Hyper wrote: And in all reality how can you even compare The Beatles to any other band?

Khashoggi St. Hyper wrote: Queen themselves have even admitted that you can't beat The Beatles, you can try, but you just can't do it.

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: you have got to be kidding? right?. Revolver/Sgt Pepper and Abbey Rd WERE a whole new genre of music

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: You saying KISS is more influential than The Beatles, shows you are an incompetent fucktard with no credibility and that you are an asshole trapped in his school years!

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: FYI, Sabbath didn't start metal, Led Zeppelin did with their first two albums (Ozzy even admitted to this on The History of Rock and Roll: The 70s).

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Sabbath took the template of Zep's first two albums and amped it up TENFOLD!

NOTWMEDDLE wrote: The Beatles influenced everyone (including Sabbath, KISS and every other band). Sgt Pepper, Abbey Road and The White Album were FAR more important than Destroyer or Alive!

Dan Corson II: The Revenge! wrote: I've never seen any live Kiss footage I've cared for. Just not my thing. Too much flash, not enough... I don't know. There's just SOMETHING missing.

Bob The Shrek wrote:

Dan Corson II: The Revenge! wrote: I've never seen any live Kiss footage I've cared for. Just not my thing. Too much flash, not enough... I don't know. There's just SOMETHING missing.

The word you are looing for is: talent.