deleted user 04.12.2006 15:29 |
Dear fellow Queen fans, Not to be smart or anything, but don't you think that it might be possible that Brian, Roger, and Paul might only be doing this for the money? What I mean to say is that those three men have made so much money throughout their own careers and have become legends in their own right. Are they greedy for more attention? Do they feel that they have become forgotten? And the over used question "Why isn't John participating?" For some reason I get the feeling that John has been fighting with Brian and Roger. I know John has a family and a life, but so do Roger and Brian. For what good reason isn't John recording with Queen and Paul Rodgers? I guess what I'm trying to get across is that it seems that all of the sudden Queen (Brian and Roger) have just blown everybody away in just two years. They've started a musical, they've gone on a world tour, they've gone on a United States tour, they've released that new tribute album called Killer Queen, they've also released Return of the Champions CD and DVD, they've rereleased A Night of the Opera, ETC. A lot has happened in the last two years, it just seems wierd... Now don't get me wrong guys, I love Queen. Its just I feel that they aren't the same bunch of guys they used to be. Lets get something else straight, I'm not one of those fans who hate Paul Rodgers. I love what he's brought to Queen in the last two years or so. It really is great stuff. Anyway, feel free to argue with me or agree. But before you post do yourself a favor and really think about how the band has changed. I'm asking you guys this because I don't want to believe that Brian and Roger have become greedy old bastards. Take care...and enlighten me. Steve |
Lester Burnham 04.12.2006 16:03 |
Q. Are they doing it for the money? A. Of course. Would you do your job for free? On a less "greedy" note, I'm sure Brian and Roger want to make music together instead of just sitting around idly for the rest of their lives. Surely, they get joy out of performing live together? Q. Why no John involvement? A. Because he doesn't want to. I'm sure he feels that he's done all that he wants to do and would like to remain with his children and wife as long as he can. Would you be questioning their intentions if it WASN'T Q+PR, if they had gone out solo or as a duet? They aren't Queen anymore, anyone who thinks otherwise is foolish; they're a new band, but they're also a brand. Obviously, something has sparked their interest to record new music, but if it went out as something other than Q+PR, it wouldn't receive as much recognition. And they've been Q+PR since March 2005, so it would also be foolish to change their name this far into their revitalization. |
deleted user 04.12.2006 16:06 |
Thank you so much Lester, what was I thinking? I must have been losing it... *slaps self in the face* Their was no sarcasm their... |
Adam Baboolal 04.12.2006 16:33 |
Oh and, WWRY was in 2001/2. They've been getting a lot of attention ever since 2000. I remember wondering why all these Queen related accolades and docus were coming from at the time. It was a weirdly interesting time. And that's from the last 5 years. Adam. |
Lester Burnham 04.12.2006 16:44 |
Metal Head wrote: Thank you so much Lester, what was I thinking? I must have been losing it... *slaps self in the face* Their was no sarcasm their...I can't tell if you're actually being sarcastic -- my meter is broken -- but it's up to you what you decide. If you want to believe that Brian and Roger are taking a crap on the Queen name and are just doing it for the money, then there's no way anyone can change your mind. If you want to believe they genuinely like performing with each other and are glad to have found a catalyst (Paul) to get out on stage again, while making a bit of money as well, then there's no way anyone can change your mind. |
deleted user 04.12.2006 16:45 |
Adam Baboolal wrote: Oh and, WWRY was in 2001/2. They've been getting a lot of attention ever since 2000. I remember wondering why all these Queen related accolades and docus were coming from at the time. It was a weirdly interesting time. And that's from the last 5 years. Adam.*Slaps self in the face again* (I didn't become a fan until 2003...and I typed this crap in the few minutes of free time I had. I know better than that, sorry... *blushes and hides in corner* |
deleted user 04.12.2006 16:48 |
Lester Burnham wrote:I really wasn't sure what to believe. But now that I think of it, The Rolling Stones have been together for all these years because they enjoy playing together. And if it wasn't for Freddie's unfortunate death Queen would be doing the same. I still think its sad that John Deacon doesn't want to be apart of Queen anymore, but thats his decision...and I respect that. It's his life, not ours.Metal Head wrote: Thank you so much Lester, what was I thinking? I must have been losing it... *slaps self in the face* Their was no sarcasm their...I can't tell if you're actually being sarcastic -- my meter is broken -- but it's up to you what you decide. If you want to believe that Brian and Roger are taking a crap on the Queen name and are just doing it for the money, then there's no way anyone can change your mind. If you want to believe they genuinely like performing with each other and are glad to have found a catalyst (Paul) to get out on stage again, while making a bit of money as well, then there's no way anyone can change your mind. Hey, and thanks for the reply. I was hoping somebody would come by and knock me back to my senses. |
skiqueen 04.12.2006 17:05 |
u know Queen: they're just bored. |
skiqueen 04.12.2006 17:06 |
skiqueen wrote: u know Queen: they're just bored.i mean, Rog n Bri. i dont think i should have used Queen..... |
Micrówave 04.12.2006 17:56 |
you shouldn't... But Brian and Roger can. |
mrjordy 04.12.2006 18:00 |
SKIQUEEN: Thank you for once again hijacking a perfectly innocent Queen-related thread. Unfortunately for you, you are not and never will be a member of Queen, so Brian and Roger's choice to continue using the Queen name will never really affect you. Don't watch their shows, don't buy "Return Of The Champions" and don't let yourself get the least bit excited when Queen + Paul Rodgers tours next year and comes to a city near you. Here's how Q+PR works: 1. Freddie Mercury died of AIDS. 2. John Deacon retired. 3. Brian May and Roger Taylor, founding members of Queen*, decide to go on tour. 4. Paul Rodgers does the singing (Freddie Mercury couldn't make it). 5. Danny Miranda plays bass (John Deacon chose not to tour. Again, he's retired). *Brian and Roger, now being the two remaining founding members who own copyrights as well as full rights to the Queen name, have every right in the book to use Queen as their current band's name. They even have John Deacon's blessing! If you'll take the "Queen" from statement 3 and combine it with "Paul Rodgers" from statement 4, you get motherfucking Queen + Paul Rodgers. Stop the bitching. Be glad that one of the greatest rock bands to ever exist are still together, in part and have one hell of a great singer fronting them. Better than Queen + Anastasia, isn't it? |
kenny8 04.12.2006 19:54 |
If they were doing this for charity like The Who, they'd have a little more credibility in the real world outside of fandom. |
kenny8 04.12.2006 19:57 |
mrjordy wrote:*Brian and Roger, now being the two remaining founding members who own copyrights as well as full rights to the Queen name, have every right in the book to use Queen as their current band's name.They may have the legal right to call themselves Queen........... |
deleted user 04.12.2006 21:20 |
kenny8 wrote: If they were doing this for charity like The Who, they'd have a little more credibility in the real world outside of fandom.He's got a point. You'd think or at least hope that Brian and Roger are donating money towards finding a cure for AIDS. Lets hope that the new album's profit will go towards a good cause, not Brian's dessert. |
john bodega 04.12.2006 21:51 |
It'd be fair to say they've probably given more to charity through record sales than you guys have. Let's not try and get all moral high-horsie, eh? It just sounds stupid. |
L-R-TIGER1994 04.12.2006 22:13 |
Metal Head you're just 17,grow up |
house 05.12.2006 01:58 |
Yes definitely greedy,..,and old. If Queen exists today then surely Beatles and LedZeppelin too exist nowdays,.... no? Then all are gone!! |
deleted user 05.12.2006 06:24 |
L-R-TIGER1994 wrote: Metal Head you're just 17,grow upHow am I supposed to grow up if I'm only 17? I've got my entire life ahead of me. To be honest, I have no idea what you meant by that comment. Whatever it was it was rude and had no purpose. I'm not one to start fights or even get into them. I just wanted some reasurance that my favorite rock band hasn't become greedy. Is it a crime on Queenzone to discuss Queen+Paul Rodgers and their purpose? I think not. So please, I beg of you, don't become one of the obnoxious know it all Queenzoners that this site is littered with. I thought you were a nice guy until now. I guess I was wrong. |
deleted user 05.12.2006 06:27 |
Zebonka12 wrote: It'd be fair to say they've probably given more to charity through record sales than you guys have. Let's not try and get all moral high-horsie, eh? It just sounds stupid.Fair enough, I'm a believer now and stand corrected. Thanks for the reply my friend. :) However, we'd never know for sure how much profit has gone to donations. As we all know, by purchasing The Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert DVD money goes to the Pheonix trust. Whatever... |
Dan C. 05.12.2006 07:32 |
I don't really give a fuck WHY they're doing it as long as they actually ARE doing it. |
Donna13 05.12.2006 08:35 |
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teleman 05.12.2006 10:56 |
It's pretty clear that the people bitching and moaning about Brian and Roger are not musicians with a substantial body of work. If they were they'd know that the desire to perform doesn't really leave you. It may be dormant but can be rekindled. As a musician I can tell you it's an incredible feeling to play for "your" audience. Their age is irrelevant. As longs as they're capable and have the desire then they should. With respect to charitable donations, do some research. They've been quite generous on personal and corporate levels finacially and with time and effort. |
bigV 05.12.2006 12:06 |
mrjordy wrote: SKIQUEEN: Thank you for once again hijacking a perfectly innocent Queen-related thread. Unfortunately for you, you are not and never will be a member of Queen, so Brian and Roger's choice to continue using the Queen name will never really affect you. Don't watch their shows, don't buy "Return Of The Champions" and don't let yourself get the least bit excited when Queen + Paul Rodgers tours next year and comes to a city near you. Here's how Q+PR works: 1. Freddie Mercury died of AIDS. 2. John Deacon retired. 3. Brian May and Roger Taylor, founding members of Queen*, decide to go on tour. 4. Paul Rodgers does the singing (Freddie Mercury couldn't make it). 5. Danny Miranda plays bass (John Deacon chose not to tour. Again, he's retired). *Brian and Roger, now being the two remaining founding members who own copyrights as well as full rights to the Queen name, have every right in the book to use Queen as their current band's name. They even have John Deacon's blessing! If you'll take the "Queen" from statement 3 and combine it with "Paul Rodgers" from statement 4, you get motherfucking Queen + Paul Rodgers. Stop the bitching. Be glad that one of the greatest rock bands to ever exist are still together, in part and have one hell of a great singer fronting them. Better than Queen + Anastasia, isn't it?I couldn't have said it better myself! You're my hero! :) One thing I would like to add though. In the ROTC DVD there's a shot of Brian and Roger smiling at each-other - it's right at the end of "Feel Like Making Love". You can tell just by looking at them that they are having an ENORMOUS amount fun! Anyone who tries to take that away from them is a moron in my book. Ta! V. |
Rotwang 05.12.2006 13:55 |
They are just doing what they love to do. It just so happens that their "job" involves making good money. If I were that good and still able to get around, I'd be doing it myself. Several people think that recording and touring is easy but I guarantee you that they EARN the money they make. They aren't going to be billionares by any means. They accept the fact they don't have the status they once had as a whole. They don't care and it's pathetic that a lot of people do care. Let them live their lives. As for John, I wonder if he is having some health issues. I don't want to speculate or get responses from people saying they have "seen" him out and he looks fine. The guys used to cover for Freddie until it was too obvious if you remember. I hope he is healthy and I don't think John is the type of person to not be involved and shut himself out of the world just to "spend time with his kids" (who by the way are grown adults now). My point is we could sit here and make guesses, suggestions, and start rumors but the fact is they are doing what they want to do, not what we want them to do. |
Serry... 05.12.2006 14:06 |
Two of John's kids, by the way, are younger than 14 years old (today is Luke's 14th birthday), so I won't call 'em as adults... |
danny1 34933 05.12.2006 17:02 |
About John not taking part in Queen activities. From what we know of him he is very shy and retiring. He has done few interviews, he has never taken credit for the bands greatness, he had a fair amount of performance anxiety, in most concert footage his eyes are averted down, like he is trying not to look at the audience. I think his social anxiety and a sense of financial satisfaction are the main reasons he is retired. Now could he have fallen out with Brian and Roger or have health problems, possibly. |
Nathan 05.12.2006 17:22 |
It's the same reason why Yusuf Islam (formerly known as Cat Stevens) made a new album after a hiatus of nearly 30 years. He wasn't in it for the money. He did it because he enjoyed making music and he decided it was time to give it another go. Same with Brian and Roger. They are natural musicians and they've felt the calling to get back to doing what they do best. That is, making music. (And great music at that) So good luck to them. And if their album is anything like Yusuf's, it'll be spectacular. I will definitley buy this album when it's released. |
deleted user 05.12.2006 21:51 |
Alright guys, Thanks for the replys and insightful opinions. I was browsing throughout various Queen related websites and found an interesting recording of Brian and Roger explaining why they went on tour. Here it is: link Just click on MEDIA and then click on the audio called "How Easy Was It To Decide That You Wanted To Go Ahead With This Project?" Take care everybody... |
ITSM 06.12.2006 00:13 |
About the money.. I HOPE they did "We will rock you" with 5ive, only for the money. I bought the CD-single and played it once. Or perhaps they wanted to stay popular with the "now-a-days" music-scene. But I still don't get why they did it. They still have fame and fortune and everything that goes with it.. (YES, I quoted WATC at the end, I know it's not cool). I'm really disapointed about the hole 5ive-project, and I think most of you will agree with me...? |
bigV 06.12.2006 02:53 |
ITSM wrote: About the money.. I HOPE they did "We will rock you" with 5ive, only for the money. I bought the CD-single and played it once. Or perhaps they wanted to stay popular with the "now-a-days" music-scene. But I still don't get why they did it. They still have fame and fortune and everything that goes with it.. (YES, I quoted WATC at the end, I know it's not cool). I'm really disapointed about the hole 5ive-project, and I think most of you will agree with me...?I think that they did it because it was good promotion for the Musical. So in a way it's both about money and fun. You can't look at the footage from the Brit awards when Brian and Roger appeared (or rather opened) with 5ive and honestly tell me that they don't look lik they're having fun. V. |
vadenuez 08.12.2006 13:17 |
Cut the money crap. Being a musician is a job. A creative job, but a job in the end. The 'artist should make their art for free' is pure bollocks. Music made of Freddie a rich man and no one in this forum with a straight head would question that and no one certainly would even dare to doubt about his immense talent and the fact that he did it because he loved his music and also because that was he way he chose to get a living in this world. If we are implying that Brian and Roger are greedy bastards because they reunited again to make some money, then we should start saying that the four original members were also greedy bastards when forming Queen back in the distant 1972. |
violonbleu 09.12.2006 15:55 |
The guys don't do anything for money now. If they did, it would be for the money but not for themselves: for a charity or something like this. They don't need more money to live confortably their lives!! |
The Real Wizard 09.12.2006 23:47 |
vadenuez wrote: Cut the money crap. Being a musician is a job. A creative job, but a job in the end. The 'artist should make their art for free' is pure bollocks. Music made of Freddie a rich man and no one in this forum with a straight head would question that and no one certainly would even dare to doubt about his immense talent and the fact that he did it because he loved his music and also because that was he way he chose to get a living in this world. If we are implying that Brian and Roger are greedy bastards because they reunited again to make some money, then we should start saying that the four original members were also greedy bastards when forming Queen back in the distant 1972.Excellent post. |
Sebastian 10.12.2006 20:27 |
I don't care if they do this for money, I only care about the name. I haven't heard what they did with Paul, but to my mind they're all great musicians. Still that's not Queen, it's just a cover band copying the name. |
The Real Wizard 10.12.2006 22:13 |
Sebastian wrote: I don't care if they do this for money, I only care about the name. I haven't heard what they did with Paul, but to my mind they're all great musicians. Still that's not Queen, it's just a cover band copying the name.Not this crap again. Are The Who not The Who? How about the Stones, Pink Floyd, and Chicago? |
Sebastian 10.12.2006 23:38 |
I agree to disagree anyway, but for the sake of debating: Some bands can work with substitutions, some others don't. For me there's no way Paul+Ringo+x+y could be The Beatles. Likewise there's no way Brian+Roger could be Queen (or John+Freddie, or Roger+Freddie, etc). Not in vain Brian and Freddie were introduced as "Freddie Mercury and Brian May" at Live Aid. The Who without Keith but with John I could accept, but now for me that's not The Who, even though Pino's a genius, but still that's IMO a different band, not better, not worse, just different. Pink Floyd: Roger sings horribly and isn't precisely a master bassist, even if IMO he's one of the very best composers in his genre (only outdone, IMO, by John, Paul and George). So if Dave & Co perform Roger's songs with people who play and sing better than Roger, that's perfect for me! Stones: Dunno and couldn't care less. The thing is, for me, Queen were always (for some extent) very brave and daring: they gained a fanbase playing Zeppelin-esque things, then threw in some piano albums, then became much simpler with 'News', etc. They were brave enough to release 'Bo Rhap' or 'Innuendo' as singles when mainstream music was different. So, if Brian & Roger were to keep on the habit of being brave and daring they should have used a new name, written new material and risked themselves to fail. But instead they kept the name, the logo, the songs ... they played the safest formula, and that's (IMO) utterly coward, unethical, immoral and thus, utterly anti-Queen. But as I said, I agree to disagree. For me Live At The Bowl is a Queen DVD; Return Of The Champions is a DVD by six great musicians who are a different band (that happens to include two former Queen members). |
The Real Wizard 12.12.2006 21:22 |
Sebastian wrote: So, if Brian & Roger were to keep on the habit of being brave and daring they should have used a new name, written new material and risked themselves to fail. But instead they kept the name, the logo, the songs ... they played the safest formula, and that's (IMO) utterly coward, unethical, immoral and thus, utterly anti-Queen.You make a good point, but in the end, it's their choice. They were a huge part in creating the Queen of the past, so they're entitled to keep using the name. They don't have much else to gain, so they don't feel the need to change their name. Brian and Roger conquered the world as members of Queen, so it's still Queen, even though it's just part of Queen - and Paul is Paul... thus Queen + Paul Rodgers makes sense. |