| ITSM 12.12.2006 13:28 |
Hello! On my edition of the Hot Space CD, there is a pause in Back Chat. A friend of mine, who is also a Queen-fan has also the same pause on his CD. But a couple of days ago he told me that there is no pause in Back Chat on the 20 years Hollywood-edition. I got the LP, but I don't have a good recordplayer.. Anyway. Does anybody know if there's a pause on the LP..? And have most of you the pause or not on the CD? Thanks... |
| Dan C. 12.12.2006 13:55 |
Where in the song is said pause? |
| PieterMC 12.12.2006 14:20 |
No pause on mine. |
| dobo 12.12.2006 14:36 |
no pause on mine either |
| Deacon Fan 12.12.2006 14:42 |
This is probably in regards to the pause in the beat after the line "scream and shout" around 2:54. It's there on the Hollywood and 2001 remaster album versions, as well as slightly earlier in the single mix. It's probably somewhere on the 12" mix too. |
| Micrówave 12.12.2006 14:47 |
Correct. It IS on the US Hollywood 1991 CD It IS NOT on my UK EMI CD Anybody know the story on this? Probably really boring studio error, but I am now curious. I never noticed it before. But that's probably because I was so entrenched on how great the guitar work & vocals are on this song. |
| Deacon Fan 12.12.2006 15:14 |
Micrówave wrote: Correct. It IS on the US Hollywood 1991 CD It IS NOT on my UK EMI CD Anybody know the story on this? Probably really boring studio error, but I am now curious. I never noticed it before. But that's probably because I was so entrenched on how great the guitar work & vocals are on this song.That's very odd. Is yours from the 1994 remasters? Also, could you possibly share a clip of that section to show how it's different? There might be an edit which someone can recognize or it might turn out that's an alternate mix, like the Hollywood version of I Want It All. Edit: or do you mean the drums and such keep going through the sustain? (if that's the right word) |
| YourValentine 12.12.2006 15:15 |
This is very very odd: My EMI 1994 remaster has a pause at 3:35 min. That's why I kept my old 1982 original CD. I always thought it's just a mis-pressing. |
| max_fast 12.12.2006 15:17 |
If it is really after the line "scream and shout" around 2:54. That pause is on the demo of Back Chat as well, so I guess that pause is meant and correct. |
| Deacon Fan 12.12.2006 15:23 |
3:35? *listens again* There's no pause on mine there.. after "criticizing all you see"? Nope, no pause on the 2001 version.. checking the 1991 again.. nope, not there either. So we have one version missing any pauses and one with the pause in the wrong place? LOL *sigh* Okay, here's those two parts via the Hollywood 1991 version, which are the same but louder on the 2001 Japanese remaster: link So I assume this is how it should be.. |
| YourValentine 12.12.2006 15:25 |
Wrong place? I don't need a pause anywhere in a song :-) |
| Deacon Fan 12.12.2006 15:33 |
But there should be one! It's apparently even in the demo. hehe. And the single mix on GVH1. I edited my previous post so I'll add this here too: link |
| ITSM 12.12.2006 15:40 |
Yes, the pause I was thinking about is at 3.35, and it's on the 1994 remasters. After "Criticizing all you see, Back_(pause)_Chat" I think it's pretty cool actually.. But weird it's not on every release. It would be great if someone could check out the old LP(s). Thanks for your research! |
| YourValentine 12.12.2006 15:43 |
"Yes, the pause I was thinking about is at 3.35, and it's on the 1994 remasters. After "Criticizing all you see, Back_(pause)_Chat"" Exactly - the same mistake is on my CD. It's not on my old 1982 CD where Back Chat has no pause at all. |
| ITSM 12.12.2006 15:49 |
YourValentine wrote: "Yes, the pause I was thinking about is at 3.35, and it's on the 1994 remasters. After "Criticizing all you see, Back_(pause)_Chat"" Exactly - the same mistake is on my CD. It's not on my old 1982 CD where Back Chat has no pause at all.Thanks! Interesting that there is no pause from the 1982 CD. Then there's probably not any pause on the LP either...? (I didn't know there was any CD's in 1982, I thought they started with CD's in 1986, or something). Well, thanks a lot!! :) I have wondered about the pause in Back Chat for about 10 years, so it's great to finnaly find out about it! |
| mc7t 12.12.2006 15:54 |
No...There's no pause on the 1987 uk pressing or the original 1982 vinyl. |
| Daniel vZ 12.12.2006 15:55 |
I have that same problem with that 'pause' thing, thought I was the only one, lol. Edit; for the people who still want to know how it sounds ;), a bit of my 'pause' version. link |
| Deacon Fan 12.12.2006 16:29 |
Hmm, okay. I don't suppose one of you could share a clip of this 3:25 pause then? A little before and a little after? I'm curious as to how it sounds... |
| [StArMaN] 12.12.2006 18:37 |
Ok, just heard the "pause" on Daniel CD. It's just a transfert error, a mastering error, a mispressing.. or whatever error you want. It's obviously not on the LP nor the UK or Japanese remasters. |
| Bobby_brown 12.12.2006 19:13 |
OK, the Daniel CD is obviously a mistake back...chat, but the pause after "scream and shout" is meant to be, and i´m shure it´s on every edition. They perform the song live with that pause, and it makes sense. But the Daniel example...outch! Take care |
| Deacon Fan 12.12.2006 19:31 |
Yeah I guess there was some confusion about this.. I assumed it meant the part of the song where the beat pauses.. sorry about that. Yep, thanks or the sample.. clearly an error.. so that makes two known errors on the 1994 remasters.. the other being that little squeak on the Fat Bottomed Girls intro :-P |
| [StArMaN] 13.12.2006 08:00 |
Great King Ratliff wrote: Yep, thanks or the sample.. clearly an error.. so that makes two known errors on the 1994 remasters.. the other being that little squeak on the Fat Bottomed Girls intro :-PThis error is not on my 1994 EMI Remaster. |
| Deacon Fan 14.12.2006 02:21 |
[StArMaN] wrote:Not sure which you mean, but I'm only going by what's been stated here and what I was told by Justin Shirley Smith which is published here:Great King Ratliff wrote: Yep, thanks or the sample.. clearly an error.. so that makes two known errors on the 1994 remasters.. the other being that little squeak on the Fat Bottomed Girls intro :-PThis error is not on my 1994 EMI Remaster. link Perhaps if yours is alright, they later fixed the problem or something. I hate to bash the guy, but this Kevin Metcalfe dude who was responsible for many Queen mastering jobs for years seems to be the masterer in question for many errors.. two of the 1991 Hollywood remasters with errors had been done by him.. bits missing from 'Sheer Heart Attack' and 'News of the World', which Hollywood later corrected.. and now these two additional ones in 1994.. plus nobody checked the tracks when putting together 'Rocks' so the FBG glitch ended up there too.. makes me wonder if they just throw shit together/apply processing rather than actually listening to stuff and mastering properly. |
| Walter B. 14.12.2006 04:24 |
There is an error on Live at Wembley too. It was discussed here: link |
| Deacon Fan 14.12.2006 05:10 |
Thanks for that, Walter :) For the record, since this thread is active.. I can confirm that the 2003 versions of both the Hollywood and later Japanese card sleeve neither have this Wembley error. And I can say with 99% certainty that my old 1992 Hollywood version didn't have it either.. I wouldn't have missed that, LOL. Why oh why can't someone sit and listen to a CD before it gets released with errors? I'd volunteer. Oh, I'm reminded now that there's a tiny error on the Hollywood 1991 edition of 'Queen' (besides the SSOR lyrics and sleeves which are now removed). The very end of My Fairy King seems to suddenly edit to a much lower quality tape from 3:48 to about 3:51 when you can sorta hear it come back to being clearer. It doesn't appear on the 2004 card sleeve. Here's a sample: link In the sample, it lasts from about :06 to :10 |
| Adam Baboolal 14.12.2006 06:21 |
Is that Fairy King one, really, an error? Adam. EDIT: I have the same version and always believed it to be the limitation of their recording circumstances. I'm sure it's no surprise since you can listen to bands with much better drum sounds around the time and even years before. It's probably a quirk of the recordings. Unless someone knows something about this, specifically, that's what I'm thinking. |
| Bobby_brown 14.12.2006 09:56 |
Generalissimo Bubbles wrote: The very end of My Fairy King seems to suddenly edit to a much lower quality tape from 3:48 to about 3:51 when you can sorta hear it come back to being clearer. It doesn't appear on the 2004 card sleeve. Here's a sample: link In the sample, it lasts from about :06 to :10Can you post the sample of the good version. I´m a bit lost here because this seems the normal mix. I have the 1991 Hollywood version and it sounds like this. But i would like to hear the good one. This is a very interesting Topic, i think i´m gonna guive a listen to some of my LP's to see if there´s something wrong. Take care |
| YourValentine 14.12.2006 12:38 |
These mistakes are not the worst. On my old EMI ADATR the end of "You Take My Breath Away" (Take my breath, take my breath ... away) was cut as the beginning of track 3 together with "Long Away" although you cannot think of 2 more different songs! These mistakes were the reason I bought the 1993/94 remaster series. Now I think I should have kept the CD as an oddity. |
| Deacon Fan 14.12.2006 15:03 |
Well I did refer to it as 'tiny'. And in fact I never noticed it until it was pointed out to me earlier this year, and so I checked the card sleeve version... link Granted, the whole ending section has always sounded a bit distorted and rough to me.. this version at least doesn't suddenly change for a few seconds like the other. YV, I briefly had a UK ADATR with the end of YTMBA as part of Long Away but I consider the track marker things to be a different kind of 'error' :) |
| Ian R 14.12.2006 15:18 |
The track markers on 'Queen Rocks' are all over the bloody place; a right pain in the arse if, like me, you happen to listen to CDs on the 'Random' or 'Shuffle' setting. My 1994 EMI version of 'Hot Space' DOES have the pause in 'Back Chat'. Until recently, I had always assumed it was meant to be like that. Ian. |
| YourValentine 14.12.2006 15:48 |
Really funny, Ian :) That reminds me how I thought as a child that "Savoy Truffle" by The Beatles has no vocals because the vocal track was not played by my cheap mono turntable I used to have when I was a child. "YV, I briefly had a UK ADATR with the end of YTMBA as part of Long Away but I consider the track marker things to be a different kind of 'error' :) " I agree. While a pause is just a technical mishap the wrong cutting of songs is due to human ignorance. How anyone could think that this is the correct track is beyond me:) |
| Adam Baboolal 14.12.2006 17:32 |
Ian R wrote: The track markers on 'Queen Rocks' are all over the bloody place; a right pain in the arse if, like me, you happen to listen to CDs on the 'Random' or 'Shuffle' setting.Weird. Is that the 2nd release? I bought it on the day it came out and I don't have any track errors, just the FBG click error. Adam. |
| Deacon Fan 14.12.2006 19:26 |
Yeah, about the Rocks thing.. never had a problem with my U.S. version, though the tracks are close together.. basically crossfading if you listen close, save for one pause before NOBY, so perhaps if they're slightly off, this can be a problem when programming it. And another sample for the My Fairy King thing.. I didn't think earlier to compare the 1998 'Crown Jewels' version so here it is.. link Again, like the 2001/2004 remaster, I don't hear a problem here as I do with the Hollywood version. I'm guessing it was a defect on earlier master copies which was somehow corrected prior to or during the 1998 and 2001 remasterings. |
| Adam Baboolal 14.12.2006 21:09 |
Yeah, your clips show that it's a real problem. I had always noticed the sound change, but thought it was just on the tapes. Never imagined it was an error. Oh well, guess I'll replace my copy. Mind you, I'm not sure I'll get the 2004 one with all that extra low-end on the drums. It's quite boomy on those drums. Is the error also present on the UK 1993/4 remaster? Anyone? Adam. |
| Bobby_brown 15.12.2006 09:44 |
YourValentine wrote: I agree. While a pause is just a technical mishap the wrong cutting of songs is due to human ignorance. How anyone could think that this is the correct track is beyond me:)I first bought ADATR on vinyl and believe it or not i thought that the ending of "Take My Breath..." was the begining of "Long Away" ;)) I mean, this ending starts almost 7 or 8 seconds after the last piano piece, Who would think that this was the last part of the song? I think this was made deliberatly, because if you listen carefully that ending is suposed to say "You Take my breath away" over and over again, but due to some parts being overlaped on other parts, you hear the word Away better than the others. Let´s just say that i allways view this as an interlude between those two songs with the word Away. Í feel more happy now that i know there were more people who thought like me ; ) Take care |
| Bobby_brown 15.12.2006 10:14 |
Generalissimo Bubbles wrote: I'm guessing it was a defect on earlier master copies which was somehow corrected prior to or during the 1998 and 2001 remasterings.I´m having the same impression! I think the difference is that they have mixed the drum tracks in a different manner adding more texture and guiving it the sense of a full sound. The bad version has a weacker sound throughout the song. Now, my confusion is that i can´t clearly say wich track is off during that 3 seconds sound change. At first impression it looks like that the drum track, but when i hear it more carefully i realise that the guitar track doing the feedback noises -wich add ambience to the song- is almost completely off during that period. Whoever spotted this error really have a good ear! Take care |
| Adam Baboolal 15.12.2006 12:44 |
Bobby, the error on that track is NOT the guitar part. When you listen, you'll hear the guitar sounds clear throughout the crash point. It is the drums (overheads anyone?) that seem less clear at that crash point in comparison to the 1998+2004 remasters. AND... the sound is not weaker throughout the song on ANY of the remasters. You're just hearing the effects of the 2004 remastering which has upped low and high end as well as more compression. Adam. |
| Bobby_brown 15.12.2006 13:29 |
Adam Baboolal wrote: AND... the sound is not weaker throughout the song on ANY of the remasters. You're just hearing the effects of the 2004 remastering which has upped low and high end as well as more compression. Adam.You´re right, but weacker was just the best word i could find to express the difference in sound. I´m from Portugal, and sometimes it´s really hard to express myself in a way that i know people understand. In my view those effects made the drum sound superior, even if they´re only effects ; ) Take care |
| Deacon Fan 15.12.2006 16:59 |
I thought I'd mention another release to watch out for. After the 2004 release of the karaoke CD remasters and DVD in Japan, a Korean version appeared combining the CDs and DVD in one package.. which may or may not be truly official. I bought one of these early on and it was some sort of promotional pack with a Queen shirt included.. I only mention this in case the stand-alone digipack turned out different later, but.. My CDs from this version have some problems. The last couple tracks on disc 1 are missing the first bit of their intros, and on disc 2 nearly all of the track markers are off.. way off. When I finally got the original Japanese remaster this year these errors are of course not present, and the sound quality seems slightly better too. So you might want to avoid the Korean set. It seems like a good deal, but beware it probably has these defects. Here it is, listed at Amazon and CD Universe: link link My advice is buy the original Japanese versions separately instead :) |
| ITSM 16.12.2006 07:56 |
I agree that the track-marker is another type of error.. But about that. I can't remember which release, maybe it's the 1994 remasters of Queen II. Anyway.. the end of The March of The Black Queen and the beginning of Funny How Love Is are totally mixed together, and it sounds very wrong (if you skip to number 10). ...anyway, great to see so much interesting views on the the different versions of the albums! |
| Deacon Fan 16.12.2006 15:52 |
ITSM wrote: I agree that the track-marker is another type of error.. But about that. I can't remember which release, maybe it's the 1994 remasters of Queen II. Anyway.. the end of The March of The Black Queen and the beginning of Funny How Love Is are totally mixed together, and it sounds very wrong (if you skip to number 10). ...anyway, great to see so much interesting views on the the different versions of the albums!Those tracks are supposed to be mixed together like that :) As with other tracks on that album, they are crossfaded. There is a stand-alone b-side single version of Funny How Love Is with a clean "ahh-less" intro. On CD I believe its only appearance was a Japanese 3" singles set. Other versions just use the album version, faded in and such. |
| Bobby_brown 16.12.2006 17:08 |
Generalissimo Bubbles wrote: There is a stand-alone b-side single version of Funny How Love Is with a clean "ahh-less" intro. On CD I believe its only appearance was a Japanese 3" singles set. Other versions just use the album version, faded in and such.Now that you mention this song, i think that this song starts to fade out very early! I know that´s the way they wanted it, but i never understood why. Is there any version with an alternative ending, or every ending is the same? Take care |
| ITSM 16.12.2006 20:22 |
Generalissimo Bubbles wrote:QUOTE] Those tracks are supposed to be mixed together like that :) As with other tracks on that album, they are crossfaded. There is a stand-alone b-side single version of Funny How Love Is with a clean "ahh-less" intro. On CD I believe its only appearance was a Japanese 3" singles set. Other versions just use the album version, faded in and such.I didn't mean the sound or anything, I just meant it's a different length on The MarchOTBQ on different CD-releases.. So if you push play on nr 10 FunnyHLI, the song starts in different places on different CD's.. Not a huge problem, though... |
| bitesthedust 17.12.2006 13:42 |
No pause at 3.35 in Back Chat on my 1994 UK remaster cd. |
| Cricket Nutter 19.12.2006 18:48 |
I'm pretty sure they stop there Live At The Bowl too |