SomebodyWhoLoves 25.11.2006 07:29 |
Let's settle this once and for all. Can someone please write a letter to Brian May, and ask him how he would classify Freddie's voice as either Tenor or Baritone? I am too shy to do it myself but I am very interested to know what Mr Brian May thinks! Thanks! |
Sebastian 25.11.2006 07:34 |
Dr May isn't an expert on that department. He wouldn't know more than a vocal coach, or than Montserrat Caballe. |
s.m. 25.11.2006 08:37 |
Sebastian wrote: Dr May isn't an expert on that department.like that ever stopped him before lol |
masterstroke_84 25.11.2006 09:47 |
you can ask that to a LOT of people instead of Brian May... :S |
~im a fool~ 25.11.2006 10:27 |
ill ask brian if you want me to. but only if you really want me to. |
beautifulsoup 25.11.2006 12:22 |
All that would accomplish would be to settle how *Brian* would classify Freddie's voice. |
SomebodyWhoLoves 25.11.2006 16:07 |
I really want to know what Mr Brian May thinks. If he says Freddie is a baritone, I'll change my opinion and accept Freddie as a baritone. I think Brian May is extremely qualified to answer this question definitively. Those who are more brave than I am, and are curious about this, please write to Brian May at his website, and report back! Thanks! |
Hooligan's Holiday 25.11.2006 17:00 |
I'm pretty sure that Freddie's a tenor, but hell - what do I know? 'Cause isn't baritone like REALLY low? |
deleted user 25.11.2006 18:26 |
give me his address or email. |
deleted user 25.11.2006 18:29 |
SomebodyWhoLoves wrote: I really want to know what Mr Brian May thinks. If he says Freddie is a baritone, I'll change my opinion and accept Freddie as a baritone. I think Brian May is extremely qualified to answer this question definitively. Those who are more brave than I am, and are curious about this, please write to Brian May at his website, and report back! Thanks!I would certainly write him... but... is there something about Brian I don't know ? I mean - why would he know this ? : / Sure, he heard Freddie sing, but he's not in opera or anything where he has to know/care about voice types... : I guess I'll give him a chance to surprise me... |
user name 25.11.2006 18:31 |
He's a baritenor. |
deleted user 25.11.2006 18:36 |
<font color=black>Emo Mayniac Queen wrote: I'm pretty sure that Freddie's a tenor, but hell - what do I know? 'Cause isn't baritone like REALLY low?Not really. Freddie always sang in Tenor range - because of his range... but it's not all about range. A bass is "really" deep. But a baritone is like... um... I don't know what example to give you since I don't know what music you would know ! In musical notes, the Tenor and Baritone "ranges" overlap. Just like Soprano and Mezzo-Soprano overlap. Even Soprano and Alto overlap in range... Even Soprano and Tenor overlap in range... and Soprano and Baritone... The notes are one thing... but they're not everything. :P I haven't really "decided" what I would call Freddie. But I'm leaning towards the Baritone camp... possibly because they haven't resorted to screaming fits like some people. And possibly because your low notes are something you can't really push deeper, but higher can be "pushed" (though it's not exactly good for you)... I'll stop rambling now. |
deleted user 25.11.2006 18:40 |
<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: He's a baritenor.I prefer : "Koloraturheldentenorbariton"... because it just sounds neat. :P I keep finding "Baritenor" alternatively referred to as "Baritone with an extension to X note". I was looking through examples of musical theatre roles... Hmm... Helpful. : / I will hijack this thread if I fucking well want to ! |
sparrow 21754 25.11.2006 18:53 |
ya know, brian would only have opinion. yes he was in the music buisness, but i doubt he knows much on voice class, so emailing him wont solve your problem. montserrat would know more as said in the previous thread, and no your opinion that brian would certainly know more because he knew freddie more personally would be incorrect on the true classification of freddies voice. no offence to brian or you SombodyWhoLoves i personally think he LEANS more towards tenor, with baritone abilities. |
inmydefence 25.11.2006 20:19 |
ya know, brian would only have opinion. yes he was in the music buisness, but i doubt he knows much on voice class, so emailing him wont solve your problem. montserrat would know more as said in the previous thread, and no your opinion that brian would certainly know more because he knew freddie more personally would be incorrect on the true classification of freddies voice. no offence to brian or you SombodyWhoLoves i personally think he LEANS more towards tenor, with baritone abilities. Read up!! brian and roger both knew alot about the technical side of singing, breathing techniques etc.. and were a little concerned when freddie first joined the band as to whether or not freddie fully understood the technical aspects to singing! but as you'd expect from the perfectionist freddie was, he soon learnt up! its not difficult to distinguish i baritone from a tenor if you know anything about singing! freddie was a baritone who used to push his voice to sing is a tenor range! its not uncommon! |
The Real Wizard 25.11.2006 21:09 |
<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: He's a baritenor.Aha! I KNEW you'd agree with me! But isn't baritenor kind of a slang term for being half way? I've never heard it used "officially". |
user name 25.11.2006 21:13 |
I think that his vocal range was so wide that it's stupid to classify it in the first place.
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Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Me neither. I don't even know exactly what it means, but I do believe that his vocal range encompasses both the baritone and tenor range, so I thought it would be an apt title for him.<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: He's a baritenor.Aha! I KNEW you'd agree with me! But isn't baritenor kind of a slang term for being half way? I've never heard it used "officially". |
The Real Wizard 25.11.2006 21:16 |
<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: Me neither. I don't even know exactly what it means, but I do believe that his vocal range encompasses both the baritone and tenor range, so I thought it would be an apt title for him.Yeah, that was my rationale, too. But in the end, I think it really doesn't matter - or at least, certainly not to the point of requiring all of this discussion. |
Scott_Mercury 25.11.2006 21:23 |
Although his speaking voice naturally fell in the baritone range, his singing voice was that of a tenor. His recorded vocal range spanned nearly four octaves (falsetto included), with his lowest recorded note being the F below the bass clef and his highest recorded note being the D that lies nearly four octaves above. In addition to vocal range, Mercury often delivered technically difficult songs in a powerful manner. However, due in part to the fact that he suffered from vocal nodules (for which he declined surgery), he would often lower the highest notes during many concerts. Mercury also claimed that he never had any formal vocal training. |
deleted user 25.11.2006 21:32 |
I think ... as a general opinion - that the very extremes of his voice - especially on the upper end were kinda one-off things. I mean... he couldn't just write Soprano Cs and Ds in there all over the place, even in the studio... they just weren't reliable. :/ And... on a side note, a Baritenor: "Baritenor" is a slang word describing a male voice whose tessitura lies between the baritone and the tenor. The word is frequently used to describe one of the most common male musical vocal types, rather a pop singer than a true operatic baritone with an upward extension into tenor territority and with a baritonal quality. Sounds pretty good to me. :\ |
~im a fool~ 25.11.2006 21:42 |
i just emailed brian may on the topic. you can also email him at: brians.soapbox@clara.co.uk good luck! |
unknown 26.11.2006 02:36 |
im a fool wrote: i just emailed brian may on the topic. you can also email him at: brians.soapbox@clara.co.uk good luck!I emailed him already, but that was quite a while ago when this topic reocurred again... but he did not reply. I am sad that some of you do not believe the opinions of fully classically trained singers like Monserrat Caballé, since 'right' singing and any kind of art is based on classic. |
rosedewitt 26.11.2006 05:40 |
<b><font color=B22222>daria k. wrote:very well said!im a fool wrote: i just emailed brian may on the topic. you can also email him at: brians.soapbox@clara.co.uk good luck!I emailed him already, but that was quite a while ago when this topic reocurred again... but he did not reply. I am sad that some of you do not believe the opinions of fully classically trained singers like Monserrat Caballé, since 'right' singing and any kind of art is based on classic. i would say freddie has a tenor voice and not a baritone, his speaking voice is not dark enough and his voice isn't so "full" on the low tones to call him a baritone (sorry but it's very difficult for me to describe that in english...). and i doubt it seriously that you hear a professionell opinion from brian may about freddies voice. i wouldn't say he's a "koloraturheldenbariton", his voice is not sharp enough for that. i think he's a tenor with a large amplitude on the voice. |
SomebodyWhoLoves 26.11.2006 05:48 |
Rosedewitt: Do you realize that you are disagreeing with "daria k" by stating your opinion that Freddie had a tenor voice? "daria k" has stated in the past that only a classically trained singer like Monserrat Caballe is qualified to classify Freddie Mercury's voice. Monserrat has classified Freddie Mercury's voice as a baritone. On the contrary, I believe that Brian May, Roger Taylor, and John Deacon are more qualified than Monserrat to know Freddie's voice best, since they have spent 20+ years recording, writing, performing with him. Not only that, but they are also brilliant musicians, songwriters, and vocalists. They are the ones who know Freddie's voice the best. And I believe that they will all unanimously state that Freddie was a TENOR without question. A baritone voice could not have sung Bohemian Rhapsody, White Queen, March of the Black Queen, Save Me, or other countless Queen songs that were written for a Tenor voice. I hope that Brian May can clear this up, and will respond to the questions raised. |
rosedewitt 26.11.2006 06:00 |
yes i agree with you that the others from queen maybe knew his voice best because they heard it so often, but they are not professionell singers and can say anything professionell about freddies voice, only how it sounded to them or how they felt when they heard it, you know, only personal opinions. well i guess freddie didn't care what kind of voice he had, he just sang what he could sing and didn't think while composing or singing "hummmm when i am a baritone, i have to change that because a baritone can't sing that...". well i can live with my disagreement with daria k. and don't care that our opinions on freddies voice are different :) |
Drowse1 26.11.2006 07:29 |
My late father was a very good tenor singer and I wouldn't say Freddie was anything like that type of voice. Also, baritone is a deeper voice than tenor and Freddie didn't have that type of voice either so I would say he wasn't either. By the way, my dad, a big fan of operatic music, hated rock n roll but even he thought Freddie had a great singing voice. Unfortunately he thought Freddie wasted it singing "That type of rubbish"!!! |
SomebodyWhoLoves 26.11.2006 07:53 |
Drowse1 wrote: My late father was a very good tenor singer and I wouldn't say Freddie was anything like that type of voice. Also, baritone is a deeper voice than tenor and Freddie didn't have that type of voice either so I would say he wasn't either. By the way, my dad, a big fan of operatic music, hated rock n roll but even he thought Freddie had a great singing voice. Unfortunately he thought Freddie wasted it singing "That type of rubbish"!!!Um..so what are you saying exactly? Do you think Freddie is a tenor or baritone? |
rosedewitt 26.11.2006 08:35 |
you can't say it so straight like you can say in classical singing. the rock-/popsingers can't be put in order in such categories soprano, alto, tenor and bass because the technique and the compositions are different. you can't say britney spears is a soprano or alto, her voice is neither nor, her technique is belting. the same you can say with freddies voice, the way he sang is not the classical way of singing. if freddie would have done a classical singing education he probably would have sing tenor because his voice was quite bright and his speaking voice also not dark, - but you can't be sure because the voice can change during the education. |
Donna13 26.11.2006 09:37 |
I agree it just doesn't matter for the rock music singer. I would only guess that at some point Freddie may have actually discussed it with Brian, especially during his Barcelona project and his excitement over getting to work with his favorite opera star. |
SomebodyWhoLoves 26.11.2006 10:42 |
No no no. It does matter. Even in pop/rock, there are tenor, baritone, and bass voices. A voice is a voice, whether it is rock, pop, or opera. And therefore, you can classify rock/pop voices as either Tenor, Baritone, Bass, Sprano, or Alto. For example, Madonna is an Alto. Britney Spears is an Alto. Mariah Carey is a Soprano. A good example of a baritone in pop/rock is Harry Connick Jr. Freddie Mercury is in my opinion, a tenor. |
unknown 26.11.2006 10:51 |
SomebodyWhoLoves wrote: Rosedewitt: Do you realize that you are disagreeing with "daria k" by stating your opinion that Freddie had a tenor voice? "daria k" has stated in the past that only a classically trained singer like Monserrat Caballe is qualified to classify Freddie Mercury's voice. Monserrat has classified Freddie Mercury's voice as a baritone. On the contrary, I believe that Brian May, Roger Taylor, and John Deacon are more qualified than Monserrat to know Freddie's voice best, since they have spent 20+ years recording, writing, performing with him. Not only that, but they are also brilliant musicians, songwriters, and vocalists. They are the ones who know Freddie's voice the best. And I believe that they will all unanimously state that Freddie was a TENOR without question. A baritone voice could not have sung Bohemian Rhapsody, White Queen, March of the Black Queen, Save Me, or other countless Queen songs that were written for a Tenor voice. I hope that Brian May can clear this up, and will respond to the questions raised.Every baritone can try sing Bohemian Rhapsody, White Queen etc. with falcetto/'head voice' - but than the question would occur: 'Will it be the SAME Bohemian Rhapsody'... It is true: like rosedewitt said, it is seems absurd to classify Freddie's voice because he wasn't an opera singer. But if he would have been an opera singer and trained for it, he would be a baritone, because his speaking voice had the colour of a baritone's one; I'd like to mention that I have vocal lessons, my parents are both opera singers and my father vocal teacher; my mother sang with Luciano Pavarotti, Placido Domingo, José Carreras, she met Montserrat Caballé once, she is very famous in Japan, Russia and Ukraine and famous in Europe; here is her website: link. If my parents say Freddie was a baritone - are they wrong? I don't like to argue - I am a person who likes 'peace' -, but I hope very much this problem will be resolved. It is a great pity that Brian did not answer me; it is likely that he will not answer at all - or maybe only, if everybody of us writes to him... But if he will not write back, then there will be the question: how this problem can be resolved? |
SomebodyWhoLoves 26.11.2006 11:13 |
<b><font color=B22222>daria k. wrote:Freddie's speaking voice much like his singing voice changed from decade to decade.SomebodyWhoLoves wrote: Rosedewitt: Do you realize that you are disagreeing with "daria k" by stating your opinion that Freddie had a tenor voice? "daria k" has stated in the past that only a classically trained singer like Monserrat Caballe is qualified to classify Freddie Mercury's voice. Monserrat has classified Freddie Mercury's voice as a baritone. On the contrary, I believe that Brian May, Roger Taylor, and John Deacon are more qualified than Monserrat to know Freddie's voice best, since they have spent 20+ years recording, writing, performing with him. Not only that, but they are also brilliant musicians, songwriters, and vocalists. They are the ones who know Freddie's voice the best. And I believe that they will all unanimously state that Freddie was a TENOR without question. A baritone voice could not have sung Bohemian Rhapsody, White Queen, March of the Black Queen, Save Me, or other countless Queen songs that were written for a Tenor voice. I hope that Brian May can clear this up, and will respond to the questions raised.Every baritone can try sing Bohemian Rhapsody, White Queen etc. with falcetto/'head voice' - but than the question would occur: 'Will it be the SAME Bohemian Rhapsody'... It is true: like rosedewitt said, it is seems absurd to classify Freddie's voice because he wasn't an opera singer. But if he would have been an opera singer and trained for it, he would be a baritone, because his speaking voice had the colour of a baritone's one; I'd like to mention that I have vocal lessons, my parents are both opera singers and my father vocal teacher; my mother sang with Luciano Pavarotti, Placido Domingo, José Carreras, she met Montserrat Caballé once, she is very famous in Japan, Russia and Ukraine and famous in Europe; here is her website: link. If my parents say Freddie was a baritone - are they wrong? I don't like to argue - I am a person who likes 'peace' -, but I hope very much this problem will be resolved. It is a great pity that Brian did not answer me; it is likely that he will not answer at all - or maybe only, if everybody of us writes to him... But if he will not write back, then there will be the question: how this problem can be resolved? Your parents most likely listened to the 80s Freddie, when his voice color did change, and sounded deeper. But if you listen to Freddie speak AND sing in the 70s, he had a tenor voice. And also, you can't determine a person's singing voice just by his speaking voice. The speaking and singing voice are two different voices. No baritone can sing Bohemian Rhapsody. If they are baritone, they cannot sing above middle F. Queen songs were not written for Baritones. All of their songs are written for Tenors. A Baritone like Harry Connick Jr can NEVER EVER sing a Queen song without changing the key. |
SomebodyWhoLoves 26.11.2006 11:19 |
And your parents can't possibly know enough of Freddie's voice to classify his voice. They never met Freddie, did they? They only know of his through his recorded songs, and interviews. I'm quite positive that Freddie was a Tenor. That is why I would love to hear Brian May's opinion. I think Brian would know, and please do not say that he is not qualified. Brian May is a musical genius. I think he'd know something about singing, and voices.... And I hope that everyone will keep writing to Brian May! If he doesn't respond, keep trying! Thanks! |
unknown 26.11.2006 11:20 |
I just like to say that my parents indeed listened to the 70s Freddie (music and speaking voice) and to a 1976 interview... I hope Brian will reply so we can know the final truth:) |
Poo, again 26.11.2006 12:02 |
God, this is getting lame. |
rosedewitt 26.11.2006 14:04 |
SomebodyWhoLoves wrote: No no no. It does matter. Even in pop/rock, there are tenor, baritone, and bass voices. A voice is a voice, whether it is rock, pop, or opera. And therefore, you can classify rock/pop voices as either Tenor, Baritone, Bass, Sprano, or Alto. For example, Madonna is an Alto. Britney Spears is an Alto. Mariah Carey is a Soprano. A good example of a baritone in pop/rock is Harry Connick Jr. Freddie Mercury is in my opinion, a tenor.no no you're wrong. especially at female voices you can't put them into categories, because most of the rock/pop singers are belting, that technique doesn't exist at classical singing. so when a woman is belting, like madonna, how can you say she's a soprano or alto? it's impossible. you can only guess if she would sing classical she would might be an alto, but you can't be sure. |
AndresGuazzelli 29.11.2006 22:27 |
"No baritone can sing Bohemian Rhapsody. If they are baritone, they cannot sing above middle F. Queen songs were not written for Baritones. All of their songs are written for Tenors. A Baritone like Harry Connick Jr can NEVER EVER sing a Queen song without changing the key." Nonsense. Baritones, even in operatic academic singing, can sing up to a Middle A, two notes short of a High C. A high F or High E is the top note, usually, for basses, not baritones. And I've known several baritonic voices hitting High C's, even that's not the regular tesitura. Do you sing, by any chance? Or are you just quoting (or missquoting) Wikipedia? The same way there are several types of tenors (the dramatic ones who can't sing above Middle B (one short note of the High C), to the light, lyrical tenors who can sing up to the High E or High F (and I'm talking opera here, check I Puritani or Le postillon de Lonjumeau, for High Eb's and High F's for Tenors), there are several types of baritones. Those who can sing down to a low G or low F#, and those who can sing up to an High A, and those, my friend, are the most common baritones, from Low A to High A, but with a slightly darker tone and vocal colour than tenors) Most baritones cant sing those songs, LIKE a true tenor would, but no tenor could sing Bo Rhap's low harmonies, Ride the Wild Wind, or Slightly Mad like a true baritone would. |
SomebodyWhoLoves 30.11.2006 12:29 |
Nonsense? IT is NOT nonsense. Some baritones may be able to hit the A below High C, but Freddie in the 70s can hit C easily. No Baritone can sing Bohemian Rhapsody like Freddie can. Only a lyrical tenor can, which Freddie was. No Baritone can sing White Queen, Black Queen or any of the 70's Queen Songs like Freddie did. Because Freddie is not a Baritone. Unless you can find the average Baritone who can hit an A, then you are also wrong about the average Baritone Range. Baritones generally sing up to an F. An exception here or there, doesn't count. Why do you people insist on calling Freddie a Baritone? |
teleman 30.11.2006 14:20 |
I'd say he was more a tenor but really who cares. He was a gifted singer with less than stellar technique. If he had been a trained singer than the answer would be clearer but he wasn't. At least he was talented enough to leave us with rock/pop songs sung by a voice almost unrivalled in rock/pop music. |
AndresGuazzelli 30.11.2006 15:18 |
SomebodyWhoLoves wrote: Nonsense? IT is NOT nonsense. Some baritones may be able to hit the A below High C, but Freddie in the 70s can hit C easily. No Baritone can sing Bohemian Rhapsody like Freddie can. Only a lyrical tenor can, which Freddie was. No Baritone can sing White Queen, Black Queen or any of the 70's Queen Songs like Freddie did. Because Freddie is not a Baritone. Unless you can find the average Baritone who can hit an A, then you are also wrong about the average Baritone Range. Baritones generally sing up to an F. An exception here or there, doesn't count. Why do you people insist on calling Freddie a Baritone?Only darker baritones, so called bassbaritons, can sing up to a F. Most Baritones, with the proper technique, sing up to an Ab and A. Those are the rule, not the exception. You believe he wasn't a baritone, because you don't seem to understand the baritonic voice. Middle F is the top note for Basses and Bassbaritons, not Baritones. |
Legy 30.11.2006 15:33 |
I prefer Bariten. I've email Brian about this a few weeks ago, just to get his opinion, he hasn't replied yet. You can tell Freddie's a Baritone by listening to his LIVE performances, not by albums. I'm a baritone, and I can sing BoRhap. Not Freddie-like, but I can easily hit the same notes. |
M a t i a s M a y 30.11.2006 15:44 |
RANGE = TENOR VOICE = TENOR THAT'S ALL FUCK OFF |
sparrow 21754 30.11.2006 18:47 |
M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote: RANGE = TENOR VOICE = TENOR THAT'S ALL FUCK OFFsomebody doesnt want freddie to be a baritone ;-P |
M a t i a s M a y 30.11.2006 23:27 |
he is a tenor, that's it! |
beautifulsoup 30.11.2006 23:35 |
I hope Brian never answers this question. XD |
john bodega 01.12.2006 00:25 |
Would it be a bad time to ask what kind of voice Paul Rodgers has? |
beautifulsoup 01.12.2006 00:54 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Would it be a bad time to ask what kind of voice Paul Rodgers has?Stop making me laugh! Do you mean is too late to ask in this forum or is it too late for someone to ask *Brian* about what kind of voice PR has? |
AmeriQueen 01.12.2006 03:16 |
I don't care about which answer is correct because it doesn't really say anything. I think I heard before that he's a tenor. That being said, and if it's true, do you then find him properly categorized? Are there other tenors that you would suddenly see sharing a common voice with Freddie? Whatever he is, his voice goes beyond all others of the same classification. After all... He's Freddie Mercury. Even his speaking voice gives me chills. It's totally unique, fully developed, and no technical classification is going to stick with me in identifying Mercury's perfect voice. |
Legy 01.12.2006 09:49 |
AmeriQueen, that's one of the best replies on this thread. Thank you. |
sparrow 21754 01.12.2006 12:17 |
AmeriQueen wrote: I don't care about which answer is correct because it doesn't really say anything. I think I heard before that he's a tenor. That being said, and if it's true, do you then find him properly categorized? Are there other tenors that you would suddenly see sharing a common voice with Freddie? Whatever he is, his voice goes beyond all others of the same classification. After all... He's Freddie Mercury. Even his speaking voice gives me chills. It's totally unique, fully developed, and no technical classification is going to stick with me in identifying Mercury's perfect voice.thats what i said only you said it better lol |
Legy 01.12.2006 13:16 |
Yeah Sparrow, I forgot about your post. |