| carboengine 25.11.2006 11:05 |
... and it's a wonder that Brian is still healthy after inhaling all of that second-hand smoke, especially in the studios. |
| deleted user 25.11.2006 11:41 |
^Interesting, if you listen to Roger's singing on the album Queen at the BBC you'll find that Roger's voice isn't nearly as raspy as it is now. However, his voice has always been that way (raspy), which is what makes his singing so unique compared to Freddie's or Brian's. I think its safe to say Roger's singing voice hasn't worsened at all throughout Queen's career. Today, his voice is stronger than ever. He did a beautiful job on the previous two tours. Absolutely brilliant! |
| rosedewitt 25.11.2006 15:02 |
roger has a singing voice? i wouldn't call it even a voice... |
| thomasquinn 32989 25.11.2006 16:08 |
rosedewitt wrote: roger has a singing voice? i wouldn't call it even a voice...That would be to do with the fact that you know squat about music then. |
| rocks. 25.11.2006 16:48 |
I LOVE roger's voice, I think he did a great job on the tours. I dont think smoking has changed it to much, it still sounds great to me. Say It's Not True is great live, I like his live voice alot. |
| Rick 25.11.2006 17:28 |
rosedewitt wrote: roger has a singing voice? i wouldn't call it even a voice...Edit: I changed my mind, ignoring this would be more appropiate. |
| rosedewitt 25.11.2006 18:18 |
<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:well you're funny... but i can't laugh about it either. to make it clear: the fact that i am a musician doesn't mean that i know everything about music.rosedewitt wrote: roger has a singing voice? i wouldn't call it even a voice...That would be to do with the fact that you know squat about music then. well and i was just wondering cos people talk about caballes voice, domingos voice, pavarottis voice, callas voice, ... and roger taylors "voice"?! just think a moment about it.. :P |
| rocks. 25.11.2006 19:20 |
so according to you anything not opera isnt a voice? Pfft, Freddie didnt have an operatic voice, but he CERTIANLY had an amazing voice. Roger has quite a nice one too. |
| SaveMe09 25.11.2006 20:10 |
anybody know if he still smokes? |
| The Real Wizard 25.11.2006 21:01 |
rosedewitt wrote: well and i was just wondering cos people talk about caballes voice, domingos voice, pavarottis voice, callas voice, ... and roger taylors "voice"?! just think a moment about it.. :PWell, obviously Roger isn't in that group. So are you going to discount all raspy-sounding singers? If so, then I guess Janis Joplin, Melissa Ethridge, Bonnie Tyler, and Rod Stewart have to go, too. |
| Scott_Mercury 25.11.2006 21:27 |
SaveMe09 wrote: anybody know if he still smokes?Rog gave up smoking in 1987. fact |
| eenaweena 25.11.2006 21:35 |
hm... i guess it did. come on, after A Day At The Races or Jazz (i think) he couldn't do the falsettos he used to do. ex: The March Of The Black Queen. there were less falsettos onward their career, especially in the 80's. :) |
| Winter Land Man 26.11.2006 00:42 |
Scott_Mercury wrote:PROOF?SaveMe09 wrote: anybody know if he still smokes?Rog gave up smoking in 1987. fact |
| Serry... 26.11.2006 03:47 |
I'd hang someone if Pavarotti will ever dare to sing I'm In Love With My Car... |
| rosedewitt 26.11.2006 05:25 |
i can also compare his singing with other rocksingers like cohen, sinatra, stewart, mercury, ... he would also fail, because he hasn't got a voice, the only thing he's doing is screaming and not singing. i don't understand why you feel offended, - roger is a drummer, a great drummer, but he can't sing. it seems to me that you want the person you like doing everything fantastic, but that's so far away from reality. |
| Serry... 26.11.2006 05:43 |
You've named Stewart whose voice is very similar to Roger's... Well - because we don't see the criterions of comparing Roger's voice with voices of opera singers (especially female singers). Because it's impossible to compare Roger's voice with voices of other rock singers. Whose voice is better Caballe's or Pavarotti's? Can you please answer? By your judgement over 95% of rock singers are not singers at all... "Roger Taylor has greater facility for the high tones, he has a great falsetto voice. He is the one that produces the classical screams in the choirs of Queen. Roger is the one that reaches the tones over the F4, the High F, more easily. In the culminating part of the operatic section in 'Bohemian Rhapsody', Roger produces the famous Bb4 in the end." - by Andres |
| cmsdrums 26.11.2006 07:59 |
Saying that Roger Taylor only screams and doesn't sing is absolutely ludicrous. 'I'm, In Love With My Car' is one of the truly great rock vocals which, if it had been recorded by, for example Steven Tyler or Rod Stewart, would be praised to high heaven. Rod Stewart is a comporable name that keeps coming up - in the early Faces days he certainly was a gret vocalist, but over the years both his voice, and the choice of material he has chosen to sing with it, have both declined badly. In addition, his pitching is pretty poor now compared to the old days. I actually remember Roger saying in a recent interview that although his falsetto ability has declined over the years (the high stuff such as in Bo Rhap, In The Lap Of The Gods etc..), his actual full range has extended and he can get higher in his stronger 'true' voice before having to resort to falsetto. I think a good example of this is the chorus harmonies in No-One But You on the lines "they're only flying too close to the sun". In addition, Paul Rodgers has repeatedly said in recent interviews that when he started working with Queen not only was he taken aback with how brilliant Roger is as a drummer, but he is also an amazing vocalist in his own right too - sounds like good enough praise from someone often referred to as one of the greatest British singers of all time. |
| rosedewitt 26.11.2006 08:58 |
well you can't convince me and backwards, - in my opinion roger should stay behind his drumset and keep his mouth shut, in your opinion he probably should have replaced freddie mercury, - well let's leave everyone's opinion stay. btw i mentioned rod stewart because he was mentioned before, - in my opinion he hasn't got a good voice. and yes, there are just very few singers in rock-/pop music who have really a good voice. however, when you're yourself a singer you get very critical with the others voices, that's maybe why you don't understand me. |
| rosedewitt 26.11.2006 09:01 |
Serry Vietinhoff wrote: "Roger Taylor has greater facility for the high tones, he has a great falsetto voice. He is the one that produces the classical screams in the choirs of Queen. Roger is the one that reaches the tones over the F4, the High F, more easily. In the culminating part of the operatic section in 'Bohemian Rhapsody', Roger produces the famous Bb4 in the end." - by Andresok, the little son of my aunt (2 years old) can also "produce" the Bb4, - and? the amplitude for a voice is never a criteria for a good voice. we have to accept that roger taylor is not a singer, some have the voice for singing, but he hasn't. (btw it's not the Bb4 but the Bb3 he is screaming in boh rhap, it's count the Bb4 cos he is male but that's wrong, in fact it's still the Bb3, - it's beside the point but still a fact) |
| Serry... 26.11.2006 09:19 |
You're avoiding my question - who's better Cabale or Pavarotti (if you are singer yourself - you'd NEVER compare other singers to each other...)? Who's better - the proffessional well trained orchestra drummer who touches timpani two times during 2-hours symphony or former ukulele player from The Reaction band Roger Taylor? Just give us criterions of 'good' voice. If you use opera standards then it's ridiculous, because if I'd use rock standards for drummers, for instance, then ALL drummers from ALL philarmonic orchestras can't play on their f*cking instrument and my 1 years old neighbour can play better (as well as Ringo was crappy drummer, Macca is crappy bassist, but hey - they are still The Beatles!) |
| Fiendishly Yours 26.11.2006 09:29 |
rosedewitt wrote:Amplitude may not be good criteria for a voice, but what about control? I've always thought that Roger has great control over his singing, seeing as he can quickly and accurately change from low to high notes fast as lighting and still be considered in tune. (See Bo. Rhap. See MotBQ. Etc.) I highly doubt that a two-year-old can be credited with having control over his high-pitched shrieking, because without control, shrieking is just what it is. ;DSerry Vietinhoff wrote: "Roger Taylor has greater facility for the high tones, he has a great falsetto voice. He is the one that produces the classical screams in the choirs of Queen. Roger is the one that reaches the tones over the F4, the High F, more easily. In the culminating part of the operatic section in 'Bohemian Rhapsody', Roger produces the famous Bb4 in the end." - by Andresok, the little son of my aunt (2 years old) can also "produce" the Bb4, - and? the amplitude for a voice is never a criteria for a good voice. we have to accept that roger taylor is not a singer, some have the voice for singing, but he hasn't. (btw it's not the Bb4 but the Bb3 he is screaming in boh rhap, it's count the Bb4 cos he is male but that's wrong, in fact it's still the Bb3, - it's beside the point but still a fact) 'Love to you, Mr. Taylor. |
| Jjeroen 26.11.2006 09:37 |
Smoking ALWAYS affects one's voice. As does quitting! ;-) In Roger's case - it's more a matter of old age. Age affects everybody's voice in some way - even if they do not smoke. Come on - the guy goes towards 60! ;-) And agreed that he never was the worlds greatest vocalist to begin with. (But at least better then Brian and it DOES sound good, which is good enough to speak of a 'voice'). Apart from that... I yawn again at almost everything rosedewit says... But please DO tell us what you make of the sound that is being orally produced by Paul Rodgers and Ronnie James Dio? (I dare not call them 'voices' before I read your thoughts on them) |
| Scott_Mercury 26.11.2006 09:39 |
Serry Vietinhoff wrote: (as well as Ringo was crappy drummer, Macca is crappy bassist, but hey - they are still The Beatles!)Not to get off topic here, but I totally disagree with these statements. 1) While Ringo is not responsible for even .01% of the Beatles catalog in terms of songwriting, his signature "backbeat" or less is more approach was the absolute foundation to the early Beatles sound. Had Neil Peart or John Bonham been drumming for the Beatles in 1962, most of the world would of said "what the fuck is that drumming mess, I can't even hear the singing or instruments over that drumming bullshit." 2) McCartney was easily the most technically gifted musician in the Beatles. And by the accounts George Martin "Paul was certainly the most gifted one, technically speaking of the group. He wasn't demoted to bass because he couldn't play guitar, he was actually the best guitarist of the group. He agreed to bass because he knew know one else in the group could properly do it, or just not the way he wanted it done." When Rolling Stone asked George Martin in 1976 if he thought of any one Beatles as the leader, his answer: "It was essentially John's band until Yoko came around, then I would say Paul took over sometime in 1967." "However, Paul was always the musical director, always my assistant. Paul always made sure everyone played their best, as if they didn't, they had to deal with his attitude for sometimes days. I guess he was sort of a bully in the studio, in those days anyway." -George Martin |
| rosedewitt 26.11.2006 09:46 |
Serry Vietinhoff wrote: You're avoiding my question - who's better Cabale or Pavarotti (if you are singer yourself - you'd NEVER compare other singers to each other...)? Who's better - the proffessional well trained orchestra drummer who touches timpani two times during 2-hours symphony or former ukulele player from The Reaction band Roger Taylor? Just give us criterions of 'good' voice. If you use opera standards then it's ridiculous, because if I'd use rock standards for drummers, for instance, then ALL drummers from ALL philarmonic orchestras can't play on their f*cking instrument and my 1 years old neighbour can play better (as well as Ringo was crappy drummer, Macca is crappy bassist, but hey - they are still The Beatles!)of course i compare singers with each other, - but who is Cabale? :P ok if it offends you i won't compare roger with maria callas because she's female, and not montserrat caballé, but what about carreras? he's a man. and if i even don't compare him with other singers and only with rocksingers, he also can't keep up with them. who has the better voice, freddie mercury or roger taylor? roger taylor? wow, and why didn't the stupid band let him sing instead of freddie? because no one would have listen to queen anymore. and i am sorry to say that so directly but you have no idea what a drummer in a phil.orchestra is teached in over his education, how much he learns, how many instruments he must be able to play, not only his instruments, but also harmonics and all the classes he also have to do in a study (which i don't know the english words for). it's a full study for some years and not only sit behind the drumset and beat the drums and cymbals. i am sure every orchestra drummer can play the patterns roger playes, and he could play them as well. and to be honest, i don't think any symph.orchestra would have ask roger taylor to play with them. but that's not the point, in rock music he might be the best drummer ever, i don't care. the point is, that roger taylor can't sing, you can say what you want, i have my own ears and i heard his voice some times and in my opinion this man has not the voice to sing. and criterias for a good voice are for example the "sound", when it sounds clear without any scratch. when it is very movable. when it is very strong and can also change into very pianissimo. when it is flexible and can sound different, but is still a singing. when it can express emotions. when it sounds wide and not pressed. when you can listen hours to it and you are still relaxed,and not if you listen to it and get throat ache just by listening. and when it is getting better and better by the years until a climax, and not getting worse because of the wrong technique. and many more. |
| rosedewitt 26.11.2006 09:52 |
jeroen wrote: And agreed that he never was the worlds greatest vocalist to begin with. (But at least better then Brian and it DOES sound good, which is good enough to speak of a 'voice'). Apart from that... I yawn again at almost everything rosedewit says... But please DO tell us what you make of the sound that is being orally produced by Paul Rodgers and Ronnie James Dio? (I dare not call them 'voices' before I read your thoughts on them)i guess you're not really interested in my opinion about their voices but just want me to say that i don't like them. well i won't say whether i like their voices or not because the topic is about rogers voice. start a new one and maybe i'll post my opinion. |
| Serry... 26.11.2006 09:56 |
"ok if it offends you" It offends you mostly actually - because you're comparing people... "who has the better voice, freddie mercury or roger taylor? roger taylor? wow, and why didn't the stupid band let him sing instead of freddie? because no one would have listen to queen anymore." Oh c'mon if you have some more of these childish arguments then stop replying better or grow up. "Roger has a good voice" - "Really?! Then why Freddie was singer? So you'd preffer Roger instead of Freddie? So you hate Freddie? So that was you who killed JFK?". Leave that shit for kids - "my daddy is bigger than yours" etc. "and i am sorry to say that so directly but you have no idea what a drummer in a phil.orchestra" You have no idea what is standards for vocals in rock music. "i am sure every orchestra drummer can play the patterns roger playes, and he could play them as well." And I'm sure (though I'm not) that Roger can sing opera, so what? Are we gonna discuss about what we're sure and what we aren't? Drummer from orchestra plays his easiest sounds, drummer from rock band plays hardest patterns. End of story. "in rock music he might be the best drummer ever, i don't care." Then you'd better stop listen to rock band Queen. "i have my own ears" Not only you, let me tell you. Yours are not better than mine or someone's else. "when it can express emotions." Now I really doubt if you have heard any song sung by Rog then (in your words he doesn't express emotions...). |
| you_rock_my_socks06 26.11.2006 10:02 |
Why does an arguement have to break out into every single thread? Can't we all just be happy lol |
| rosedewitt 26.11.2006 10:25 |
Serry Vietinhoff wrote: Drummer from orchestra plays his easiest sounds, drummer from rock band plays hardest patterns. End of story.lol thanks for your amusing post! but this one is wrong: just inform yourself, most of the patterns used in rock music are very easy to play for every drummer, besides if classical or rock education. well i didn't say my opinion is the one and only right one all over the world, i just said it's my own personal opinion, so let me have my opinion and don't try to convince me, that's childish. when you can't bear that other people have a different opinion from yours, well then you shouldn't read and discuss in boards/forums. this is really becoming off-topic and if you still want to argue anymore we can do that privately, but this discussion doesn't interest anybody. |
| rosedewitt 26.11.2006 10:26 |
you_rock_my_socks06 wrote: Why does an arguement have to break out into every single thread? Can't we all just be happy lolbecause there's no f*ckin' mod which looks after the boards and closes threads like this one ;) |
| Serry... 26.11.2006 10:35 |
rosedewitt wrote: well i didn't say my opinion is the one and only right one all over the world, i just said it's my own personal opinion, so let me have my opinion and don't try to convince me, that's childish.Actually you did. If you'd say "I don't like Roger's voice" - that's okay, that's something called "personal taste", but then it goes with all those semi-proffessional so-called 'proofs' - it's not opinion then. And yes - all those words about replacement Freddie by Roger only because Roger has voice too is childish bullshit. How that Freddie had dare to take guitar in his hands when there was Brian around him?! He couldn't play any fucking single chord! What a crime! Freddie wanted to replace Bri by himself! when you can't bear that other people have a different opinion from yours, well then you shouldn't read and discuss in boards/forums.Talking to yourself? |
| Bohemian MAY-niac/Deaconite 26.11.2006 10:41 |
you_rock_my_socks06 wrote: Why does an arguement have to break out into every single thread? Can't we all just be happy lolI agree! The poor person who wanted his/her simple question answered ended up getting a debate turned arguement over how good Roger is at singing. We're all die hard Queen fans, lets just drop the arguements and answer the question. Everyone has their opinion, but can't we just be nice and help this person out? Now, I'm going to leave my opinion. I don't care if all of you tear and rip me apart. I think that Roger has a damn good singing voice!! It takes a lot of talent for a man to sing and hit very high falsettos on pitch. I asked my dad if he could hit those falsettos in Bo Rap, because he used to sing, and he said that he couldn't and that it takes a man with lots of talent to hit those notes on pitch. My Music teacher also said the same thing. Hell, I even tried to match Roger during that operatic section in Bo Rap while singing along and I can't do it. I have to sing the lower parts. So, say what you want. Roger is a good singer!!! |
| rosedewitt 26.11.2006 10:53 |
i think you are the person which can't accept the others opinion, i really don't care whether you like rogers voice or not, he'd better shut his mouth, but ok when there are really people who like his voice they shall listen to him, - at least i don't have to do it. and again: this got off topic, what we can do is -start a new thread "arguements: is roger taylor a professionell singer or not" or -let everybody have his opinion or -keep discussing in much more mindless posts on this boring thread which no one will ever read again. |
| Katicas..(L) 26.11.2006 10:55 |
i think roger got a sweet voice and i hope he not a smoker for his childrens sake. |
| Serry... 26.11.2006 11:00 |
"i think you are the person which can't accept the others opinion" I can't see opinion here. All what I can see is that you don't like Roger and his voice and how you're hardly trying to force us to do the same because there's Pavarotti. Where's an opinion?! "at least i don't have to do it." At least you have to do it - he sings on half of Queen albums. "-start a new thread "arguements: is roger taylor a professionell singer or not" Rock music is not professional music, Freddie is not professional vocalist (he was a professional designer) as well as Roger is not professional drummer. Rock music is amateur music, this is why all your so-called professional words and arguements doesn't work here. Try to deal with that fact. |
| Jjeroen 26.11.2006 11:01 |
rosedewitt wrote:No, dear, I am trying to find the edge of your theory. Cause like other people said, it seems like to you only operettic voices are proper 'voices' - which is of course bull.jeroen wrote: And agreed that he never was the worlds greatest vocalist to begin with. (But at least better then Brian and it DOES sound good, which is good enough to speak of a 'voice'). Apart from that... I yawn again at almost everything rosedewit says... But please DO tell us what you make of the sound that is being orally produced by Paul Rodgers and Ronnie James Dio? (I dare not call them 'voices' before I read your thoughts on them)i guess you're not really interested in my opinion about their voices but just want me to say that i don't like them. well i won't say whether i like their voices or not because the topic is about rogers voice. start a new one and maybe i'll post my opinion. Just want to check if two of the technically best and strongest pairs of lungs in rock history live up to your expectations. (And btw: I'm not interestid in you LIKING them, you're right about that. I'm interested if you believe that they are good and are proper 'voices' in YOUR sence of the word. If this discussion was about LIKING someone's voice we would not be having this discussion at all. Most of us LIKE Roger's voice - which is something else then knowing he is or not a technically good vocalist.) And 'no' I will not start a new threat. One of the most annoying things on the internetboards is people starting new topics with something that is actually a reply to another one. If we all would do this then by now we would have all different topics about Rod Steward, Janis Joplin, Pavarotti, Caballe and all the other singers mentioned in this threat. Oh and: this topic was about the question if smoking had affected Roger's voice. Why didn't YOU start a new threat with the title 'Roger does not have a voice'? |
| Serry... 26.11.2006 11:53 |
I love reading jeroen's replies! They always are like a live organism - you never know how many times he'll click "Edit" button. You may come back after 5 mins and it'll be a little bit different, then again after 5 mins it'll totally different and in the end it will be "Sorry, I clicked the wrong button". Man, you're guru of the replying technology! :) |
| carboengine 26.11.2006 12:32 |
rocks. wrote: I LOVE roger's voice, I think he did a great job on the tours. I dont think smoking has changed it to much, it still sounds great to me. Say It's Not True is great live, I like his live voice alot.In addition to I'm In Love With My Car, I think Say It's Not True is Roger's signature song. No one could do it better. I turn into a sobbing mess whenever I hear it. (Anyone who has gotten bad news about a loved one can relate to it.) The raspiness makes it all the more poignant. I think Queen used Roger's and Brian's voices well -- enough but not too often. I think Brian does a much better job on 39 than Freddie. I love Roger and Brian, but there is no way I would want to sit through a concert with either being the lead singer. Would anyone care to list Roger's solo songs over the Queen years and what cd/dvd they are on. As far as defining "professional," promoters loved them because, "They always delivered." It was the whole package - the talents, the songs, the costumes, the incredible stage lighting, the videos, the extraordinary attention to detail. "Professional" is most certainly not limited to classical music genres. It spans all vocations -- journalists, electricians, Sesame Street productions, etc. Queen and professional belong in the same sentence. |
| Jjeroen 26.11.2006 13:19 |
Serry Vietinhoff wrote: I love reading jeroen's replies! They always are like a live organism - you never know how many times he'll click "Edit" button. You may come back after 5 mins and it'll be a little bit different, then again after 5 mins it'll totally different and in the end it will be "Sorry, I clicked the wrong button". Man, you're guru of the replying technology! :)LOL - thank you Serry, but... I did not edit this post! :-))) |
| rosedewitt 26.11.2006 14:22 |
i'm getting bored on that discussion, so that will be my last post on this thread. why do you think rock music can't be done profesionell? i think it can, but of course not with lead singers like roger taylor.. there are some voices i really like in rock music (leonard cohen, art garfunkel, mariah carey, for example), and there are many voices in opera music i don't like (pavarotti, freni, for example), but that doesn't mean that cohen has a great voice and pavarotti has a bad voice, - it's only my opinion about their voices. it's not like this that i like every opera singer and hate every rockstar, - maybe you want me to be like this that your arguments against me are established. it's really not too hard to understand that i am talking about my opinion all the time, so i don't understand why you don't get it... or you don't want to get it, - because you really can't be so stupid... well, that's what i have to say, i don't like rogers voice because he can't sing, but in the background of queen songs it is bearable. you won't assess me that i only like opera singers, because that's idiotic. and last but not least i don't care what do you think about me or my opinion or whatever, i am posting my opinion wherever i like and if you don't want to read it well then don't read it. i don't want to be bothered with your mindless posts in this thread so i won't visit that topic anymore. now write/do/discuss in here whatever you like, i won't read or comment it. |
| Serry... 26.11.2006 14:31 |
rosedewitt wrote: there are some voices i really like in rock music (leonard cohen, art garfunkel, mariah carey, for example)Those are the greatest rock stars ever. Especially Carey. Yeah... You should learn more and more about rock music before giving advices to Roger about his mouth... Calling me as the author of stupid and mindless posts is the best arguement which I so like! It happens all the time on QZ... Sadly... |
| mike hunt 27.11.2006 03:34 |
rosedewitt wrote:I know you said your done with this topic, but I mostly agree with you. Roger has an ok voice, but he's kind of a poor mans rod steward or david bowie. unoriginal in the vocals department. For the record, ronnie dio is easily better than roger as a vocalist, as is paul rodgers. He does sing the heavier songs better than brian, but brian is better at ballads. All in all, roger is nothing better than a c level vocalist. decent, but not great.jeroen wrote: And agreed that he never was the worlds greatest vocalist to begin with. (But at least better then Brian and it DOES sound good, which is good enough to speak of a 'voice'). Apart from that... I yawn again at almost everything rosedewit says... But please DO tell us what you make of the sound that is being orally produced by Paul Rodgers and Ronnie James Dio? (I dare not call them 'voices' before I read your thoughts on them)i guess you're not really interested in my opinion about their voices but just want me to say that i don't like them. well i won't say whether i like their voices or not because the topic is about rogers voice. start a new one and maybe i'll post my opinion. |
| Jjeroen 27.11.2006 06:30 |
*waves @ Serry* |
| Winter Land Man 27.11.2006 22:29 |
mike hunt wrote:I've gotta agree with Mike.rosedewitt wrote:I know you said your done with this topic, but I mostly agree with you. Roger has an ok voice, but he's kind of a poor mans rod steward or david bowie. unoriginal in the vocals department. For the record, ronnie dio is easily better than roger as a vocalist, as is paul rodgers. He does sing the heavier songs better than brian, but brian is better at ballads. All in all, roger is nothing better than a c level vocalist. decent, but not great.jeroen wrote: And agreed that he never was the worlds greatest vocalist to begin with. (But at least better then Brian and it DOES sound good, which is good enough to speak of a 'voice'). Apart from that... I yawn again at almost everything rosedewit says... But please DO tell us what you make of the sound that is being orally produced by Paul Rodgers and Ronnie James Dio? (I dare not call them 'voices' before I read your thoughts on them)i guess you're not really interested in my opinion about their voices but just want me to say that i don't like them. well i won't say whether i like their voices or not because the topic is about rogers voice. start a new one and maybe i'll post my opinion. |
| e-man 28.11.2006 04:32 |
it all depends who you are comparing him to. Roger was in a band with Freddie Mercury. you're not of to a good start there roger is not in the league with freddie and paul rodgers (or Dio for that matter) - but he is still a good singer. he can carry a tune, in addition to the sharpness in his voice - this makes him, in my book, a good singer. His vocals on I'm in love with my car, The looser in the end, tenement funster etc are all good vocals. also, check out his cover of Rock and Roll... his harmonies are superb, and he was able to hit some incredible notes. even though he has lost some of his falsetto, his voice is still strong. probably stronger than ever. his vocals was a major part of the Q&PR tour. listen to when they played hammer to fall and I want it all without paul rodgers. it still sounds alot better than The BRian May band - and that's due not only to Roger's drumming, but vocals as well (he did a superb job on the bridge in hammer to fall!) to call roger a medicore singer is b****hit. most singers are medicore compared to Freddie Mercury (and Paul Rodgers..) but freddie was superhuman in the vocal department - at least in the rock/pop category (heck, who else could have done barcelona..) both Brian and Paul Rodgers have gone on the record saying Roger is a very good singer. both of them should know what they're talking about. Brian worked with the world's greatest singer for 20 years, and Paul is regarded as one of the best singers in the world. so my guess is that they know what they're talking about of you don't like Roger's voice, fine - but don't call him a medicore singer I don't like Mariah Carey's voice, can't stand her in fact, but that doesn't make her a bad singer. far from it |
| mike hunt 28.11.2006 06:23 |
medicore doesn't mean bad. I like some of his vocals, "say it's not true" was a good vocal performance, but loser in the end wasn't very good. If people like freddie, plant, rodgers, dio were the A list type singers, what would that make roger?...a B- or a C level singer?...I think so. |
| Hermes2 29.11.2006 03:49 |
Whoa... back on topic a moment... Did smoking affect Roger's voice? Yes, probably, considering how detrimental it is to the voice. However, considering his voice was already raspy, a difference would be harder to notice. It should affect his range, but I haven't made a study of the history of his range, so I can't answer that (but I think someone else already did). What I can say is that when he sang "I'm in Love With My Car" early this year in Q+PR, it sounded exactly like the original recording... which is either impressive or not, depending on how you look at it, but it at least means he still has about the same vocal timbre. Now... back off topic... Is Roger a good singer? Well... yeah. Just because he has a raspy voice doesn't mean he is hard to listen to, or that his voice isn't good, or that he he has a narrow emotional range that he would sound good in (angry/heavy). Just because a raspy voice is a harsher sound shouldn't mean that it is hard to listen to, so I don't know where that comes from. I could probably listen to overdriven guitar all day and it would still rock. Additionally, anyone who's heard "November Rain" or "What a Wonderful World" knows that a raspy voice is capable of other things than hard rock. Also, once you get high enough (as Roger can/could), then timbre really becomes less of an issue. For example, the high Bb5 of Bohemian Rhapsody sounds great, and is done with vibrato, which I have found makes it harder (though I may be in the minority on this). I haven't listened to very many songs where Roger sings lead in, but from what I have heard, I believe he has the technical and emotional ability associated with good singing, even if a naturally raspy voice makes it harder to convey varied emotions. |
| theCro 29.11.2006 19:12 |
Roger has fantastic voice :) |
| MadeInMadhouse 30.11.2006 09:41 |
I dont Care if Roger Taylor Voice, I love his songs, not only for his voice, the lirycs of his songs are great... I love his solo work, dont matter about the tecnical standards.. Who cares about it if he can sing his songs.. The hell with the tecnical matters.. |
| Crisstti 10.03.2009 12:12 |
wrote: ^Interesting, if you listen to Roger's singing on the album Queen at the BBC you'll find that Roger's voice isn't nearly as raspy as it is now. However, his voice has always been that way (raspy), which is what makes his singing so unique compared to Freddie's or Brian's. I think its safe to say Roger's singing voice hasn't worsened at all throughout Queen's career. Today, his voice is stronger than ever. He did a beautiful job on the previous two tours. Absolutely brilliant! At least when they played in Chile, Roger's voice didn't sound too well. It was noticeable. It sounded very tired or something... |
| Winter Land Man 10.03.2009 15:26 |
Hearing Roger sing Radio Ga Ga (even a long time ago) sounds horrible!!! |
| paulosham 10.03.2009 19:26 |
It may not have affected his singing but it sure did affect his songwriting[img=/images/smiley/msn/tounge_smile.gif][/img] |
| redspecialusa 10.03.2009 20:18 |
Not really...apart from aging, and natural voice changes (that all singers go through in one sense or another), I don't think it had much of an effect. Roger is probably the greatest rock backing vocalist. You can't compare anyone to him because he was a counter tenor (I don't know if he can still go that high anymore), and that was like unheard of in rock music. His raspiness & tone is somewhat comparable to Rod Stewart, but apart from how their voices sound, you really can't compare them. |
| Danne 11.03.2009 06:18 |
rosedewitt wrote:Serry Vietinhoff wrote: Drummer from orchestra plays his easiest sounds, drummer from rock band plays hardest patterns. End of story.lol thanks for your amusing post! but this one is wrong: just inform yourself, most of the patterns used in rock music are very easy to play for every drummer, besides if classical or rock education. I have to challenge this, because it's too ridiculous to remain unchallenged. :) Handling the percussion instruments in an orchestra is of course not an easy task, especially if you look at music written since the end of the 19th century. You must have skill and technique aplenty, and you have to have an education that - in time - rivals that of a surgeon. However, most classical percussionists can't play rock if their life depended on it. Sure, there are exceptions, but most of the time it sounds really bad. Does it mean they can't play the basic pattern a rock drummer does? No, of course not, since a standard rock pattern is quite straightforward. But - and this is a huge but - playing and singing music has to do with more than just getting the notes right, it has to do with stuff that is difficult to explain and analyze, it has to do with feel, a basic grip of style, etc. That's why I wouldn't want the timpanist from The Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra playing drums in Queen, because it would (in all probability) sound rather bad. The same is true the other way around, of course. Now, you can argue that this is because drums and orchestral percussion are two different instruments, and of course it's true. But you could ask a great jazz drummer, and he/she probably wouldn't be able to play a Queen song aswell as Roger Taylor, no matter how much more technical skills he/she has. Believe me, I've seen it happen. By the way, the same is true with vocals. |
| thequeen 11.03.2009 11:33 |
Crisstti wrote:wrote: ^Interesting, if you listen to Roger's singing on the album Queen at the BBC you'll find that Roger's voice isn't nearly as raspy as it is now. However, his voice has always been that way (raspy), which is what makes his singing so unique compared to Freddie's or Brian's. I think its safe to say Roger's singing voice hasn't worsened at all throughout Queen's career. Today, his voice is stronger than ever. He did a beautiful job on the previous two tours. Absolutely brilliant!At least when they played in Chile, Roger's voice didn't sound too well. It was noticeable. It sounded very tired or something... Yes , tired of Paul Rodgers .....and the awful TCR-album they somehow had to "promote" ...sad , sad ! |
| Rick 11.03.2009 11:59 |
thequeen wrote:Crisstti wrote:Yes , tired of Paul Rodgers .....and the awful TCR-album they somehow had to "promote" ...sad , sad !wrote: ^Interesting, if you listen to Roger's singing on the album Queen at the BBC you'll find that Roger's voice isn't nearly as raspy as it is now. However, his voice has always been that way (raspy), which is what makes his singing so unique compared to Freddie's or Brian's. I think its safe to say Roger's singing voice hasn't worsened at all throughout Queen's career. Today, his voice is stronger than ever. He did a beautiful job on the previous two tours. Absolutely brilliant!At least when they played in Chile, Roger's voice didn't sound too well. It was noticeable. It sounded very tired or something... Fancy a swim in my new pool filled with anthrax? |
| cmsdrums 11.03.2009 16:02 |
Serry... wrote: Rock music is not professional music, Freddie is not professional vocalist (he was a professional designer) as well as Roger is not professional drummer. Rock music is amateur music, this is why all your so-called professional words and arguements doesn't work here. Try to deal with that fact. The fact is, that anything that is done as paid work, and is your main income source, and is listed on your passport and insurance applications etc.. as your occupation, is professional. Therefore whether it be Freddie, Roger, Mick Jagger, Roger Daltrey, Ian Gillan, Lemmy. Dave Grohl etc..etc..., all of these and more can be classed as professional musicians, and their chosen music to write/perform is rock, so I see no reason as to why they cannot be classed as professional rock musicians. Was Freddie ever a paid designer?? I spent years learning biology at school but I'm not and never have been a professional doctor! I suppose by your arguments I'm a better driver than Lewis Hamilton because I've had fewer car crashes?!!! |
| Winter Land Man 11.03.2009 16:39 |
Roger sucks live, but he was great in the damn studio. His solo albums rock my cock! I Cry For You is probably his best song. Everything by The Cross, is WONDERFUL. I've actually been influenced by Roger's solo music and The Cross's music, the way it's performed, the lyrics, music, etc. |
| demonwolf 11.03.2009 22:06 |
Roger can't sing? What the hell is wrong with people? Sure you may not like his voice but saying he can't sing or that he "sucks" is ignorant and blatantly false. Fantastic range and power, and the best backing vocalist a band could have. Go check out some of his solo work if you doubt his voice. And he sucks live?! His strong backing vocals keep it all together. What would Hammer To Fall, We Are The Champions, Another One Bites The Dust etc etc etc be without his raspy, powerful voice? It gives the songs a whole other intensity. Roger on A Kind Of Magic was the highlight of the Wembley concert last year (along with Cosmos Rockin') Found a good audio of the performance at 02 Arena the night before. link |
| beautifulsoup 12.03.2009 16:24 |
Resurrecting a thread from almost 3 years ago...and continuing the argument. I love it. [img=/images/smiley/msn/confused_smile.gif][/img] [img=/images/smiley/msn/teeth_smile.gif][/img] |
| April 12.03.2009 17:39 |
Smoking always affects one's voice. Look how it affected the Beatles, Lennon and Harrison...And Roger as well. |
| thequeen 12.03.2009 19:52 |
true ....it's yourself who's getting the "bill" eventually ....drinking too ! ...whatnot actually ? |
| Crisstti 12.03.2009 21:52 |
Resurrecting a thread from almost 3 years ago...and continuing the argument. I love it. LOL... I'm sorry!. It was kind of an accident. I had been reading the thread and forgot that it was that old. People still seem to have something to say about this, though!. I have to agree with the person who said that Queen members are/were professional musicians. It's profesional because you get paid for it, indeed. It has nothing to do with a degree. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 13.03.2009 00:06 |
Since stupidity reigns in this thread, Roger Taylor is a fantastic singer. Could he sing with the 3 Tenors? No. Could he sing Drowse with more emotion, believability and bittersweetness than any of the 3 Tenors? Of course. Roger Taylor is no better or worse a vocalist than Rod Stewart, as he is the closest point of comparison. Both are unique, and in THEIR OWN RIGHT, wonderful singers. Anyone who doesn't get this is a snob, or knows everything about the theory of music, and nothing about the power of music. |
| john bodega 13.03.2009 02:42 |
I think his voice, by it's nature, is limited in application compared to those truly genre-hopping singers out there. But he's proven himself as a fantastic interpreter, that's a fact. His version of "These Are The Days Of Our Lives", for instance. |
| mike hunt 13.03.2009 14:10 |
roger is a poor mans rod steward as a singer, but he's a great screamer. His screams are almost as good as rob halfords. |
| thequeen 13.03.2009 19:10 |
I agree, on Queen II for example ! |
| Marcos Napier 14.03.2009 01:25 |
He's pretty much an average singer, when he's not doing the typical Queen stuff (harmonies, falsettos etc.). But this thread and resulting arguments should have stopped when Mariah Carey was quoted as being a rock singer anyway. And to keep on topic: smoking did worse for Freddie than for Roger IMHO. If Roger's voice sounds weak, it's called aging. |
| Crisstti 14.03.2009 14:26 |
Freddie smoke more, didn't he?. In the 80's he's almost always smoking. |
| «¤~Mrš. BÃD GÛŸ~¤» 15.03.2009 20:19 |
Rogers should team up with Stevie Nicks and do a Duet! That would sound awsome! |
| Fur 19.03.2009 15:13 |
Danne wrote:rosedewitt wrote:I have to challenge this, because it's too ridiculous to remain unchallenged. :) Handling the percussion instruments in an orchestra is of course not an easy task, especially if you look at music written since the end of the 19th century. You must have skill and technique aplenty, and you have to have an education that - in time - rivals that of a surgeon. However, most classical percussionists can't play rock if their life depended on it. Sure, there are exceptions, but most of the time it sounds really bad. Does it mean they can't play the basic pattern a rock drummer does? No, of course not, since a standard rock pattern is quite straightforward. But - and this is a huge but - playing and singing music has to do with more than just getting the notes right, it has to do with stuff that is difficult to explain and analyze, it has to do with feel, a basic grip of style, etc. That's why I wouldn't want the timpanist from The Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra playing drums in Queen, because it would (in all probability) sound rather bad. The same is true the other way around, of course. Now, you can argue that this is because drums and orchestral percussion are two different instruments, and of course it's true. But you could ask a great jazz drummer, and he/she probably wouldn't be able to play a Queen song aswell as Roger Taylor, no matter how much more technical skills he/she has. Believe me, I've seen it happen. By the way, the same is true with vocals.Serry Vietinhoff wrote: Drummer from orchestra plays his easiest sounds, drummer from rock band plays hardest patterns. End of story.lol thanks for your amusing post! but this one is wrong: just inform yourself, most of the patterns used in rock music are very easy to play for every drummer, besides if classical or rock education. While you're probably correct, you admit that classical percussionists require an "education that - in time - rivals that of a surgeon" whereas rock drummers only need "a basic grasp of style". Wouldn't that indicate that the percussionist could pick up rock pretty quickly, but not the other way round? And I reckon the same is true with vocals! ;) |
| cmsdrums 20.03.2009 16:04 |
I remember Rod Morgenstein (famous and respected jazz/fusion drummer from the Dixie Dregs) saying that when he joined the band Winger he really couldn't cope with a steady 4/4 type rock beat and really had to practice and practice to nail it. This goes to show that you can have all the technique in the world, but it is actually a lot harder than people think to play 'rock'. Phil Rudd from AC/DC is a great example - Im sure that he would admit to not ever really playing anything fancy or complicated, but can anyone find the groove and hold the beat like he does? Very few |
| catqueen 27.03.2009 15:35 |
I think Roger's voice is really beautiful. Maybe if you go by a checklist of what a 'good' vocalist should do he might not do as well as some, but I love his raspy voice, esp on songs like Drowse. I can't really imagine Drowse sung by anyone else, he gets the lazy, sleepy, half-nostalgic tone perfect. Even I'm in Love With My Car wouldn't have the same effect with a different voice. I've only heard Fun in Space, keep meaning to get his other solo albums, and although I know people who just about can't stand to listen to it, most of the vocals are great. Hard to tell if smoking changed his voice or not, he always sounded so raspy. Maybe it affected his speaking voice a bit, but his singing is still great, I'd just put any change down to age. |
| catqueen 27.03.2009 15:41 |
Hermes2 wrote:
Also, once you get high enough (as Roger can/could), then timbre really becomes less of an issue. For example, the high Bb5 of Bohemian Rhapsody sounds great, and is done with vibrato, which I have found makes it harder (though I may be in the minority on this). I haven't listened to very many songs where Roger sings lead in, but from what I have heard, I believe he has the technical and emotional ability associated with good singing, even if a naturally raspy voice makes it harder to convey varied emotions.
I was just looking at this thinking 'Why would being high make the quality of someone's voice less of an issue? Less of an issue to the person who's high, I understand, but that wouldn't change the quality of the recording, or make a long term difference to your opinion... then the penny dropped! :) |