| YourValentine 21.11.2006 07:31 |
Hi folks, we all have a feeling that the QZ forums are not what they should be to put it mildly. I have been thinking about reasons why the forums lost their easy going, slightly crazy and chaotic but still funny and entertaining atmosphere it used to have. I don't want to blame individiual people, just point out some issues I noticed and most of all I want to ask you to turn around the direction and make QZ what it used to be: the funniest, craziest but nicest Queen community. Here are some problems: - the trolls: I recently posted a link to a website explaining trolls and what makes them tick. However, trolls are not the main problem in my opinion - lack of respect and egotism: we have loads of posts telling us that the topic starter just cut his/her nails and is brushing their teeth now. How intersting! And how thoughtless to clog the board with such useless crap. Lack of respect is also using some English-like short speak which is hard to follow by non-English speakers. Of course, it's also lack of respect to call other users a name because they disagree on an issue. - name changes and taking fights to the boards. We have users who change their nicks every week and are only known to their MSN or myspace friends. They create acommunity within the community excluding non- MSN users and non-myspavce users. They actually slowly destroy the community by alienating regualr forum users who visit the forum and do not know a single user. Also, there are a lot of fights taken on the forum which originate in MSN or myspace, where they should stay in my opinion. - bullying. Lately we have a lot of bullying topics when users start threads about other users telling the QZ community about some alleged misbehaviour - often in combination with the above because the alleged misbehaviour often occurs on MSN or myspace. Regular users do not care if user A has received an unwanted email by user B. -laziness and uninteresting topics. Many topic starters want to discuss an issue but they do not really start it. Often the initial post just contains a link to a news article or a youtube video and no real discussion develops because people just answer with basic comments like "Hahah" "I saw that already on site xyz" and other very basic comments. Also the fantasy of some users is limited to ever reposting the "Queenie above you" threads. Apparently, there are a lot of fights within these threads which are not noticed by users who never open. them (like me) - the mass exodus of regulars. As a result of all the above many regular Queenzoners have stopped posting and I ask them to reclaim the board as we used to do in similar situations. There are more problems but I only want to start a discussion and invite all users to help improving the boards. Please post your ideas and maybe tell us how you want to contribute to make the boards better. Here is what I will do: I'll delete all trolls as soon as I spot them and if they return I'll take legal action. If someone opens a 4th or 5th account with the same old annoying behaviour, he will be deleted. I will also delete all bully posts as described above. If you have a personal fight with another user, use emails or instant message programmes but not Queenzone to fight your fights. I will do that to give the good people of QZ a chance to rebuild the community, not because I have nothing better to do with my time or am on a power trip. To do something positive I'll start a new thread to get to know all the name changers I really do not know but might be worth knowing. |
| Serry... 21.11.2006 07:44 |
No profile changes more than one time at month, no signatures longer than 50 symbols, no nicknames' changes more than one time a month, no overquoting and let's hang someone in the end! Serry, QZer since January 17th 2002 |
| eenaweena 21.11.2006 07:50 |
hm... i'm so sorry. i feel guilty for posting some of the useless threads, and for posting at fight threads. i think that to avoid more fights... i don't know. fights can't really be avoided. as for the trolls, don't give them any more chances. the 5th should porbably be the last. :) once again, i apologize for my misbehavior. |
| AspiringPhilosophe 21.11.2006 11:14 |
All good ideas, Barb. I have to say, even though I haven't really been in the QZ community for long, I've noticed a change just from May of 05, when I joined, to now. A lot of junk and random crap is being posted all over the place, and I know I definately don't come onto this website as much as I did when I started here...to quote a good friend of mine from here, it's a bit like picking through a garbage can, trying to find good things and good threads to reply to. I'm doing about the only thing I can do...starting threads I think are interesting and are giving people things to talk about, having healthy and respectful debates with people, and for the most part not bothering with some of the random threads posted by others. I wish there was more I could do, but I don't think there is. |
| Haystacks Calhoun II 21.11.2006 11:17 |
Bring Back Baer!!!!!! At least when he spammed the joint, it was funny. |
| Mr.Jingles 21.11.2006 12:12 |
YourValentine wrote: - lack of respect and egotism - name changes and taking fights to the boards. - bullying.Now, that is just a bunch of bullshit. JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP BEFORE I GO THERE AND BEAT THE SHIT OUTTA YA! >:-P |
| Lisser 21.11.2006 12:26 |
Thanks Barb! I'll do my part. I would love it if people were not allowed to change their nicknames without approval from you or Richard first. I have no clue who anyone is anymore and I feel like some people don't want others to know who they are so they can behave like trolls. Apart from the changing nicknames everyday, I can live with/sort through the rest of the shit. ;) |
| PieterMC 21.11.2006 12:30 |
I would just stop people changing their nicknames. |
| Micrówave 21.11.2006 12:40 |
Here are 4 things I think could help weed thru the troublemakers. 1. Institute an IQ test. Select 3-4 good QZ members to submit a 10 question common-sense test. Not stuff you can look up on the internet, but questions that will determite your idiocy. Allow a little latitude for some... 2. A new forum section: Queenzone Daycare. A place you could move topics and lunacy created by said whipper-snappers. Maybe after seeing all their threads in "time-out", they'll get the hint. 3. Change the usernames yourself, Barb. If my ID name keeps changing to "Waste of Time #37", I'd take the hint. 4. Institute "English" as the official language of Queenzone. If you wanna talk to someone in Farsi, Spanish, Dutch or whatever, get an MSN account... a cell phone... a piece of paper and a stamp... |
| Freya is quietly judging you. 21.11.2006 12:44 |
I don't know where to start.. Personally, I think some people on this forum need to pace themselves with the amount they post. Having been here a little over a year myself, when I look at my post count I think I’ve over-posted, but there are some who’ve been here little over a couple of months and their post counts are nearly double mine. I have nothing against this. However, I think people should think before they post replies that just say 'LOL' or 'XD'. I feel that after the second 'Queenie above you' thread the whole idea started to wear a bit thin. I know I am occasionally guilty of posting in it but I know it isn’t an interesting thread. It contains nothing of interest to those who aren't directly involved in it. I'm not quite sure what to do to better this situation, other than giving a limit to how many new 'Queenie Above You' threads are allowed to be posted per month, because at present they’re getting through about 2 per week. I also know that many of those who use this thread as a chat topic talk on MSN anyway, which makes it all the more pointless. I also think it should be made clear somewhere on the forum that it is unacceptable to use shorthand English because even as a native English speaker, I spend a while translating it, so for those who don't speak English well, it must be nearly impossible. I think people should also respect each other's views. I have often seen a relatively tame discussion turn into an exchange of swearing and name calling after somebody has decided they don't agree with what someone has said. So, what I'm saying is that I think that some on here need to have a more mature attitude instead of calling somebody 'stupid' because they don't share the same views. Just looking at the Personal section now, on the first page I can see about 8 of what I would describe useless topics. Appreciation threads.. Threads people have started by mistake that people have posted on anyway.. Threads full of utter nonsense.. But the pinnacle of uselessness is the 'Queenie Above You Thread' .. There is no logic to it.. If you were walking down a street you wouldn't comment on the person in front of you, it's stupid. I know I'm sometimes guilty of posting utter crap but I try to keep most of my stupidity in my blog and I suggest those who feel the need to post what they've had for lunch, on Queen Zone get a blog (or, preferably, a life..), and those who post repeatedly on 'The Queenie Above You Thread', keep it to MSN. Anyway, what ever happened to the 'Nonsense Forum' idea? |
| beautifulsoup 21.11.2006 12:55 |
Serry... I agree with you totally on the overquoting issue. But I didn't want to quote you on order to say that. ;) (I'm being serious, though. I do agree). |
| YourValentine 21.11.2006 12:55 |
The thing is: it's not against the rules to change the nicknames. Some old timers regularly change their nicks but maybe once a year and not once a week. I really want to do my share but I cannot save the board if the users do not apply the tiniest common sense and courtesy. I hope that the name changers introduce themselves in my other thread and keep their names for a while so we have a chance to get to know each other. The anonymity promotes the troll-dom and people do not feel responsible for the damage they do to the QZ community. I am sure that most of the newer users do not realise this and we need to explain it to them. Of course, there is a percentage of bullies and idiots who cannot be reached but a healthy community can tolerate them. Actually, I am already afraid that I am surpassing the attention span of some users... Starting interesting threads and patiently explaining rules to people will sure help. |
| YourValentine 21.11.2006 13:05 |
@ Poppy - the nonsense forum is not off the table but Richard has not responded to the idea. I suppose he wants us to sort out the problems ourselves. He did create the blogs to take some of the personal topics off the forums and give people another place to rant. But did it help? Not really I have to say. Baby sitting is not the solution, it's more about appealing to the community and maybe really get rid of those who spoil the fun for the rest of us. I am still convinced that a lot of the problems are created by people who have no idea they are causing a problem. The "Queenie above you" threads do not bother me that much because it HAS to get boring after a while. I never open them, it's easy to ignore them. The people who post there at least open new threads and do not create 400 pages which would probably be easy. |
| carboengine 21.11.2006 13:29 |
I would encourage Queenzoners to use as long a description as possible in the subject line so a quick glance would tell the viewer if the subject might be of interest to them. Think of it as a newspaper (not a headline, but a subheadline.) For instance, on 9-11, one of our newspaper's headline was in huge, bold, thick print: UNBELIEVABLE! The subheadline was something like: Terrorists strike New York City and Washington D.C. with four hijacked planes. I see for this Forum Personal category there is one sticky, and it is about a chat room. How about adding three stickies (all the same or change them occasionally) to each Forum category with a subject line that reminds users on how to conduct themselves on the board. The user would probably not actually click on the sticky; however, if so done, there would be an explanation of the subject line. I am thinking that the sticky subject lines would be more like affirmations, or positive thinking, or even good "brainwashing." Quick reminders. Such as: . Respect other's opinions as you express your own. . Caution: There are children onboard. Please use age-appropriate language. . Use full English as best as you can. . Queenzone.com is free to all users. You are a welcome guest. . You are unique, and you are posting to the world. Let the world get to know you. . YouTube links: Please tell us in a few words or sentences what it is about. . Monitor yourself online. No matter what your age, you are mature enough. . Self-moderation is the answer. Even though users would skip looking at the stickies, the eyes and brain register things subconsciously that we are not even aware of. I would think two or three stickies per Forum category would be enough. Perhaps you could try this in the Personal category and see if you get any positive results over time. P.S. I kind of like the general comments such as "haha." It shows appreciation for the initiator and/or those who reply. Also, it keeps an amusing , interesting, or noteworthy subject alive and on page 1. (I usually only look on page 1 and 2.) I think a "youtube" link would be much better if it was accompanied with a description so the viewer doesn't waste time looking at something s/he has seen before. I love youtube! |
| Ale Solan 21.11.2006 13:40 |
I'm glad to see you're finally "accepting" new people Barbara. And I really hope you finally realized how exactly was my situation about leaving QZ - THE REASONS - why I did it. I hope your initiative to "improve" the general behavior here gives FINALLY results. Maybe you people are right about the nicknames changing, how often, etc etc etc and blah blah blah, but... what I always thought that it would do a mayor improvement to the already devastated site and forum in general is stopping spammers, trolls (I hope you finally really know the meaning of that word thanks to that QOL post Barbara) and others by deleting their aggressive posts. I assume you always thought that was censorship - "censorship" in its vainest meaning since we're talking about a forum, not a scientific discussion magazine talking about Nobel awards nominees - no-one is gonna sue you or Richard if you delete a post made by an idiot who only wants to fight; OR if you're really worried about the site's visitors traffic and popularity but keeping the worthwhile people around and kicking the useless morons out, that's okay too Barbara. That's all we all ever wanted, posting an interesting subject or comment regularly here and there without having a post below yours insulting you just because you think different that person (ThomasQuinn's syndrome) That should be the final solution for a better "community": deleting the idiots and bullyiers and their posts. I'll stay around to watch the results. If you manage to handle the site and bring it to better times like 6 or 7 years ago, I'll recover the respect I had for you Barb. I wish you all the best in this tough job of cleaning QZ up and make it the nice place it used to be for some of us. |
| AC 21.11.2006 13:43 |
I'll try to do my part. |
| Lester Burnham 21.11.2006 13:53 |
I posted about this a few months ago, titled "A Modest Proposal", which people saw as typical idiocy on my part instead of what it was meant to be: satire. I certainly don't remember what it was about, and I have no intention of searching for it, but just observing this board recently, I do see that it's turned into a virtual chatroom with oversexed people (guys and girls, teenagers and young adults, etc.) going on about how lonely and/or horny they are. Why does this need to be posted on the board? There are so many other outlets - including a chat room, blogs, emails, and messanger programs - where people can flirt relentlessly and not clutter up the board with their useless crap. Also, I find the "Queenie Above You - Electric Boogaloo" threads to be useless, even though I never click on them; I guess I'm just questioning their existence in general. Yes, the Personal Section is stated as saying "To post whatever you like" or something along those lines, but why can't we have another subforum - like we have General Queen Discussion and Serious Queen Discussion, why not have a General Personal Forum and a Serious Personal Forum? And how about a Queenzoners forum, where users can introduce themselves and hold polls, threads about personal things, etc.? I think the Personal forum is far too broad; a major reconstruction with some new subforums added would be the most logical solution, I think. edit: maybe an idea would be to structure the forums as such: QUEEN - General Discussion - Serious Discussion - Q+PR SHARING THE MUSIC - Announce - Request - Fan Mixes PERSONAL - Introduction - General Discussion - Serious Discussion - About QZers QUEENZONE - Announcements - News - FAQ something like that? |
| Serry... 21.11.2006 14:04 |
Lester Burnham wrote: I posted about this a few months ago, titled "A Modest Proposal" I have no intention of searching for itI have. link |
| Lester Burnham 21.11.2006 14:07 |
Serry... wrote:I knew I could count on you :) Do you have these things bookmarked or are you just incredibly quick with searches?Lester Burnham wrote: I posted about this a few months ago, titled "A Modest Proposal" I have no intention of searching for itI have. link |
| Ale Solan 21.11.2006 14:21 |
Russian people is quick for everything except to kick Putin outta there. |
| YourValentine 21.11.2006 14:35 |
@ Alex Solan - the last thing I need is your respect. Who do you think you are? You are a spammer and a troll with at least 3 different accounts. You have had insulting nicknames like "pussy lover " and "Jenny Talia" and you registered aliases through proxy servers to hide your identity. You spammed the board to blackmail me into deleting your account when all you had to do was staying away or complaining to the website owner if you were not happy about the forum. You re-appeared with other user names to continue posting. You are offensive and insulting and probably the most self righteous and double standard person I ever encountered. On any other website you would have been banned for life a long time ago. So please spare me your hypocritical and patronising attitude. I don't give a toss what you think about me and what I do on this website. Before I need your respect I rather shoot myself. @Lester - I'll ask Richard about another forum structure, it might help. But it's up to the users mostly. |
| bitesthedust 21.11.2006 14:39 |
How about this? Create a new forum called "Media" - where people can have serious, mature discussion about music, films, television, radio, news, books etc etc. Some people (including myself) have attempted to create Album discussion topics, so it could be worth a go? |
| PieterMC 21.11.2006 14:46 |
For one thing I think it would be easier to maintain a board if something along the lines of PHPBB was used. There are too many quirks and ways to hack this board. |
| Lester Burnham 21.11.2006 14:50 |
YourValentine wrote: @Lester - I'll ask Richard about another forum structure, it might help. But it's up to the users mostly.Oh, I agree that it's up to the users, but I just think that the current structure is a bit too broad, and that if a new structure was implemented that was a bit more specific (but not TOO specific!), everything would gradually fall into place. |
| carboengine 21.11.2006 14:59 |
Does anyone else find it painfully slow to type in words to this message area? It is like molasses in January. Oh, I just noticed the word "Messsage:" has one too many "s's" in it. thanks. |
| Ale Solan 21.11.2006 15:26 |
YourValentine wrote: @ Alex Solan - the last thing I need is your respect. Who do you think you are? You are a spammer and a troll with at least 3 different accounts. You have had insulting nicknames like "pussy lover " and "Jenny Talia" and you registered aliases through proxy servers to hide your identity. You spammed the board to blackmail me into deleting your account when all you had to do was staying away or complaining to the website owner if you were not happy about the forum. You re-appeared with other user names to continue posting. You are offensive and insulting and probably the most self righteous and double standard person I ever encountered. On any other website you would have been banned for life a long time ago. So please spare me your hypocritical and patronising attitude. I don't give a toss what you think about me and what I do on this website. Before I need your respect I rather shoot myself.Predictable from you Barbara, such a shame. And your post is full of lies: proxy servers, blackmailing... you're a sad person. Good luck with your cruzade, I'm gonna watch this stupid site sink in your arrogance, misinformation and mobster attitudes. |
| PieterMC 21.11.2006 15:43 |
Alex Solan wrote: I'm gonna watch this stupid site sink in your arrogance, misinformation and mobster attitudes.Can't be too stupid for you to waste your time posting here. |
| iron eagle 21.11.2006 19:13 |
you know as the elder of this here zone i long for the days of old when lasting friendships were made on the boards and chat-- then came those darn queen rockers *LOL* the board is what we make it--- if it is full of cynisim, meaness, and spam --it is because we all accpet that and the persons behaviour seems civility, being nice, and treating others the way you want to be treated has gone out the window unless everyone says--hey not here-cool it folks i am quite grateful to the family here that i know outside the 'net' -from conventions, to concert parking lots, to icq, aim to emails- at the end of the day--the zone is still a special place-- i wish more people here saw that and believed that-- its gotten a bad rep though--and some revel in that rep-- i dont we do need to monitor ourselfs, and take responsiblity for our words and actions and treat people whether new or old decently if we commit to that-- the board will thrive and be a place where people will want to be and to take part in |
| AspiringPhilosophe 21.11.2006 21:36 |
iron eagle wrote: you know as the elder of this here zone i long for the days of old when lasting friendships were made on the boards and chat-- then came those darn queen rockers *LOL* the board is what we make it--- if it is full of cynisim, meaness, and spam --it is because we all accpet that and the persons behaviour seems civility, being nice, and treating others the way you want to be treated has gone out the window unless everyone says--hey not here-cool it folks i am quite grateful to the family here that i know outside the 'net' -from conventions, to concert parking lots, to icq, aim to emails- at the end of the day--the zone is still a special place-- i wish more people here saw that and believed that-- its gotten a bad rep though--and some revel in that rep-- i dont we do need to monitor ourselfs, and take responsiblity for our words and actions and treat people whether new or old decently if we commit to that-- the board will thrive and be a place where people will want to be and to take part inBravo! Just what I was thinking! One of the reasons I joined this place in the first place was to try and connect with new friends, and people who have an appreciation for Queen (since most of the people I've physically met look at me like I'm a freak for liking them or something like that). I have to admit I've found some good friends, and some people who will impact me the rest of my life, and I hope to maintain contact with. However, I haven't met as many as I hoped, and talking to the ones I have met I've found that there are many more people on the boards like me out there, but I can't find them for talk outside QZ. Either no one here uses MSN or they just don't come here often. The kids who are ruining the boards need to be told that their behavior won't be tolerated, or they will continue to do that. If they don't respond that way, then the statement needs to be followed up with action (like deleting the account). I wish the serious QZ's would come back...I'd really like to talk with some of them. |
| user name 21.11.2006 22:29 |
1) Alex Solan is indeed a failure utterly destitute of any iota of intelligence, whose deleterious idiocy has been a constant scourge of QZ in past years. 2) I believe that unwanted threads should simply be deleted at a whim, rather than seeking out those who constantly post them and deleting their accounts. For instance, if a large number of people post a small quantity of useless threads each, it can add up to be quite a nuisance. In that case, I do not believe anyone would be worthy of having their account deleted, but it can be generally agreed that the threads should go. It will also dissuade people from taking the long, dark, winding road to trolldom, as their threads are all being deleted, and their effect diminished. 3) PHPBB would be a wonderful idea, but it seems that would require a complete revamp of our forums, and it's not very common to see a non PHPBB around these days. However, some functions might be useful: the lock command; ease of moderation; greater reliability (posts within threads will maintain their order, searches will work better and more efficiently, profiles will work better and will be easier to edit); name changes can be restricted; etc. 4) A nonsense forum may be effective, but it will always be a dark cloud that looms over Queenzone. Perhaps a nonsense forum where all threads are locked, as to provide an example of what NOT to do, would be in order. I certainly would hate to see people frequenting the nonsense forum. Edit: 5) Use of correct English grammar, punctuation, and spelling by those who are able...FANTASTIC IDEA. We should even have a moderator whose sole purpose is replacing all senseless posts with "Please revise" messages. |
| KillerQueen840 21.11.2006 22:43 |
I'm not sure if there is already one, but perhaps make some sort of a policy that you need to read and sign "I have read and agree to the following terms" before you join? I realize this won't take care of present trolls, and perhaps won't even prevent some from joining, but maybe it'd be helpful in some way. Maybe it'll be a fair warning, and that way you won't have to tell people you're going to give them a warning before you kick them off. All you'd have to do is tell them they violated the policy and are being banned. That's all I can think of. :-/ |
| Crezchi 21.11.2006 23:17 |
I know i haven't been here very long, and i rarely post anymore, but i can see the problem here. There are certain people who just stick by certain people who have been around here for awhile, while trashing the newer members. Just because you have been on this site since 1997, does NOT make you a better fan or some Queen Diplomatic! We all love Queen, why not just drop the stupid shit? I have very few issues with the site, but that is one, another is 2 people trying to say i am someone who i am not. There are too many things i can do to show my support to QUeen than to sit on here and listen to everyone whine about Barb, and Greg Brooks. Fuck Greg Brooks. He is just another stupid asshole who thinks he is God just because he has a stupid ass title, big deal. I would act the same way if it were Rog or John posting here and they acted that way. Seriously, i won't take shit from anyone, you all need to learn how to act towards people, or you will be an uncivil little sorry ass low life like GB. But now that is said, let's get something more inteeractive and creative going on this site, it is sad that this site is known as a FORUM! Not as a website! |
| DreaminQueen 21.11.2006 23:47 |
CMU HistoryGirl wrote:iron eagle wrote: |
| AspiringPhilosophe 22.11.2006 00:02 |
Exactly! If this was alittle more intersting and personal (in a good way, like connecting with people instead of random crap) I'd be more likely to come here. But with my busy schedule, I just can't find the motivation to come here most of the time. I know absolutely nothing about computers and websites and stuff (I don't even know how to made a website) so I can't give any advice on the format changes...but there are some good ideas coming from some people that do know their stuff in the tech arena. Wish I could help more, but I can't speak to something I know nothing about. |
| The prophet's song 22.11.2006 04:18 |
About what YV said about respect, I'll just point out that anyone older than me automatically has my respect. They can lose my respect but untill they do something to justify that, then there's no reason why I shouldn't respect them. I don't think it's realistic for me to get everyone else here think like this (a bit like when beauty queen's wish for world peace..hasn't happened yet), but it's just something I do. I'm not religous, I don't go to a strict school and my parents haven't brainwashed me, it's just something I've realised needs to happen after seeing what goes on without it. And I'm very sorry if I've bored you all to tears, I've just finished a three hour English exam so I'm in a writing mood. |
| Sergei. 22.11.2006 07:37 |
Sorry, YV, because I know I've done some of the useless postings. I do think, though, that I'm good about not constantly changing my nick, though I do change the subtitle sometimes, and not making any radical changes to my profile. I've also made changes about typing and spelling things out completely since I've first been here, about not putting up things like "omg" or purposely misspelled words out of laziness in courtesy of the older zoners. It's spread to my IM use now. :) Sorry if the QAYT annoy you... I think they're getting less popular... and sorry for that time there were two floating around of the same number (one of them being mine :P) Plus, I read the link on trolls, found it to be very interesting (because at first I had no idea what a troll was) but then as I read it the descriptions matched perfectly some of our lovely trolls. :P Anyways, sorry for the useless posts I might have made that annoyed you, I'll try to use my blog more often. :P Love Edgar. |
| Sergei. 22.11.2006 07:42 |
The prophet's song wrote: About what YV said about respect, I'll just point out that anyone older than me automatically has my respect. They can lose my respect but untill they do something to justify that, then there's no reason why I shouldn't respect them. I don't think it's realistic for me to get everyone else here think like this (a bit like when beauty queen's wish for world peace..hasn't happened yet), but it's just something I do. I'm not religous, I don't go to a strict school and my parents haven't brainwashed me, it's just something I've realised needs to happen after seeing what goes on without it. And I'm very sorry if I've bored you all to tears, I've just finished a three hour English exam so I'm in a writing mood.*Clap clap clap clap clap* :P I agree about the respect thing. Every older person on here has it from me until they do something to take it away. Then they've brought it upon themselves. |
| YourValentine 22.11.2006 08:02 |
Cookies - it's not about me. What annoys me is not important, I am just a user like you, only that I have access to some delete functions. It's about all Queenzone users and their right to enjoy the forums. The examples I posted are just examples - we had other "random" threads in the past and I don't think they are that harmful as long as they are not the majority. What I really like about your post and friedchicken's is that you question your own contribution on the notice board and if all users would do it we would not have a problem. It's exactly like iron_eagle said: self moderation is the answer. We are all responsible for the atmosphere we cause and if the majority of the members write infantile, abusive, careless stuff, this is exactly what we get. |
| S@turn 22.11.2006 08:05 |
good luck barb! There might be an attitude change in people who started using this board, about 10 years ago, while the people who now join have quite other intentions. I remember the fun we had, wit the M.A.D. ladies, Magic, Ming, Eagle and a few more. In that time there were far less people at the board so the board was more easy to direct and re-direct. The success of queenzone has it turn- sides. I have the idea that a lot of people come here to take the news and tracks, and further spill the time that they should spend with real life friends here, where it is sooo much easier to be an arsehole then in reality. It is unfair to tell the internetgeneration that they should use the internet the way that others want to use it, but I agree that the 'climate' of a board influences the people that attract it. There are plenty of places where you can bully and play silly games, where you can hurt people with personal attacks and so more. People here show that in a poor way, that's why it always fails and only brings up dirt. If you do things, do them good and most of all, do them at the right place Of course Queenzone is more then a place to talk about queen, but, I think, it is not unfair to have it a place in the climate of Queen, the way that Freddie and his mates spread it as well. Like friends will be friends, stop all the fighting. And I think that a lot of us, (including me) now and then sin, and make moves that they later regret, but if you can face that in a mature way, then it is not a biggie. I will definitely put more input here, when the climate changes. And I am aware that that can only happen when we show how we want to have the board, instead of playing silly games that should be done at www.kindergarden or www.moralnights |
| S@turn 22.11.2006 08:21 |
a little add, while I was thinking No matter what technique you use for the board, I think that the only way to get back to a board 'with style' is that there will be needed a time of strong moderation, strict rules and a lot of deletes. And I think that there is the crux of it all. Do you want to keep this place free for all, or do you put your limits. And if there are limits, who makes them? Richard as being Mr Queenzone? Or the Queenzone team? Or maybe a team of wise people (ern on second thought, not that team of wise people, I dont think I join ;)) |
| deleted user 22.11.2006 11:10 |
Im really glad sometihng like this has been set up because I think the time had come for it. Im only here since febuary and I can even notice a drastic change. I joined this nirvana forum a while back and before you could join you had to read the rules carefully, then you click onto the next part and they sorta give a test on the rules, I found it does work and it does make people read the rules, so maybe thats an idea that can be worked on. Maybe that could control the income of people of all ages. That'll help us distinguish who actually wants to be part of a community or not! |
| Erin 22.11.2006 11:36 |
YourValentine wrote: - the mass exodus of regulars. As a result of all the above many regular Queenzoners have stopped posting and I ask them to reclaim the board as we used to do in similar situations.**cough** :-) |
| deleted user 22.11.2006 14:00 |
I recently got somewhat accused of being a someone else's spam account, but I find this offensive since I've NEVER posted a thread with just a link or a single line about how "I'm going to the bathroom". These are the threads that bother me : Links that I don't know what they are - and that's all that's posted. I would like a description, at least, I don't WANT to go watch someone making jokes about Freddie being dead - I don't want to go watch someone "butchering" a poor dear Queen song. And I don't want to waste my time with something else equally insipid. I don't like the threads that are just, "I'm going to wash my hair". If you're drunk or high, please go do what normal people in such a situation do - call your best friend and tell them you love them, pass out, or go back to the bar and accidentally hook up with someone old enough to be your grandmother. I suppose I'm guilty of creating some "dumb" threads... Well, I would gladly move half the junk from the "Queenie Above You" threads to MSN, but the problem I found is that some of the people I want to talk to don't have MSN (not allowed by parents)and I don't know these people anywhere but here... I did create a couple threads that were jokes. But whatever I did (or will do) were more than just a single line and some actual thought went into them. And some actually had serious undertones... Any "serious" thread I've made usually just end up badly. There will be "shouting" and a fight, and people taking a question with no personal relation to them on a deep personal level. I find it hard to figure out who people are sometimes with constant name changes, and I don't see the reason - why not just pick something you can live with and keep it that way ? I joined this place this May and was impressed by the maturity, I wish I could say the same now. But I've seen people of all ages behave badly. I don't think it should be so important how old you are or ESPECIALLY when you joined the forum. I mean, someone may have been a big Queen fan for years but either didn't really use the Internet or didn't stumble here until recently. I don't see why those people should be penalised. I respect everyone until they lose that respect. Personally, I'm GLAD there are "teenagers" here interested in Queen. That's the only way Queen will continue to be heard of. Yes, I HATE Internet-slang typing, but hopefully these people can be coaxed to stop it (or if it was just in the "rules"). Maybe people could look at the younger people as an opporitunity, not a curse. Bah, humbug. |
| I♥The80's 22.11.2006 14:04 |
^CHARLES!!!! You are back!! ^And absolutely correct! |
| Deacon Fan 22.11.2006 17:34 |
Hmm, seems like harmless folks are being deleted lately. I always thought we had an 'ignore it if you don't like it' policy and folks were allowed to be somewhat weird unless they spammed. |
| Bob The Shrek 25.11.2006 09:33 |
YourValentine wrote: @ Alex Solan - the last thing I need is your respect. Who do you think you are? You are a spammer and a troll with at least 3 different accounts. You have had insulting nicknames like "pussy lover " and "Jenny Talia" and you registered aliases through proxy servers to hide your identity. You spammed the board to blackmail me into deleting your account when all you had to do was staying away or complaining to the website owner if you were not happy about the forum. You re-appeared with other user names to continue posting. You are offensive and insulting and probably the most self righteous and double standard person I ever encountered. On any other website you would have been banned for life a long time ago. So please spare me your hypocritical and patronising attitude. I don't give a toss what you think about me and what I do on this website. Before I need your respect I rather shoot myself.This is my favourite post of the year. |
| sparrow 21754 25.11.2006 12:02 |
i think we need a TRUSTWORTHY regular peacemaker (or a few anyway) ones who spot fights, try and solve them, and if theres a further problem (threats, offensive unessesary language, offensive/derogetory language, name calling, etc in return) then theres should be a kick on the antagonist. if the peacemaker were to do this they would lose their title, and if they have a problem with it they can be deleted. yeah call me a hippy i dont care. we are human and we dont have the best language most of the time (im as guilty as anyone else), but we need to keep it at a minimum, i do agree with that. and no more sick posts, no more posts with no explaination (it sucks when you click on something and it turns out to be porn with someone thinking its funny or something...) and it has been said before, if you dont like what someone has to say, either dont say anytihng or say tactfully that you disagree. name calling is unessesary, everyones opinion is different. as for freddie, we can celebrate his life when we would like. we could make a random day for him, because we love him, but dont put us down for honoring his day of death, or on any day we 'shouldnt'. i think we need more on the FAQs seeing as we see the same questions from new fans. i think a spell check would be great too, im just as guilty with the lack of punctuation or bad spelling. how many errrors did you spot in the post? ;) just a thought. maybe better wording or ideas but i thought i tried :) |
| @ndy38 26.11.2006 05:36 |
These threads are becoming more tiresome than the one's posted by the trolls. If we sit here and discuss it, argue about it and even bitch about it, nothing is going to happen or change. Although i do sympathise, these issues can be very frustrating to the good people remaining on QZ. Take action and implement some strict moderation. There's no other solution to it. As for the boring and uninteresting topics, well there's only really so much you can talk about on an internet forum, so there's no real surprise that there's 'the Queenie above you thread part 473.' You can't do much about users wanting to change user names either, it's up to the other users to click on the profiles to recognise who has posted. It's just one of those things, unless you ban them or put restrictions on changing user names then there's no solution. No matter how much you plead with these people to try and do these things, there will always be people who ignore it. |
| Brian_Mays_Wig 26.11.2006 10:51 |
Ive said it time and time again.....me and Janet spoke about it a while back on MSN, get some moderators in, just for a short time then people might realise that they have to behave or be banned. This site used to be my home page and Id spend hours a night on here and have a laugh. Now I just cannot be arsed with it. Its full of crap. There are only so many "Where is John Deacon?" and "Was Bohemian Rhapsody about AIDS" threads that you can take. I really should take a break cos it pisses me right off, but ill stick around to see if it improves. Threads were pages and pages long at one point, now id be surprised if there was 100+ posts a day on here...it used to be minutes. |
| Leaky Luke 27.11.2006 12:12 |
perhaps something that can delete a person sharing porn (no names intended) A way of moderation to make the word "fuck" f***. I have no idea if this is somehow possible, just trying to think along. EDIT: make a sticky for FAQs. I understand that there are new fans joining tremendously in the last year. But it's getting kind of annoying to the same question asked over and over again. |
| Serry... 27.11.2006 12:42 |
I have the list on three pages whom we must ban and whom hang - that's the best solution. Trust me! |
| Lester Burnham 27.11.2006 13:17 |
Serry Vietinhoff wrote: I have the list on three pages whom we must ban and whom hang - that's the best solution. Trust me!May I see this list? |
| Serry... 27.11.2006 13:41 |
Would you add it to your book? Then yes. You're not in the list, Lester, don't worry. |
| deleted user 27.11.2006 15:28 |
Can all the people that change their bloody names every few days just STOP IT ? It's really starting to get on my nerves, and I know I'm not the only one that this bothers. If you can't find a name that you can stick with for at least a week, why not use your own name ? Or a nickname and just LEAVE IT. Is it really that much to ask ? Also, I find it pretty depressing when I'm on here and the only thing that gets posted in is the "Queenie Above You" thread or just game threads. Yes, I took part in one of them, but I'm really just sick of it. If you're going to post in there, could you spread your love to other topics ? And if that's the ONLY reason you're on QueenZone - there are other places to just chat. When I first joined, I didn't know this festering bottom of "teenagers" existed. I know you're all not worthless, but the reason I joined is because this place was nice, simple, and mature. It just seems like you can't even have an intelligent conversation without some idiot coming in with all-caps and nothing to add. |
| Freya is quietly judging you. 27.11.2006 15:46 |
<font color=red>The Audacity of Charles wrote: Can all the people that change their bloody names every few days just STOP IT ? It's really starting to get on my nerves, and I know I'm not the only one that this bothers. If you can't find a name that you can stick with for at least a week, why not use your own name ? Or a nickname and just LEAVE IT. Is it really that much to ask ? Also, I find it pretty depressing when I'm on here and the only thing that gets posted in is the "Queenie Above You" thread or just game threads. Yes, I took part in one of them, but I'm really just sick of it. If you're going to post in there, could you spread your love to other topics ? And if that's the ONLY reason you're on QueenZone - there are other places to just chat. When I first joined, I didn't know this festering bottom of "teenagers" existed. I know you're all not worthless, but the reason I joined is because this place was nice, simple, and mature. It just seems like you can't even have an intelligent conversation without some idiot coming in with all-caps and nothing to add.I agree with everything you've said here. I think one of the problems is that those who use Queen Zone solely for their 'Queenie above..' purposes won't even acknowledge this thread and it's unlikely that they'll act upon what people say no matter how much it's said. Don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't like these people, but I just find 'The Queenie Above You' thread to be utterly tedious, and although it's easy to ignore these threads, it'd be nice to have a break from them for a while. |
| Gone. 27.11.2006 15:47 |
As much as I love posting on the QAYT (and I do A LOT)......I TOTALLY agree with Poppy and The Audacity Of Charles. |
| Winter Land Man 01.12.2006 06:04 |
I really like this thread, but it seems some people on this forum are still making those stupid topics... about absolutely nothing worth reading.. and it's goes on and on. I swear some of the people in the 'Personal' pages, never posted anything in the Queen Serious or General Discussion. There's too much immaturity on this forum. I think this thread should be a sticky. I also think rediculous non-sence topics should be deleted. Especially the ones that go on forever. I see a lot of new topics that are a waste. |
| john bodega 01.12.2006 07:06 |
We should ban Zebonka. |
| Lester Burnham 03.12.2006 22:47 |
Zebonka12 wrote: We should ban Zebonka.Agreed. Anyway, those who know me know I'm not much of a "bumper" (unless it's uglies), but I wanted to see if there was any progress or additional thoughts going on with some of the suggestions here? |
| Serry... 04.12.2006 00:26 |
Lester Burnham wrote: Anyway, those who know me know I'm not much of a "bumper" (unless it's uglies), but I wanted to see if there was any progress or additional thoughts going on with some of the suggestions here?There are some additional names in my list of QZers whom we must hang. |
| john bodega 04.12.2006 05:55 |
Lester Burnham wrote:Is there any way I can '3rd' my own motion??Zebonka12 wrote: We should ban Zebonka.Agreed. |
| Spiderleg Synthia 19.12.2006 10:59 |
(Bloody Christ, this thing still works!) I joined the Zone way back in 2001. I was 14 years old, with no friends, and getting bullied every day at school. As you can imagine, having a entertaining forum of people whom I had something important in common with-- even though I was never a prolific poster-- helped me tremendously. So, I'm as unhappy as anyone to see the Zone as the shit hole it is today. I agree that in order to save the Zone, unfortunately, it might well be necessary to tighten up moderation for a set period, to weed out people posting rubbish. Perhaps a "Random Shite" forum could be set up, to move such topics to? Queenzone has had bad periods in my memory, but we've managed to bounce back. |
| beautifulsoup 19.12.2006 15:44 |
Serry Vietinhoff wrote: I have the list on three pages whom we must ban and whom hang - that's the best solution. Trust me!How big are the actual pages? |
| Serry... 20.12.2006 00:39 |
beautifulsoup wrote:Still 3 pages and I use A1 paper (and I write on the both sides of it) ( link )Serry Vietinhoff wrote: I have the list on three pages whom we must ban and whom hang - that's the best solution. Trust me!How big are the actual pages? |
| bitesthedust 05.01.2007 13:35 |
I don't visit this part of Queenzone much anymore. Just look at all the garbage that has been posted on the first page...sums it all up. |