cexycy 02.12.2006 21:30 |
I really don't understand why so many people are upset about flac files being distributed in MP3. If people want it in MP3, they are going to try and get them converted anyway. Can't people be allowed to make a choice as to what they want? |
Jay Mantis 03.12.2006 05:47 |
You can't stop people from making mp3's out of FLAC files but at least you can make them try to understand that FLAC is indeed better then mp3 and is also the only way to trade shows, as almost no one is interested in mp3 sourced shows anymore these days. |
Raf 03.12.2006 05:59 |
Someone should make a sticky about it... Then people wouldn't ask these same questions every month. :-\ |
Jay Mantis 03.12.2006 06:11 |
Indeed something like a Queenzone FAQ. |
Penetration_Guru 03.12.2006 12:52 |
cexycy wrote: I really don't understand why so many people are upset about flac files being distributed in MP3. If people want it in MP3, they are going to try and get them converted anyway. Can't people be allowed to make a choice as to what they want?OK, nice and simple for you. If people want it in mp3, they are free to convert it - as you say it's their choice. BUT, by then distributing it as mp3, they remove the option from the next guy, as it can't be converted back to FLAC. Make sense? |
cexycy 03.12.2006 20:56 |
There's no need to patronise. All I'm really asking is why do some people go mad if stuff is converted and distributed in MP3? If anyone wants flac, why can't they just request it like everyone else, or just go to the original source? Not hard really is it? Besides MP3s are still reasonably good quality. |
Mr. Scully 04.12.2006 06:12 |
Personally I'm more than happy with MP3's. The problem is that obviously some people (= idiots) distribute MP3 files as audioCD's or FLAC's. |
FriedChicken 04.12.2006 09:56 |
^I think you're more of an idiot for making judgements like that I rather have Wave. It's more convenient and better |
Wilki Amieva 04.12.2006 12:10 |
I am with any of the lossless formats: FLAC, Monkey's Audio (ape), Shorten (shn), etc. PCM is convenient indeed, but I rather have my files stored in compressed form. |
Penetration_Guru 04.12.2006 12:38 |
cexycy wrote: There's no need to patronise. All I'm really asking is why do some people go mad if stuff is converted and distributed in MP3? If anyone wants flac, why can't they just request it like everyone else, or just go to the original source? Not hard really is it? Besides MP3s are still reasonably good quality.I wasn't patronising. You said you didn't understand - I explained it. How should the people who want flac go back to the original source - the only way is through all the mp3 people, whose response would be either "can't remember", "don't care", "just be grateful you have anything, I didn't HAVE to send you this, you know". You started this topic because you wanted to know - when I explained it, nicely and logically, you still couldn't see it. I've now had a bash at responding to your arguments (noting you didn't respond to mine) again. |
Serry... 04.12.2006 12:39 |
cexycy wrote: There's no need to patronise. All I'm really asking is why do some people go mad if stuff is converted and distributed in MP3? If anyone wants flac, why can't they just request it like everyone else, or just go to the original source? Not hard really is it? Besides MP3s are still reasonably good quality.Because their trading business will be fucked up with mp3-sourced gigs. It's not about hearing a show, it's about trading only. |
Dan C. 04.12.2006 13:11 |
FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: I rather have Wave. It's more convenient and betterSpoken like a true... well... me. Wave for me, all the way! |
ITSM 05.12.2006 07:40 |
I think it's great either way, with MP3 or FLAC. But I'm no Mr. Computer, so I still don't understand how to convert the FLAC-files to WAV, so I can burn it out on CD's (for personal use of course). Can somebody please try to explain in simple words how to get the files from FLAC to WAV ? I know I asked about this before, but I didn't quite understand how to do it.. So please help ! Thanks! ...Maybe this is not posted under right topic or forum, but since you're talking about MP3's and FLAC, I just had to ask.. Don't be mad. |
MDNA 05.12.2006 07:59 |
ITSM wrote: I think it's great either way, with MP3 or FLAC. But I'm no Mr. Computer, so I still don't understand how to convert the FLAC-files to WAV, so I can burn it out on CD's (for personal use of course). Can somebody please try to explain in simple words how to get the files from FLAC to WAV ? I know I asked about this before, but I didn't quite understand how to do it.. So please help ! Thanks! ...Maybe this is not posted under right topic or forum, but since you're talking about MP3's and FLAC, I just had to ask.. Don't be mad.Download FLAC frontend. Just search for it in Google (It's free). The software is easy to use just load the files you want to decode and hit "decode". Then burn the resulting WAV files to audio CD. Simple |
YourValentine 05.12.2006 08:31 |
There is a FAQ section on Queenzone, you find it under "library". Check it out for more information about flac files and how to convert them. |
cexycy 08.12.2006 17:45 |
Penetration_Guru wrote:I wasn't having a bash, I understand your response and I appreciate it.cexycy wrote: There's no need to patronise. All I'm really asking is why do some people go mad if stuff is converted and distributed in MP3? If anyone wants flac, why can't they just request it like everyone else, or just go to the original source? Not hard really is it? Besides MP3s are still reasonably good quality.I wasn't patronising. You said you didn't understand - I explained it. How should the people who want flac go back to the original source - the only way is through all the mp3 people, whose response would be either "can't remember", "don't care", "just be grateful you have anything, I didn't HAVE to send you this, you know". You started this topic because you wanted to know - when I explained it, nicely and logically, you still couldn't see it. I've now had a bash at responding to your arguments (noting you didn't respond to mine) again. All I was asking is if people had the choice of what they wanted to share, the same thing could be shared a lot more, just in MP3 instead of flac in most cases. This may not be ideal, but isn't MP3 better than nothing? |
bohemianmoomin 18.12.2006 07:00 |
Makes sense to me....best to share them as FLAC so people can do with them what they want! If they want to just listen and enjoy then the files are there in the best possible quality, but say if they're like me and want to put them on an Mp3 player without taking up half a gig for one album...then its just as easy to convert them! Thanks for sharing everyone. |
Penetration_Guru 19.12.2006 15:28 |
cexycy wrote:Hang on, your first question was why the complaints over conversion, now you're saying mp3 is better than nothing.Penetration_Guru wrote:I wasn't having a bash, I understand your response and I appreciate it. All I was asking is if people had the choice of what they wanted to share, the same thing could be shared a lot more, just in MP3 instead of flac in most cases. This may not be ideal, but isn't MP3 better than nothing?cexycy wrote: There's no need to patronise. All I'm really asking is why do some people go mad if stuff is converted and distributed in MP3? If anyone wants flac, why can't they just request it like everyone else, or just go to the original source? Not hard really is it? Besides MP3s are still reasonably good quality.I wasn't patronising. You said you didn't understand - I explained it. How should the people who want flac go back to the original source - the only way is through all the mp3 people, whose response would be either "can't remember", "don't care", "just be grateful you have anything, I didn't HAVE to send you this, you know". You started this topic because you wanted to know - when I explained it, nicely and logically, you still couldn't see it. I've now had a bash at responding to your arguments (noting you didn't respond to mine) again. Well, those two positions are different, aren't they? Because if people are converting, then it isn't a choice between mp3 or nothing, it's a choice between flac or mp3. |
cexycy 19.12.2006 19:48 |
Penetration_Guru wrote:I'm probably not making myself clear.cexycy wrote:Hang on, your first question was why the complaints over conversion, now you're saying mp3 is better than nothing. Well, those two positions are different, aren't they? Because if people are converting, then it isn't a choice between mp3 or nothing, it's a choice between flac or mp3.Penetration_Guru wrote:I wasn't having a bash, I understand your response and I appreciate it. All I was asking is if people had the choice of what they wanted to share, the same thing could be shared a lot more, just in MP3 instead of flac in most cases. This may not be ideal, but isn't MP3 better than nothing?cexycy wrote: There's no need to patronise. All I'm really asking is why do some people go mad if stuff is converted and distributed in MP3? If anyone wants flac, why can't they just request it like everyone else, or just go to the original source? Not hard really is it? Besides MP3s are still reasonably good quality.I wasn't patronising. You said you didn't understand - I explained it. How should the people who want flac go back to the original source - the only way is through all the mp3 people, whose response would be either "can't remember", "don't care", "just be grateful you have anything, I didn't HAVE to send you this, you know". You started this topic because you wanted to know - when I explained it, nicely and logically, you still couldn't see it. I've now had a bash at responding to your arguments (noting you didn't respond to mine) again. What I mean is if people download flac and convert to MP3 for their own use, they are more than likely to discard the flac as they have no need for it. Therefore of they want to share, trade or whatever, they will only habe the MP3 version. Because of this you will have people distributing it in flac and MP3. My original queston was why the fuss because it is now available in both forms for the two types of people who want them. The MP3 distributors also increase the availability too. THIS is why I couldn't see a problem. |
Rik&Roll 20.12.2006 02:39 |
MDNA wrote:If you're using Winamp you can download and install a flac-plugin for winamp. Then let wa do the burning. The simplest way, I think.ITSM wrote: I think it's great either way, with MP3 or FLAC. But I'm no Mr. Computer, so I still don't understand how to convert the FLAC-files to WAV, so I can burn it out on CD's (for personal use of course). Can somebody please try to explain in simple words how to get the files from FLAC to WAV ? I know I asked about this before, but I didn't quite understand how to do it.. So please help ! Thanks! ...Maybe this is not posted under right topic or forum, but since you're talking about MP3's and FLAC, I just had to ask.. Don't be mad.Download FLAC frontend. Just search for it in Google (It's free). The software is easy to use just load the files you want to decode and hit "decode". Then burn the resulting WAV files to audio CD. Simple |
olddirtydoggy 26.12.2006 10:26 |
mp3 is the devil's format. The reason so many of the old recordings are so bad is because they are multiple generations of masters. Every time you convert to mp3 or other analog format you are degrading the quality of the files. Please Please Please stay away from mp3!!!!!!! |
john bodega 26.12.2006 10:52 |
Let's just use .ogg. |
thomasquinn 32989 26.12.2006 11:18 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Let's just use .ogg.To make a lossless OGG, you would have to convert the WAVE to FLAC first, after which it could be contained in an OGG. So there's really no sense in using OGG. |
Serry... 26.12.2006 11:43 |
olddirtydoggy wrote: Please Please Please stay away from mp3!!!!!!!Would you download Face It Alone (if someone will upload it) if it'll be in mp3 or you'd stay away from that? Just say the truth... |
Phach 26.12.2006 12:05 |
Serry Vietinhoff wrote: Would you download Face It Alone (if someone will upload it) if it'll be in mp3 or you'd stay away from that? Just say the truth...would you download a black and white picture when you know there exists a coloured one ? Of course, you would ! but you'd like to have the coloured one instead. Same thing. And remember something : from flac you can do mp3 files but from mp3 you CAN'T go back ! |
Serry... 26.12.2006 12:36 |
My point is very simple - if you wanna stay away from mp3, okay - stay away, and when some rare tracks will be shared in mp3 - be a man and stay away, don't download, wait for FLAC! But no-one of you - mp3-haters - will do so! - so please don't give us advices like "stay away from mp3s". Start from yourself. Mp3 is not like black and white picture, mp3 is like colour photo, but in jpeg format (which is compressed too, as I know) - anyone wanna have all web sites in the Internet with bmp or tiffs instead of jpegs and gifs? Huh? If you need in photo with high quality and in high resolution - you'll find tiff or something else, no problem, but if you're happy with jpeg - why should you download megabytes of tiffs (and please remember - that many fans have slow connection or pay for traffic) and then converting them to jpegs? (If I'd buy a new car - I won't buy the truck and then make sedan of that by myself, I'll buy sedan!) |
frank39 26.12.2006 13:21 |
Does anybody really think, that the words " don´t convert this or that to any lossy format,... and so on...", does anybody of those posters really believe, this prevents others from doing right that? This whole flac/mp3/quality discussions is senseless, like fighting against windmills. |
bitesthedust 29.12.2006 14:58 |
In terms of trading - Flac is the only way to be able to increase one's collection. Unless it is a particular show or one from a particular tour, I am only really interested in obtaining 1 flac show from each one, just for variety. Ages ago I downloaded an MP3 version of Nishinomiya, Japan 24/10/1982 and was reasonably happy with it. It was a bit distant at times but still listenable. Recently I was able to obtain a mastertape lossless copy of the show and I am enjoying that 10 times more now since, because it sounds perfect! Flac shows aren't just about trading... |
Penetration_Guru 30.12.2006 06:05 |
Well in fairness if you'd had an mp3 off the the mastertape that would have sounded pretty good to you too. Likewise if you'd then got your hands on a ninth generation lossless FLAC you'd have been unimpressed... |
bitesthedust 30.12.2006 07:36 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: Well in fairness if you'd had an mp3 off the the mastertape that would have sounded pretty good to you too. Likewise if you'd then got your hands on a ninth generation lossless FLAC you'd have been unimpressed...True...but I was just making the point that FLAC shows aren't just about trading. |
Dane 30.12.2006 10:49 |
Whatever is shared that is new to me I will download. It's really not important (for most here on the forum) what the quality is of these files. Of course you want the best quality, but that will never ever stop you from downloading, and having a listen. FLAC is great for big time collectors to have in their colelction, and to trade with. But with Mp3's out there these Flac's will only remain of higher value, and can be traded for more rare recordings.. win/win situation i.m.o. :) |